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Published Date: 12 March 2008
THE head of the US forces in the Middle East abruptly resigned last night after a magazine claimed he was at odds with the Bush administration over its hardline policy on Iran.
In a move likely to sharpen concern that America may be planning military action against Tehran, Admiral William Fallon, head of central command, quit with immediate effect.

Last night he denied he was out of step with the White House, but said the "embarrassment" from the article made it impossible to do his job.

Robert Gate, the defence secretary, denied there was a rift with the admiral, but said: "I believe it was the right thing to do, even though I do not believe there are in fact significant differences between his views and administration policy."

Admiral Fallon was the subject of an article in Esquire magazine that portrayed him as opposed to President George Bush's Iran policy. It described him as a lone voice against taking military action to stop the Iranian nuclear programme.

Admiral Fallon, who is travelling in Iraq, issued a statement through his US headquarters in Florida.

He said: "Although I don't believe there have ever been any differences about the objectives of our policy in the central command area of responsibility, the simple perception that there is makes it difficult for me to effectively serve America's interests."

There was speculation the admiral had been forced out after clashing repeatedly with his Pentagon bosses over how to deal with Iran.

Democrats said the affair showed the gulf between the US government and its own military over Middle East policy.

Harry Reid, Democrat senate majority leader, said: "It is a sign that the administration is blind to the growing costs and consequences of the Iraq war."

When he was appointed in January last year, the admiral told Senate confirmation hearings that all options for diplomacy must be exhausted before military action could be considered.

It was reported to be a veiled criticism of the Pentagon's willingness to back the Bush administration's invasion of Iraq in 2003 without giving time for inspectors to assess whether there were the claimed weapons of mass destruction.

Last summer, as Washington, backed by London, accused Iran of trying to build nuclear weapons, the admiral went public to denounce the "constant drumbeat of conflict".

Last December the admiral's caution over Iran appeared to be vindicated when a US intelligence report concluded there was no evidence Iran had a nuclear weapons programme.

But the news, and the loss of momentum by America and Britain for new sanctions against Tehran, seemed only to sharpen the knives in the Pentagon.

Esquire, which was granted extensive access by the admiral to follow him across the Middle East, concluded that he was "the strongest man standing between the Bush administration and a war with Iran".

It speculated that Fallon, 63, would be sacked this summer because he was thought to be standing in the way of a threat of possible military action.

Certainly, his resignation comes as an embarrassment to the White House as it tries to build support for fresh sanctions against Iran.

The Bush administration continues to argue that, while there is no evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons, the only guarantee that such a programme will not begin is a tough inspection regime. And it argues that regime can only be installed under the pressure of sanctions backed by military force.

But last night Mr Gates described as "ridiculous" any notion that Admiral Fallon's departure meant the US was planning to go to war with Iran.

And he said there was "a misperception" that Admiral Fallon disagrees with the administration's approach to Iran.

He insisted: "We have tried between us to put this misperception behind us over a period of months and just have not been successful in doing so."

'SOFTLY SOFTLY' EX-TOP GUN

ADMIRAL Fallon began his 41-year career as a fighter pilot and flew missions in Vietnam.

He took over a year ago as head of central command, the regional headquarters that oversees military operations in the Middle East, including Iraq.

He was installed in the job to counter criticism that the White House had made a political appointment in selecting General David Patreus to command the war in Iraq. The admiral clashed with Patreus over the general's "troop surge" in Iraq, advocating instead a troop draw-down to allow forces to be concentrated in Afghanistan.

In his previous job, as Pacific commander, Fallon had extended contacts between US officers and their opposite numbers in China, calling for a greater understanding between the two powers.

And he repeated his "softly softly" stance in his new position, convening for the first time a summit of Gulf-region defence chiefs at his HQ in Tampa, Florida.

He will retire early at the end of the month and his deputy, army Lt Gen Martin Dempsey, will take charge of central command until a long-term successor is chosen.

Last night, President George Bush said Fallon deserved "considerable credit for progress that has been made in Iraq and Afghanistan".

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  • Last Updated: 11 March 2008 11:33 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Iran
 
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britsout,

camelon 12/03/2008 00:07:08
theres been a run on the bank of credulity . amerikkkas cheque bounced .
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AJ Fife,

12/03/2008 00:49:24
How many wars does Bush want to lose? Is he after the hatrick?
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Furchrissake,

12/03/2008 01:01:22
Just another little soiree in the Middle East. Bush must go out with a bang - now there's a thought!
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howard sutherland,

bahamas 12/03/2008 01:08:21
5 AJ Fife

Refresh my memory, which war if any has the current President of the US lost if any? A Hat trick implies 3 and I can't think of any he has lost as of yet.

I can only assume you are hoping he will loose one of the current wars? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 12/03/2008 01:51:57
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Dragonhead,
China 1
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Hey Dude U can run, but U can't hide.

Where is that report we asked u for that would verify the number of Chinese citizens executed by ur buddies in the CCP every year.

Is it 10,000 or 15,000.

As for Admiral William Fallon: he is protected by the Constitution of the USA and his Boss the evil Pres Bush cannot do a dam thing about it.

Question: do U know who ur Chinese Admiral is for the
SE-A Chinese Fleet .

A fair question , so Answer it Dude.


I noticed U have dropped Dalian the City where U live .. Why is it because U are scared u could be traced by the CCP.

GC

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 12/03/2008 01:55:36
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howard sutherland,
bahamas
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Dude the WAR lost was Vietnam.
Korea ...a stale mate
Iraq ..... not ended

Chill Dude

Or U could blow a B-vessel ..not good if u intend to keep on breathing Oxygen,''


GC
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Siroos,

UK 12/03/2008 02:20:17
#5- AJ, Iraq & Afghanistan were for target practice. The head of the snake lies in Tehran.
I can see the repeat of the Saddam scenario unfolding gradually. Hopefully, the Iranian people will rise up and cleanse their own soil and culture from the tyrants who claim to rule under a mandate from God himself.
Enough is ENOUGH.
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Stonefield,

12/03/2008 02:35:45
#12 britsout

Why did you change your name from britfree and why do you still try to act like you live in the UK when we know you live in the USA? You often type Yank words like "color and favorite" by mistake.
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W Smith,

Middle East 12/03/2008 02:36:32
The Times have ran the same story as The Scotsman on this admiral but The Scotsman couldn't bring itself to run following story:

Zhila Izadi, thirteen year old girl, was stoned to death in Iran for getting pregnant - by her brother!

Under Sharia Law it wasn't necessary to punish the brother.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2859606.ece

This doesn't bother Salmond and MacAskill - so long as the terrorists (or is it freedom fighters?) in Guantanomo Bay aren't harmed then, eh?

The poor wee souls.
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Polly Ann,

12/03/2008 03:35:44
16 Guga II,Rockall

Ahh.. Guga, the wee man that is hung like a midge. Still full of hate I see.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 12/03/2008 04:15:36
If Bush and that Cheney character attack Iran, the great depression will seem like a hiccough compared to what will follow.

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Audrey,

12/03/2008 04:52:27
W Smith #15

Thanks so much for the link. I appreciate your concern bringing up the issue of the unequal treatment of men and women in Iran and who breached its pledge to restrict the death penalty to the most serious crimes.

Zhila Izadi aged 13 was sentenced to stoning after becoming pregnant with her brother's child including a woman hanged in the town of Gorgan after becoming pregnant by her brother. The rapists were absolved and free from blame. What stupid medieval barbaric Sharia Laws this is and the lunatic Mullahs have no pity for the victims of rape??

