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Published Date: 30 September 2008
WALL Street plummeted by nearly 780 points in its largest one-day drop last night, as proposed American legislation to bail out troubled banks and kick-start the global economy was rejected by the US House of Representatives.
The price of oil slumped and global financial meltdown loomed after the bill pushed by the Bush administration was voted down.

The vote was held open until the last minute, as desperate efforts continued to persuade members to change their minds.

However, that failed and legislators were forced to accept the bill in its current form was dead.

George Bush, the US president, said he was "disappointed" by the rejection of the bail-out.

He added: "We put forth a plan that was big because we've got a big problem. Our strategy is to continue to address this economic situation head-on, and we'll be working to develop a strategy that will enable us to continue to move forward."

And Henry Paulson, the US Treasury Secretary, said the bill was "too important to simply let fail".

He added: "Markets around the world are under stress and that reduces the availability of credit which businesses across America depend on.

I will continue to work with congressional leaders to find a way forward to pass a comprehensive plan to stabilise our financial system and protect the American people by limiting the prospects of further deterioration in our economy."

On Wall Street yesterday, share prices plunged dramatically as investors followed developments in Congress.

The House rejected – by 228 votes to 205 – the bill that would have authorised the US Treasury department to spend up to $700 billion (£380 billion) to buy "broken" mortgage-backed bonds from banks.

The proposed legislation had been seen as the potential saviour of dwindling share prices around the world, as it would have jump-started stalled capital markets. Such was its importance that it had seen Mr Paulson down on one knee in Congress, begging Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, to help pass it. Republicans last night blamed a partisan speech by Ms Pelosi, a Democrat, for the bill's failure.

She had said: "This isn't about a bail-out of Wall Street; it's a buy-in, so that we can turn our economy around."

Her words were perceived as a criticism of the Republicans' stewardship of the economy under Mr Bush.

John Boehner, the Republican minority leader in the House, said Ms Pelosi had "poisoned" the debate with her contribution.

He added: "Regardless of what happened today, we've no choice in my view but to work together to try to find a solution to make sure we save our economy and we save our constituencies."

However, Congressman Jim Clyburn, the Democratic whip, accused Republicans of putting "political ideology ahead of the interests of our great country". He said: "Americans are angry, and so are my colleagues. They don't want to have to vote for a bill like this.

But I have concerns about what this means for the American people, what it means for our economy and what it means for people's jobs."

Democrat Barney Frank, the chairman of the house financial services committee, also said he was shocked that the Republicans had put themselves before their country because of "hurt feelings" over the Pelosi speech.

After the vote, Barack Obama, the Democrats' presidential candidate, urged both sides in Congress to "step up to the plate, get (a deal] done".

He added: "I'm confident we're going to get there. It's going to be a little rocky."

Before yesterday's dramatic rejection, Mr Bush had said the deal, agreed by Democratic and Republican negotiators on Capitol Hill over the weekend, was "urgently needed to address a crisis in our financial system that threatens the entire US economy". Both his potential successors, Mr Obama and John McCain, had cautiously backed the proposal after it dominated the White House race last week.

Stocks started plummeting on Wall Street even before the result of the vote was announced. At one point, the Dow Jones was down as much as 705 points, as traders prepared for the worst.

But not even that staggering collapse was enough to marshal support from the majority of the House, as members shouted "Order!" in a plea to end the vote and deal the financial rescue a death blow.

News of the plummeting Dow Jones average was shouted across the floor as legislators crowded into the House during a tense roll call, which dragged on for 40 minutes.

Behind the scenes, leaders on both sides scrambled to corral enough of their rank-and-file members to support the deeply unpopular measure.

The vote had been preceded by unusually aggressive White House lobbying, and Mr Bush's spokesman Tony Fratto said the president had used a "call list" of people he wanted to persuade to vote yes, up to a short time before the ballot. As the vote was shown on TV, stocks plunged instantly and investors fled to the safety of the credit markets.

Chris Johnson, the president of Johnson Research Group, said: "Clearly, something needs to be done, and the market dropping 400 points in ten minutes is telling you that. This isn't a market for the timid."

The markets remained volatile, with the Dow regaining ground to trade at a loss of about 360, then falling back again, and ending at 777.68 points, or 6.98 per cent down.

