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Published Date: 25 June 2008
SCOTLAND'S busiest railway line is to become one of the best of its type in the world under ambitious plans by Network Rail, The Scotsman can reveal.



The firm wants the main Edinburgh-Glasgow route to have "world-class" punctuality and reliability that is as good as other similar lines anywhere.

Targets will be set to further improve timekeeping, which is already at its best for a decade
. An extra £5 million has been added to the £20 million annual spending on the line, which could triple in future years.

The line has been at the forefront of rail technology since it opened in 1842 as the world's first intercity line. It is also something of an engineering masterpiece, being virtually flat along its entire length.

Passenger watchdogs applauded the move but said Network Rail still had a long way to go to achieve its aim. The project is a British first, with the route – used by 6.5 million people a year – being chosen by Network Rail after an internal competition. Other lines are set to follow.

Network Rail hopes the project will enable it to cut the current 48-minute average journey time – with every minute saved estimated to boost the economy by £60 million.

Journeys now take longer than 30 years ago because trains stop more frequently, with 60 per cent of the route's passengers using intermediate stations. Non-stop trains would be faster than in the 1970s as the speed limit has been raised from 90mph to 100mph, but the line is so busy other trains would have to be cancelled.

More than seven out of ten trains currently arrive on time and more than nine in ten are within five minutes of schedule. New targets have still to be set.

David Simpson, Network Rail's route director for Scotland, said the project's aims included a "world-class experience for passengers with faultless delivery".

Measures include raising speed limits on sections of the line, accelerating fault reporting and improving lineside fencing to deter trespassers.

Mr Simpson said: "We want to be among the best in the world and this work is aimed at achieving that."

The best performing similar lines include those in Germany, Holland and Switzerland. Experts said 98-99 per cent of trains on lines such as Basel-Zurich arrived within five minutes.

Robert Samson, the Scotland manager for Passenger Focus, the official watchdog, said: "The project is ambitious, but we hope it is successful and will be replicated elsewhere. The route is improving, but it still has to go a long way to be world-class."

First ScotRail, which runs trains on the line, said it had halved delays since 2004.

Surly staff and poor service… it's still far from a fare deal for commuters

EVERY so often, on my morning commute from Glasgow to Edinburgh, I play a little game with myself. What else, I wonder, could I have bought for the price of my £17.70 peak day-return ticket? Eight McDonald's Happy Meals maybe? Perhaps 22 songs on iTunes? Or how about a really good pair of cashmere-lined earplugs, because heaven knows you need them to get through a journey with First Scotrail these days.

Life on the First Scotrail west-to-east commute is one of paradoxes. Take the ticket machines, helpfully installed at both Queen Street and Waverley to reduce queues at the booking counter. They're wonderful – when they work. Yesterday mine didn't, and nearly swallowed my debit card.

When, after a wait at the booking office, I tentatively suggested to a member of staff that they might want to put a sign up, the grunt of disdain could have rivalled Gordon Ramsay for venom.

Then there are the on-train announcements. Yesterday, just for fun (I know, I know), I counted up how many times on my 48-minute journey I would be informed that the train was going to Edinburgh Waverley. I gave up at 11. A little excessive one might say, not to mention irritating, for a peak-time train packed full of people who make this journey every single day.

I have been making this commute for eight years now. Over that time, I've seen many changes on the route, from the number of trains that run in a day to how many of them make it on time (more, and still not enough).

Things have certainly improved. There are very few serious delays these days, and my experience has indeed been that most trains arrive within five minutes of arrival time. But it's not enough.

Certain things still rankle, and for many of my fellow commuters the price is the main point of contention, because £17.70 is a lot of money, and no-one I know thinks it's worth it.

The staff are often surly and unhelpful, the announcements are too loud, frequent, and irrelevant, there's very little room for bike space on trains, no effort made to recycle the newspapers left on morning services and frequent problems with the ticket machines.

Best in the world? No chance. And for this price, it should be.