(The Violent Oppression of women in Islam)
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/videos/108/the-violent-oppression-of-women-in-islam/
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Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 12/03/2008 05:06:55
Hello Guga,

Yet again with the Rad Left lies of 'a million dead'. The 650,000 number from the Lancet was proven to be a pack of lies and now you Rad Lefters just make it worse.

No wonder most people who are against the war won't believe the numbers you people put out.

Iraq Body Count is an anti-War organization and THEY show all and sundry the methodology they use to get the numbers they publicly support.

More lies are NOT what this debate needs, how about you leave them aside and get honest on this issue?

Cheers from the Rockies
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 12/03/2008 05:25:09

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,
San Francisco 1
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Listen U republican Dude.

I love my country . But I hate the Bush type of American.
They lie, they use fear to manipulate, and they have no conscience when it comes to killing young Americans under the guise of keeping America safe.

If America is that safe, why can't bush go for a walk down Pen Ave without being surrounded by a Military brigade.

In the so called Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

I want to throw up when I see what is happening to our great country, with a War Criminal in the White House.

GC
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 12/03/2008 06:42:49
#23 So are you a right wing liberal Guga or a left wing reactionary.Your posts indicate some ambivalence apart from your faux patriotism.
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malkster,

Scotland 12/03/2008 07:44:17
#16

whilst not agreeing with military action against Iran I am afraid that it would be just as much of a pushover initially as Iraq. the gap between the conventional war fighting capabilities of the Uk Us and western nations versus the rest of the world is the biggest ever.
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Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 12/03/2008 08:04:08
Hello again Guga,

I see, now the anti-war organization Iraq Body Count, which is also anti-Bush policies, is a 'right wing fascist republican' group?

My, my, my, we have been indulging in the wrong kind of mushrooms, haven't we?

Keep lying to yourself Guga, I'm sure with 'due diligence' you'll even come to believe the trip you're peddling to others on the Net.

Cheers from the Rockies
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malkster,

Scotland 12/03/2008 08:29:10
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I wholeheatedly hope that we do not attack Iran but they have no more means of defence than Iraq did. their navy and airforce would last minutes after that they cannot project power and would not require a land invasion but I agree with you all we would do is invite further terror attacks.
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Houssine,

Nanterre 12/03/2008 09:36:51
In the begining of Iraqui war i have claims this world don't have any similitud whit Vietnam war.
The vietnam war was different of Iraqui war.
I think the resignation of the Admiral William Fallon come when the top of american soldiers dead was near four thoussands.
The time at other other we hear the situation in Irak was better in comparison whit the last years and we have giving data as the last year american top dead was only for exempls 700 deads for a year and for this year only 650 dead, than this year was better because the number was increasing for 50 deads.The some case for Iraki suicid attaks against civilians,when a suicid iraki kill more 70 civiliens in a supermarket the american department claims the situation was more better than last years because last years a suicid bombers kill one thoussands pelgrims in Kerballa.
This world was completly different of vietnam war this war is in arab area whit old tribal mind who say eye for eye..one american poeple have writte in a comment whit invasion of Irak GB have opened the "Boite of pandor" i think this is the best comment which i read since begining the war.
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Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 12/03/2008 10:00:57
Hello Biker,

Hey, I'm all for my country ceasing forever, to be the 'world's policeman'.

Unfortunately for us, the scum sucking EU keeps whining and bleating for us (and usually Great Britain) to 'do something' to stop 'this, that, or the other thing' because 99% of the EU member States are gutless wonders when it comes to military action!

When the Balkans blew up, the Germans were hiding under their beds. The French were screwing their mistresses and too busy to be bothered. The Spaniards were too busy corrupting each other and the Italians were too busy trying to but the millionth government together.

The Dutch were the only ones really interested and they let a massacre happen right in front of their eyes, does the name Srbenicia ring any bells?

I'm all for pulling ALL US troops from ALL foreign bases, closing down those bases, and telling the hosts of those bases to get busy making friends with their enemies.

I want all US military personnel OUT of Europe!

The Germans can learn to speak Russian for all I care, and they probably should, given that Putin has reinstated the Live Nuke Flights with the Bears and Backfires, which he has used and continues to use, to VIOLATE the sovereign air space of any country he wants to violate (Canada, Finland, Georgia, Ukraine, USA, Japan, etc.).

You anti-war/anti-Bush/anti-USA hypocrites utter nary a word about Putin cranking up the real potential for war, and a nuclear war at that! You two-faced hacks don't bother to utter a word (nor the Scotsman bother addressing Putin's threat)when Putin stated that he WILL re-target Russian nukes to obliterate both Poland and the Czech Republic), should the US supply both countries with the ability to stop incoming nukes from Iran/North Korea.

Why the hypocrisy my dear Biker? You're never at a loss for calling Bush all sorts of nasty names, levelling all kinds of baseless charges of criminality against him, my country, and my countrymen, but you and your ilk are
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Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 12/03/2008 10:04:57
Hello Biker CONT,


Why the hypocrisy my dear Biker? You're never at a loss for calling Bush all sorts of nasty names, levelling all kinds of baseless charges of criminality against him, my country, and my countrymen, but you and your ilk are silent as death itself about Russian agression and outright threats of Nuclear Obliteration against Member States of the EU!!!!

Why the silence Biker?

You, Guga, that vacuous fellow Bill2, the witness (or is that 'witless'?), and many others on these threads, continue to rail against the USA, ZERO FACTS in hand, but keep as silent as proverbial mice, when it comes to Putin and Russian Aggression.

How about you step up to the plate and start posting threads about the Russian Threat? No? I'm not surprised at all: the USA has NOT threatened to wipe any country off the face of the Earth because the Russians or the Chinese have put missile systems in their client states, and certainly not anti-missile systems!

But none of these facts matters to you at all Biker and Company: all you want to do is to hate the USA. Hate away Biker, work it to the proverbial hilt, silent as ever about Putin and Russian Aggression.

Keep up the 'good work' Biker; the more you continue to maintain your silence, greater is the proof of your hypocrisy, lack of integrity, and that you are bereft of any real moral convictions.

Cheers from the Rockies
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 12/03/2008 10:41:41
At the fall of the Soviet Union, the balance of military power fell dangerously in favour of the USA. One only has to look at how the US has abused that power since then.

It is refreshing that other powers are emerging, such as Russia and China, to combat these US abuses and provide some stability and reinstall the balance.

Although it may only be a figment of George Bush's limited imagination that the Iranians are trying to develop a nucular (sic) bomb, it would be perfectly understandable if they were. He's only brought it on himself.

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Silence of the Yams,

12/03/2008 10:45:39
I hope they take out the Mullah's facilities soon. Would be a good going away present from Bush.
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Glaswegian,

Glasgow 12/03/2008 10:46:22
The Iranian Government is undoubtedly repressive, and unlike many other repressive regimes, the US and UK are happy to acknowledge the fact - when it suits them.

Teenager Mehdi Kazemi came here to study in 2004 and subsequently discovered his boyfriend had been arrested by Iranian police, charged with sodomy and hanged. Under interrogation, the boyfriend named Kazemi as his partner.

The Home Office rejected Kazemi's claim for asylum, so he fled to Holland. The Dutch have now ruled he should be sent back to Britain, where the Government has confimed that all domestic avenues of appeal have been exhausted.

The Home Office says he can expect to be detained pending deportation. It argues that if Iranians are "discreet" about their homosexuality, they will not be persecuted. Kind of hard to be discreet, though, when your name has already been passed on to the authorities.


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Boy Wonder II,

12/03/2008 11:11:11
30 & 31

Nutters
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Gramma Kitty,

Portage Lakes, Ohio, USA 12/03/2008 11:16:51
This is another censoring by the White House. Dare not speak the truth, or you'll be punished!

