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Published Date: 30 August 2008
THE commission set up to look at the future of devolution in Scotland has had to cancel its first public event due to lack of interest, critics have claimed.
The Calman Commission – set up by Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories to look at new powers for the Scottish Parliament – was due to meet the public in Stirling on Monday.

But yesterday the event was suddenly cancelled. After repeated requests fo
r an explanation The Scotsman was told: "A small number of the necessary preparations for the event could not be completed in time".

The SNP – which is examining greater powers through its National Conversation – said the real reason was that few Scots were interested in talking to the Commission's members and suggested the forum had been "humiliated". A spokesman for the Calman Commission refused to comment on this.

Chaired by Sir Kenneth Calman, the Commission has been under constant attack from the Nationalists, who have accused it of being a self-selecting, closed group who, unlike the National Conversation, have failed to try to get the views of ordinary people.

They have also questioned why it will not look at the question of independence but only at increasing powers in the devolution settlement.

The invitation-only event at the Tolbooth arts centre in Stirling was going to be the first attempt to meet the public, although the commission has asked for responses on its website.

The event was set to emulate a tour of Scotland recently carried out by the Scottish Cabinet as part of the National Conversation.

A Scottish Government source said: "It comes as absolutely no surprise that members of the Calman Commission have had to cancel their trip to Stirling because of lack of interest.

"Not content with excluding the option of independence from their discussions, the Unionist parties have been determined to exclude the people from talks on their country's future – the commission has been nothing more than a group of politicians talking to each other behind closed doors."

He said the cancellation was "an enormous humiliation for the Commission and added that the contrast with the "open, inclusive nature" of the SNP Government's National Conversation could not be starker.

"It has captured the imagination of people the length and breadth of Scotland, with more than 425,000 hits on the Scottish Government website, while hundreds of members of the public packed out town halls to hear Cabinet ministers at the recent events held around the country," he said.

But a commission spokesman insisted the reason was that some preparations, in particular the analysis of submissions from interest groups, could not be completed in time.

He added: "The commission has a serious task ahead of it in exploring the experience of Scottish devolution and it is determined to make sure its engagement programme and work is as effective as possible."

It will now have its first meeting with the public in Glasgow in a fortnight and the Stirling event will be rescheduled.

BACKGROUND

THE Calman Commission was the brainchild of Wendy Alexander, not long after she became leader of the Labour Party at Holyrood.

Her plan was to have a rival body to the SNP government's National Conversation looking at the devolution settlement ten years after it was agreed.

The SNP claimed that the proposal from Ms Alexander was intended to distract attention from an investigation into her leadership campaign donations which was beginning at the time and ultimately led to her resigning over the summer.

However, unlike the National Conversation, the proposal was supported in the Scottish Parliament and voted through with a budget with backing from the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.

But the commission's remit specifically did not allow it to look at the independence question.

Sir Kenneth Calman was chosen to chair it and its membership includes politicians from the main Unionist parties along with business, religious, youth and union representatives.







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  • Last Updated: 29 August 2008 9:32 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Senga Jean,

30/08/2008 00:02:34
I would celebrate "INDEPENDENCE DAY"
2

Resolutions,

30/08/2008 00:06:06
Calman Commission? Who?

Devolution - got it

Independence - now you are talking!
3

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

30/08/2008 00:07:36


Well, what can we say.......

Rudderless, exclusive and by the looks of thwarted by it's own staff despite receiving well over £500,000 of tax payers money.

Breathtaking


4

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:10:27
I suppose it's a bit like "Britishness Day"

No one showed any interest in that apart from the BNP.

Roll on Independence Day - I can't wait!!
5

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:12:44
From The Telegraph.

"Official figures showed that central government spent a total of £391 million on advertising, marketing, PR and other presentational work in 2007-08.

The total is up by £53 million on the previous year, when it was £338 million - a rise of almost 16 per cent.

When he took office last year, Mr Brown pledged a new sort of politics and sought to distance himself from his predecessor, who was frequently accused of being too heavily involved in spin and presentation."

Yet more lies Comrade Broon????

When's the next relaunch, Comrade????
6

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:14:52
From The Times

"Business leaders sought urgent clarification from Alistair Darling last night on the rules around corporate tax after Regus, the office rental group, became the third company in as many days to say that it was quitting Britain for more a favourable tax regime."

An independent Scotland could attract businesses like this if we run our own country.

