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Drug-test every worker, says police chief



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Published Date: 17 May 2008
DRUG-TESTING should be introduced throughout Scotland's workplaces and universities, a senior police officer has suggested.
Chief Superintendent Valerie McHoull yesterday said the move would help to win the "war against drugs". The Lothian and Borders officer indicated that mandatory testing of public-sector workers would have "a significant impact on the culture and use
of drugs".

Speaking yesterday to a conference of the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents, of which she is president, Ms McHoull suggested voluntary drug-testing schemes should be also carried out in private companies, universities and sports clubs. The call follows a recent signal by senior police officers in Scotland to introduce drug-testing.

Ms McHoull urged Kenny MacAskill, the justice secretary, to consider "progressing" drug-testing "across the whole public sector".

She continued: "Testing across the public sector would have a significant impact on the culture and use of drugs and could even be extended to the private sector, which might be encouraged to adopt a voluntary code.

"If all organisations, both public and private, including ultimately universities and sports clubs, introduced testing, then perhaps we could make more of an impact in the war against drugs from the demand end rather than the supply. Had the private sector had mandatory, or even possibly optional, drug-testing a decade ago, then the proliferation of cocaine use amongst young professionals might have been averted."

She added: "It would take courage and I am in no doubt that there would be a strong civil-liberties argument against it, but Scotland had the courage to ban smoking in public places for the sake of the nation's health. If Scotland is to truly say no to drugs, then this measure might be a reasonable step to take."

But Matt Smith, the Scottish secretary of the public-sector union Unison, said drug-testing was too expensive and ineffective. "I think Ms McHoull is mixing up the role of law enforcement and the role of employers. All those who have looked at this issue have concluded that mandatory drug-testing is not appropriate in the workplace.

"It is unreliable … the tests only confirm that use has taken place in the past, not whether a person's ability to do the job is affected at the time."

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "While we respect the argument, we are not convinced that mandatory drug-testing for all public-sector workers is a priority.

"Where drug-use is suspected, there are disciplinary procedures and policies already in place to deal with it."

BACKGROUND

FEW organisations in Scotland test their staff for illegal drugs. Those that do usually involve jobs in which safety is a major issue – for example, at nuclear power plants or on North Sea oilrigs.

However, drug-testing is being introduced in the Scottish police, and there have been sporadic calls for testing in schools.

There are two main types of drug tests, involving urine and hair. Cannabis can be detected in urine several weeks after being consumed, while others such as amphetamine and cocaine remain only for a few days. Evidence of drugs hangs around much longer in hair.

The legal position for drug testing is complicated. Employers have a justifiable interest in employees' drug use in certain circumstances.

But the principles behind the current measures also state that employees are entitled to a private life and to dignity.

Profile: 'Life on Mars' struggle of woman in man's world

WOMEN are being put off pursuing a career in the police because of a shortage of role models, according to one of the country's most senior officers.

Chief Superintendent Valerie McHoull, who yesterday became the first female president of the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents (Asps), believes the police is still seen as a male preserve, despite strenuous efforts by the country's eight forces to encourage gender equality.

Only around 23 per cent of Scotland's 17,000 officers are female, and the country is yet to see a woman chief constable.

Chief Supt McHoull said: "I've been in the police for nearly 30 years and I've seen a fundamental difference since then.

"The only job women PCs did back then was 'children'. When I was 20, I wasn't married and I didn't know anything about children's issues. There were plenty of dads in the service who could have taken on these cases, but it didn't occur to them.

"It was regarded as obscene for women to do the night shift. And they didn't get paid the same wages.

"When I watched Life on Mars, I couldn't believe how accurate it was. Things have changed greatly, but there's still a way to go."

Ms McHoull threw herself into traditionally "male" jobs, working in the drug and murder squads at Lothian and Borders Police, investigating a raft of serious cases including the murder of five-year-old Caroline Scott, from Portobello, in 1983.

"I was the first woman in the drugs squad. It was a completely male domain. Afterwards, lots of women came in.