The only country with the WMD NUKES who has USED them is the United States.
The US is allied with Saudi Arabia, where there are pitiful non-rights and persecution for women. Bush wants us to follow his lying lead unquestioningly.

PAH!
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 12/03/2008 11:30:05
#37

"I hope they take out the Mullah's facilities soon. Would be a good going away present from Bush".


......."If Bush and that Cheney character attack Iran, the great depression will seem like a hiccupp compared to what will follow".

That would be the "going away present" from Bush.

The problem is that he's stupid enough to do it.
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AJ Fife,

12/03/2008 11:55:50
#7,

I didn't say Bush has lost any wars....yet! The Iraq and Afghanistan wars are only defeats in progress!

Any war with Iran will only end up as an even bigger disaster. If the US can't prevail in a virtual stone age Afghanistan and a semi destroyed Iraq, what chance have they got against a sophisticated and modern country like Iran?

Iran's govt may well be totalitarian, but ordinary Iranians are highly intelligent and extremely loyal to their country. The recent Rageh Omar documentery was proof of this, as was the latest John Simpson reports.
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bill2,

12/03/2008 11:56:31
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bill2

Good morning troll! Sleep well?
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Livingstone,

12/03/2008 12:10:55
#45 AJ

We thank you for the support of the Jocks, what does the AJ stand for?

Aazad-Jamal?
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Kenny A,

12/03/2008 12:25:02
Neanderthal

Shot yourself in the foot with your comments, no wonder considering your nations attitude to weapons. The USA is not able to be the worlds policeman because for example you cannot even police your own high schools, some idiot goes and wipes other students out on such a regular basis it is no longer news.

Dragonhead. China is catching up on the USA, now the worlds second worst polluter, sorry about that mate.

Reagarding the Admiral, Yank or not, perhaps he realised his job was to defend US citizens, note the word defend. Not to cause more choas than the US ably abetted by the UK has managed in recent years.
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Newman!,

12/03/2008 12:41:41
To all you right wing Bush lovers.

Can we please see your plans for 'taking out' Saudi Arabia next please. After they are as bad if not worse than the Iranians when it comes to stoning women etc.
Oops sorry forgot they're on your side.

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Lock,

12/03/2008 13:11:37
Surely the state that Bush has left the US economy in makes it practically impossible to invade Iran. Is there enough money in the coffers? I doubt it.
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mike - across the pond,

GC 12/03/2008 13:29:47
small problem here...

you appear to not quite get it that just like ANY job... Admiral Fallon is accountable to his bosses... for Adm Fallon those bosses go right up to the president... its IS how the constitution has it set up... and why the president is called the "commander in chief"... why Harry Truman had "the buck stops here" on his desk.... and ultimately why the horse collar for Viet Nam falls on LBJ...
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Silence of the Yams,

12/03/2008 13:31:45
44. Care to explain that comment? If the Mullah's don't take the loss of their facilities on the chin, and try to start a wider conflict they will be wiped out by US airpower.
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Finnking™,

Another Tax Zone 12/03/2008 13:37:27
52 Finnking,Lempäälä

Troll, it's Sandy or TSW
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Finnking™,

Another Tax Zone 12/03/2008 13:39:24
bill2, how do you copy your name exactly? I've tried and the system won't let me.... I had to put the TM after my name to have another log in.
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mike - across the pond,

ah newman.... 12/03/2008 14:03:18
Saudi Arabia?

havest thou a clue of what thou speakest?

is it the royal family you want out?

or do you want to run the wahabis out?

oh and by the way... the Saudi Royal family are NOT wahabi...

royal family... those would be the ones who are MOST western in their ideologies... you know little things like women participating in their society... going to school.... driving cars.... not running around in berkas... not to mention not maiming their women...

the Wahabis are the whackadoo ones... and the religious sect of the masses... and the source of the 9/11 hijackers... are you advocating something like genocide... I dont think we really want to try anything militarily there... and with the geographic placement of mecca... If we were to try anything militarily in Saudi Arabia you would very likely run a significant risk of throwing ALL if islam against you...

dunno about you, but being an american... having those pesky little pieces of paper... you know the ones with those little phrases... "all men created equal"... and talking about "for our posterity"... dont you think that we should be backing the ones who are closest to those ideals?

who's the crazy one here?
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mike - across the pond,

aj fife 12/03/2008 14:18:56
the only way we "lose the war" in Iraq and Afghanistan is if we turn tail and run...

if we stay... the democracies WILL GROW...

ultimately we indeed may be there for a LONG time... because as Fred Thompson observed, the peoples of Afghanistan, and Iraq do not have indigenous great thinkers... an entire generation of intellectual genocide by Hussein, the USSR, and the Taleban have made sure that those guys simply dont exist... we have to grow them... and it WILL take time...

time that can only be "short circuited" by the short sighted "duck-and-run" crowd...

where do YOU fall AJ?
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AJ Fife,

12/03/2008 14:30:11
You will tun and run and you know it!

It's the American way...
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britsout,

camelon 12/03/2008 14:43:19
they have no sense of irony " as fred thomson says " . its easy to see why you invade other peoples counntries . you are unspeakably greedy for whatever wealth you can steal from whoever is too weak to resist you . my point is that your bullying power is diminishing . your ability to command other peoples pipelnes / oilfields, political developement etc . is diminishing , the rising powers have had experience of your nasty world view . indeed have been the victims of it , and their fear of your military might is diminishing . as for "THE SPREAD OF FREEDOM" tell it to the marines .
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bill2,

12/03/2008 14:43:32
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Troll

You are managing to wreck the forum without asking for help.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 12/03/2008 14:44:11
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Dragonhead,
Dalian China
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Hey Dude,
Which of these countries you mention ban their citizens from voting their conscience..

Why Dude its ur country CHINA .

All 1.3 billion Chinese cannot vote.

No matter how u try to cover up the greatest human rights crime in history .. You can't, while Ur CCP buddies control the masses in CHINA and stop them from voting.

And where is that report on how many Chinese, are executed every year. ?

Tell us about ur fleet of new MEV's being brought into operation CHINA.

They are less messy, than executing ur citizens with the hollow point bullet fired into the back of the head.

These MEV's are the new State killing machines, that allow privacy to the Chinese citizen about to be execute. And all more of the victim's organs can be harvest for sale.

During the 2008 Olympics Ur CCP will make dam certain they hide these MEV's from the eyes of the"freedom to vote" foreigners, who will attend the Games..

GC
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britsout,

camelon 12/03/2008 14:56:16
mike . the ibn saud are not wahabbi ? look you obviously KNOW NOTHING about the origins of that family, who believe their fate is inextricably bound up with that creed . if you can make up a statement like this ,a full 180 degrees away from the universally understood truth of the ibn saud . what credence could anyone give to a single utterance you might make on any subject ? you should try reading , you know books 'n' that
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Fortunado,

12/03/2008 15:02:48
Audrey,
12/03/2008 04:52:27

When was there a religious law that was any good? To defend any type of religious law is an affront to humanity and civilisation. The moment religion leaves the domain of personal and private worship on a singular basis (which in my opinion is itself nothing short than self deception), it causes problems for everyone and everything else – sharia law or any other. No one and no law –sharia or otherwise – should be a pretext to take the life of a mother to be because of the conception that has taken place in her womb, no matter how that event came about. What Khamenei, Ahmadinejad and their crocked bunch of criminal lunatics have shown everyone is that once religion raises its ugly head then there is no place left for humanity.
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Newman!,