It's time

Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland.
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An Beal Bacht,

30/08/2008 00:18:26
This is hilarious. Who exactly did they say they represent? An "invited audience" and no one wants to come. NUMPTIES!!! Hoo Haar
8

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:25:23
#12

So we let firms go overseas then??

Very New Labour Sleaze!
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30/08/2008 00:32:36
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:37:39
#14

As an obvious New Labour Sleaze voter, it looks like I'll have to spell it out for you.

As an independent nation we can set our own tax rates and offer incentives to firms to locate and prosper in Scotland. Ireland manage that fine. So can we

Vote SNP for a fairer society.
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30/08/2008 00:47:38
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 00:55:39
A missed chance for the Hootsmon surely?

Not interested in devolution?

Well Independence is...er not devolution...

...Kind of spin.
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dude,

wishaw 30/08/2008 00:56:46
Seats (according to Electoral Calculus)

SNP 42
Labour 9
Conservatives 3
LibDem 5

do you think Mr Grey will still think he can be first minister after that result. i feel there are are great deal of people undecided as yrt about the SNP but as time goes on and these clowns keep it up the result above can happen, the sky is the limit!
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Guga II,

Rockall 30/08/2008 00:58:49
"The invitation-only event at the Tolbooth arts centre in Stirling was going to be the first attempt to meet the public".

Only the Unionists would consider an invitation-only event as "meeting the public". Then again, only the Unionists would consider it normal to sell out their own country.

Unionists - Parcel of rogues.
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Darien,

Panama 30/08/2008 01:00:02
"THE Calman Commission was the brainchild of Wendy Alexander"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..................
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30/08/2008 01:01:30
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 01:28:12
Wish I'd got an invite, plebs not welcome obviously.

Calman chair: Questions from the floor please ?
Floor: Aye, to the spotty ginger heided gadgy than won Big Brother...
Calman chair: What is your question ?
Floor: Who's gonna win it this year then ?

18

Oldnat,

30/08/2008 01:35:03
#17 Stefan

Not in a "dingy cellar", bt in the Earl of Moray's Summer House. The building still exists moved to the back of Moray House in the Canongate. It's used to store redundant artifacts, and the dustbins are alongside. Rather appropriate.
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Brian Hill,

30/08/2008 01:41:20
What an embarrassment. Unionist morale must be through the floor by now.

An emphatic win in Glenrothes will surely be the tipping point from which there is no return for Unionism.

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An Beal Bacht,

30/08/2008 01:51:07
25Col. Blimp IV*, 30/08/2008 01:17:14

Here's mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF7JfqWCZnc
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Oldnat,

30/08/2008 01:51:11
"It (Calman Commission) will now have its first meeting with the public in Glasgow in a fortnight".

What public? Will they publicly list the people they invite to attend?
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Wisnaeme,

30/08/2008 02:40:31
Lack of interest?
No, it isn't a lack of interest that's the main problem.
A lack of sincerity by the advocates of the Calman Commission, perhaps is nearer to the truth of the matter.
But I'm suggesting the root of this "discussion's" problem is folk feel, with good cause that they are being manipulated. That issues of concern are being controlled by folk embarked on a damage limitation exercise with self interest as their main motivation. By the same folk who accept very little responsibility for their past actions beyond an occasional platitude of lessons were learned.
How can folk trust or put faith in the political powers that be when they are so blatantly denied accountability from these very same posturing creatures offering quasi-democracy in the form of "discussion"? Let the people discuss, indeed. Is there no end to their duplicity?
This UK government has lost the respect of the majority of the governed in whatever part of the Union it governs and not just in Scotland. Folk were dismayed by Tory sleaze and incompetence whilst they were in office and thought things would get better under Blair. They haven't and it's gone from bad to worse under Brown.
This "discussion" is being promoted by the very people who have not only brought the Westminster, UK parliament into disrepute but tainted the Scottish parliament as well by their administrations. There is no doubt what so ever that the Union is in deep jeopardy not merely because there is now competent, trustworthy and accountable governance in Scotland but also because those qualities are sadly lacking else where, in another place. In the end, folk will be driven away by default to seek independence from what UK governance and Westminster has become.
.
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Team Scotland,

FC UK No! 30/08/2008 03:22:23
The Calman Commission

Slim chance, omits moan. (anag.)
24

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 30/08/2008 03:45:23
Danielrober tells us all about negatives of a future Independant Scotland. He harps on about free enterprise and its choice to locate where it pleases. Yes we all realise this Danielrober, very basic economics you would think, but have a look at what mega business has done for most of the countries around the world. They take but never put back in thanks to Westmonster type politicians who are in big business pockets.

