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Published Date: 09 November 2009
AFTER a week of urgent and angered debate surrounding Britain's role in Afghanistan, the nation momentarily fell silent yesterday to honour those who have died in conflicts both past and present.
Thousands of people around the country gathered to commemorate Remembrance Sunday, while servicemen and women in Helmand Province paid tribute to those colleagues who had laid down their lives.

On a day set aside for reflection, originally introduced to remember those who died for peace and freedom in the Great War, the focus of the 91st annual Remembrance Sunday inexorably fell upon ongoing conflicts.

Shortly before 8am yesterday, the Ministry of Defence confirmed a grim milestone with the death of a soldier serving with 2nd Battalion, The Rifles. Killed in an explosion near Sangin in central Helmand on Saturday, the serviceman, who has not been named, became the 200th British soldier to be killed in action during the Afghan conflict.

Late yesterday afternoon, the MoD announced the death of another soldier, from 4th Battalion, The Rifles. Families of both soldiers have been informed.

The two latest deaths bring to 232 the number of British troops who have died in Afghanistan since the mission began in October 2001, including those killed by accidents or illnesses.

Lieutenant-Colonel David Wakefield, a spokesman for Task Force Helmand, paid tribute to both soldiers last night, saying they would "not be forgotten".

At services around the country yesterday, turnout was high. On a crisp, cloudless Sunday morning in Glasgow the crowds were a dozen deep, with relatives of serving personnel and young families standing shoulder to shoulder with veterans.

Elsewhere, familiar faces from commemorations past were absent with Bill Stone, Henry Allingham, and Harry Patch – the three last known British veterans of the First World War who still resided in the UK – all having died in the past 12 months.

In London, the Queen laid a wreath at the Cenotaph, while Alex Salmond led Scotland's memorial services, laying a wreath at the Stone of Remembrance in Edinburgh.

The first service of the day, however, took place on a dusty patch of open ground at Camp Bastion, where about 2,000 men and women from the Army, Navy, and Royal Air Force stood in the wind to hear their padre, the Reverend Richard Downes, lead them in prayer for fallen comrades.

"For a lot of young people Remembrance Sunday used to be about what happened to granddad," he said afterwards. "But now it's about what's happening to us."

A single cannon shot marked the start of a minute's silence for fallen soldiers and two buglers played the traditional Last Post.

At the British base in Lashkar Gah, hundreds more soldiers gathered to hear Padre Mark Christian, the senior chaplain of 11 Light Brigade, say that those in attendance were committed to "the cause of peace and justice throughout the world".

As is traditional, at the Cenotaph in Whitehall, the Queen, clad in a black coat against the autumn chill, placed the first wreath.

Despite leaden skies, the rain held off as the monarch was followed in placing wreaths by the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Harry – on behalf of the Prince of Wales who is on an official visit to Canada – and Prince William. More wreaths were also placed by the Duke of York, the Earl of Wessex, the Princess Royal and the Duke of Kent.

They were followed by Prime Minister Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Foreign Secretary David Miliband, high commissioners from Commonwealth countries and defence chiefs.

"We will never forget the sacrifices you made," wrote Mr Cameron. "We owe you a debt that can never be repaid," read Mr Brown's tribute.

Approximately 7,500 ex-servicemen and women and 1,600 civilians then took part in a march before a crowd ten-deep on the pavements nearby.

In Edinburgh, Mr Salmond gave a reading at a service in St Giles' Cathedral.

"Remembrance Sunday is a time for us all to reflect and remember the enormity of sacrifice made by Scottish servicemen and women, past and present," he said.

"It allows people across generations to recognise and pay tribute to the duty and commitment of our service personnel and veterans, and express our gratitude."

George Ross, acting general secretary of the Royal British Legion Scotland, said: "We are proud to play our part in helping the nation pay their respects."

In Glasgow, several hundred people paid their respects to the fallen in the city's George Square.