Emma Cowing



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  • Last Updated: 25 June 2008 12:21 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The railways
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

...in my car on the M8 25/06/2008 00:32:43
"...the grunt of disdain could have rivalled Gordon Ramsay for venom."


Mary Grant, the managing director, is supposed to have said that her staff's customer service should be as good as the "nothing is too much trouble" attitude at John Lewis.

She's awfully quiet, these days!

Seriously, though, how can that company accept £17.70 for such a surly bunch of "couldnae gie a tuppenny f***s?"
2

truthsleuth,

25/06/2008 02:31:45
CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THE ARTICLE ON SPENDING LEVELS POINTING OUT THE £692million COST OF M74 was CHANGED TO OMIT THIS DECLARATION -
WHO WAS GOT AT !!!
LETS HAVE THE WHOLE TRUTH.
The headline ought to be
'£692 million for 5 miles of Motorway to be spent on High Speed Edinburgh to Glasgow Rail Link instead'

At £140million per mile the M74 link is to be replaced by the first stage of a High Speed Rail Link between Edinburgh and Glasgow. Transport planners believe the M74 does not represent good value for money and would have a low cost benefit future in the light of increasing fuel costs and CO2 issues.

It is estimated the 10 to 15 minute time saving alone will boost the economy some £600million - £1000 million alone.

Capacity released on the existing Edinburgh to Glagow line will provide enormous benefits for intermediate and new stations on those lines. For those who cannot leave their cars at home the traffic reductions on parallel roads and Motorways will provide measurable reductions in congestion and journey time.
With the prospect of East and West Coast High Speed lines into England it is expected cross boredr M-ways are will similarly benefit as will inland air traffic freeing up runway space for longer distance flights and removing airport capacity restraints for the foreseeable future.

3

indune1,

Canada 25/06/2008 04:02:00

3- BTO - Have been following your inputs on several threads.

Do you have anything positive to say?

Or are you the classic cynic who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.

If you have the answers, why hasn't wee Alec asked you for your invaluable advice?
4

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/06/2008 05:18:46
Is it only me, but does it seem that transport policy seems to be a series of isolated stop gaps with no intergrated strategy?

Edinburgh trams, rail links to 2 poorly sighted airports, high speed rail lines that do not connect with other transport infrastructure, patchwork roadways.

How about taking a more co-ordinated approach like the Dutch. Does it make sense to split the International Air Traffic of a Country of 5 million between 3 International Airports? Would it not be better to have 1 single International Airport sighted between Glasgow and Edinburgh that was connected by rail to all the other parts of Scotland?

It is time that transport was devolved to a sigle competent authority, namely Holyrood.
5

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/06/2008 05:32:01
Does it not seem that transport policy in Scotland is a hodge podge of single initiatives without any co-ordination or over arching strategy?

Patchwork roadways, disliked trams, rail links to 2 international airports that operate within 100 miles of each other and now a high speed raillink that will terminate in Queen Street in Glasgow where you will still have to take a bus or taxi to Glasgow Central to continue your train journey anywhere else.

The Central Belt does not need 2 International Airport and Glasgow does not need 2 Major Rail hubs. Look at how the Dutch do it. 1 Major International Airport with direct flight to all the major cities of the world connected to the whole country by an efficient rail network.

The only way this will change is if Transport is devolved to a single competant authority.
6

maxwellian,

pollokshields, glasgow 25/06/2008 07:04:30
More interesting is what's missing.

Electrification? Not a word; any aspiration even to approach "world class" falls there and then.

Widening to four tracks? The existing line is almost at capacity, and no improvement in speed or frequency is possible unless parallel fast and relief lines are built, so that local services can be accommodated alongside the high-speed shuttles.

Procurement of rolling stock appropriate for an intercity service? Nul points again. The 170s are suburban units fundamentally, and using them for such a "flagship" service is an insult and a complete joke. Too short, with cramped seating and frequently overcrowded; draughty, owing to their having doors in the middle of the carriage; tiring to travel in due to the noise and vibration from the underfloor engines; just totally inadequate by every reasonable measure.