Alistair Darling has just come out and informed the Guardian New Labour Mouthpiece that we are in the biggest recession since 1948. 1948 for these islands was a time of rationing and abject poverty for the bulk of people in the so called UK. He has admitted that people will not vote for New Labour because people are in his words "Pis s ed" of with them.(Sorry but the Hootsman doesnt allow words used by the Chancellor of the Exchequor).

He estimates that 2 million people will be unemployed by Christmas and there is little chance of this turning round in the medium future.

Britain is broke thanks to New Labour supporting Big Business without concentration on encouraging a good small business core economy. At least Alex Salmond had the foresight to see this happening and cut costs for 180,000 small business's in Scotland.

Scotlands only real hope is to break up the UK, and go it alone with our healthier economy and Oil Reserves to support us through the upcoming hardtimes.

Its Time to get on the Liferafts and look after our own kind. We need to cut the rope and cast England adrift, to their own fate.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 30/08/2008 04:11:59
#33 Liferafts and our own kind. Such Imagery

A Better Way what do you mean our own kind.?


Humanity is our own kind
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Sean K,

Elgin 30/08/2008 04:27:43
For years now, New Labour, Lib-Dems and Tories have parroted the line that "there is no wish or interest in Independence on the part of most of the Scottish people - they just want better devolution" !

Well, - now we see how enthused the Scots are about 'improved devolution' . Even an invitation only event cannot muster an audience.

And why is it by invitation only ? Because the hand-picked unionist members of the Calman Commission are scared of ever being confronted by the Scottish people they claim to speak for !!!
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An Beal Bacht,

30/08/2008 05:19:33
34Willie Macleod, Wick 30/08/2008 04:11:59

Wullie - ye mean your no wan ae us? You'd prefer tae be a member ae the New (Neo-Con) World Order? Some ae us would rather govern oor ain country than to abdicate that responsibility to some cabal far away and furth ae Scotland. But there's nae accountin for taste and there's nane as qu**r as folk.

(not allowed tae yase that word!)


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An Beal Bacht,

30/08/2008 05:19:58
34Willie Macleod, Wick 30/08/2008 04:11:59

Wullie - ye mean your no wan ae us? You'd prefer tae be a member ae the New (Neo-Con) World Order? Some ae us would rather govern oor ain country than to abdicate that responsibility to some cabal far away and furth ae Scotland. But there's nae accountin for taste and there's nane as qu**r as folk.

(not allowed tae yase that word!)


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1745,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 07:36:11
27#
Wrong! that is where it was supposed to be signed. However, the Edinburgh Mob made them run fo their lives and it was indeed signed in a cellar in Mylnes Square (No longer extant) which stood at the top of what is now Cockburn Street.
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donald anderson it's me,

weegieland 30/08/2008 07:45:56
Waht have the Three Stooges got to say aboot this then?
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 30/08/2008 07:53:19
The unionists could not organise a party in a BREWERY. How the hell do they expect us the SCOTTISH PEOPLE to believe anything they say. In the words of the prophet; THEY ARE FOULKED!!!! Have a nice day YALL!
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Nikostratos,

30/08/2008 07:58:07
It wasn't the calman commission who said they "had to cancel its first public event due to lack of interest, critics have claimed."


"The SNP said the real reason was that few Scots were interested"

what was actually said by the calman commisison was

"A small number of the necessary preparations for the event could not be completed in time".

but then the drones were ordered out again to flood the media with their 'Ridiculous' claims again.



425,000 hits has been done to death even the dogd in the street know that was from a handful of unique I.P addresses Most of from the sad sacks above.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 08:16:20
Why doesn't The Canute Commission call an open public meeting in Glenrothes once the campaign starts and invite the TV companies.

Why not if they are so confident that anything they eventually come up with will be supported by the electorate.
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Nikostratos,

30/08/2008 08:21:51
#45



· January 16 1707: Scottish parliament, meeting in Edinburgh, ratifies the Treaty of Union by 110 votes to 69

and again in 2010..2011..2012..2013..2014 and forever and ever the 'Union.


Oh! and do yourself a favour and get an up to date story
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 08:29:49
42 Nikos

Nikos, old chum, I fear for our union.