The service was led by Lord Provost Bob Winter, with numerous politicians also in attendance.

In Aberdeen, a parade of former soldiers and members of the armed forces was held, ending at the war memorial at School Hill where wreaths were placed. The parade was led by the Grampian Police Pipe Band. Iain Gray, the Scottish Labour leader, laid a wreath in his East Lothian constituency.

Speaking at the Royal British Legion ceremony in Prestonpans, he said: "It is so important that we always remember those servicemen and women who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country in past and present day conflicts."

His Liberal Democrat counterpart, Tavish Scott, attended the Remembrance Service at the Shetland War Memorial at Hillhead in Lerwick.

Members of The Black Watch, meanwhile, held a private service at Fort George near Inverness to remember those comrades who have died in Afghanistan.

At Catterick Garrison, near Richmond, North Yorkshire, the Archbishop of Canterbury joined senior officers and ordinary soldiers for a remembrance service at Britain's largest Army base.



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  • Last Updated: 08 November 2009 11:57 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: British armed forces
 
1

Archie MacT,

Scotland 09/11/2009 00:51:11
Why the conspiracy of silence about Celtic supporters disgracing the minutes silence at Falkirk? Hearts fans were subject to all sorts of criticism for not respecting a silence for the Pope a few years back. Surely disrespecting every soldier who lost their lives is at least the equivalent of one religious figure. whether the fans were Inside or outside the ground is immaterial. They disgraced themselves and their club and it should be reported in a paper presenting itself as a national paper.
2

Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 09/11/2009 02:27:57
Perhaps because the newspaper was ashamed to write that story. A sad reflection of our' times' , lack of respect, dignity, but those reading the blogs will get the message.
3

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/11/2009 02:46:44
I was at the Falkirk Celtic game yesterday,these "fans" are a disgrace to their club and their country. The sooner this malignant outfit leave the SPL the better for all concerned.
4

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/11/2009 03:40:06
Re #3 My apolgies for commenting under this article, this is not really the time and place.
5

steve 1511,

aberdeen 09/11/2009 06:33:44
the cowards amidst us who abused the minutes silence at falkirk yesterday have been exposed to the nation,i await a condemnation of this from celtic f c.how disgusting are these cowards who turn on the memory of the men who laid down their lives so that these cowards can live in a democracy
6

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Australia 09/11/2009 07:37:55
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn:
At the going down of the sun:
And in the morning: , We will remember them:
Lest we forget
7

Linda,

Edinburgh 09/11/2009 08:24:55
And what about Gordon Brown's disgraceful letter to mother of fallen soldier?
8

Loki,

Valhalla 09/11/2009 08:48:58
This is the second year in a row Celtic fans have disgraced themselves.
Ironic that John Reid, Celtic chairman is the guy who sent the troops into Afghanistan. At least he's wearing a poppy. Peter Lawwell being Celtic-minded at least stuck to his principles and didn't wear one.
Censorship and covering up is taking place with SkySports and the Scotsman in hiding this shame. Expose the idiots. What are the Police & SFA doing - the IRA are a prescribed terrorist org & it's against the law to prompt them?
What do the lads in the Black Watch in Helmand think?
Watch the tubes on youtube 40,000 people have watched Scotland's shame.
9

walter,

09/11/2009 08:58:53
"Remembrance Sunday is a time for us all to reflect and remember the enormity of sacrifice made by Scottish servicemen and women, past and present,"

No Mr Salmond you may be so small minded that you only see Remembrance Sunday to pay respect to those brave Scots who have laid down their lives.
The majority of the people especially those of us who do and have served remember all who have paid the ultimate sacrifice whether Scottish or not.
10

Thrawn,

UK 09/11/2009 09:03:05
Under the headline "We muted sound of Celtic fans' chanting during minute's silence, admit Sky", today's Daily Record covers the story.