No, this is a puff-piece from Network Rail, which will end up at the bottom of a filing cabinet somewhere once the favourable noises have died out.
7

eric,

Lothian 25/06/2008 07:22:29
Glasgow is building its airport train link at the moment.So when crossrail goes ahead in Glasgow will this super world class train take me from edinburgh to glasgow international Airport.
8

eric,

lothians 25/06/2008 07:33:57
12 Nothing in this country works that quick hehe.
9

jtdx,

25/06/2008 07:49:36
The announcments are maybe not irrelevant if you are blind!
10

XL,

The Netherlands 25/06/2008 08:03:52
GBP 17.70 is a lot? geeee .... keep on dreaming!

The day-return Zurich-Bern in Switzerland (the best performing line in Switzerland and the most busy one, too, connecting the business and the political centres) costs 92 Swiss Franks (approx. 45 pounds), and even the half-fare (that you can subscribe to for som 150 Swiss Franks a year) would then be more.

(Btw. in the Netherlands, Den Haag (The Hague) - Amsterdam is EUR 18 = GBP 14)
11

FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 25/06/2008 08:10:30
What are the journey times going to come down to? There doesnt seem to be any specifics in this article. As somebody who used to suffer this commute daily, the near hour time is just horrible and this really needs to come down.

I remember being told by somebody there was a one off train which didn't stop and it took 35 minutes - that's the sort of time that would be better. I appreciate there needs to be additional stops, but I think there's just too many at the moment. It's all very well the trains being frequent but they're too slow, and way too expensive.
12

Iain's,

Barcelona 25/06/2008 08:25:01
I suppose it will be a high speed line like the one from here to Madrid. Or the Madrid to Toledo line-
Nah! No chance.

Why do Scots put up with living in the second world?

At least here I have cheap, reliable (if quirky) public transport.
13

LyonHearts,

le teil 25/06/2008 08:35:19
Glasgow used to be 45 miles and 45 minutes away on the train when I was a lad!

Just far enough IMHO
14

Jack fae Glasgow,

Glasgow 25/06/2008 08:46:08
Saves £50 - 60 millions per minute? Who are the absolute IDIOTS that come up with these fairy tale economics! Exactly how is the money "saved"? So 300 paying punters on a train manage to save up £300miiion on a journey - HOW do they do that? Do they get some of the money back for saving it in the first place? After all, thats what executives and captains of industry do all of the time when they calculate their latest bonus rates!

The public money ear-marked for this could give free national and international travel for every Scot over the next 50 odd years.......now wouldn't that be a nice way to spend OUR money instead?
15

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/06/2008 09:03:11
#11

"Glasgow is building its airport train link at the moment.So when crossrail goes ahead in Glasgow will this super world class train take me from edinburgh to glasgow international Airport."

No, you will still need to get off the train at Queens Street station. Take a bus or Taxi to Glasgow Central Station before reboarding a train to Glasgow Airport. ith the connections and waiting times it will probably take as long to get from Edinburgh to Glasgow Airport as the flight from Glasgow to Barcelona. It will also cost about the same.
16

Alan B,

25/06/2008 09:37:35
Disagree about the staff, think they are generally good and friendly.

The biggest problems with this line are: lack of capacity in the morning. Also the speed of the train. The train only makes a few stops and should be able to do the journey in 1/2 hr.

With regard to punctuality, i would say it would be better to have the trains with a wait over period of 15mins. So rather than waitinig for one train to come in and go out again immediately. It would be better if that previous train (on the 15mins service) went out. That would mean that one delay would not cause a knock on effect.


17

Alan B,

25/06/2008 09:39:45
#KampungHighlander

"No, you will still need to get off the train at Queens Street station. Take a bus or Taxi to Glasgow Central Station before reboarding a train to Glasgow Airport"

The poster said: "So when crossrail goes ahead in Glasgow"

As such u will not have to take a bus.
18

Iain's,

Barcelona 25/06/2008 09:46:18
Which world? Third or second?

