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Festival is key terror target



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Published Date: 30 January 2008
ONE of Britain's most senior counter-terrorism officers has warned it is only a matter of time before Edinburgh is subjected to a devastating attack.
Superintendent Brett Lovegrove said Scotland's capital would be an "extremely attractive" objective for terrorists – and said the Edinburgh International Festival, which last year attracted 380,000 visitors, was a prime target.

Speaking at an anti-terrorism seminar in the capital, Mr Lovegrove, the head of counter-terrorism for the City of London Police, said: "Edinburgh is an extremely attractive proposition to terrorists, as it has many international businesses, an airport, sports stadiums and crowded streets.

"In particular, the Festival ticks all the right boxes, so it's essential the public are made aware of the threat and what action should be taken.

"Like London and New York, it is also an iconic city which is flooded with tourists all year round.

"Last year's Glasgow airport attack proved Scotland isn't immune to the threat of terrorism. Unfortunately, it isn't a case of 'if' there will be an attack on Edinburgh but 'when'."

Mr Lovegrove went on: "Festivals by their nature can be a risk. Edinburgh also has the Tattoo. events at Edinburgh Castle, Hogmanay, and even this weekend there is major rugby match attracting upwards of 70,000 people.

"It is important not to be complacent. Just because Edinburgh had not been attacked doesn't mean it won't be. However, I don't have specific intelligence that Edinburgh is going to be the next target."

The City of London Police introduced Project Griffin – designed to educate security staff and other public workers on spotting potential terrorist threats – four years ago.

It has since been implemented by a number of cities in the UK, and also by Sydney, New York and Hong Kong.

At yesterday's conference, which delivered the project's message to some 60 delegates, including representatives from Lothian Buses, the car park firm NCP Services and the city council, Mr Lovegrove said "everyone" had a vital role to play in recognising potential threats.

Delegates were introduced to "hostile reconnaissance" to help spot potential targets.

"This means noticing people who suddenly start appearing at a café and perhaps draw maps of the surrounding area. It could be someone using video equipment where it wouldn't normally be done," Mr Lovegrove said.

He added: "We mustn't be stereotypical – a terrorist is just as likely to be a white, blonde woman as opposed to the image many people may hold."

Superintendent Keith Chamberlain, of Lothian and Borders Police, said knowledge-sharing played a key role in fighting terrorism and he called on the public to play its part.

"We want people to be an extension of the police and help us fight the threat by being our eyes and ears," he said. "The seminar is designed to teach people how to spot potential terrorists – not by their appearance but by their behaviour.

"By doing this, we can then reduce the risk of any potential attack."

Yesterday's warning echoes comments by Stephen House, the new Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police, who last November said Scotland was likely to face another terrorist attack. However, one leading academic stressed that life in Edinburgh should not be affected by the obvious threat.

Professor Paul Wilkinson, who chairs the advisory board of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at St Andrews University, said: "I don't think we can allow the problems of terrorism to disrupt the normal lives of people.

"Gatherings like the Edinburgh Festival are a very important part of the life of the city and we must not allow any alarmism to affect it."

Max Taylor, a professor of international relations at the University of St Andrews, said terrorists had changed their targets in recent years, aiming for mass casualties.

"There is a lack of focus on iconic buildings, such as in the IRA days of going for Downing Street, the City of London or the Royal Family. That is not evident now," he said.

"They are not going for the obvious, up-front capitalist things. Instead, one of their main aspirations is mass casualty terrorism, such as transport infrastructure.

"They are also quite conservative and tend to do the things that work. The problem is in identifying the targets.

"Threat levels are unquestionably high, but I don't know of any particular threats to Edinburgh."

The full article contains 728 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 30 January 2008 9:26 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Terrorism in the UK
 
1

Boswall,

30/01/2008 00:06:04
Lots of people gather in one place - key terror target...

Is this supposed to be a revalation?

2

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30/01/2008 00:19:27
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 30/01/2008 00:27:18
A war on the Embra Festival(s) has got my vote.
4

Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 30/01/2008 00:35:45
Brett Lovegrove quote in Paragraph 6
"Unfortunately, it isn't a case of 'if' there will be an attack on Edinburgh but 'when'"

Brett Lovegrove quote in Paragraph 8
"I don't have specific intelligence that Edinburgh is going to be the next target."