The report includes this paragraph:
"Outside the stadium, at the corner between the two stands where Celtic fans were watching the game, around 40 people sang republican songs during the tribute to the fallen."

Many thousands of Irishmen served in the British armed forces in the First and Second World Wars, and many died. Some Irishmen are currently serving in the British forces. For these fans to abuse the one minute's silence is to mock the memory of everyone who has fallen in these conflicts.
11

sam the god,

09/11/2009 09:08:38
time to name and shame them
12

i wear trousers not a skirt,

09/11/2009 09:39:43
celtic fc scotland shame yet again. at football matches we have a minutes applause now due to the majority of the celtic fans booing the minutes silence for queens mum princess diana ex rangers players etc. i will never applaud someones death. i will give a minute silence and will not clap like a pack of seals. i just wish celtic fc would go and play in ireland.
13

Media for one,

09/11/2009 10:04:38
I said it yesterday and I will say it again; forcing fans into a minute silence at a sporting event is absolutely wrong!
I respect the men and women who laid their lives on the line in world war 1 and world war 2 and at various moments throughout my life I have and will continue to remember them in my own time in my own way. I do not need to be forced into it by an establishment who are sending modern day troops to an illegal war.
The people who broke the minute silence are no worse than the establishment who forced upon them.
Will there be a moment of silence for the Pope at Ibrox when he dies? Of course not and rightly so. Will there be a moment silence for the Pope at Celtic Park when he dies? Let's hope not because religion has nothing to do with football as we are often reminded. Neither does war in this modern age and the two should be left outside of the stadium.
If a Rangers legend dies by all means have a moment silence, but bear in mind that you are forcing that moments silence on a travelling fan base who may not want to be forced into silence - therefore, make it a celebration and go for a one minute applause - Moments of silence in football stadiums should be restricted to footballing issues.
14

Media for one,

09/11/2009 10:06:56
#12 I wear the trousers - You are being a fool and you are using death to score points, which in itself is shameful.
In these instances, you are not applauding the persons death, you are giving them a standing ovation in memory of their life. But like I said, religion and politics should play no part at a football match. EVER!
15

Virgil,

West Vancouver 09/11/2009 10:07:16
The world already knows of the barbarism that still reeks among Celtic and Rangers followers so why be surprised or even comment on their lack of respect for anyone or anything decent, they were born into hooliganism and will die hooligans.
16

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 09/11/2009 10:09:28
#9 - #14's point to apply to you as well, trying to score points by trying Salmond bash. Shameful.

17

tommy M,

Scotland 09/11/2009 10:18:43
From the Guardian - brown's letter to grieving mother of killed soldier: "It is with the greatst of sadness that I write to offer you and you family my personal condolencs on the death of your son, Jamie [which has the e crossed out]," Brown wrote.

Couldn't even get the name right. makes you wonder, egh?

18

Media for one,

09/11/2009 10:23:27
Nitton - Salmond bashing on a website about a story relating to Scottish politics is very different to forcing society into a moment of silence for falles heroes whos lives are forgotten on the basis that our government is fighting an illegal war.
You are not grown up enough to partake in this thread and will be ignored on the basis that you are out of your depth.
19

molu kike,

basel ,,,.sunday cenetaph ,.,in whitehall 09/11/2009 10:26:50
at the cenotaph session over the lost soul of the british brave soldier who lsot lives in battle ,.,.all the member of the stuart family paying ceremonial visit accompained by her two grandson and the reminats of princess anne ,.,,well in accoradance with british value at the cenotaph to pay respeckt for the gravestone soldiers(heavenstone) members of the stuart along with westminster abbey should bow for the dead ,. the boon brown have cross the breach for not flinching his platitudious bow as yes gentry englishness value when at the scene of the cenotaph ,.,,was the boon having the less seguine over the dead brave man who fought for their objective accorded to him as british soldier ,.or him being mansa son of scotish ,.i think so having more feeling to the battle between the pilts,,and celtsclan than the battle with popcorn in the desert of afghanistan ,.,
20

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 09/11/2009 10:40:38
#18 - Eh, I'm sorry but your point is eqaully true of someone trying to score political points on this page, which is NOT about scottish politics but about rememberance Sunday.