"There are still some areas where we have yet to get to that tipping point.

"There is possibly still a lingering perception that the police service is a male preserve. The lack of role models is definitely also an issue.

"I think we could become more flexible … to encourage more women into the service."








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  • Last Updated: 16 May 2008 10:47 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Drugs policy
 
1

bring them on,

17/05/2008 01:55:31
I would say Yes.
2

celtic4,

USA 17/05/2008 02:34:15
Although we in the states, don't at this time drug test every single person who goes to work, most have to at least agree to be tested and sign a form to that effect. Then, when the tests are about to be done, if the person refuses, he gets fired. Drug testing is good, if falable. It can be rigged. However, in the "war on drugs" we must all do whatever we can to win it. Drugs are ruining any society they touch. And they touch ours in a big way.
3

Bishop Boyne,

Loanhead 17/05/2008 04:28:49
Joyce McMillian, please I implore you to do some research prior to putting digit to key p[ad, Rangers supporters - no trouble abroad for many years!!! for starters try 68 Leeds; 69 Newcastle; 72 barca; 74 Manchester; 76 Aston Villa; Villareal and Pampalona 07; Barca 08:
Of course the white washed has started get the SPL and SFA and all the media to tell the masses it was isolated incidents with the minority involved, with no history of this type of thing and we will be sitting next season with yet more incidents of minority/ isolated/ not Rfc supporters etc etc.

This has been going on for years, let UEFA ban them, as the SFA will take no action.
4

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 17/05/2008 07:42:40
How about police superintendents getting on with their jobs of enforcing the existing laws, rather than spouting-off on their own personal preferences if they were in a position to make laws?
5

cowfreak,

paris 17/05/2008 07:52:51
Yeah, but let's start with testing the Polis...
6

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 08:23:14
Why exclude the private sector ?
What do you do with people who test positive ?
If the legislation has no teeth it is not worth wasting parliamentary time on it.
7

W Smith,

Middle East 17/05/2008 08:24:44
Every one in the public sector in Scotland should be drug tested - and the gulity 'weeded' out.

Start with the space cadets in Holyrood. Not sure what they're on but its definitely illegal.
8

Boy Wonder,

17/05/2008 08:28:36
I'm with #5. Let's start with testing the polis ... by independent testers, so that the results can't be hidden under a whitewash!
9

calum,

17/05/2008 08:40:52
Ms McHoull is clearly way out of touch and perhaps her 30 years police service has clouded her judgement. How about the police service dealing properly with its own staff who are known to be abusing drugs and alcohol? Industries like the nuclear power industry have random drug and alcohol testing, why not concentrate her efforts in replicating that in the police, including the Superintendent ranks?
Rather than attempting to grab headlines by calling all on public services, wouldn't she be better concentrating on her own job?
10

Douglas,

Bathgate 17/05/2008 08:42:21
See what happens when you wear a hat at your work all day? Brain fade.
11

calum,

17/05/2008 08:44:30
"Only around 23 per cent of Scotland's 17,000 officers are female, and the country is yet to see a woman chief constable."
BTW - if a core function of the police is to arrest and report offenders, what percentage of offenders are women? Ms McHoull, I'll save you the trouble of looking it up, it's 9%! And officers should be promoted on their ability, not the possession of internal plumbing.
12

rozzerwatch2 ,

17/05/2008 09:08:07
The comment made by McHoull here is rubbish: "It was regarded as obscene for women to do the night shift. And they didn't get paid the same wages." Obscene? In what way? Women were paid 9/10 of the wages because they didn't do nightshifts. The Sex Discrimination Act changed that and they were paid the same wages as men from 1974 which, by my mathematics and here statement that she has been in the police for nearly 30 years, is at least 4 years before she started in the police!!! So she couldn't possibly have personal experience of the wage differential or of a police service without women on nightshift. Still, no point in letting facts get in the way of an opinion which seeks to make assumptions about men.
Does Ch. Superintendent McHoull intend to do anything about the pension differential between women and men which, as she will discover when she retires, is weighted heavily in favour of women.
13