Last night, Gordon Brown pledged to do "whatever is necessary" to protect Britain's financial system.

The Prime Minister said the failure of the plan was "very disappointing", but insisted the UK government was taking "decisive action" to tackle problems.

David Cameron – in Birmingham for the Tory conference – said the main parties in Britain should "learn lessons" from the collapse of the US deal.

Vince Cable, the Lib Dems' Treasury spokesman, said: "Markets have invested heavily in this bail-out. It would be amazing if there wasn't a very sharp fall (today]."

IN QUOTES

"Mr Bush is very disappointed."

Deputy press secretary Tony Fratto


"I am very disappointed."

Hank Paulson, US Treasury Secretary

"Very disappointing."

PM Gordon Brown

"Democrats, Republicans, step up to the plate, get it done."

Barack Obama, presidential candidate


"If we fail to do the right thing, heaven help us."

Paul Ryan, Republican representative


"Things could get nasty."

Justin Urquhart Stewart, of Seven Investment Management


"Those who have voted No have engaged their backsides rather than their brains."

Analyst David Buik, of Cantor Index

"You were being asked to choose between financial meltdown and the road to socialism, in 24 hours."

Jeb Hensarling, Republican.

"We delivered our side of the bargain."

Nancy Pelosi, Speaker.

"This is a flaming pile of s***."

Democratic aide.


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1

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 30/09/2008 00:37:32
Considering Pelosi had talked up the need for a bipartisan approach (as had everyone else) she then opened her mouth to castigate Bush & the republicans in the strongest terms right before the vote.

How incredibly stupid can you get! It seemed that the majority of Americans didn't want this bailout and so many in congress didn't want to vote yes. Why did Pelosi break the bipartisanship when it was going to be so close? Incredibly stupid or deliberately not wanting it to work?

Perhaps it wouldn't have been voted through anyway despite her stupidity.

A novelty anyway. Politicians seemingly listening to voters. Never happens over here.
2

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

30/09/2008 00:48:49
#1: What went wrong and why, in plain language:

http://www.iamone.co.uk/2007/12/01/when-mortgages-buy-the-farm/
3

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 30/09/2008 00:55:22
#1 wrote:
'I have never heard it adequately explained, why the Banks have all this "Toxic" debt.'

One reason is derivatives. See http://www.juliangough.com/journal/2007/2/27/debt-derivatives-a-prediction.html
for an example.
4

Scullion,

Canada 30/09/2008 01:18:52
Americans fighting socialism in their own backyard?
Oh yes, AIG.
Forget that I mentioned it.
5

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30/09/2008 02:37:37
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6

Ursus arctos horribilis,

30/09/2008 03:28:22
History will look back on the events of the last week in the US as being just as momentous as the fall of the Berlin Wall was almost twenty years ago.

The latter marked the end of Soviet Communism -albeit it had been a long-time coming and was inevitable. The recent events in the US mark the end of US economic dominance-and this too has been on the cards for some time -an unsustainable trade deficit as the US has lived beyond its means for several decades coupled with a debt financed economy-a recipe for disaster.Thank-you Mr Greenspan.

Move over Uncle Sam there is a new world order taking shape.

As for the UK -I dont want to even think about it-with that idiot Brown in charge it is just too awful to contemplate!
7

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 30/09/2008 03:28:45
# 8. I am no economist and my opinion means little. However for what it is worth I do agree with you.

I will always remember the little saying "over time money will always be returned to its rightful owners."

I wonder what will happen when the short selling ban is over??


All the best.
8

mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 30/09/2008 04:07:37
All you folks who are using the phrase "New World Order"
are sort of giving me the creeps actually.
For anybody who doesn't know the full significance of the words "New World Order", I recommend finding out.
There's no doubt about who is orchestrating this crisis, and why they're doing it.

""The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole...Their secret is that they have annexed from governments, monarchies, and republics the power to create the world's money..."
(Prof.Carroll Quigley)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley

http://citizine.org/politics/politics-0409_nwo_piccone.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1583154561904832383&ei=AZbhSNDkAYauiAL8pbyaCw&q=money+masters+part+1

9

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 30/09/2008 04:11:57
Ironic that those who seek to control society through indebtedness are going bust themselves !?