As for the last paragraph, I will not comment other than, good grief, who do you think you are?

21

walter,

09/11/2009 11:05:55
#16
What is shameful is Salmonds small mindedness.
It is disgusting that some one who is meant to be the leader of a nation would ignore the sacrifice made by millions the world over, Men and Women both Military and Civilian who stood with and died alongside Scots.
Remembrance Sunday the nearest Sunday to the 11th November is a day to remember all of them not a few.
22

Thistledhu,

09/11/2009 11:12:59
A lack of respect is being shown all round but thankfully by a minority

How long do we have to put up with the antics of a small section of celtics support lets see celtic fc take the lead in this and sort these people out
23

Louis Catorze,

09/11/2009 11:16:34
#15....I am a Rangers fan. I marched at the Cenotaph yesterday. No doubt there were Celtic fans there as well.

Sweeping statements like yours have no place after an article like this.



Lest we Forget.
24

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 09/11/2009 11:30:40
#21 - He was there representing the Scottish government. It is his job, as it is the job of local politicains at all the war memorials around the country where they praise the contributions of their own townsfolk. Are you going to "condemn" them as well?

You are posting just to put in a dig at him. Shameful post.
25

Oldhabits,

Bristol 09/11/2009 11:44:07
What was most telling for me was the lack of respect for the troops killed by Prime Minister Gordon Brown yesterday at the Cenotaph Ceremony. He did not even bow his head having laid down the wreath on behalf of the nation. A No 10 spokesman has since denied this but the TV must have been flickering.

The previous night at the Royal Albert Hall was obviously painful for the PM as it stood for all the things he does not, bravery, decency , patriotism.
As a 'son of the manse' you would at least have expected him to know the hymns, but alas not. Don't let us have any more of his false Christian beliefs, he is a 'commie' and they have none.
26

dalriadan,

glasgow 09/11/2009 11:45:15
A country with the highest prison population in Europe, highest teenage pregnancy, alchohol/substance abuse, 3 to 6 million jobless. What do they do? Start a war in an impoverished land thousands of miles away. Where the natives loath the very sight of them.
Better still, they whip up patriotic hysteria for the great unwashed in football stadiums, not to mention the grotesque Establishment in Whitehall.
There's a movie called "Wag the Dog" How about giving it out on free prescription to the land of dope and Tory?
27

dalriadan,

09/11/2009 12:02:45
Little Thistledu
Could you put your pomp and crass morality aside for just one moment? A million people have died in Iraq (many at the hands of your beloved army) Of that million can you give the name of one of them?
28

Media for one,

09/11/2009 12:17:02
The Establishment should NOT be sabotaging people at sports stadiums -
29

John M. Slusser II,

Nantwich 09/11/2009 12:17:13
#13 - The moment of silence is not "forced" on anyone at any time anywhere, but to you, who seems to not want to volunteer your moment's silence, you say you are forced. Just consider the basic thought involved in this moment of silence: it is ONLY to give honour where honour is due, to the fallen EVERYWHERE who have given their lives - their lives and not a pitiful comment - so that you and I can continue to speak freely and enjoy all our other freedoms.

#26 Remember that each and every time any sort of liberal government is voted in, we lose more freedoms and become more socialistic/communist. That is a fact, not an opinion - so don't stiffen your spine to hurl a retort. We need to turn our backs on the EU, become sovereign once more, and carry on with our lives.