12/03/2008 15:09:33
#57!? one of the the most mental posts I've ever read on here..
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britsout,

camelon 12/03/2008 15:34:01
murder hundreds of thousands in illegal war and you get a library when your turn is finished ." sleep " with a hooker and you get the sack . dosent seem fair really . what do you think he'll put on the shelves . what was the big duck called BABY HUEY ? what it cant be comix ? it has to be books . i foresee empty shelves in the pres dubya library
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Houssine,

Nanterre 12/03/2008 15:38:53
Audrey/64,dear Audrey i'm a sunni muslim ,i want to call you Saddam Hussein regim was not ruled by the islamic Sharia,and his stat was a socialist of Iraq.
Under his power never women was stoning and we can see what happen in Irak since his invasion by american forces:killing,poverty,destruction,tribalism...and the end of the war is not for tomorow.I think is preferabl for many commentators in this sit to think whit the reason than whit the blind passion.
America have invaded Iraque whitout reason,Saddam Hussein,each day as a dog have repeated they are not nuclear weapons in Irak,today we have near 4,000 american killed,near a two millions iraqi citizen expatriat or refugee in Syria,Uk,jordan...
Al quaeda was rising evry day not only in Iraq but in others arabs or non arabs countries,as Algeria,Pakistan,Afghanistan.
And G.Bush was a beautiful smill about the jod he have acomplished.
I'm arab and i know arab mind, i assur you most arabs poeples was against american presence in Irak.
In the begining of the war in 2003 i have posted a comments which i have writted this war was different about vietnam war and for me is more better to compar it whit Israil-arab conflict.
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57Nomad,

c 12/03/2008 17:57:13
#29 Malkster

Malks said:

"I agree with you all we would do is invite further terror attacks.

Malkster, your observation does not conform to our common experience of human nature. One does not invite further violence by striking back at an aggressor. One not only invites further violence by failing to strike back, failing to strike back almost assures it.

Bowing to barbarity is not compassion, it is the opposite of compassion and all the more despicable because it wraps itself in a cloak of moral superiority. There is nothing noble about pandering to aggressors. The Islamofascists do not hold a grudge against us for some long ago injustice, or recent injustice for that matter.

The Islamofascists have the same attitude toward the West as the Muslims had who conquered Spain and stayed there for 800 years. They don't hate us because we let women walk outside without an escort. They don't hate us for any of the perceived moral shortcomings one hears a litany of on a continual basis. The hate us because we're not Muslims and they consider a world that contains five and a half billion infidel souls AS a state of war. And they believe that the only way for peace is the conversion of the rest of the world to Islam. Peace, the way it is understood in the West, is of no interest to them. Consequently, negotiations have no chance of succeeding.

If a man steals your bicycle and the next day he finds you have burned his house down and placed a note on his front yard that says, "Give me back my bike. Don't make me ask twice," you are very likely to get your bike back.

If you tell the thief that you can understand why he did it, cold mother, absent father, dog died, whatever, and while you tell the thief these things you perhaps display a little fear of the thief, you can bet on one thing. You haven't seen the last of that thief.

"Once you pay the danegeld, you never get rid of the Danes."



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Lynne,

USA 12/03/2008 18:02:04
Can't go by the Democrats say..it is an election year.

US not seeking war with Iran: White House
Posted 2 hours 53 minutes ago
The White House says "there is no one" inside the US Government who wants war with Iran, even though US President George W Bush has not ruled out any options.
"There's no one in the administration that is suggesting anything other than a diplomatic approach to Iran," spokeswoman Dana Perino said one day after the commander of US forces in the Middle East resigned.
Ms Perino said "it's nonsense" to say that Admiral William Fallon was pushed out because he reportedly disagreed with Mr Bush's hardline approach towards forcing Tehran to end its suspect nuclear program.
"The President welcomes robust and healthy debate," she said, adding that there were "dissenting views on a variety of issues that get worked out through our policy process. That is usually not played out in the press."
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Lynne,

USA 12/03/2008 18:04:09
continued..
"What the President has said is that all options are on the table is what helps make diplomacy work and makes it more effective," she said.
Mr Fallon said in a statement Tuesday that he was stepping down because reports that he differed with Bush over Iran - chiefly an article in Esquire magazine - had become "a distraction."
Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced he had accepted Mr Fallon's resignation "with reluctance and regret," saying there was a "misperception" that the admiral was at odds with the administration over Iran.
But the sudden departure of the head of the US Central Command drew an avalanche of criticism from top Democrats who suggested that he had been forced out because of his candor.
Asked about Esquire's contention that Mr Fallon's removal would signal the United States was preparing to go to war with Iran, Mr Gates said: "Well, that's just ridiculous."

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57Nomad,

california 12/03/2008 18:09:56
#64 Fort

Fort said:

"When was there a religious law that was any good? "

How do you like this one?

"Thou shall not kill (fortunado)."

The expression in the parentheses was added by me, but it doesn't change the original meaning. And if you have been keeping up, the new and exciting find of an ancient stone tablet that scholars have just finished translating.

"Thou shall send a couple of bucks to 57Nomad."

Hey, I was as surprised as you. Nonetheless, it is an example of the way religious laws can be beneficial.
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CombatVet68,

New Babylon 12/03/2008 18:47:04
#14 the witness:

Beloved of my Heavenly Father, it is apparent to me in reading your post that you are blind spiritually. Your ignorance and hatred enables you to blame all that is evil on the "Zionists". What utter foolishness. For it is the "prince of darkness" of this world that teaches you to hate my Heavenly Fathers chosen people.

Do you not know that my Lord Jesus was born a Jew, is now a Jew, and that these are His chosen people, for my Heavenly Father still honors His covenant with Israel even unto this very day. For it is written; "He who curses you, I shall curse, and he who blesses you, I shall bless." (Speaking to Abraham and the Jewish nation) It was not Ishmael who was the child of promise, but isaac.

Lucifer and the principalities of darkness used Hitler and his facist regime to destroy many millions of people, among whom was the jewish people, but not they alone. The radical fundamentalist terror cells which operate in the world today do the will of their father, Lucifer. But know this....HE will bring jugement against all that defy His covenant with Israel, for the Lord of Hosts will truly fight for them. Who among you can stand and defy the Living God, who among you will not be utterly destroyed in that defiance?

I am of German decent, yet I utterly reject the stupidity and arrogance of blind men who profess that they are superior to other races. I openly rebuke those who profess to be white supremicists, and claim in the same lying breath that they are Christian! Woe be unto them, liars and hypocrits. For in the day of jugement they shall fear and tremble before my Lord, who shall judge all men, great and small.

So, repent of your sins and turn your whole heart to the God who loves you and desires only good for you. May my Lord grant you undertanding, that the scales might be lifted from thine eyes.
Selah
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 12/03/2008 18:49:25
69
Lynne,
USA
--------------------------------

Dana Perino is a conditioned puppet of the evil G W Bush and his gang.

Gates has no say in the matter.

Congress needs to be manipulated by evil Bush to give the Go-AHEAD to attack Iran.

Bush is too weakened now, to repeat his fear tactic on Congress to attack IRAN . 76% or the American voters no longer believe the Dude.
And there is no second 9/11 on the horizon ..not yet anyway.

GC
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CombatVet68,

12/03/2008 18:51:55
#73 Galactic

Your ignorance is showing. You have no earthly idea as to the destruction that is coming.
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Number 6,

Germany 12/03/2008 18:54:40
Having run out of Army top brass who would go along
with this madness, they turned to a seaman to run 2
land wars. Now even he has given up trying to get them to see sense. I would not be surprised if Colin Powell steps
back in to the spotlight. Having sold his soul to the devil with his litany of lies, convincing the American
people that invading Iraq was just, getting him to front an attack on Iran, and continuing the carnage in
Iraq, should be a cake-walk.
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mike - across the pond,

kenny a 12/03/2008 18:55:49
whats the population of the UK... 100 mil?

we are over 300 million... so claiming "equal partnership"... yeah while we appreciate your help... you are flat outnumbered....

we cant police the world??? well I guess you have the track record of about 500 years on that one...

however our aims are not the same as yours were... we dont wish to build an empire on which "the sun never sets"... or leave political devistation in our wake...

