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Fifth of Scots households 'living on less than £10,000'



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Published Date: 08 August 2008
ONE in five Scottish households is having to get by on less than £10,000 a year, according to figures published yesterday.
A survey showed 21 per cent of those questioned have a four-figure net household income – the equivalent of less than £834 a month.

A further 20 per cent of households have an income of between £10,000 and £15,000, with pensioners, single parents
and single adult households the most likely to fall into the lower-income brackets.

At the other end of the scale, only 10 per cent of households have a net yearly income of more than £40,000. Separate statistics showed 41 per cent of households do not have any savings or investments.

The figures are contained in the 2007 Scottish Household Survey annual report, published yesterday by the Scottish Government. It aims to provide a snapshot of life in Scotland and an indication of various social trends.

However, the statistics also showed that almost half the population of the most deprived areas of the country still smoke, while smokers account for only one in eight of those in Scotland's affluent areas.

In the most deprived areas, 43 per cent of the population smoke, while in the least deprived areas that figure dropped to just 12 per cent.

The number of smokers in Scotland has fallen consistently since devolution. In 1999, 30.4 per cent of Scots smoked. By 2007, this had dropped to 24.7 per cent.

But while the effect of this fall has been most pronounced among the most affluent in the population, smoking rates have remained stubbornly high among the poor.

Sheila Duffy, chief executive of the anti-smoking group Ash Scotland, said more needed to be done to "narrow the gap between the haves and have-nots in our society".

She said: "The Scottish Government has signalled strong intentions to reduce smoking uptake amongst young people and improve the health of Scotland's people in the future, with the publication of the Smoking Prevention Action Plan. It must also address the health divide between our communities if Scotland is to banish its reputation as the sick man of Europe."

Richard Simpson, Labour's public health spokesman, urged ministers to target resources on the most deprived areas.

He said: "The crucial thing is for smoking cessation services to be focused on areas of multiple deprivation. There are huge numbers of smokers in these areas, and you have to have effective outreach services to get to the people who are not going to clinics."





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  • Last Updated: 07 August 2008 9:50 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Scythia,

Alba 08/08/2008 00:09:53
How many "Scottish" households have at least one parent who goes off to Pakistan to fire off a Kalashnikov ?
2

Guga II,

Rockall 08/08/2008 00:21:38
#1. What a stupid comment. You don't even know the background to this matter, yet you try and score some sort of pathetic political point by opening your mouth and letting your brains run out.

3

Ken_Fitlike,

08/08/2008 00:48:40

Copied form the LIT Story
10 Coileach an taobh Tuath, 08/08/2008 00:20:49



From the Scotland's People Survey 2007.

Includes all adults for whom household income is known or has been imputed.

Household income in the SHS is that of the highest income householder and their partner only


20% of Households in Scotland earn less than £10k
Band A Council Tax (Glasgow) £800
LIT @ 3% is £140


20% of Households in Scotland earn £10-15k
Band A Council Tax (Glasgow) £800
LIT @ 3% would mean between £140- 290


27% of Households in Scotland earn £15-25k
Band A Council Tax (Glasgow) £800
LIT @ 3% would mean between £290-590


9% of Households in Scotland earn £25-30k
Band A Council Tax (Glasgow) £800
LIT @ 3% would mean between £590-740


13% of Households in Scotland earn £30-40k
Band C Council Tax (Glasgow) £1070
LIT @ 3% would mean between £740-1040


10% of Households in Scotland earn over £40k
Band D Council Tax (Glasgow) £1200
LIT @ 3% would mean between £1040 +
4

indune1,

Canada 08/08/2008 01:34:58

1 - Scythia - You silly bunt - you forgot the wee bairns who were taken for a foreign hols!!

However, could the local councils not offer summer camp programs for AK-47 handling?

How about: "Aching for an AK? Have your child proficient in one week!"

"47 quid for a 47! Enroll now."