Everyone else, stop moaning about war - all our forces are volunteers who ARE informed about what they are doing, and yet volunteer all the same. There have been wars from year dot, and there will be wars until the end of time. Von Claus said it best: war is the extreme arm of politics - if you cannot win it by diplomacy take it by war, and that is precisely what nations do to each other. If you want to make changes in defense policy, do your research and work to influence those in power; you will not do that by sitting at your keyboard and carping away here.
30

gkc,

Alloa 09/11/2009 12:21:29
In a week when 7 soldiers are killed in action, a week when we remember the fallen , we see two football clubs sets of fans cause the world to see what a bigoted and small minded nation of thugs we produce.

It is time for both Rangers and Celic to take drastic action to ensure these so called " best fans in the world " are not allowed to cause disgrace to our wee country again.

Ban Rangers from taking ANY fans to away matches, it does not matter a t@@s to me that the respectable fans are inconvenienced, they put up with this mindless moronic mass in their midst and do nothing about it.

They cause mayhem wherever they go, an army marching on drink fueled by the belief that they are the chosen people still singing the bilge of the last 200 plus years. Rangers officials MUST know who they are, even in a stadium like the one in Romania there must be some CCTV to show who they were, if not the live SKY TV can pick them out.

That deals with one side of the bigot brothers, the Celtic fans yesterday were a disgrace to the club and our country, why action was not taken by club officials and police , I cannot understand but they should be rounded up sent to helmand province and see what big boys they are when confronted by the Taliban, maybe then they will show due respect.

All in all a good week for both clubs, they both deserve to be kicked out of Europe or at the very best their pi@s poor football will ensure that without any FIFA / EUFA action.
31

Media for one,

09/11/2009 12:30:27
gkc - You are having a laugh. War is a serious issue and the death of a soldier even more so. I can understand why neutral fans despise the Old Firm, some 97 titles out of a possible 110 is reason enough to hate them. Not being able to beat them on the park leads to barrel scraping arguments about whos fans are the best and that is even more pathetic than the lack of success that the other teams have had.

If the other teams played in Europe often enough their fans may run into bother as well, but since the other teams are not good enough to challenge the OF we will never know.

A minutes silence for soldiers has no place at a football match. Especially when the establishment are fighting an illegal war. It is hypocrisy of the highest order.

32

dalriadan,

glasgow 09/11/2009 12:33:48
Number 30. With respect this isn't about two little parochial teams. One being the most secterian in the world, the other having a war criminal as a director. It's about the mass slaughter of a milion people in a foreign land.
Waving flags and spewing out jingoistic drivel may help the "Our heroes fraternity" in the short term. In the long term they'll be remembered as mass murderers for commiting illegal wars.
Military personal wont be imune from that either.
33

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 09/11/2009 12:33:48
#26 - You lost me when you used the American term liberal in a UK context. Liberal doesn't mean what you think it does.

In a US context the most exterme measure at restricting freedom was when the Patriot Act was passed, by Bush, so you comment doesn't really stack up, does it?







34

Media for one,

09/11/2009 12:42:47
dalriadan - I suggest you look around the world at other fan bases in Africa, South America, Middle East to find the world's worst.

The OF take slack NOT because of their fan base but because they win everything. The lack of success at Hearts makes Jambo's so crazy they will hang onto anything they can to hate the OF - this hatred stems from a lack of success! The same is true of all the other fan bases - Aberdeen under Alex Ferguson didnt hate the OF as much as they do now, they didnt need to they were winning everything and having a laugh!
35

Thistledhu,

09/11/2009 13:04:57
32 what utter drivel please explain how the campaign in Afghanistan is illegal or are you just spouting rhetoric to justify your blinkerd attitude
36

Thistledhu,

09/11/2009 13:10:47
34 are you suggesting that the forces of 38 countrys should be prosicuted you really are in cloud cukoo land
37