These contradictions tell all about this clueless, self-aggrandising buffoon.
5

Senga Jean,

30/01/2008 00:47:19
Are you sitting comfortably? Now I will scare you witless and make you receptive to another war in..... weeeel .Let's see. Where would get us the most votes? ( Or in this clown's case, the most publicity.)
6

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/01/2008 00:51:56
and shame on the scotsman for leading with such an alarmist story that has next to no foundation other than someone making something up..
to be fair i wonder if the quotes were actually in response to a question..like someone asked him..could edinburgh be a target for terrorists ?/ this is a tatic long used by the tabloids..shame again on the scotsman if this is the case..sad x
7

bonspeil,

30/01/2008 01:03:25
Why doesn't The Scotsman just introduce a regular Page Three Girl feature and be done with it? That's obviously the way this paper is heading.
8

Roberta Burns,

30/01/2008 01:05:24
I don't suppose Al and his fellow Quaedas have thought of that Mr London counter-terrorist man. Why don't you just stick to scaring babies, or is it a threat?
9

Roberta Burns,

30/01/2008 01:05:25
I don't suppose Al and his fellow Quaedas have thought of that Mr London counter-terrorist man. Why don't you just stick to scaring babies, or is it a threat?
10

Roberta Burns,

30/01/2008 01:05:25
I don't suppose Al and his fellow Quaedas have thought of that Mr London counter-terrorist man. Why don't you just stick to scaring babies, or is it a threat?
11

Roberta Burns,

30/01/2008 01:06:03
Sorry about the repeats. The site is playing up
12

SouthernGent,

30/01/2008 01:11:32
I'd say the odds are 50/50. Depends on how lucky you feel. The ones that always say it can never happen are the same ones that will say "told-you-so".
13

Kipling,

30/01/2008 01:44:22
Al-Qaeda or I'll kid you
14

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

30/01/2008 02:15:20
Don't think so mate

"We mustn't be stereotypical – a terrorist is just as likely to be a white, blonde woman as opposed to the image many people may hold."
15

Clan-destine,

kyoto 30/01/2008 03:41:51
Why not put effigies of Mr John Smeaton all about Embrugh during the festival....that should scare 'em.
This is a piece of garbage'd scarmongering nonsense but as long as they don't target ma grannie's hieland hame it's allright...the national enquirer couldn't write a better article.
16

Gilmartin,

Philippines 30/01/2008 07:22:39
Another example of how uncontrolled mass immigration and multiculturism are "enriching" the country..
17

donald,

glasgow 30/01/2008 07:24:32
Get out of Britain and its terrorising politics.
18

donald,

glasgow 30/01/2008 07:25:07
Scotland out of Britain.
Britain Out of Iraq.
19

Young Asa,

Dunfermline 30/01/2008 07:28:32
Typical of the nonsense that eminates out of London.

+3 Stay away then ..We dont need your likes over here either. We,ve put up with rampaging Rangers and Celtic fans in the past so the taliban would be a breeze.
20

an interested party,

30/01/2008 07:28:48
when you pay a man to jump at shadows please dont be surprised when he jumps at shadows, its his job

and anyway more funding for anti terrorism will help the polis pension crisis
21

An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 07:29:58
Brett Lovegrove;

This guy is selling fear! Fear of the other. What he doesn't realize is that with a name like Brett Lovegrove he is the other;
22

An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 07:33:03
Brett Lovegrove says
;
"We want people to be an extension of the police and help us fight the threat by being our eyes and ears,".

Aye - he wants us to spy on each other..
23

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30/01/2008 07:35:55
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An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 07:38:01
Gestapo Man Says:

"Threat levels are unquestionably high, but I don't know of any particular threats to Edinburgh."

I know of a threat to Edinburgh! It's a guy called Brett Lovegrove
25

eric,

Lothian 30/01/2008 07:38:33
So is Blackpool,You would have the same effect at St Enoch centre,
26

CASEY PURVIS,

WEST HILLS 30/01/2008 07:40:14
it will happen and the only way to stop it is to keep all islamics out of scotland. close the boarders. only
scots in scotland.
someone will write how i am a terrible person. but these writers are never around after it happens
casey purvis
27

An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 07:41:35
24 - You are a sick puppy!
28

ddmc,

30/01/2008 07:45:19
classic, fear uncertainty & doubt

"some 60 delegates, including representatives from Lothian Buses, the car park firm NCP Services and the city council" , brilliant, i feel so much safer.