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 17/05/2008 09:50:11
#12 - you're quite correct. I was about to point out the, shall we call it, inaccuracy in the Ch, Supts assertion that she participated in the service while there was still a wage differential, but you beat me to it. When I joined up in 1977 there were women officers who were lamenting the passing of the PWs Department (as they called it then) and who didn't want to do the job in the same way as men. I think this was the first of the 'improvements' forced onto the Police that has led us to where we are today.
14

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 17/05/2008 09:51:17
Just another thought - as a Ch. Supt., she'll be aware of the Police misconduct offence of wilful or careless falsehood!
15

echotango,

17/05/2008 10:16:28
Well spotted, 12&13.
In Edinburgh, women police started doing regular nightshifts in 1975 (there was always nightshift WDOs)but it had been a regular feature in the "coontie" for many, many years. Sergeant Jean Cunningham ruled Dalkeith with a fist of iron, now there was a proper police officer!
Miss McHoull couldn't possibly have been in a Police Force without women on nightshift and unequal pay if she didn't join until 1978 at the earliest. By the time she joined, women were an integral part of any shift of officers and, sure, there were issues about sex dicrimination but it was early days. And guess who were the most opposed to women officers on shifts - police wives! Much of what she claims is a downright untruth. There had been women in the Drugs and Licensing in Edinburgh Police years before she joined.
Such a shame, because she doesn't need to lie to illustrate how much the police has changed.
16

JayDeeTee,

17/05/2008 10:42:45
The first person that should be drug tested is this McHoull person as she must have taken a puff of something to come up with this idea. She should concentrate her efforts on tackling the appalling crime on our streets instead (or is that a man's job?)

And why is it that we keep hearing and reading from women banging on about being under-represented and held back from promotion in jobs where more men happen to be employed? It is getting tiresome now. If more women want to join the police (or any other organisation) there is nothing to stop them. In fact, I would bet female applicants receive preferential treatment when applying for employment in organisations like the police. So if women only represent 23% of the force, it is your own fault girls (just like it is the fault of us men that practically 98% of teachers are female - though women tend to keep this quiet)
17

Toast,

17/05/2008 10:54:21
If the politicians,police and lawyers [incl.judges] agree to go first I'll think about it,and as there is absolutely no chance of that happening, no panic.
18

Kdv,

17/05/2008 10:59:05
Yes I totally agree the police should be drug tested also our politicians.
I would like to see this done once a week starting with the bosses.

If the masses were to be given some respect.
Maybe able to live a life where we had some kind of feel good factor. Then drink & drugs would not be a problem.


Keep oppressing the people. The people in return will take the drugs & drink the drink. When inebriated they will also be violent.

It is down to politicians and employers to create a feel good factor.
19

subrosa,

17/05/2008 11:47:58
I agree with this. They should also be tested for excess alcohol as I'm sure quite a few turn up unable to do their jobs.

Random drug testing is done in the military all the time. Why should our other public servants be excluded?

Sack them if they prove positive and ensure this is in their contracts.

# 18 This suggestion is not oppression. It is about ensuring that our country has people capable of doing their jobs which are paid for by our money. Also it would enhance the feel good factor insofar as taxpayers may get better value for money.
20

SwissToni,

17/05/2008 11:59:43
Most of these tests measure only the metabolites of the drug which can hang around the body for weeks making the test result meaningless. Just another step along the way to a sterile nanny state

If we really want to get tough about drugs then booze would be a good place to start. The statistics in terms of £'s and social misery are there for all to see and are a national tradegy. Surely it is now time that the goverment distanced themselves from the drinks industry who are being allowed to peddle their drug with impunity
21

Guga II,

Rockall 17/05/2008 12:00:44
#8 BW. I'd go along with starting the drug testing on the fuzz. The only problem is though that we could have a situation like that in New South Wales at the moment, where, if a pig, or a relation of one is pulled up for drink driving, one of the other pigs takes the breathalyser test for them at the police station. I've no doubt that happens here too. So, what's to stop them pulling the same stunt as regards drug testing?