WE are different... take for example the aftermath of WW2 germany... compared to your WW1 germany... japan.... the phillipines... we wish to establish democracies... not leave dictatorial monarchies in our wake...
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mike - across the pond,

to the mentally defficient newman.... 12/03/2008 19:00:12
was THAT your comeback?

I state facts...

you scream "mental"... and run?

wow...
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Lynne,

US 12/03/2008 19:22:35
GC..he is not going to attack Iran..
There is a growing number of reformists and others who want change in Iran. They have been repeatin 2 words..diplomacy, and dialogue..NOT war. Doean't matter what you think Dana is.. the message is still the same.
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Biker,

Ayr 12/03/2008 19:28:19
Neanderthal. I take issue with your comments largely because they are what they are.... utter dross. America choses where and when to be the "World Policeman" and that is usually where there is a dollar to be maid, not for any altruistic reasons.
I did'nt notice the US of A getting involved in Rwanda (or the UK come to that), in fact it was the Canadians and the Duch along with the Packistanis who tried to help.
I'm not taken in by the stupidity and spin of Bush and Cheyney, as you appear to be.
I have no issue with your countrymen or indeed your country, having spent a wonderfull holiday there last year, but I do take exception to my country being dragged into a war, providing support for rendition to a criminal such as Bush. Probably worth remembering is that the war in Iraq was deemed illeagal, or has that slipped your neanderthal mind.
Admiral Fallon is not the first militery person to show his disfavour with Bush and he wont be the last.
By the way, I dont sit at the computer waiting for your inainities, I actually have a life with horizons which is more than xenophobes like you do.
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Biker,

Ayr 12/03/2008 19:40:25
Neanderthal. Probably worth mentioning also is that when questioned by myself, most of your countrymen i spoke with had nothing good to say about either Dubya or his handler Cheyney.
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Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 12/03/2008 19:44:51
Hello all you anti-Americans,

Well, well, well, all you sorry lot can do is to make ad hominem attacks, FLEE from the FACTS, and do everything you can to RUN from the naked military Russian Aggression which has been played out all over the globe!

Putting it mildly, you lackluster lot are spineless, intellectually inept, and quite frankly, a bunch of fanatics who make the Luddites look like reasonable people.

The FACTS are these: the USA did NOT threaten to wipe Cuba off the map, the threat of nuclear was was equally shared by the USSR and the USA: and neither wanted to push the button, because all those missiles were pointed at each respective nation.

The Cubans played it for all it was worth; to the tune of 3 BILLION dollars a year from the Soviets.

Putin is CURRENTLY threatening to launch NUCLEAR WEAPONS against Poland and the Czech Republic.

Are these two countries European Union Member States or not? Since they are EU Member States, why has not the EU stepped forth, CONDEMNED the Genocidal Threat from Putin, and moved to back Poland and the Czech Republic's desires to install an anti-ballistic missile system, which is WHOLLY defensive!

Again I must ask, why have none of you lackluster spineless anti-US/anti-Bush/anti-war fanatics stepped forward and CONDEMNED Russia for THREATENING to wipe TWO EU Member States from the face of the Earth?

Grow a pair, get honest, and stand on your hind legs (if you actually have a pair to be found).

You sorry lot are truly ridiculous.

Cheers from the Rockies
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Covert Action,

12/03/2008 19:49:07
Let's turn it into a glass carpark
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mike - across the pond,

AJ Fife 12/03/2008 19:52:50
small question for you.... Bill2 might be able to answer you this one...

ever notice the difference in salutes used by UK and US troops...

US GI's salute palm inward and down...

brits salute palm outward ad up....

know why?

we have never been beaten on the field of battle...
ever go ahead... name one.... (pssst vietnam... that would be at a negotiating table)

you however, not so much...
hell even the french fought you guys to a virtual stalemate over 500 years....

THE FRENCH who line the streets of paris with trees so invading troops can march in the shade...

you may WANT us to lose... if for no other reason than to bring us down to YOUR level.... but it isnt happening... a good share of those in the US ancestors hail from the UK... but we are NOT brits...
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American,

12/03/2008 20:17:36
#73-GC-"And there is no second 9/11 on the horizon ..not yet anyway"--Thank God!! Seems the patriot act is working so far!
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CombatVet68,

12/03/2008 20:23:08
#79 Biker:

I do agree with you in part. It is apparent that Bush totally ignores the fundamental protections afforded all men under the Constitution of the United States, even to the point of cowardly hiding while members of the Armed Forces are prosecuted for acts of "torture" in Abu Grabe, which was a direct result of his policies. (i.e., the "washboard" treatment he authorized in Gitmo. Yet he stood by while several lowly non coms had their lives ripped apart for merely following his administrations policies of torture. As usual they shoveled it onto the lowly soldier while those responsible hid their faces.
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Carolyn 1,

12/03/2008 20:23:19
Iran had a ceremony yesterday honoring Hezbollah leader Imad Mughniyeh,(who was killed Feb 12 in the car bombing in Syria), with an 'official regime stamp', of his image.
During the ceremony the top advisor for Khamenei said, "the time of the Zionists is over"

Admiral Fallon's retirement fades into unimportance, when Iranian leaders spout:
"the time of the Zionists is over," or that "Israeli ... the fake regime,"...

Europe is seeing a more frightening NEI just released and evaluating the future options.
Admiral Fallon's duty will transfer to another desk doing the same job of trying to determine Iran's threats.
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CombatVet68,

12/03/2008 20:26:56
#79 Biker:

I do agree with you in part. It is apparent that Bush totally ignores the fundamental protections afforded all men under the Constitution of the United States, even to the point of cowardly hiding while members of the Armed Forces are prosecuted for acts of "torture" in Abu Grabe, which was a direct result of his policies. (i.e., the "washboard" treatment he authorized in Gitmo). Yet he stood by while several lowly non coms had their lives ripped apart for merely following his administrations policies of torture. As usual they shoveled it onto the lowly soldier while those responsible hid their faces.

I said it then and I say it now. This was manipulation of the media and the masses. It is absolutely wrong and he should have stepped in and taken the responsibility for these actions. It was his policy. It still is, and thats as plain as the nose on ur face.
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Hemingway,

12/03/2008 21:52:24
I really do grow tired of all of these Trolls like bill2 and Finnking from some other site coming here and wasting space on these threads.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 12/03/2008 22:38:25
# 69 Lynne

"US not seeking war with Iran: White House"

....Oh Really?
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bill2,

12/03/2008 22:39:28
83
mike - across the pond

Salutes.

The US salute is based on the Royal Navy salute, used to conceal dirty hands so as not to distress officers. Also, it is easier to conceal a weapon with this salute, unlike the army palm front salute which is similar to the open handshake, used to show no hostile intent.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 12/03/2008 22:48:13
# 83

....There was only 1 war America was assured of winning, their civil war.
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henrymanchester,

UK 12/03/2008 23:20:05
Lets bomb the world!

No more people, no more recession!

Yay!
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Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 12/03/2008 23:27:37
#83

"go ahead... name one."

November, 1950, Korea.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 12/03/2008 23:41:43
#90 - Bill2

>"Also, it is easier to conceal a weapon with this salute, unlike the army palm front salute which is similar to the open handshake, used to show no hostile intent.