Here's a belter, no cars can pull up infront of Edinburgh airport, it's a security risk were told, but i can hijack the #35 or airport bus which are capable of holding several tons of explosives which would be difficult in a car & park right outside the front door of the terminal. Great bit of security planning there.

The illusion of security is all that's needed just like emptying the liquid containers into single bins when there was a risk of binary bombs, another classic piece of security planning.
29

Iain fae Elgin,

LOndon 30/01/2008 07:52:32
"warned it was only a matter of time"

Shurely it 'is' only a matter of time. Or have I mised something?


#14.."a terrorist is just as likely to be a white, blonde woman"
Don't be so bloody ridiculous.
30

Iain fae Elgin,

London 30/01/2008 07:54:00
#27 "close the boarders."

What have you got against Hillend or the Cairngorms?
31

Xena - Warrior Princess,

30/01/2008 07:55:09
Well there's nothing like giving them the idea eh! As for the posters getting at the Scotsman for going with this story, every newspaper is running it.
32

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30/01/2008 07:57:10
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Media 1,

cape town 30/01/2008 07:59:08
#14 Rev Paisley

I disagree!
Not all muslim are terrorist, but of all the terrorists, most are Muslim.
And therein lies the human tendency to expect Muslim terror as opposed to any other.
This story is a nonsense though. We all know that the festival would be a probable target for the terrorists. But they dont need to use the Festival, they can easily do it at a Six Nations rugby match, or a Rangers vs Celtic game or at T In the Park. It could happen anywhere so this story is rubbish.
34

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30/01/2008 07:59:42
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Queen D,

Glasgow 30/01/2008 08:01:07
Keep the people scared policy!
Absolutely ridiculous article.
Cry 'WOLF'
36

Number 6,

Germany 30/01/2008 08:01:54
What gibberish paranoid rubbish. "Only a matter of time..... Surely the same must be said of anty heavily visited place. Scare tactics America style.
37

bobbyprentice,

30/01/2008 08:02:08
If other papers are running the story we should expect a more reasoned and balanced story from our national "quality" newspaper. Was the Editor off last night ? Its a poorly written irresponsible piece of scaremongering trash.
Shame on you Johnston Press...
38

AbandonAllHope,

30/01/2008 08:02:48
Ha Ha Ha, LMFAO, LOL, ROFL ! etc etc
39

An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 08:08:26
On a menu of cultural disasters which would you choose?

1. Islamisation

2. Anglification

3. Americanisation

4. Slow growth

5. rapid growth

6. No growth

7. The pope

8. The queen

9. The mullah

10. None of the above?
40

Dancer,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 08:10:34
Edinburgh survived the RA and UDA we will survive any Musie threat. I would hate to be around after any attack during the Festival. If you think revenge could only happen in other cities, think again. We have been isolated from terror attacks, which does not mean it could not happen. But as said the aftermath would be a lot worse. I for one hope I never see this happen in my city.
41

Dancer,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 08:16:18
# 35 Who are the US NETWORK - UK, what do you do etc. Are you asking people to join?
42

Stephen101,

Away home ya 'expert' 30/01/2008 08:16:30
Delighted to see 'representatives' of Lothian Buses were at this scary conference to listen to Brett (Brett for chrissake, that's his credibility totally shot).

The drivers of LRT have been navigating their buses through Pilton, Craigmillar and the fringes of West Lothian for years. They have dealt with NEDS in packs, drunken Huns and nippy wifies wi zimmer frames and 10 bags of messages. If Brett think a fat beardy guy wi a rucksack is a big deal, he just doesn't understand.

Away back tae yer City of London Brett. We have lives tae get on with here.

43

Stephen101,

Latest news, latest news 30/01/2008 08:25:17
LRT have ordered 5,000 blow up life sized dolls of John Smeaton (fully clothed, including fluorescent jacket). These will be positioned on the front seat of each LRT bus on all journeys. Job done!

At times of high alert LRT are looking at blow up Derek Riordans joining John on his travels.
44

Eh Gov,

Dunfermline 30/01/2008 08:26:33
One Story a week,first young muslim women are terrorists, now this. The goverment are planning more erosion to our civil lberties in the name of protecting us from the evil outside, this is just the wind up to get the population in a frenzy, so we accept the new proposals. if you doubt me read this weeks spectator. Don't buy, if you expect an intellegent article, but it is worth skimming.