Guga - I see your point, but given the gravity of this story, do you not find it somewhat troubling that an elected offical in Glasgow seems to have his priorities seriously twisted?
5

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 03:58:55
1 in 5 Scottish households are on benefits, where as 2 in 5 climbing to 3 in 5 work for the government - leaving only 1 to 2 in 5 that are actually of some benefit to the country !!! Can't we just transport our benefit junkies and associated council staff off to england or rockall or something ?

That SNP fella with the ak47 is maybe onto something - 'firing' lib/lab tax squandering, scrounger benefiting councils will hopefully take on a whole new meaning !!?
6

donald,

glasgow 08/08/2008 04:28:14
I fired many weapons in the Middle East. I was in the British Army at the time.
7

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08/08/2008 05:01:43
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dba,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 06:47:30
On a point of information, as one who has life threatening ill health and yes, is on benefit, I would LOVE to have an income of around £10,000. In fact I get just over £5,000 and with the increased fuel costs and other price rises that I have no influence over actually live on less than £2,500 in real terms - this computes at less than most couples spend on a meal... to do me for a week (£50.00)!

New clothes... a distant memory, eat healthily - don't make me laugh have you seen the price of fresh fruit...stay warm... OK this winter I'll be warm and starve or eat well and freeze...while all of the politicians and those who have never had a day's illness in their lives make offensive and ill-informed comments about social welfare scroungers...I pray God none of them ever go through my life of luxury on benefit...I honestly don't know how long I can hang on... but there and again if I die, that will solve the problem of at least one social 'scrounger' despite the fact that I've always worked hard and paid my taxes and National Insurance...
DISGUSTED
Edinburgh
9

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 08/08/2008 07:36:02
Does this £10k exclude rent, rates, child allowances, and the several other benefits available? In other words is it the whole picture?

It would be useful to look at a couple of otherwise identical families, one of which is coping OK and the other which is not. It's often less the income and more the budgeting that distinguishes such families.

It is hard to have sympathy for any poor person who nevertheless spends money on satellite TV, tobacco, booze, the bookie, ready meals, drugs or junk toys for the kids. A happy and worthwhile life is easily possible without all of those things.
10

lynnie11,

work 08/08/2008 07:45:49
I'm a working single mum who earns a decent salary, but by the time I've paid my rent, council tax, nursery costs, travel and food, there's no spare cash for anything. I know for a fact I'd be in about the same financial position if I was on benefits only a lot less stressed and tired. However, that's not the example I want to set to my children so I work hard and get on with things.

Maybe more people should do the same and think about their own self respect before resorting to benefits and creating that vicious circle for their children. There's plenty employment opportunities out there.
11

eric,

Lothian 08/08/2008 07:57:06
And the rest!Most folk in Edinburgh live on less than 7.
12

Unimpressed one,

08/08/2008 09:07:34
this is surely a damning indictment of successive governments' failures to redress the problem of poverty. You'd think this problem would be on the priority list of the excutive, along with alcohol and drug addition and knife violence. We'll see how much difference Salmond and Co. make in 5 years time.
13

11+failed,

the pans 08/08/2008 09:18:31
9 Rulesbutnotrulers
Not often I agree with you! On this occasion I couldn't have put it better myself.
14

Boy Wonder,

08/08/2008 09:25:34
#9. Do you have all of these things you list? Would you deny them to others? Without knowing all of their business, which of course you have no right to!

Because you come across as a narrow-minded, self-righteous, selfish and right-wing toerag of the type oftyen found voting for the Tory Party!
15

hertscot,

08/08/2008 09:41:10
"However, the statistics also showed that almost half the population of the most deprived areas of the country still smoke, while smokers account for only one in eight of those in Scotland's affluent areas."