So the army was were required to provide proof of no hostile intent, whereas others were trusted?
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Dáithí,

San Jose 12/03/2008 23:42:51
Sorry, remove the 'were':

would be: So the army WAS required to provide proof of no hostile intent, whereas others were trusted?
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Shamus,

Glasgow 12/03/2008 23:53:43
It would be good to see the Iranians freed from religion. But to replace it with US Evangelism and Catholisism would be back to square one.
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 00:00:20
the loony religionist was good , lynne was lynne . the amerikkkans wasted the concept of logic .like it was a literary falluja . nonuts still at it to little effect. after a late supper britfree returns to find the thread awash with amerikkkan denial concerning all the wars theyve " won " .
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 00:15:19
i see carolyn 1 is still shocked that anyone could call for the annihilation of the zionist entity . hey let britfree claim that honour , not for the first time in a long life of vicseral anti zionism . i support ANYONE who employs ANY tactic to accomplish that very aim . they stole it all, let them suffer the dessert reserved for theives
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57Nomad,

california 13/03/2008 01:17:21
The headline said the 'fear' of a strike was growing. But the article says nothing about this 'fear' deal. The headline says that's what the article is about but all it says is some dry and boring stuff about office politics, sheesh!
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Audrey,

13/03/2008 04:22:12
Fortunado #64

There’s really no need for you to “mince” and lump together all the religious laws of other religions with that of Islamic Sharia Law. The same goes with making a comparison over one religion after another, to find excuses. Not all religions are alike in beliefs neither their principles in governing human affairs.

My main subject of contention as my post and link above clearly showed is focus only on the practice of Islamic faith, the Sharia Law, and oppression of women in Islam.

Looking at the link I sent with the caption “The Violent Oppression of Women in Islam”, a devout Muslim father in Iran beheaded his 7 years old daughter in public because he suspected his daughter had been raped by her uncle. Which followers of religion would tolerate such practice and of honour killing? Which religion permit hanging of gays?

When a girl is raped, she has to find and produce four male witnesses to testify against the accused/rapist. It’s not just one witness but FOUR witnesses. These witnesses have to be consisted of only MALES, not females. Which religion apply to such stupid ruling? Sharia Law, sound familiar?
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Audrey,

13/03/2008 04:30:50
Houssine #67

Why direct your post to me and whinge? What have the Iraq war got to do with the subject of Islamic Sharia Law, Iran’s stoning of rape victims and adultery? If you have news and links related to Sharia Law and ill treatment of women, then come back to me. I suggest you re-direct your post to others who will listen to your war time stories.
102

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/03/2008 07:16:31
#101 Lynne

What was posted in #100 is mild in comparison with what has been said by some Jewish leaders.

By the way, your comment infering the poster is less than human gives credence to the content of post #100.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 08:19:02
15

Well there you have the perfect excuse to invade a country a brother murders his sister are you planning on joining up for this war then Smith??

26

Iraq body count???? DOCUMENTED DEATHS ONLY!!!!!! not to be confused with UNDOCUMENTED DEATHS which naturally occur during war time. I bet they are not going to include the children who died due to malnutrition because of the 10 year embargo either.

38

The world is full of repressive regimes dont tell me you think the planned invasion of Iran is about dealing with a repressive regime and not about oil profit and zioinist lobbing???

58

What democracies??? we cant even get a decent democracy to grow in the US or the UK.

83

If it wasnt for the French you would be part of the British commonwealth. And the Chinese kicked yer a*ses in Korea on the field of battle.
You were kicked out of Canada by the British on the field of battle. You were kicked out of the
Phillipines by the Japanese on the field of battle.
I have noticed something all of you neocons have in common its a lack of basic intelligence.

84

Why would Al Qaeda or any other extreme Islamic group go all the way to the US to kill Americans when they can quite happily do it on their own door steps???
9/11 surpassed their wildest dreams they now have the Jihad they always wanted. And thanks to Bush they have never been so popular.

86
"Admiral Fallon's retirement fades into unimportance, when Iranian leaders spout:
"the time of the Zionists is over," or that "Israeli ... the fake regime"

What are you slavering about?? Islamic extremists have been threatening Israel for centuries the Admiral resigned only the other day. One has got b*gger all to do with the other. The resignation has massive political significance in that is shows the growing rift between the US administration and its armed forces over foreign policy.

94

Thats right Daithi the officers the men are saluting are usually their own or their allies makes se
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 08:28:46
And if any of you Neohalfwits think yer winning the war on terror then ask yersell why the US is going through an economic downturn? its because the money which should be used domestically has been allocated to the wars in Iraq Afganistan and the so called war on terror. A war you have already lost.
Its costing you the tax payer billions to keep large forces in these countries but you can comfort yourselves with the knowledge that political doners to the republican party are now raking in millions from high oil prices and another enemy of Israel is dead.
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Biker,

Ayr 13/03/2008 11:30:55
Combatvet. many thanks for your comments.
Nanderthal. Time to hibernate for the winter as you seem to becoming rather tired and emotional.
For you information. The US did indeed theaten to blow Cuba off the face of the planet. This is a matter of record. But you also seem to forget that the US also had rockets in Turkey pointed at the USSR.
I have read nowhere that Putin has threatened European countries so perhaps you would let me know where that information comes from, oh and if its FOX news dont bother.
Buy some european papers and try to disseminate truth from fiction before posting.
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Number 6,

Germany 13/03/2008 12:06:27
83# Mike , you live in dream land. Your knowledge of your own constitution is remarkable in it's lack of facts. To say that Saudi Arabia is not as repressive as Iran, is laugh out loud. Even Hilary dressed in a headscarf and was buttoned up to the neck when they came a visiting. Not seen that picture have you ?
taken in the whitehouse during "Bill's" presidency.

Maybe you could quote us the section of the constitution where it says politicians or soldiers are beholding to the President ?. It doesn't , all loyalties are to the constitution and it's protection.

You people really need to do some research away from fox tv. It's becoming really embarrasing reading some of the uninformed drivel coming out of the US.

Remember, you are on a european paper's site, and we are based in the free world, we KNOW what's going on.
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 13:43:15
i might have said it with a tad more venom , but can i associate myself with #108 . stop acting as if europeans are as badly educated as amerikkkans . the ibn saud are non wahaabist liberals dedicated to womens rights ha ha ha do you ever think before you post ?
108

britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 13:52:10
i see the cowardly deleters are at their cowardly trcks, what is it you are scared of? i would always leave your witless ramblings for EVERYONE to see
109

Carolyn 1,

13/03/2008 14:21:21
@ 105 Foulkes Off the CyberNat,Edinburgh
Said to me: “The resignation has massive political significance in that is shows the growing rift between the US administration and its armed forces over foreign policy.”

Here’s a newsflash for you FK: The American Department of Defense, Pentagon, and various Armed Services is a massive bureaucracy. The resignation or transfer of a single person doesn’t make an iota of difference in policy. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

The only effect of the resignation of a general or admiral is the media event/circus that follows it. Back at the Oval Office and Pentagon, it’s business as usual.

Admiral Fallon is nobody and would fade into obscurity, but for one thing: it’s an election year.

When Obama needs to show his military ‘expertise’ up against McCain, he’ll drag Fallon out, use him and either discard him or give him an advisory post, depending on the performance. Don’t you think Fallon sees that? Duh.