Talk about Orwellian politics
45

Shaun McDonald,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 08:28:34
"This means noticing people who suddenly start appearing at a café and perhaps draw maps of the surrounding area."

I'm yet to come across any terrorists in the OpenStreetMap project.
46

orangepeel,

30/01/2008 08:31:54
I'd avoid that site in post #35. It has some rather suspicious looking javascript embedded in it.
47

ddmc,

30/01/2008 08:41:35
#46 i counted at least 4 stories in the 1st 3 pages of this website relating to 'terror' attacks, must have been a slow day at the hootsmon
48

Eh Gov,

30/01/2008 08:43:30
#49, appologise for under estimating :-), just two i noticed, i think i filter most of them.
49

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 30/01/2008 08:45:37
Edinburgh's far too expensive for the average terrorist during the Festival. The price of a beer and sandwich would scare them to death, plus where on earth would they be able to park their car bomb without having a warden slap a ticket on it as soon as they stopped. Seriously, I think today's postings show clearly what Scots think about scare mongering eejits!
50

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 30/01/2008 08:47:58
Frankly, I'm more scared about what nationalist policies will do to us than terrorists. Both groups believe they alone have the truth and that all infidels and obstacles must be removed by what ever means come to hand. Once that's done heaven on earth will arrive and the survivors will be sooooo happy.
51

Eh Gov,

30/01/2008 08:49:06
#35, yeh yeh, if we stopped trying to force our religion and our dysfunctional political views on to every country on the planet, we wouldn't suffer from terrorism; they are scared we are going to destroy thier culture.

In order to stop terrorism, the UK and USA have to learn to work with other cultures not destroy them.



52

Vincent-W,

30/01/2008 08:56:08
#41 - brilliant - you've just written the Scotchman's next ten headlines.
53

Media 1,

cape town 30/01/2008 08:56:12
Of course the terrorists will fight back! Think about it, we (our governments)have armies in their territories, they dont occupy any of ours. What would you do if Iran decided it was invading Scotland and taking our oil? What would you do if Iran had the backing of all the super powers in the world, thus your access to military operations were cut off and all your efforts at fighting back were phrased as terrorist attacks? Would you bomb peopl in Iran?
Hopefull not, but you can almost understand why some of these people are so hell bent on killing.
Think of Scotland, and our animosity toward England! We have a crowd of people in Scotland who will stop at nothing to be FREE as they call it, from Westminster. They sing songs about sending some 700 year old army home to think again. Can you imagine there was no infrastructure, economy, law enforcement or stability in Scotland what might happen?
I deplore terrorists, and I deplore the cowardly act of terrorism. But in this day and age, with the problems at hand, it is easy to see how it can happen.
54

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 08:57:05
Devastating attack? Aye, right. Who have we annoyed who would want to attack us?
This definitely counts as scaremongering, given that Lothian and Borders police have plenty of knowledge of possible terrorist scenarios, let alone potential threats from the IRA etc.
55

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30/01/2008 09:01:11
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ddmc,

30/01/2008 09:01:39
#50 nope i'm going with 4 & not on 3 pages but just 2, this one, miracle if every attack stopped,on page 2 we have clampdown on airport & 9/11 meant tighter security.
57

Number 6,

germany 30/01/2008 09:08:45
It seems they are trying to implement a kind of "Protect America " act, claimed to be implemented in the war on terror but does not once mention terrorism in it's wording. It does however allow for the suspension of hapeus corpus, illegal wire tapping
and arbortory arrest without charge , refusal of access to legal advice, and this for "Any one who can be assumed to have a loyalty to the US". I.E. every single american citizen. Not here , no thanks.
58

Justy,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 09:15:51
When, and if, a terrorist attack takes place in Edinburgh I wonder if the majority of the writers above will shout 'Foul'?