WTF has this got to do with being paid slave wages!
16

hertscot,

08/08/2008 09:42:23
Please let us comment on the AK-47 story.
17

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08/08/2008 09:45:17
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FC Barcelona,

08/08/2008 10:00:32
please let us comment on the ak47 story, the type of ak47 you get in holland's capital is superb wink wink !!
19

Guga II,

Rockall 08/08/2008 10:03:20
#14 BW. Totally agree with your comments on #9.
20

A.A.,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 10:17:45
People tend to lump all the people on benefits together as "wasters" and "cheats". This is not the case. Some of us are on benefits for genuine reasons such as being unable to work because of genuine ill health. I worked from the age of 15 and have never been unemployed. I am now in my 50s and have only been unable to work for the past few years. My yearly income is under £5000.00. Then because of the rising prices we're told to "pull in our belts". After paying my bills it's impossible to buy much food.
21

A.A.,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 10:19:25
Oh and...I don't smoke and I don't go out. I have never smoked and I can't afford to go out.
22

pwd,

Borders 08/08/2008 10:47:00
An income of £10,000 is light years away from poverty, unless anything short of immediate gratification is considered deprivation. BTW, these figures, in terms of income, make Scotland the wealthiest part of the UK apart from the South West, South East and East of England, and London. Apart from a few who have suffered genuine misfortune, for those who want it and who husband their resources in a civilised manner, the quality of life is second to none.
23

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 08/08/2008 10:52:53
#14 Boy Wonder.

To address your question: No, I have none of those things on my list of useless purchases. I could afford them financially, but not morally. Any spare cash goes to support worthwhile causes.
PS. As I don't vote you'll appreciate that I don't vote for the Tories. Why do you come so readily to such vacuous conclusions?

I agree that people may spend their money as they wish, AS LONG AS the foolish ones don't expect my sympathy or public money.

As to Guga's point. Well, what is it?
24

TheSmith,

08/08/2008 11:25:21
#8 dba - at least you have internet access...
25

The Daleks,

Longmen 08/08/2008 11:27:19
The figures show what I've long suspected, that a huge swathe of the Scottish population is experiencing a life full of financial hardship.

How can this be when the UK is supposedly in the top 5 of the world's richest countries?

Something is seriously wrong somewhere.

It's about time that ordinary folk woke up to this disgraceful situation, and did something about it.
26

Media 1,

cape town 08/08/2008 11:54:55
There is nothing stopping these people from earning more money! You get driven people and not so driven people. You get go getters and people who are the opposite. You get rich and you get poor!

27

Scotfree,

Erskine 08/08/2008 12:05:51
And you can be sure that those who oppose Scottish freedom will be fighting hard to keep it that way. With their allies in the press and media and leading members of the labour party and business supporters - none of whom will fall into this bracket with £500 000 expense accounts (what happened to that story- seems to have gone quiet after the by-election)? Just keep drinking, keep your drugs, fight amongst yourself about the good old “old firm”, big brother and X-factor, forget the theft of your land, the theft of oil and every other resource, the endless budget for nuclear weapons on your doorstep, the slaughter of your youth in every frontier, the wasted generations of lives to keep the contented few in easy comfort. The tolerance of Scots is most remarkable when you consider the evil, mendacious greed and selfishness of their oppressors.
28

Media 1,

cape town 08/08/2008 12:19:00
Scotfree

Please give it a rest for goodness sake.
Scotland is not the little lamb you make her out to be and the people earning less than 10 000 are not slaves, they are free to better themselves whenever they wish.

You mention the theft of oil, thus proving how ridiculously naive you are. Wake up for goodness sake!

I dont care about the poor, just as I dont care about the rich. I only care about filling my pockets with as much MULA as I can get my hands on. And there is nothing stopping me or anyone else from earning even more....And its the same in Scotland, because Scotland is free and liberated. Always has been.
29

sam the god,

08/08/2008 12:24:14
#17 canker

it is even cheaper if you kill your own dinner £0.20 for a cartridge or even cheaper if you use traps that can be re used. You can also use the pelts for clothing (warm and waterproof ) ideal with the price of gas and electricity going up.
30

JayDeeTee,

08/08/2008 12:45:12
I live on less than ten grand a year once I deduct my mortgage, council tax, standing orders etc. This is my definition of net income. Most of the country would fall into the same bracket.
31

The Daleks,

Longmen 08/08/2008 13:03:03
#26 Media 1

What utter and total claptrap to suggest that there's nothing stopping people from earning as much as they want!