Then you said :
58 "What democracies??? we cant even get a decent democracy to grow in the US or the UK."
I've said many times, Democracy isn't easy because it's democracy. Does that concept of for the people by the people go over your head? Our democracy in America is doing quite well thank you. Nobody in this democracy caved in and had to turn the toilets in the prisons so the Muslim prisoners can pee facing the right direction; and last I checked a Catholic can be president in the US, but not the UK. How ironic really-
By the way, can a Muslim hold the top office in UK? Yea right, as if the people would have anything to say about it- that ship already sailed. If anyone objected, he'd be sued, labeled a racist and threatened with is quickly loosing the path of democracy. Good luck.
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Carolyn 1,

13/03/2008 14:23:21
That last paragraph should read:
By the way, can a Muslim hold the top office in UK? Yea right, as if the people would have anything to say about it- that ship already sailed. If anyone objected, he'd be sued, labeled a racist and threatened with death. I agree with you, sadly, the UK is quickly loosing the path of democracy. Good luck.
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Carolyn 1,

13/03/2008 14:48:42
98
britsout, CHAMELEON
i see carolyn 1 is still shocked that anyone could call for the annihilation of the zionist entity . hey let britfree claim that honour , not for the first time in a long life of vicseral anti zionism . i support ANYONE who employs ANY tactic to accomplish that very aim . they stole it all, let them suffer the dessert reserved for theives"

No I'm not shocked, the hatred is spreading because the media supports it.
As for your hatred, that's no surprise Thatscottishwoman.
You are a lizard, aren't you? You can't walk among the popluar crowd, proudly and with honor, because you crawl on the ground, subversively.

A chameleon changes to hide, and to survive, doesn't it?
" Changing color is an expression of the physical and physiological condition of the lizard. The color also plays a part in communication."

Lizards crawl around and support other lizards and snakes, they eat those swarming locusts, Uck.
I can link sites for you to enter chameleon photo contests and how to care for lizards when they have health issues.



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Carolyn 1,

13/03/2008 14:51:04
@1 britsout,camelon 1
Said; "theres been a run on the bank of credulity . amerikkkas cheque bounced . "

Oh, by the way, your check bounced -
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 15:10:33
very good but what does it mean ? lizards are y' doited ? my cheques is good . ask the B o S . i love it when youre angry you get all incoherant and ever so slightly flushed . it suits you. walking ,crawling i know what you mean i think, T S W ? whats all that about ? no, its all just too amerikkkan for me im afraid, your signal is breaking up
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 15:22:40
carolyn ,the vast majority of scottish posters dont feel much ownership of the corrupt political system that is the yuck . if you knew anything about the country whose boards you squat, you'd know that . this week a half witted english lord suggested that scottish people should swear a loyalty oath to the yuck and the english queen , needless to say (except it seems to the amerikkkan types that infest this site) the idea went down like an emission in an elevator , even amongst the non independistas . you dont understand scotland which is why your voice always sounds off true. dont give up though we are a dry humoured people who like the occasional hoot .
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Lynne,

USA 13/03/2008 16:09:55
LHTT...I just said he alone answers the criteria for what he alone posted..a pack of vicious lies, they he tried to say was fact. He is the one that said claimed it.
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Lynne,

USA 13/03/2008 16:11:18
LHTT..stop twisting the words around. I know that is the basis of most of your posts against me, but it is becoming boring and tiresome.
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Carolyn's Shrink,

Couch 13/03/2008 16:15:45
Hi Carolyn!

You were doing so very well at the beginning, well done you! At 20:23 your explorer based Guyus module popped up with the Zionist propaganda story and you dutifully read it, believed it and published it on the nearest forum. Well done you!

But then, at 111 you let the "other" Carolyn in, didn't you? You noticed it, i can tell as in 112 you modified the sentence to include a "nice Carolyn" word, one we practiced a lot. Well done you!

Now, I know that you know the "nasty Carolyn" escaped again when chatting to Britfree. It did, didn't it? It's ok. Don't feel like you failed. It's Thursday and Friday is soooo close, I know. The monkey is a scratchin' and wants its fix a day early. Don't give it. Have faith.

Overall I am very proud of you. You got to Thursday before going off the rails. That's great Carolyn, well done!



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booze monkey,

13/03/2008 16:52:08
120
Carolyn's Shrink

Leave me alone until Monday morning, I'm busy now.
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booze monkey,

13/03/2008 16:55:18
118
Lynne

#stop twisting#

you wanna twist?

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Carolyn's Shrink,

Couch 13/03/2008 16:57:33
121
booze monkey

You can't have her, you hear!??!? She's mine, all mine!

We had a deal, remember? You get her on Friday nights and the nice Carolyn, that beautiful woman, can blossom on Monday and wilt on Thursday. You stay away until tomorrow night, you hear!
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booze monkey,

13/03/2008 17:10:50
Shrinky

Get off my back, or I'll get on yours.
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 17:31:38
i like her best in 4 different tartans the ones that belong to her family . i didnt realise she was UNDER the doctor though. i would have been more repectful . anyway knock yourselves out britfrees lift is here . wee bit smashing balls at the driving range and then a curry at the best curry house in glasgow . naw no the kohi noor , are yez daft ?
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booze monkey,

13/03/2008 17:37:13
britsout

That'll be the MacHinery, MacHiavelli, MacAroon, and MacAssar then.

No the MacAllan?
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mike - across the pond,

britsNout and number 6 13/03/2008 19:09:57
the US military is part of the EXECUTIVE branch of the government... as defined in our constitution... psst look at article 2 section 2... first sentence...
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt did you stutter while reading or something? did you MISS the point??? HOW much more clearly would you like it stated??? ignorance of the militaries chain of accountablity is NO excuse... (hell you cant even trot out the lame "he was air force... it doesnt mention air force"").

you BOTH are WRONG...

as far as comparing the liberalities of civil rights in Iran and Saudi Arabia please take the time to point out to me where I stated one was leaps and bounds ahead of the other... HOWEVER...

oh, and britsNout, by the way please explain THIS one... http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=arabian-brainpower or if you dont like Scientific American... try THIS one... http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=105615&d=14&m=1&y=2008
how does THAT fit in the "strict wahabbi" you claim is the way of the MODERN saudi royal family? granted this is a brand new endowment for a brand new university... but it sure doesnt bear the earmarkings of a strict wahabi school of learning... now DOES it???

oh and britsNout... apparently I DO read... you might try not licking the pages of the book before you try READING it... I know those links all use words that are too big for your inbred little brain.... (here is where I'd smack you both on the back of your pointed heads) dont they... lol I just lack the time and energy to filter down to mono-sylablic internet posts for those who refuse to become educated...
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Carolyn 1,

13/03/2008 20:00:10
@116 Lizard
said: "carolyn ,the vast majority of scottish posters dont feel much ownership of the corrupt political system that is the yuck."

I should hope not.
Scots are not fans of lizards.

Then the lizard said: "if you knew anything about the country whose boards you squat, you'd know that. this week a half witted english lord suggested that scottish people should swear a loyalty oath to the yuck and the english queen ,you dont understand scotland which is why your voice always sounds off true. "

Well, I hate to break it to you, but Scotland has been toeing the line to England for 400 years, what's new about an oath?
Americans toe the line to no one, we kneel to no one, we swear only to a constitution by the people for the people. We call it independence. We also call it democracy.



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mike - across the pond,

folkes.... 13/03/2008 20:04:42
democracy?

please contemplate the following

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

go back and find the 16th word (its REPUBLIC, in case you (or I) miscounted)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/democracy
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/republic

by definition a strict democracy could not function on the scale of the US or UK or even a city government...
practicality states that a republic or "representative democracy" is the best we can do... (and is even implied in the definition of democracy) it is simply beyond the capability of any person this side of god to keep on top of all the issues and decisions that government faces every day...