In any event, if they want to start compulsory drug testing of workers, they should set an example and start with the politicians. I wouldn't call them workers, but they are employees, our employees.
22

Douglas,

Bathgate 17/05/2008 12:24:42
Guga, why are Australians pouring perfectly good alcohol into farm animals?
23

lachlan,

17/05/2008 13:06:38
'DRUG-TESTING should be introduced throughout Scotland's workplaces and universities, a senior police officer has suggested.'

then what?
sack the the lot,fill the jails (if they are not full already)

24

echotango,

17/05/2008 13:12:13
BTW, Valerie McHoull couldn't have "investigated" the Caroline HOGG murder, not Scott, because she would only have had 5 years service. She may have "investigated" making a cup of tea or running errands for Detecive Officers, Inspectors, DCIs etc. etc but that is about it. Perhaps she feels the need to "spin" because she doesn't really have a great deal of practical operational experience to fall back on.
I wonder if her fellow Superintendents would have been so keen to vote her into the Chair if they had really known this.
25

Guga II,

Rockall 17/05/2008 13:29:17
#22. Read up on some history, and stick with your day job, you're not going to make it as a comedian.
26

danielrober,

17/05/2008 13:34:00
Good news. Treating public sector workers and managers,the same as we treat athletes is a huge step forward. Those who fail the tests can be given help, support and treatment.

In my field, some companies lower insurance costs by having regular urine tests and bretherlising.
27

slamwidge,

london 17/05/2008 13:50:55
I agree with drug testing all employees across the board. Drugs fund other crimes and are also funded by other crimes. Having been a victim of the child sex and drugs industries, including a victim of Eli lilly and Novartis and that is just two of the legalised drugs industries. These days, now more often, sex offenders are laundered through the psychiatric industry because of their vulnerabilities due to public anger and their criminal partners in the illegal drug markets. This is wrong, as most sex offenders I know have committed crimes against children in their care, i.e. social workers. So drugs testing should be across the board "for everyone" no matter what their employment. This would make it easier for drawing out a map of drug users dealers and users, Joining the dots from user to dealer to supplier to producer. If the law could show the extremities to which criminals will go to generate their wealth to drug users and those who could be targeted as consumers by dealers this might also help.
28

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 14:07:48
Well spotted, #24 - yet another piece of froth this drone finds necessary to pad out her 'career'. Whether her memory is failing or she's 'confused, someone this dishonest is unfit to lead the Superintendents association or, for that matter, to pontificate on a matter that should be for Parliament. She joined long after the 'Policewomen's Department' had been abolished and female officers achieved equal pay, with full rotating shifts. And she's spent most of her service since finding imaginative ways of avoiding actually doing any police work, playing the 'Family Card' on every occasion that suited.

29

Allan(handofgod137),

17/05/2008 14:20:30
So once we've emptied the universities and council offices, who's going to ensure her bins get emptied, her children educated and that there's a next generation of doctors and engineers?
30

An Beal Bacht,

17/05/2008 15:36:52
Subrosa wrote:

"This suggestion is not oppression. It is about ensuring that our country has people capable of doing their jobs which are paid for by our money. Also it would enhance the feel good factor insofar as taxpayers may get better value for money."

Stop and Search, Biometric ID Cards, Detention Without Charge, Mandatory Drug, CCTV Everywhere ... Feel Good Factor?
31

An Beal Bacht,

17/05/2008 15:38:01
Allan(handofgod137), 17/05/2008 14:20:30 wrote:

"So once we've emptied the universities and council offices, who's going to ensure her bins get emptied, her children educated and that there's a next generation of doctors and engineers?"