Justy.
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walter,

30/01/2008 09:17:48
Project Griffin consists of three strands; a counter-terrorism awareness day, a weekly conference call and Griffin registered security staff helping the police to manage cordons during a major incident.
This project aims to raise awareness among personnel about counter-terrorism measures so that they are better equipped to deal with their organisation's security challenges on a day-to-day basis and in the event of a major incident.
The idea of the project is not to scare people into not attending any events in their or other cities, it is to inform employees of those companies that sign up what to look for, how to react and what assistance they can give if an attack takes place.
Project Griffin does not state that an attack is imminent but that there is a possibility of an attack.
Some preparation is better than non at all and hopefully any potential terrorist will not attack a city that is prepared.
If a terrorist does intend an attack then it will be thwarted before they can carry it out or there will be people who know what to do in the event that it happens.
To this end project Griffin is an excellent idea which is why many cities have signed up to it.




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Nellie,

Liverpool 30/01/2008 09:23:47
I'd have thought it's pretty obvious that Edinburgh could be a target, but I'm not sure the blighters would choose the Festival because they ought to realise the place will be probably be crawling with Special Branch and MI5.
If they were to hit the city it would be more likely when its guard would be down; but then, why Edinburgh more than anywhere else? Prestige targets are "fine" but you'd think softer targets might be easier. For instance, the IRA gave up London in favour of places like Warrington, which was a very soft target and the kind of place no one would have expected to be hit!
But I agree with the sentiment that we can't allow ourselves be dictated to in terms of where we go and when. In fact, it annoys me when employers hit the coloured buttons with their "security alert" status procedures, as if there were a high probability of their population being hit. I mean, there are literally thousands of businesses, not to mention millions of people. They can't bomb them all. They can only make a pimple on the whole body of the UK, so these OTT reactions simply play right into the hands of the terrorist whose game - obviously - is to terrorise people! The terrorists scare commercial companies into scaring their workers!! Job done!!
61

Beate,

Vilnius 30/01/2008 09:31:07
Is No 35 for real?
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Miss Jean Brodie,

30/01/2008 09:31:47
Lesson number one in eradicating terrorism

DO NOT FEAR ANYTHING! - if you are not afraid - you can not be TERRORIZED

it’s really simple . . . doh !

Remember during the G8 summit in Edinburgh - we were invaded by DALEKS from London disguised as Police Officers and we successfully survived that Fascist occupation !

London Experts have been issuing the wrong pill - Just take the RED PILL !
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Steve Evans,

Malta 30/01/2008 09:44:54
Sadly this must be at the back of ones mind at any festival, so I don't know why there has to be any scare mongering at the moment, unless the Powers that be know something we all don't know
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Purlie Wilson,

Melbourne 30/01/2008 09:47:15
#56
Who would want to attack you? Seems to me that there was a wee soirée at Glasgow Airport in recent times that by the grace of some Deity or other a massacre was avoided.
Now who did Auld Scotia offend that caused a bunch of educated mongrels to plan and commit themselves to mindless slaughter?
Reading the foregoing posts merely confirms what I have perceived in my travels through the UK. The people are not alert and are up to their armpits in the comfort zone. Go own folks check out Google @ "Sharia law" in the UK and if that does not wake you up to the viper clasped to your bosom then all is lost.
Again the announcement by Whitehall that within a generation or two something like 8 major cities in the UK will be populated by a white minority. Does anyone care of course they do not, simply not interested.
Before the posts start ripping me off I know and have worked with many of the Islamic faith and fine people they were so do not get me wrong on their faith.
The hard core fundamentalist will never accept anything other than Islam and those who are prepared to strike out simply to commit mayhem must be guarded against. As in London we here Downunder carry our share of dead and the physical handicapped for life and why? By reason of being on holiday with family and loved ones in Bali.





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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

30/01/2008 09:52:30
Do the Math.

We were recently told that there are thousands of "recruits to Al Quaeda (which may or may not exist) in the UK.

Yet in the past year we've had one attack - some erse driving a car into the doors of a predominantly tourist airport, only to be foiled by a baggage handler.

Sub Daily Mail scaremongering.

Anything could be a target - isnt that part of the fun ?