Thistledhu,

09/11/2009 13:19:18
34Media for one bareing in mind that the old firm being glasgow teams poses the question if you support one of the OF and are not from glasgow what are you a bigot or a glory hunter?
38

dalriadan,

Glasgow 09/11/2009 13:34:17
How about organising a day to reflect on civilian deaths in Kabul, Baghdad etc? Victims of "collateral" and cruise missiles.
We could get Lizzie, Bliar and little Jock Stirrup out for that. Probably not.
39

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09/11/2009 13:37:57
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Media for one,

09/11/2009 13:56:00
I am not a fan of moments of silence unless they are in context. In other words, if Anfield held a moment of silence for Bob Paisley that would make perfect sense. But to hold the same moment of silence at Old Trafford is not necessary. If the Man United fans feel the need to mourn they can wear black arm bands and so can the players, but leave it at that. If a famous Celtic player dies then by all means have a moment of silence or an applause for the man, but dont ask the Ibrox crowd to do the same. Observing a moment of silence is not respectful, it is an establishment custom that began with good intent but lost all meaning when we began fighting illegal wars and sending more troops to die. AND that aside it has no place at a football match.
41

gkc,

alloa 09/11/2009 13:56:58
Media4one seems to think that the world is against his team and the other Glasgow disgrace.

My brother works for the Commonwealth War Graves in Europe and I have travelled extensively with him around the graveyards there and it is an awesome sight to see the 1000's of graves of all nationalities laid out.

Supporters of both teams fought and died as the do today in Afghanistan yet he sees only his bigoted side of the fence.

The point I was making is that Celtic scum yesterday as good as p@@@ed on the graves of those who have died to give him a better life. They do not show respect for the young soldiers out there just now fighting and dying. I certainly do not support either our war in Iran or afghanistan but to show the disrespect this scum showed yesterday was beyond reason.

Rangers are no better with their bigoted s@@t but see it from another perspective.

I suggest he gets off his soapbox and lives in the real world
42

tommy M,

Scotland 09/11/2009 14:03:57
Isn't is interesting how this rag does not mention Alex Salmond as First minister but as "Mr Salmond?"

Is the hootsmon trying to elevate Alex to one word name status, like Oprah, or merely being disrespectful?
43

Esquire,

09/11/2009 14:38:16
I imagine most folk think of the beach on a sunny day or a day at the races during the minute silence. Most folk cannot remain focused for 10 seconds never mind about 1 minute.
44

Media for one,

09/11/2009 14:46:12
gkc - You said Celtic scum as if to suggest that the club had something to do with their behaviour. Not so.

Secondly, asking people to observe a minute silence in a football stadium is disrespectful in itself.

End of story!
45

Brideun,

Culloden 09/11/2009 14:54:57
Fort George has a plaque stating that over 8500 Seaforth Highlanders were killed in WW1. A regiment drawn from both catholic and protestant areas perhaps a fact unknown to the drunken mindless celtic fans. This, hopefully, tiny minority who had disgraced the memory of brave men have let down their team and worse the country of their origin. The majority of Irish will be ashamed of their behaviour.
46

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 09/11/2009 15:10:37
#44- "Secondly, asking people to observe a minute silence in a football stadium is disrespectful in itself."

No, "DEMANDING people to.." is disrespectful. Singing republican songs deliberatly during the silence is just plain offensive. Greatest fans in the World (tm) - aye right.


47

Media for one,

09/11/2009 15:11:42
Brideun - Sorry, but you puzzle me.

You say that a minority of Celtic fans disgraced the memory of brave men and let their team and country down. Are you having a laugh?

Do you not think that the ESTABLISHMENT who are STILL sending troops to fight an illegal war or occupying foreign territories are being more disrespectful?

Most people on this site having read your comments will be hoping you are not Scottish such is your shameless approach to this issue.
48

Media for one,

09/11/2009 15:15:13
Nitton Lover - #46

Ok then, let's see how the Ibrox faithfull behave when the next minute silence for the Pope is held in Govan.