I don't know why you put up with this nonsense.
Lies. lies and more lies.

I will give 50 quid to charity if anything happens in the next few years other than the trains taking longer to ensure that they arrive on time!

Steam was quicker!

p-s. Of course the staff are friendly. That is their job to be helpful to passengers.




19

Boy Wonder,

25/06/2008 09:56:56
Is anyone else laughing at this ridiculous claim? :D
20

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25/06/2008 10:15:51
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stmonan,

London 25/06/2008 10:30:16
"World class" is one of those cliches which is misused rather than used. See also the England footballers who aren't playing in Euro 2008.

Using it to describe the Glasgow-Edinburgh "express" route takes it to new levels of misuses, though. Maybe it was world class in 1842 when it competed with the Forth & Clyde Canal and some donkeys, it certainly isn't now.
22

Andrew,

25/06/2008 10:41:06
para 4. "The line has been at the forefront of rail technology since it opened in 1842...." & ELECTRICITY??
23

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 25/06/2008 10:48:30
Is is only in the UK that an aspiration to run trains on time and at a reasonable speed consitutes "world class"...? Sounds like "minimum acceptable standard" to me!

Still, look forward to electrification and better trains...
24

Neil,

Glasgow 25/06/2008 10:59:16
It may have been at the forefront of rail technology in 1842.

We should turn it into a fully automated driverless system, like Docklands. This would allow despatching of single carriage units every couple of minutes (which at £60 million per minute waiting time saved would be VERY worthwhile) & which would also allow it to run nearly 24/7 & at a considerably lower cost & higher capacity.
25

Schot,

25/06/2008 11:00:24
"The line has been at the forefront of rail technology since it opened in 1842"

Oh really. TGV? Mag-Lev ? Bullet trains ? It's time to drag it into the twentieth century at least. The line is over-priced, under capacity, and wholly reminicesent of East Germanys rail network in both speed and efficency.


" as the world's first intercity line. It is also something of an engineering masterpiece, being virtually flat along its entire length."

A fact which makes the current journey time even more incomprehensible. Given the poor state of the road link between Edinburgh and Glasgow, and in an age of climate change and peak-oil, then ripping out this line and starting again is a priority. Maxwellians four track idea sounds good for a start.
26

person who's right,

Edinburgh 25/06/2008 11:02:46
I live in Edinburgh and work in Glasgow. I am concerned about the environment and would prefer to use public transport.

But my commute (door-to-door) by bus & train takes over 2 hours each way. By car it takes about 50 minutes. So I drive.

The main problem is not the Edinburgh-Glasgow train service (which is quite good - if pricey), it's the travel within the cities, i.e. getting from my house in Edinburgh to Waverley/Haymarket, and then getting from Glasgow Queen St to my work.

I think the priority should be a network of fast & efficient transport 'spokes' that radiate out from these intercity stations to various parts of each city. The trams will do this, to some extent, for North Edinburgh. But they also need to link South Edinburgh eg by reinstating the Edinburgh South Sub line and linking Haymarket with places like Gorgie and Morningside.
27

St Andrew,

Edinburgh 25/06/2008 11:03:01
The train fare between Edin - Glasgow is already too expensive for most commuters - faster would mean even more expensive.

Forget about about speed - make it more affordable!!!
28

Old Cartha Boy,

Dumbreck 25/06/2008 11:05:44
I understand that a public subsidy of around £10 is paid for every passenger journey in Scotland, irrespective of length of trip. That puts the true cost of train travel into perspective!

29

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

The Forthy Bridge 25/06/2008 11:10:04
Network Rail are making progress to improve the reliability of the route. It's the quality of the trains from ScotRail that fails to impress.

The underslung diesel engines are very noisy with what seem like blown exhausts and poor isolation of vibrations from under the floor. A few carriages are quieter and obviously 'as they should be', but the majority are much (much) noiser in comparison.