Polish migrants?
32

An Beal Bacht,

17/05/2008 15:39:32
Number 30 should read "Mandatory Drug Testing". I almost wrote "Mandatory Drug Tasting"?
33

Teofilio Cubillas,

17/05/2008 15:44:02
Please spare us more of this 'glass ceiling' p1sh. If she's made Chief Superintendent, it's obviously not done her any harm, as it didn't do the recently retired Director of the Scottish Police College (female) and the soon to be Chief Constable of Fife (female). To whom should I complain about the huge over representation of women in nursing and teaching?
34

yolanda,

17/05/2008 16:14:45


There are certain situations where it is necessary to undertake drug testing for health and safety reasons in safety critical environments, but suggesting that all employers should be drug testing simply isn't sensible, practical, or, in my view, desirable. It's expensive, sometimes does not distinguish between prescription drugs and illicit ones, and does not indicate when the substance was consumed.

Anyway, the drug testing the police are intending to carry out is neither random nor frequent, so it is a complete waste of time. They may think we will like the sound of it, but actaully they are doing nothing about the levels of substance use among their own forces.

35

uno.who,

On the move 17/05/2008 16:35:54
Has this McHoull woman got nothing better to do than spout tripe ? This sounds like she's trying to justify her position to the "boys" in her wee clique. The polis can't deal with the drugs that exist in society now, so what will they do with the "random" tests ... or is it her position that workers should be sacked (and then what would the appeals procedure be) ?

As for her "vast" personal experience, which from other posts appears sorely wanting, has anybody actually heard of her as an actual cop ? Edinburgh and the Lothians is not really that big a place so, surely, somebody must have seen/heard of her, and her crime-fighting skills, before she got to the exalted position as head of the Scottish superintendents ? NO ? Didn't think so ! Glass ceiling, my @rse !
36

uno.who,

On the move 17/05/2008 16:49:04
I don't know how accurate this is but a friend who's in the police suggests that McHoull was promoted to Chief Superintendent, not because of her abilities, but because her current Chief (a fellow graduate) believed that because previous incumbents of the ASPS presidency had been Chiefs, that she should be one too ?

Maybe she'd like to make some comment on that, or dispute it if inaccurate ?
37

echotango,

17/05/2008 17:07:55
#36 - Interesting post and contrast that with the Chairmanship of the Scottish Police Federation (who represent 97% of Police officers and who are a much more influential body) where very often the post is filled expertly by a Constable. Touch of self aggrandisement going on with Superintendent ranks, I feel. I wonder if she will fight for equality for male officers in pension arragements ......ah, I thought not.
38

JayDeeTee,

17/05/2008 17:37:07
#33 "To whom should I complain about the huge over representation of women in nursing and teaching?"

Very soon women will be over represented in almost all professions because they leave school with more qualifications than their male counterparts, and are therfore more qualified and more confident. The reason for this is probably because these girls work harder to obtain their exam passes, but we cannot ignore the fact that it must be very difficult for boys to excel in a classroom environment that is dominated by women teachers (who are probably biased towards female pupils). We need a better balance in the education system but, sadly, this will not happen as long as girls are out performing boys.
39

slamwidge,

london 18/05/2008 14:23:42
I would also like to see less people with convictions prior to joining the police being employed in positions of trust throughout the policeing and the judiciary.
40

slamwidge,

london 18/05/2008 14:29:15
i have noted that tribunals for people sectioned under the mental health acts are one sided and should be brought back to the publics view because they are currently one sided and should be more diverse. presently it is QUACKS WHO DOMINATE THE MENTAL HEALTH TRIBUNALS. Drugs dealt by GP's and Psychiatrists can make your kids queeer or even worse like Luke Mitchel, although i think his worst enemy was cannabis. There is not much difference as people who do one drug tend to misuse prescription drugs.
41

slamwidge,

london 18/05/2008 14:31:08
I would not worry about the gender of the top policeman/woman it is always politics and that has always been economics and getting elected the next time.
42

slamwidge,

london 18/05/2008 14:35:08
if she can realise drug testing she will be good enough for me, that way i hope even social workers and quacks will be dumped on the scrap heap and people like me can look forward to better care in hospitals and the community.

 

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