We know what would happen, there would be absolute bedlam and rightly so on the grounds that religion has no part to play in football. Neither do politics and war!
49

Media for one,

09/11/2009 15:28:09
#46 Nitton

And another thing, if the establishment want to force a moment of silence on the masses then they need to accept that not all the people who are asked to observe the silence will be happy to do so.

What if a father who lost his son in the Iraq war was at the stadium yesterday. And what if he believed that his sons death was a mockery based on the fact his son was fighting a war that should never have been fought? And what if that father was still very raw about his sons death and he was going to the game to forget the horrors of real life? Is it fair of the establishment who sent his son to die to now ask the masses to remember him? What sort of hypocrisy is that? Should that be allowed?
And secondly, we all know the history of British politics and we know that many years ago the Irish lost much of their country to British rule. The South was given back but the North remained under British rule. It is no secret going all the way back to world war 2 that the Irish left their lights on so the Germans could find mainland Britian such was the divide. It is no secret that British troops occupying parts of Northern Ireland caused real resentment within the Catholic communitites - so what if a father who was at the game yesterday had lost a son in Northern Ireland having been shot by a British soldier?
Is he supposed to sit at that football match and bite his tongue?
It is a FOOTBALL match and that is why nobody should be put in a position to remember anything to do with the horrors of war. People arrive there looking forward to watching a game and some of them are now being confronted with issues that bring back bad memories.

And maybe some people who have not lost anyone are just interested in watching the game and dont want to be subjected to the establishments attempt at remembrance when every night our TV screens are filled with images of dying soldiers.
These sort of silences have no place at football stadiums.
50

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 09/11/2009 15:46:52
#49 - You have lost it, the two minute silence is for rememberance, it is not to excuse any actions past, present or future. It is to remember the people who has sacrified their lifes, military and civilian. It is above petty politics and petty football rivalries.

It was Falkirks descision to do it, and the Celtic fans should have respected that. It is one thing not to observe it and another to sing republican songs during it.

Whether you like it or not, but it has become standard practice to do this at football matches now. Anyone who does have a big objection can do the honourable thing and not go to the game.






51

dalriadan,

glasgow 09/11/2009 16:25:24
There's some guy who writes here. Previously in the armed forces and some weeks back dismissed Civil Rights (which speaks volumes about any person)
To mention the other 28 nations involved with Afghanistan is so lacking in debate. Every right minded person knows that two brutal empires are running this show.
A lot of these other countries were coerced and bullied into paticipation. Many have sent the very minimum of manpower (which makes them atleast sceptical)
To the contributor in question, please refer to The Sun newspaper.
52

danbob,

09/11/2009 16:48:58
I have never understood the decision to impose a minutes silence on a football crowd that is in a drink fuelled frenzy. It's a recipe for disaster.

The place for those who wish to observe a minutes silence is at a war memorial at 11.00 in the morning. Not at a highly charged football match.
53

dalriadan,

glasgow 09/11/2009 17:53:45
RE: John M Slusser
Please don't assume that most countries opt for war during these times. Our brutal country and the US have a monopoly on bombarding, polluting and alienating other lands.
You're completely off the mark. get your facts right.
54

Oldhabits,

Bristol 09/11/2009 17:56:02
How can Rangers and Celtic fans be the best in the world? They keep winning for goodness sake!!
55

Archie MacT,

09/11/2009 23:33:37
Mediaforone - leaving aside the debate about whether it's right or wrong to have a minutes silence for Remembrance Sunday the Celtic fans could have remained outside chatting amongst themselves while the minutes silence happened. Surely even you would condemn them for purposefully disrespecting it? Probably not because being Celtic minded you don't like to condem your own side. Much like your club and the other half of the Glasgow ugly sisters. Because that's biting the hand that feeds. But if you can't recognise the lack of human decency in their actions and refuse to criticise them cos they are your own side then you are as much part of the problem as the Irish wannabies outside the stadium yesterday.

Absolute scum.

 

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