Nearly all the carriages have broken ceiling panels above the luggage racks and these bang and rattle all the way from Edinburgh to Glasgow and back again, worse if they resonate with the engine vibrations. This is extremely annoying and it gives customers the impression that the trains are falling apart and poorly maintained.

Again there are one or two carriages (a small minority)that do not have this serious problem, but most of the turbostar trains are badly let down by this aspect of poor design and poor maintenance of the interior trim.

Sort the ceiling banging and the rattles, moderate the excess engine noise problems and the journey might become pleasant, a delight even, but at the moment the trains are pretty grim.
30

Caliwag,

york 25/06/2008 11:21:35
Mmm...No doubt there will be an article tomorrow declaring that Daft have no money for such projects and indeed want the service to receive less investment...just like all the recent articles on NR's proposals for five high speed routes which were followed up by complete denials by Daft...ho hum, perhaps it's just Phil Space and Phillipa Page at work!
31

Vox Cavalier,

Edinburgh 25/06/2008 12:11:13
JakartaHighlander, #6,

Absolutely correct. The flat plains of Stirling should be the site of William Wallace International Airport serving the Edinburgh/Glasgow/Perth triangle and connecting it to the world. It would be served by through train services linking main conurbations (Glasgow would need to build a through station like Waverley and Stirling). THEN we might have an integrated transport strategy!
32

AbandonAllHope,

25/06/2008 12:15:49
#41 Totally agree, Virgin to Glasgow is a joy and only 5 mins longer. Clean, comfortable train, nae suits, nae mobiles, nae idiots using the tables as there office and better scenery to boot ! Scotrail is rubbish, ever sat on there cr*ppy trains to Inverness and back ? nightmare.
33

AbandonAllHope,

25/06/2008 12:21:26
KampungHighlander - You can get a direct bus from Edinburgh to Glasgow airport , pillock !
34

Shaken,

25/06/2008 13:33:33
#44

Sober up!

Stirling is a paraochial small town with a chip on it's shoulder. Firstly town planners need to recognise Edinburgh and Glasgow and put them on road signs!

Secondly, rail and road links would have to be massively improved as the town centre is already creaking with existing levels of traffic.

Edinburgh airport on the other hand is a bit of a hole as well. I had to travel to take my flight to Schipol last week and the facilites (shops, bus link) are terrible. You fly in to Schipol and you realise how far behind Scotland and the UK are.

Vote SNP!
35

Salvatori,

25/06/2008 14:00:25
I tell you with the price of those sarnies, they'd better be world class.
36

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 25/06/2008 14:01:22
#46.. you sure about that?

#41, #45, National Express trains are nicer and more regular than Virgin's - and cheaper (off-peak rtn £6.50...).
37

fritigern,

Inverness 25/06/2008 14:24:33
Hand over the running of the railways to the Swiss (or the Germans), with the power to sack many of the neanderthals who work on it, and then something might be achieved. The platforms for arrival and departure at German stations are available on the Internet!!
38

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/06/2008 16:14:42
#51

"By the way, there will never be a William Wallace Freedom International Airport!"

Oh yes there will! And it will have a 50 foot Tall statue in the Main Concourse of Mel Gibson in a Kilt.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/06/2008 16:20:49
#51

If Network Rail and their unionist mates are allowed their fantasies of "World Class Rail Services" and "Glasgow Crossrail" then please allow us Nationalist's our Dream of "William Wallace International Airport" as the gateway to an independant Scotland.
40

Stuart Hall,

Jeux Sans Frontières 25/06/2008 16:28:06
So Mag-Lev, then?
41

Stuart Hall,

25/06/2008 16:46:24
54

Right next door to the Scottish National-front Party's proposed 'JingsCrivvens-MichtyMe Space Centre', no doubt?
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25/06/2008 17:06:22
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/06/2008 18:48:03
#56

"Why close down two airports just for the sake of bringing them together?"