If that were the case, no-one would be on the minimum wage, and everyone would be a millionaire.
32

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 08/08/2008 13:10:24
#26 You get Intelligent people and Idiotic No-Marks. guess which 1 you are..(No prizes for guessing).
33

Westcoaster,

perth 08/08/2008 13:35:32
scotfree do us all a favour and cut your broadband off to save some cash. you can spend it on fags and a violin to play your sad songs about its not your fault you've done nothing with your life its the english. get a life loser
34

Media 1,

cape town 08/08/2008 14:09:19
Daleks

You are not that stupid!
I know you are not equipped with a gifted faculty of mind, but you are not as ignorant as you pretend to be.
People are free to make their own choices, some will get off their backsides and earn others wont.
Some will make huge packets of money through dedication and hard work, others will not. If you are earning less than 10 000 but you want more than 25 000, then I suggest you do something about it, nobody else will do it for you and the world owes you nothing.
Deal with it.
35

Daveunderwater,

08/08/2008 14:25:36
# 4

If Dave Cameron took his children to a Scottish Moor on the glorious 12th and gave them shotguns would there be the same furore, I don't think so

It wouldn't get a mention, shhhh you know who's watching
36

Daveunderwater,

08/08/2008 14:27:43
Of course Mrs Thatchers son did try to arm a small country and start a cival war, that did get a mention but was played down as high jinks

what what!!

Tally HOOOOOO!!!
37

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08/08/2008 14:36:17
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08/08/2008 14:37:44
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Daveunderwater,

08/08/2008 14:54:36
# 27

Ay keep the workin man doon, gie him the mushroom treatment

Keep him in the dark and feed him cr4p!!

WAKW UP SCOTLAND, CLAIM YOUR RIGHTS!!!
40

Daveunderwater,

08/08/2008 14:56:32
# 29

I used to watch Magpie too, and Blue Peter!!!

Lots of handy tips, Noaksey would be proud

Give that man a badger!!
41

Boy Wonder,

08/08/2008 15:04:54
#23. RbnR ... You are entitled not to vote if that's you want ... but don't pass judgement on others, because you have given up your rights to comment by not participating in the democracy the rest of us do give a hoot about!
42

sam the god,

08/08/2008 15:17:15
Is it you that has skin head in to service you? You seem to have a fixation about them. As for servicing my wife she I give her a good seeing to both morning and night sometimes in a hot shower . no need for anyone else.
43

sam the god,

08/08/2008 15:17:58
#37 canker


Is it you that has skin head in to service you? You seem to have a fixation about them. As for servicing my wife she I give her a good seeing to both morning and night sometimes in a hot shower . no need for anyone else
44

Yeah1,

08/08/2008 15:44:14
If, as the article says, 43% of those in the most deprived areas smoke, then surely the government should fund a scheme to help them all quit?

If they all quit smoking it would not only save these 'deprived' people a lot of money a year that they normally spend on cigs, but it would also save the NHS millions of pounds a year too, and it would mean less people smoking in the streets and outside pubs etc.
45

bring them on,

08/08/2008 15:47:34
10 grand a year is no bad.

Get on wi it.

The economy, however, is a shmables.
46

brownlie,

08/08/2008 16:32:53
44

Fyi the government already funds a scheme to help people stop smoking.
47

Yeah1,

08/08/2008 16:56:38
#46

"Fyi the government already funds a scheme to help people stop smoking."

Well its obviously not working, perhaps they should make it more stringent.