The monetary system is/was a farce at any rate - there is no value to money other than that which you attach to it. When money is no longer based on a commodity but essentially based on 'confidence' then you enter a whole new realm of fantasy economics ... the backside of which will shortly be exposed to most of the poor and middle classes ...
10

mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 30/09/2008 04:15:38
"Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."
(H.G. Wells)
11

mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 30/09/2008 04:27:40
#13

"Ironic that those who seek to control society through indebtedness are going bust themselves !?"

Only the lower-level suckers are going bust.
I don't think the real banking elite of this world are going to go bust anytime soon.
Unless we remove their ability to lend out imaginary money and charge interest on it.

""Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ."
(Josiah Stamp, former director of the Bank of England)
12

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 30/09/2008 05:36:22
12
mk-ultra,
Edinburgh

Hey Dude .
Look very carefully at the US one dollar bill ($1). and u will see "new world order" hidden in its front face.

Its tough to find it but its there.

GC
13

LatinLover,

USA 30/09/2008 05:43:42
This is one possible explanation for the crisis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY

Note: A first version of the video was taken down once it reached just bellow 1 million hits (reason: copyrights violation lawsuit!!!???)
14

Pilrig,

Livingston 30/09/2008 05:56:13
We're doomed (yawn)
15

Pilrig,

Livingston 30/09/2008 05:59:01
16 - yep, if only the country had stood by McConnell : )
16

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 30/09/2008 06:18:02
18
LatinLover,
USA

Dude,

THEMOUTHPIECE, releases scores of videos , some are boring, some interesting , some loaded with misinformation, some politically screwed.

Look only are the real thing not the manufactured stuff, Which is frequently appealing and cleverly done.

Adios

GC
17

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Australia 30/09/2008 07:02:25
Hello All, I am just an ordinary bloke, Father of 4 Grandfather of 3 and a half, I have spent most of my life as a Marine engineer/consultant and also studied oceanography.....NOW, CAN I ASK YOU, WHO IS RESPONCIBLE FOR THIS MESS, ARE THEY GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO TASK OR ARE THEY JUST SITTING BACK COUNTING THEIR? MONEY, IN THIS MODERN ELECTRONIC/TECHNICAL WORLD OF OURS WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE SEE IT COMING, nobody bails out the working person when they can't pay their bills, TO HELL WITH THE LOT OF THEM, I am really pis..d off. goodbye cruel world I'm off to join the circus.
18

albanman,

30/09/2008 07:14:12
No.23 Rabhairt: "An ordinary bloke" ...who has studied oceanography and worked as a marine engineer+consultant? Hardly your ordinary bloke on the street.
19

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 30/09/2008 07:20:01
Wendy Alexander would have saved us...;)
20

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 30/09/2008 07:36:31
The New World Order is about One World Government by Bankers who own all the former State assets. Read Barry Smith's books 'Warning', Second Warning', Last Warning & I Spy with my little eye'.
21

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 30/09/2008 07:42:07
"Global crash"?

What is at the end of that?

A return to common sense? For a while perhaps. The big wheel turns, what goes around and all that.
22

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 30/09/2008 07:42:25
Barry Smith wrote these books decades ago, but he knew where we were heading. He has been dead a few years now. He will be looking down saying 'I told you so'.
23

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Australia 30/09/2008 07:43:42
#24 albanman. Yeh I think I qualify as an ordinary bloke, everything I have got out of life I worked my guts out to pay for, I don't own any shares and I love my beer, football and cricket.
24

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 30/09/2008 07:48:46
Governments have been corpratising then privatising State assets, selling them off to those who pull their strings i.e. Bankers. Beware
25

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 30/09/2008 07:58:52
As a columnist in yesterday's Telegraph said, claiming that capitalism is flawed because some people abused it is like saying that democracy is flawed because Hitler abused it.
26