As it stands right now, Airlines view Glasgow and Edinburgh as seperate catchment areas of Approximately 2 Million People. EasyJet has already said that Scotland would get a lot more destinations if it had 1 Airport.

It is even more the case for International Carriers. Right now you get a few flight to North America and service to Dubai and thats it. If the market had a single International Airport you would get many more direct flights to North American Destinations and even direct flights from Asia because they would see that Airport as a catchment for 4 million people and a viable market.

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Friar Tuck,

25/06/2008 18:59:22
If you want to run high speed express trains on the same lines as locals, the cheapest way to do it is to build "laybys" at every station (extra track for trains to use to stop at stations). Then, when a local train is at the station, loading & unloading passengers, the express trains can pass on the main line. Much cheaper than adding 2 tracks for the whole distance. Only drawback - more expensive signalling, but with computerised unmanned trains, think of the savings in labour costs!
45

ruthie,

alba 25/06/2008 19:00:55
no comments allowed on the Wendy breaking the law/lying/covering up piece?
46

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

25/06/2008 19:38:30
If you think the Edinburgh - Glasgow service is bad...

You should try travelling on the Fife Circle.
47

Friar Tuck,

25/06/2008 19:48:43
For those of you who do not know what "World Class" means - it means basically the same as "State Of The Art".
48

Agent 99,

25/06/2008 20:30:33
Here's another "world class" cracker:

Arrive at Edinburgh airport and want to go in the direction of Glasgow. Don't wish to rent a car and the relatives are too mean/poor/drunk to come and pick you up.

So its a bus. Not just any bus though. You get the world beating 100 service and get off at maybury, with all your luggage, and its probably pouring down. You have to make a do-or-die dash across the road to wait at least half an hour in the non-shelter to catch the Edi-Glasgow intercity bus, which, rather curiously, goes past the ... yep, airport.

It doesn't call at the airport though, because this half mile deviation would be too much for the moronic bus company to contemplate, too much for the moronic transport authorities to mandate when handing out public service obligations, and definitly way too much for an utterly brain dead lot like BAA to think about when they remodel the airport approach roads for the 84th time this decade.

We will never have have world class in Scotland with [a crowd of] idiots like this calling the shots. Even worse, whenever somebody comes up with an idea thats been done just about everywhere else on the planet, its too expensive, not value for money or doesn't suit this week's political dogma.

Time you all realised that ye reap what ye sow.
49

Agent 99,

25/06/2008 20:37:30
Oh yeah, so carried away with that last one I forgot the icing on the cake: The guy driving the 100 service, on approaching Maybury, announces that this is the "Glasgow interchange". I ask you, not even a phone box to wait or shelter in. Trouble is, it's said with such seriousness that you just know he really believes it.
50

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 25/06/2008 22:18:13
#66 There are bus shelters at both sides of Glasgow Road at the Maybury junction, the 100 bus service is the best going (modern buses, max 10 mins wait), the crossing has traffic lights so no"do or die" and the Citylink service to Glasgow is every 15 mins. Oh, and you are looking at 10 mins extra for the Glasgow buses to divert via Edinburgh airport to pick up what is likely to be in most cases no passengers which is why buses no longer go there.

And in years of taking the Airport bus regularly I have never heard the driver talk about the "Glasgow interchange". "Change for services to Glasgow" yes, but never interchange.

If you are going to have a rant, at least get the basics right.
51

DJ Glasgow,

25/06/2008 22:52:18
Train is far better than driving on M8. Arrival time more certain. As for price - £70 fuel + £65 parking makes the £79 weekly ticket excellent value.
In 6 months of using this service i have had only 3 bad journeys. Non stop services would certainly be welcome though.
52

Winston,

France 25/06/2008 23:04:37
World class to me means a brand new high speed line. 350km/hr will do.
53

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 00:34:45
#66 and BAA probably charge for bus access - they do at Glasgow

 

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