I hope its T in the park.
66

BK,

Cyberspace 30/01/2008 09:56:16
Superintendent Brett Lovegrove is telling the terrorists "leave London alone and go and bomb Edinburgh" although it is London who are, with Washington, jointly responsible for the world's worst terrorist outrages in recent years? It would be convenient for him if the nasty Jocks, who mainly oppose the UK's illegal and criminal wars, got bombed.
67

Logie Almond,

30/01/2008 09:56:24
Good, I'm fed up with all these jugglers anyway.
68

sceptic,

30/01/2008 09:57:16
That's it then! Next we shall be told that ID cards and 3 months detention without charge are essential for our safety. If a suicide bomber kills a bus load of innocent passengers we can all relax knowing that either he didn't have an ID card or it was a fake.
69

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 30/01/2008 10:00:01
#67 is scarily correct in many of his comments. At the present rate of growth of the Muslim population in the UK it can only be a matter of time before they have the majority vote in large parts of the country. They will then be able to impose their culture upon what will be the minority non-Muslim population without the need for bloodshed. Their secret weapon is to have large families. Our grandchildren will live in a very different country to the on we know!
70

Paul Carline,

Scotland 30/01/2008 10:05:55
Like Keir I'm encouraged by the fact that the overwhelming majority of posters realise this is yet another crude attempt to sustain the phoney 'war on terror'.

However there is a real threat - that the evil loonies in our own (and possibly other) secret services (with a nod and a wink from government) will stage an event just to convince the doubters.

That happened across Europe from 1969 to 1980. Nearly 500 civilians were blown up or shot (90 killed and 200 wounded by a suitcase bomb in Bologna train station, for example). The killings were blamed on 'Communists' (the West's chosen enemy at the time) but were in fact carried out by right-wing paramilitaries trained and armed by our own MI6 and the CIA and working directly to NATO. They were 'inside jobs' and 'black ops'.

Check out the TV film originally made for the BBC by Allan Frankovich called "Operation Gladio".

All the evidence clearly shows that the first WTC bombing in '93, the Oklahoma City bombing in '95, 9/11 and 7/7 were more of the same (we can also add Bali and Madrid to the list) - all in the interests of creating a supposed threat from a fictitious enemy, and in the case of 9/11 providing a pretext for two illegal wars. 7/7 effectively derailed the massive "Make Poverty History" campaign which was demanding a different economic world order, and propped up the phoney 'war on terror'.

So I wouldn't put it past them to stage something in Scotland - with the added incentive of letting the SNP know who's really in charge.

We need to let them know in no uncertain terms that we're not going to be taken in again.



71

C.,

30/01/2008 10:09:03
In the article we are not allowed to comment on, about the plot of British Muslim Solider having his head cut off. I think all those concered, including their families should be kicked out of the country. Their assets should be arrested, and put back in to helping fight the terrorism within. Ian Howard was right in what he said. If only more polititians had his guts and stopped being more PC.
72

Banjo Face,

Glasgow 30/01/2008 10:09:16
Caller: 'Oh my god! Something terrible just happened at the festival!'

The Polis: 'It always does'
73

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 10:09:22
Cool, it is me that a random Australian chooses to comment on.
That soiree wasn't even properly planned. IIRC, they were going to attack somewhere in England, but got scared away after the London bomb did nothing. Besides, it wouldn't have been a massacre, because their method and materials were completely wrong, I believe bobbins is one word you can use to describe it.

Educated mongrels? What on earth are they?
As for AUld Scotia, sorry lad, it doesn't exist.

We ar ein our comfort zone because, surprise suprise, we are aware that many people exagerate the dangers, and we also have what they keep trying to assure us is a really good intelligence agency out to foil the bombers. So why should we worry?

You seem to have this odd idea that every Muslim in the UK is going to want to impose Sharia law, whereas, as you seem to admit later, that is not the case.




74

Banjo Face,

30/01/2008 10:10:53
Eskbank Jambo:

Terrorists are more likely to target places where there are a lot of people. Which rules out Hearts games...
75

Mr Pink,

30/01/2008 10:14:51
74

This is always the case with mass immigration. Our existing example is Glasgow City Council and the west of scotland labour party.

As for those who think this is a scare story. They have dismissed the attack on Glasgow Airport already.

Muppets.
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sweet76,

Coventry 30/01/2008 10:18:22
I think there's more chance of being beaten to death by a bunch of drug crazed youths whilst popping out for milk than being the victim of a terrorist attack.
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HGG,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 10:19:18
Brett, Brett, Brett.

Please sir. My dads not a muslim, but he does have a dodgy beard! Should I report him?
Where can I find my local Stasi representative?