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 30/09/2008 08:04:36
See www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/neworder.htm
27

paulr,

edinburgh 30/09/2008 08:07:16
It all comes down to greed in the end,
our building societies were all mutual funds to begin with, then they got greedy, if we float as a public company we can sell shares and fill our pockets.
The government allowed them to do it so that now we do not have building societies or mutual funds anymore we just have loads of failing banks. Of course all those greedy buy-to-rent types didnt help the situation either.
But, saying that I will (and i say will because it will happen) be most annoyed when the fatcat directors and other parasites walk away with a nice profit from any rescue plan which goes ahead.
28

Linda,

Edinburgh 30/09/2008 08:23:43
When will Scottish press publicise Short sellers that back Labour...
Paul Myners is a director of the hedge fund manager GLG, which with $25 billion under management is one of europe's biggest hedge fund managers. It was until recently 10% owned by Lehmans. Paul Myners gave money to Gordon Brown's leadership campaign and he also gave money to Gordon Brown's think-tank the Smith Institute. Gordon rewarded him with appointments to the Treasury's pension review.

Derek Tullet has also given huge amounts of money to the Labour Party. Tullet's broking firm specialises in servicing hedge funds who want to go short stocks and derivatives.

Gilad Hayeem of the Lehman Brothers backed $2 billion hedge fund, Marble Bar Asset Management (Cayman), contributed to Hilary Benn's deputy leadership campaign.

There are plenty more "evil speculators" who have backed the Labour Party. Just in case you are wondering why Labour is silent..
29

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 30/09/2008 08:25:33
Has anyone else noticed how much power is wielded by our unelected prime ministers compared to the elected presidents of the USA ?
Forced amalgamation or nationalisation of businesses, overriding of competition commission and all in secret as well.
Should maybe give us cause for concern when the dust on the bank crises starts to settle.
30

Scunner,

Bonnie Scotland 30/09/2008 08:31:45
The banks deserve all they get and should be left to fend on their own. We have seen lots of irresponsible lending which contributed huge profits to the banks and pushed house prices up so that normal folk could not afford them. What goes around comes around!!
31

scottish person,

paisley 30/09/2008 08:58:06
It is time to stop irresponsible capitalists from running the countries. I would not trust them to run an errand
32

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 30/09/2008 09:11:36
Globally, the people and their resources are under the control off a global legalised gangersterism and will NEVER change; unless people worldwide decide, ENOUGH is ENOUGH!
33

JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian 30/09/2008 09:18:33
Is this economic crisis, a direct by-product of the policies pursued by Reagan and Thatcher in the 1980's?
34

scottish person,

paisley 30/09/2008 09:20:02
Wattie'
You are dead right, enough is enough.
35

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

30/09/2008 09:33:26
#2 I agree with for once - Pelosi's speech was the biggest piece of partisanship ever. Instead of offering leadership on the issue and reaching a compromise that would have kept most people happy she decides to play party political games with the issue.
36

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

30/09/2008 09:44:26
No doubt the ultra-leftists are having a field day over this issue - the truth is that neither full blown capitalism or communism are the answers to the day-to-day economic problems we face. As the old Polish proverb says:

"Under capitalism man exploits man; under communism the reverse is true."

The free marketeers fail to understand that markets can and do fail and that some markets only work through government action. Equally, the state capitalist approach has been shown to be neither efficient not very productive.

A balance between state intervention and laissez-faire is required. It seems to me that with individuals failing to take responsibility for their own irresponsible actions that at the moment we have to err on the side of state intervention. The nanny state dictating credit levels and regulations is necessary because we as individuals seem incapable of doing it ourselves. As Mahatma Ghandi said:

"Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed."
37

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 30/09/2008 09:54:37
38 Linda
You are missing the point. It was Alex Salmond who called short sellers "spivs" ony to discover that his own adviser George Mathewson and his own pension fund are involved in short selling. The reaon for highlighting these is to illustrate Alex Salmonds hypocrisy.
Gordon Brown stopped short selling temporarily to help stabilise the markets but he did not insult them in the way Alex Salmond did.
38

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 30/09/2008 10:18:16
I suggest that those who have not succumbed to the PANIC OF 2008 read the LAST DAYS OF AMERICA by Paul Erdman

Prof Ravi Bahtra also makes for interesting reading

Perhaps they write to entertain!?
39

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 30/09/2008 10:21:25
A question that has always bothered me is why do we follow the markets like sheep.