For example, for those on benefits who smoke they could say that unless they quit they will lose the equivalent amount that they get in benefits for what they spend on cigs. So if someone spends £30 a week on cigs they will lose that amount of benefits until they quit.

Of course it would be impossible to police but its an idea.
48

antifa,

08/08/2008 18:01:30
"Of course it would be impossible to police but its an idea."

Yes, a stupid one.

I honestly don't know how people with a family could live on £10,000. Life must be very miserable for these people - 1 in 5 of us.

Of course, these people will have a smoke and a drink; they will eat white bread with marge and they will have the best time they can.

Those who "have no sympathy", imagine a fantasy world where anyone can get rich (how many people from poor backgrounds do get rich by the way?), and sit on their high horses passing judgement are just making idiots of themselves.
49

Fairfax,

08/08/2008 18:12:32
The Daleks (25): "a huge swathe of the Scottish population is experiencing a life full of financial hardship."

Net income of £10000 per year is not necessarily low if benefits such as social housing are included. Consider, for example, a family earning £10000 (net) per year, but in low-rent council housing in Glasgow, say, and a family earning £20000 (net), but paying £1200 per month in rent in London, say. Which is wealthier?
50

Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 08/08/2008 21:55:51
This is the most important "story" in Scotland/Alba. How can it be that we are doing so badly by comparison with Eire and Denmark? How can we set the country back to work, and by that I mean decent work requiring highly skilled and/or qualified employees? Surely our centres of education must change and teach all their graduates basic business skills, so that they can start and run their own companies, however small? We must make this country a comfortable home for start-ups. The figures also hide the fact that a huge portion of our land is owned by a tiny handful of ultra-wealthy people, many of whom are foreign and/or absent most of the year. People who own more than a certain acreage should be under an obligation to create jobs or pay a hefty tax in lieu thereof.
51

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08/08/2008 22:33:35
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 08/08/2008 22:43:48
Labour's legacy to Scotland - get the majority of people working for cooncils or on the dole - fine voting fodder.

We need these number slimmed down dramatically to 1 in 5 max and the rest of the population encouraged to work by slashing undeserving benefit recipients (those who could work but just can't be bothered), focus a bit more on vocational training instead of trying to pile everyone into university and be academic and reduce the crippling tax regime which Labour has foisted on us. Also stop trying to level down. We need to up our game a bit and expect people to succeed and not just pile more money into more failed social engineering experiments.

Reintroduce fair but hard judicial treatment of criminals and drug dealers who are eroding the moral strength of the nation and at the moment are either let off lightly or enjoy hotel-like facilities when indoors at Her Majesty's pleasure.
53

Brodric,

09/08/2008 00:03:54
Media 1 - take yer self-righteous erkie and climb into it for god's sake.

For the rest, apart from the 10% of sane people commenting here, I am totally and utterly appalled at the mindless morons who know b all about b all.

10k is an appallingly low wage and I am glad that I am not on it - though struggling nonetheless on a guid bit mair.

In this day and age, its bad enough that pensioners, the sick and those unable to work meaningfully should have to live in paltry circumstances. But to have to work day in day out for a pittance and have no little comforts, no decent kind of lifestyle to talk of. Or if you do have a wee glass of wine or a smoke, some sanctimonious b comes along and condemns you for it is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

What we should be guirning about is why some nitwits are earning vast amounts of money which have no correlation with their effort (footballers to name a few - and popstars to name another few) and the fact that nowadays there are more luxury yachts floating around the world, owned by the illiterate corrupt.

Get your hands and mouths OFF the poor who, despite Media 1's not-even-accurately-hippy ideas of "you have a choice" (oh really) DON'T have any choices or they wouldn't be doing what they do.

I am totally and utterly sickened by this attack on the lowest wage earners in our country and hope that a canker of the nether regions strikes and afflicts a slow and horrible painful period upon those idiots who talk such utter drivel about the misery that afflicts the poor in this relatively rich country.



 

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