Seriously though, 75 is right on several points. If you don't already know about it check out Operation Gladio. Our leaders are misleaders, (as is you didn't already know that) don't trust them.
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Media 1,

cape town 30/01/2008 10:21:31
Paul Carline

I hear you! But knowing what is actually happening is of no help to anyone.
I can accept the fact that our governments have created all the terror that is now prevalent in our world. I can see, understand and acknowledge the process that began in the corridors of American power and culminated in the attack on the twin towers. I can see people falling to their death in the most ghastly and utterly devastating attack I have ever witnessed and accept that it all began within the off limit (to most)areas off the Pentagon, and then filtered its way down to some Muslim fanatic with an agenda.
I understand the "Viruses of the Mind" and the Memes that create them. But what does it help?
We are programmed to get on with our own lives and accept the one sided media onslaught as fact. Those of us who dont, cant make a difference anyway! The world is the way it is because we want it that way!
Sad indeed, but the way it is.
A war on terror, drugs and anything else is necessary! War means money, and money is king!
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AllyFraeEmbra,

Near the Castle 30/01/2008 10:25:29
How to reduce the chance of a terrorist attack on London? Flag up all the other places in the UK that would make good targets instead. A (not very well hidden) NIMBY agenda from Brett (head of counter-terrorism for the City of London Polis) Lovegrove, me thinks.
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Cynical,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 10:27:11
More Fascism from already one of the world's most Fascist states.

The entire nation of England and Scottish Labour are turning into control freaks.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 10:34:54
If we cleared out of Iraq now and stopped interfering in other countries, there would be no terrorist threat.
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Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek AUSTRALIA 30/01/2008 10:36:15
Well , let me say this, I will be in Edinburgh for the 2009 Homecoming Celebrations which is looking like the largest gathering of the Clans in history; here in Aussie the alarmist Feds keep telling us to look out for anything suspicious and report it on the HOTLINE, what do I look for?, terrorists don't seem to hang out in Pubs, I think this is a Sassenach plot to mess up Scotlands economy, it would not be the first time.
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ddmc,

30/01/2008 10:40:19
If you ever hear of security consultants or the military holding terrorist attack simulations in Scotland run, getaway as fast as you can. 2 things in common between 9/11 & 7/7, exercises were being held simulating attacks when they turned into reality.

#79 I always wondered why there was a warm fuzzy glow, with peace & security at tynie ;-)
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pwd,

Hawick 30/01/2008 10:43:54
This article must be nonsense because everybody just loves the Scots and they all know we're not really British because we too are colonised and oppressed. Well that's the way some nationalists tell it but the truth is rather different. The above is not a particularly good article but it doesn't take genius to work out that anywhere with a high profile and large crowds is a potential target.
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suaveduverre,

30/01/2008 10:49:30
Edinburgh has always been a high target for terrorism as is any major city that attracts high volumes of tourism etc. Any person with any sense knows this and to apply extra vigilance. I feel this article is somewhat out of date. What are we to do, never leave the sofa to be subjected to scar mongering on the TV. Next we will be hearing that our houses will not sell due to terrorism... oh wait, we have!
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stmonan,

London 30/01/2008 10:55:52
This whole piece reeks of the "Dundee Man Lost at Sea" school of journalism.

There are some terrorists who will do bad stuff in places where they can pull it off. I doubt the citizens of Bali, Madrid or Glasgow Airport holidaymakers thought they were about to be targeted till it happened.

What that doesn't justify is a hysterical over-reaction to an ongoing threat. It's only a matter of time till someone will be killed on our roads or murdered in our streets - probably a matter of hours - as well. Some perspective, please.
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Supertramp,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:01:58
#20 is spot on - Its the job of couter -terrorist operatives to be paranoid, doesn't mean we all have to join in.
Those of you making fun of the man's (admittedly unfortunate) name - gonnae growup!
Don't know which sort of comments are more annoying - the head in the sand brigade or the "we've got smeatons / come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" sort
Those of you slagging the Scotsman for the article - 90 comments and growing - seems like people are interested......
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Gusto,

30/01/2008 11:05:06
I'm sure Brett (Isnt it a misspelling of brat?) mistook George Dubbja's pronounciation of turrrurrist. He was talking about tourists!
No need to worry, I'm sure MI something's hired guns will put 7 bullets in the head of anyone looking remotely like a turrrurrist - especially blond girls with a rucksak.
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Alastair the First,

30/01/2008 11:06:36
The government and there various agencies and mouthpieces seem to be trying to create a state of fear and alrm about bombings and about so called global warming (which it now seems may have stopped in 1998...). Is that not in itself a form of state sponsored terrorism?