MATT in the Daily Telewgraph drew a brilliant cartoon of a sheep sitting between two trader at their screens saying that he was just following the nmarket.

Surely we are not lemmings, or are we?
40

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

30/09/2008 10:30:23
#50 Reminds me of the old Steve Bell cartoon with the penguin in the LSE. One trader offers another a sweet - he takes a big handful.

"Don't be so selfish, Geoff!!" he shouts back.

"Sell fish, sell fish!!" shouts the penguin through a magaphone - and so they do - selling fish stocks!!
41

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 30/09/2008 10:30:42
#1:

"They once held all the aces, If you default on a loan they kept the collateral that you put up in order to get the loan in the first place."

Only if it is a secured loan, like a mortgage. If it's an unsecured debt there's not a lot they can do without taking legal action---which in turn costs them money, money which they might never recover. Let's face it, the reason people default on loans is generally because they can't meet the payments.

In the case of unsecured debt, they sell it on for a percentage of its value to recovery agencies and wash their hands of the matter.

The voting down of this rescue proposal is the first correct thing that politicians have done in the last 10 years or so. the banks have lent more money out than they have. The banks have taken unacceptable risks. It is not the responsibility of the tax-payer to bail them out, even if the government share part of the blame because they allowed the situation to develop in the first place instead of legislating.

Even Russia now have the right idea. Hopefully we are going to see a bit of common sense in politics now, after 10 years of madness.
42

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 30/09/2008 10:38:24
#34, #36, Adam Smith supported the New World Order / One World Government. Control of the system is by the bankers. It is easy to buy up assets formerly owned by the State if you loose everybody elses money but not your own money. Assets are sold cheaply to the only buyer.
43

Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 30/09/2008 11:00:50
I heard on the News this morning that the vote on the Bill in the USA could not be re-run until Thursday at the earliest because of the Jewish New Year !! What next? Postpone vital measures until the end of Ramadan?

Surely urgent financial measures of world importance take precedence over religious sentimentalities.
44

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 30/09/2008 11:10:41
That "waste of oxygen", as another poster has labelled him - you know, GC from CA - is posting his usual pallid palaver AGAIN!

Go away! We don't want your comments - and I am not the ONLY poster who finds you to be a tiresome, tedious, and superannuated throwback to the drug-infested sixties.

Read a book, listen to music, watch television, stare at the stars - anything but post here.

You are irrelevant to present needs.
45

Jay Kay,

30/09/2008 13:11:25
Dear George I have a way out of your mess, its simple, put a gun to your head and pull the trigger, I havent put this idea forward until now for fear you might, (knowing your luck) miss and hit the iranian ambassador.

Please People of the good ol US of A Dont vote this plan through, its just a thinly veiled plot to let the big *ankers of the hook, lets get it all out in the open and see who goes to jail, in the sixties, if you did a bank job for a couple of thou you got life, these guys are walking away whistling with millions of taxpayers dollars in their pockets.

Its like something out of a Laurel and Hardy sketch but with real implications for the world economy.
46

Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks Californication 30/09/2008 13:20:29
21 & 46. I don't see what she said that was so bad! Of course I don't know of anything she has ever said that has been so good. Did you all hear that Dreamworks is moving again, financed by an Indian Investor!! Sweet dreams.
47

Nellie,

Liverpool 30/09/2008 15:13:47
Ummmm... what some of you seem to have missed is that the banks (and next the building societies) cannot recover debts from the security of properties since property values have crashed. Esp B/socs are going to be left not being able to recover the value of their loans as debtors give over the house keys ... Time to spread the nest eggs over several baskets ... but where is safe? National Savings?
48

George.,

Galashiels 30/09/2008 15:33:15
44. No it's not.
In another example of the power of the Internet to move public perception, a video that shows how the Democrats caused the current financial crises has nearly 850,000 views just hours after being linked to by The Drudge Report.

Updated (092908) to 850,000 views.

The YouTube video titled, "Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?" is not so much a political piece as it is a timeline of what actually happened to cause the banking and credit crises.

It really comes down to a push by Democrats including Obama to force lenders to give creative (sub-prime, zero interest, balloon payment) loans to people who otherwise would not have qualified because of low income and bad credit. This caused a huge demand for homes pushing the prices to historic highs.