OURS is fucntioning just fine...

if YOURS lacks the characteristics you would like... convince your neighbors that YOU can do a better job... RUN for office... and CHANGE IT...

either that or throw up your hands and leave as my ancestors did 140 years ago... get in line to come over here... at least your posterity might have the chance at a FUNCTIONAL democracy...

shiftless ignorance is no excuse

recreational whining while cathartic should at least bear SOME relation with reality...
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Carolyn 1,

13/03/2008 20:15:45
@119,120,121,121,123,124,125,126,127,128

-new versions of the Lizards multiple personalities of chameleon changing colors, plus the back-up team.
Sorta like a singer who can't sing and has to have back-up to peform.
All that dancing around trying to get noticed...

Oh, by the way, who ever is the poet Finnnking, don't give up the day job; in the US, the top ten poetry books published last year sold a grand total of about 125 copies. Not a quick way to be famous or rich.

In real life, you'd be on the Criminal Court Docket in the morning, so be careful what you say to whom; being a sex offender can wreck havoc with your financial planning and housing

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Carolyn 1,

13/03/2008 20:34:56
@126, and @128

here's an idea-
while you're on the couch, if your wonderful health insurance over there will pay for it without waiting a month or two, ask for a chiropractor- I'm concerned you've had a spinectomy.
If the chiropractor can't find your spine maybe he can give you one;
if it hasn't been removed, maybe he can give you a spinal adjustment

President J.F .Kennedy, a 1st Lieutenant had a lot of back problems due to his heroism in WWII, but was still able to stand down Russia - I believe his spine was steel.
If Kennedy were President I don't think Iran would be smiling too much.

Good luck on finding your spine and with the realignment.
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John Blackley,

Florida 13/03/2008 20:36:44
I have an idea!

How about the Scotsman sponsors a day when posts to its comments columns must be free of personal attack and insult?

Oh, okay. You're right. There'd be no point in having comments columns that day.
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booze monkey,

13/03/2008 20:44:13
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John Blackley

"I have an idea!"

I'll drink to that!
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CombatVet68,

New Babylon (fmr 13/03/2008 20:49:21
We all live collectively in a world with great diversity of thought and ideology. Yet, even with mans tremendous growth in knowledge since the mid 1900's, the world is full of violence and the wanton slaughter of many continues. It is written: "In the last days mans knowledge shall be greatly increased." But even with this great knowledge, which has brought about tremendous technological achievements, mankind still lacks the "wisdom" to solve his social problems.

We bicker amongst ourselves over foolish and moronic issues, failing to recognize the true root of the problem's which face us all. Many fail to understand that mankind is on the verge of horrific events which will wipe out over 2/3rds of the world population. The slaughter will reach ever nation. Yet we argue over who should be our "leader", who is the "golden boy' who can represent our interests best. When in truth, none of them can alter or change the future of this world.

There's a "cancer" which is eating away at the moral fabric of this world and it is called "sin". We call good evil and evil good, (i.e., Abortions, homosexuality, lying politicians we keep electing to political office, murder of innocents, etc.,).

We openly witness trends which are moving to remove all reference to God from our public and political life. Judges turn the guilty free because of technicalities which are absurd, Presidents pardon presidents and high ranking officials for criminal wrongs, while the common man can't afford to pay for competent legal counsel. We see a judicial system that is no longer concerned with justice, but more concerned about winning or losing.

Most of you fail to even understand the times in which you live. Life is good, plenty of food, a home, cars, toys, all the pleasures of life. Yet you are dead in your sins. When will you wake up and see whats coming? When will you realize that you can't fix the problems?
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Carolyn's Shrink,

Couch 13/03/2008 20:54:09
My dear '

I sometimes feel that songs help

Image marred by self-infliction
Private wars on my soul waged
Heart is scarred by dual volitions
Juxtaposed and both engaged
Kindle flame, a test of faith
Pray help me see it through
I put all my trust in you

Refine hate and love
Fall afresh on me
End this crisis of
Identity

Draw this darkness out like poison
Stab, retrieve, again decline
Help me drive the dagger deeper
Trace with me explicit line
Take this blade, a test of faith,
And strike me deep and true
I put all my trust in you

Refine hate and love
Fall afresh on me
End this crisis of
Identity

This is my voice, all shadows stayed this is my heart, upon the altar laid
Please take all else away, hear my cry, I beg, I plead, I pray
I'll walk into the flame, a calculated risk to further bless your name
So strike me deep and true, and in your strength I will live and die both unto you.
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Michael F. Moore,

13/03/2008 23:00:29
How strange, where is Doreen the troll detector? It must not suit her needs to call radical socialist trolls like that at #140 a troll or the many other ones from the FH site a troll, I've heard she has tunnel vision.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 13/03/2008 23:10:39
#118 Lynne

You chided me by posting:

"LHTT..stop twisting the words around. I know that is the basis of most of your posts against me, but it is becoming boring and tiresome".

....I'm awfully sorry. I will endeavour to make my future posts more scintillatingly interesting for you.

But Lynne, because of your blinkered, maybe even one eyed views, you are so easy to shoot down.

I can well understand why my posts annoy you so much.



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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 14/03/2008 02:22:02
# 143 Doreen

"Is someone trolling your name, you are not making any sense".

.....I think you are Lynne in disguise.
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britsout,

camelon 14/03/2008 12:27:21
is carolyn o k ? she seems a tad unwell . has someone lost the keys to the med. cupboard ? her fixation with lizards for instance . where did it come from ?
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Biker,

Ayr 14/03/2008 12:42:17
Again Combatvet, well said and I agree with you in part.
It is time to take a collective look at the world and its problems. Take a look at www.theelders.com. very interesting.
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Carolyn 1,

14/03/2008 13:22:49
@119,120,121,121,123,124,125,126,127,128,135,136,138,
@ Lizard Brit Chameleon 145 and flee circus:

Here's a video:

you:http://www.touristpictures.com/foodfight/cheat.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-yldqNkGfo

(The first link will tell you who is who)
It opens with the Germans slaughtering the Jewish, then the French just moving aside..

At the end, we die from a suicide bomber. Bugs and crawlies are the only survivors.

This is why I deplore you and people like you:
Because of the propaganda that you breed, because your hatred is so intense, because you need to be the center of attention no matter the cost to the world around you, because you're psychologically unbalanced and willing to be a suicidal bomber or brainwash another to do it for you- you're destroying the world as we know it.

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Carolyn 1,

14/03/2008 13:32:06
@119,120,121,121,123,124,125,126,127,128,135,136,138,
@ Lizard Brit Chameleon 145 and flee circus:

I see Finnking deleted his poem to me at Post 119. Hmmm. Nothing new about him and the flee circus deleting and denying, disrupting.

Google the 'poem' at 140 and you'll see it was plagiarized. None of the flees and lizards would have brains without google.
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bill2,

14/03/2008 14:26:35
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Carolyn 1

"At the end, we die from a suicide bomber. Bugs and crawlies are the only survivors."

Well, nothing for you to worry about then.
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bill2,

14/03/2008 15:16:44
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Troll
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bikewoman,

14/03/2008 15:18:47
I wish bill2 would stop ruining these threads.
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britsout,

camelon 14/03/2008 16:54:07
carolyn defender of the free world . i hope the world you defend recieves grief unending till it delivers justice to the zionists, ( it'll involve a rope ).
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57Nomad,

california 15/03/2008 22:11:46
#73 GC

GC said:

"And there is no second 9/11 on the horizon ..not yet anyway."

Maybe you didn't notice but there was no 9/11 on the horizon until 9/11. These things are often not detectable in advance, if they were then they wouldn't have happened. Terrorist acts don't have a horizon, they happen completely unexpectedly. Comprende, muchacho?
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I. am. become. death. the. destroyer. of. worlds.,

29/04/2008 16:36:24

tick tock tick tock tick tock...

 

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