I expect we're all going to be attacked by patio heaters with long beards.
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:07:52
#90 suaveduverre- If Edinburgh has always been a good target for terrorists, perhaps you can tell us of the many plots that have been foiled, and the attacks that have taken place?

I can assure you that Lothian and Borders police will be doing all sorts of anti-terrorist stuff, given their prior experience with stuff like the CHOG meeting a few years ago and the fact the the Queen likes to visit Holyrood.
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:08:10
#90 suaveduverre- If Edinburgh has always been a good target for terrorists, perhaps you can tell us of the many plots that have been foiled, and the attacks that have taken place?

I can assure you that Lothian and Borders police will be doing all sorts of anti-terrorist stuff, given their prior experience with stuff like the CHOG meeting a few years ago and the fact the the Queen likes to visit Holyrood.
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AllyFraeEmbra,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:21:59
#87 - As the Koran forbids the consumption of alcohol it seems to me that the pub is the safest place to be, as any self-respecting muslim terrorist would not want to be seen dead in such a place.....unless of course he/she was a successful suicide bomber in which case they would be dead already (as would everybody else). Damn, there goes that theory ;-)
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Number 6,

Germany 30/01/2008 11:24:26
#61 Walter, maybe the americans should enrole Condaleeeeeeeza on this course. When you consider how many highly detailed warnings shwe was given about 9/11, including the facts they would attack within weeks (Correct). They plan to fly hijacked craft into tall buildings (Correct again), yet on the day they failed to react in any way. With that level of reaction
Al Quida could parade down pensilvanyia Avenue without being spotted.

And these are the experts that now wish to lecture us ?
extrordinary.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

30/01/2008 11:39:29
Look - If i was a fundemental nutter (I'll leave that open to debate.. ) and was hell bent on destruction - I would do it.

THere are websites i could find in the next few minutes which could instruct me on how to construct a bomb.

There are train stations , football matches , festivals , concerts - the list goes on.

You dont even have to be that clever or intelligent to do it.

Why is it not happening more regularly ?

The vast majority of people on this planet - Muslims included- want to live in peace.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:46:05
#96
From memory there was an "alledged" plot to target the Hogmanay Street Party probably 5/6 years ago I remember it being on the news and they arrested some people in the Meadowbank area.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

30/01/2008 12:00:05
"Life is not an episode of 24"
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walter,

30/01/2008 12:02:31
#98
Are you suggesting that because the warnings reference 9/11 were ignored we should not learn from that lesson.

What is the risk assessment for Edinburgh from terrorist attack.
Has it happened? No, Could it happen? Yes, Can we put measures in place to assist in preventing it happening? Yes.
It seems that the majority of people on here would prefer the answer to the last as No.
They will be the first to complain if any attack does take place and nothing was done to try prevent it.
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tomislav,

home, bemused 30/01/2008 12:03:06
Ehhh ,,, where's Edinburgh?
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morris,

edinburgh 30/01/2008 12:16:52
103

Slightly amusing were it not for the fact that this is an Edinburgh publication of course.

However I agree that whilst its possible that Edinburgh Festival could be a target,its equally
possible that aliens might land on the lawn of the White House, seeking intelligent life forms,say "TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER",speak to George Bush and decide to
forget any notions of intelliegnce here, and give this planet a miss!

The story has little basis,and even less justification, if that were possible!
If I were an Al Qaueda operative I doubt that I would attack Edinburgh !Im not even sure I would know where it was. Maybe you are correct,The more I think about it,the more secure I feel.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

30/01/2008 12:22:01
If terrorists were sitting in cafes drawing maps I would direct them to the nearest internet cafe , google earth or viamichelin.
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WKKB,

30/01/2008 12:23:23
and so, if they (the Al Queda) hadn't thought about Edinburgh before I'm sure they will now and they've even been told where and when to strike. BRILLIANT SCOTSMAN! Of course what the Al Queda needs to keep in mind is that with the growing Muslim population in Edinburgh they may want to think twice. That may not look so good, inflicting injury or death on their own communities.

I will of course try to be additional eyes and ears for the police as far as I can be and pray it never happens.
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ImSparticus,

30/01/2008 12:27:04
Does such an earse such as Lovegrove ..get paid to write shiate such as this?