Unfortunately, as Republicans predicted including John McCain, so many of these loans failed to be paid back and with hundred's of thousands of foreclosures all at once the housing bubble burst. This caused a spiraling effect because these bad mortgages were sold as part of a financial product called mortgage backed securities.

I could go on but the end result is that the house of cards that the Democrats built collapsed and because the media is in their corner only videos like this on YouTube that are linked to by a maverick like Matt Drudge brink the truth to light.
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/09/27/youtube-video-causes-stir-by-showing-how-democrats-caused-crisis
49

Mcsnagpile,

30/09/2008 17:41:38
Here we go again financial WMD.
50

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 30/09/2008 18:11:29
57
Billy Boy,
Sherman Oaks Californication

Hey Dude for all the talking heads here who did not see the Palin/Couric interview . Here it is verbatim .
----------------------------------------------

BS anchorwoman Katie Couric did a joint interview Monday in Ohio with Republican candidates John McCain and Sarah Palin, and McCain came out denouncing "gotcha journalism" as he defended his running mate in the portion that aired on the CBS Evening News.

With McCain and Palin sitting side by side, the first flareup came when Couric asked Palin about a statement the candidate made over the weekend that the U.S. should launch attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan to "stop the terrorists from coming any further in."

In that comment, Palin seemed to voicing the same position McCain had attacked his opponent, Barack Obama, for stating in their debate on Friday.

"So, Gov. Palin, are you two (she and McCain) on the same page?" Couric asked.

"...We will do what we have to do to secure the United Sates and her allies," Palin said.

"Is that something you shouldn't say out loud, Sen. McCain?" Couric asked.

"Of course not," McCain snapped. "But look, I understand this day and age gotcha journalism... Grab a phrase. Gov. Palin and I agree that you don't announce that you're going to attack another country."

"Are you sorry you said it?" Couric asked returning to Palin.

"Wait a minute," McCain said interrupting. "Before you say is she sorry she said it, this was a gotcha sound bite that...

"It wasn't a gotcha," Couric insisted. "She was talking to a voter."

"No," McCain insisted back, "she was in a conversation with a group of people talking back and forth, and I'll let Gov. Palin speak for herself."

When Couric asked Palin what she learned "from that experience," the candidate replied, "That this is all about gotcha journalism...."

Couric was again focused and forceful in her questioning: "Gov. Palin, since our last interview, you have go
51

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 30/09/2008 18:15:09
#61 cont'd....

Couric was again focused and forceful in her questioning:
"Gov. Palin, since our last interview, you have gotten a lot of flak. Some Republicans have said you are not prepared, you're not ready for prime time... And I'm curious to hear your reaction."

"Well, not only am I ready but willing and able to serve as vice president with Sen. McCain if Americans so bless us and privilege us with the opportunity of serving them -- ready with my executive experience as a city mayor and manager, as a governor, as a commissioner, a regulator of oil and gas,

And again, McCain stepped in to defend his running mate.

"This is not the first time I've seen a governor being questioned by some quote expert," he said making qotation marks with his fingers.

"I remember that Ronald Reagan was a 'cowboy'. President Clinton was a governor of a very small state that had 'no experience' either. I remember how easy it was going to be for Bush I to defeat him.

I still recall, whoops, that one. But the point is that I've seen underestimation before. I'm very proud of the excitement that Gov. Palin has ignited with this party around this country."

Judge for tourselves dudes.

GC
52

LatinLover,

30/09/2008 18:36:18

This crisis has been long time coming and it's not only a problem caused by greedy banks and bank owners. It's politics and failed attempts to do social engineering. Look up what ACORN and its lawyers like Obama did to banks that refused to lend to low income families.. They sued them.
They twisted arms at major banks to make loans to people who were not credit worthy for social engineering, & pushed an insane socialist agenda, as always, for 'the poor',. Charity is good, but socialist-style charity banking is insane and will make us all poor!
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Rami,

Derry, New Hampshire U.S. 30/09/2008 20:25:05
If I were a Congressman, I too, would vote "NO".
Our current Pres., is a "lameduck outgoing PT."
Too much smiles and promises of quick financial re-birth. I say again, not with our Taxed $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$.

 

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