If, despite publishing the time-table a month ago, we cannot organise a wee meeting because "a small number of the necessary preparations could not be completed in time" how can we hope to organise the future direction of our country?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 08:30:18
No-one came 'cause no-one's bothered. Apart from the usual frothing Nats on here, the MAJORITY are quite happy with the status quo. Accept and weep! LOL
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beckypumps1,

Fife (soon to be liebour free) 30/08/2008 08:32:58
Calman Commission what a joke.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 08:42:24
A. Darling in Guardian to-day says about Labour "People are pissed off with us."

Wendy Alexander, the former Scottish Labour leader, is "not likable at all"
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 08:42:59
Morning Nats-yous are all up early today with, it would seem, nobody to talk to as there appears not to be any Unionists about the shop! Agree the Calman commision is a waste of time-what is needed is a UK wide constitutional Commission involving all parties discussing all options. In the meantime, I am reminded of Python-you're all a snotty nosed little heap of parrot droppings, so there!! AND the independence debate is becoming a little tiresome-I doubt whether I will ever convince any of you the misguided to see the light! Again i recall Python" They go on and on and on about how many languages Mr Powell can speak and how..."
Forgotten the rest. Hope u are all well!
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 08:42:59
Morning Nats-yous are all up early today with, it would seem, nobody to talk to as there appears not to be any Unionists about the shop! Agree the Calman commision is a waste of time-what is needed is a UK wide constitutional Commission involving all parties discussing all options. In the meantime, I am reminded of Python-you're all a snotty nosed little heap of parrot droppings, so there!! AND the independence debate is becoming a little tiresome-I doubt whether I will ever convince any of you the misguided to see the light! Again i recall Python" They go on and on and on about how many languages Mr Powell can speak and how..."
Forgotten the rest. Hope u are all well!
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30/08/2008 08:45:34
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 08:51:07
Could it be that the vast majority of Scots are simply content with the present Devolution status quo and have little interest in politicians talking about the obvious?
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GM,

30/08/2008 08:54:01
@13

Scotland already has a better business rates regime than England and Wales (SBBS and void relief) -

Think what we could do if we had real fiscal autonomy to attract more business.

Isn't it strange that the worst effects of the 'credit crunch' haven't yet hit scotland (other than indirectly due to decisions taken south of the border).
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GM,

30/08/2008 08:55:58
@56
I thought she had already turned down the opportunity to stand?
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GM,

30/08/2008 08:56:31
It would appear not.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:01:16
#52 MacGillicuddy

Maybe in the wee backrooms where all you Nats froth and gnash it's a huge issue, but among normal people the subject of the relative powers of the Scottish parliament is not exactly the hot topic du jour. 'Oh look, the Calman Commission roadshow, let's make a family day out of it!' Not.
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Steve,

Glenrothes bound 30/08/2008 09:02:44
Fellow nats, enough talk about Glenrothes, how about actually getting there? Like now!!
It's not on the moon, there's a dual carriageway all the way there... The campaign has begun, candidate, offices, printing etc, and the SNP should be pressing home its advantage. Get stuck in. Leave Labour to faff about selecting their candidate.. and having "commissions" about things.
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:04:12
61 Draco -followed by an evening at an insurance seminar to top of a perfect day! :)
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Steve,

Glenrothes bound. 30/08/2008 09:09:38
Yeah right I'm going to knock doors until my knuckles bleed.
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 09:09:48
61 Draco 63 Geoff

Morning, fellow unionists - it was getting a bit lonely on here.

There is a persistent rumour in unionist circles that the meeting was cancelled because there was no-one available to dress Lord James Douglas-Hamilton and wash behind his ears.

It seems that Jimmy's butler got his finger stuck in the bacon-slicer and that they were both sacked. You just cannot get the staff nowadays!
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:15:48
66 Brownlie-Morning Brownlie-how are u old sport. Sorry to hear of Laird jimmy's labour (note small'l') troubles. I could perhaps arrange to send him a couple of our natives to help out in the interim. Only hope they can get past HM's Customs lads at heathrow-they seemed to be coming down rather strong on people of colour when i was last there!
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:17:46
67 The spook in Leith-tut tut-language Spook!
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 09:19:43
67 The Spook

G'morning, Spook, how's your frothing and gnashing this morning?

Good luck in Selkirk - watch out for the cow-pats!
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 30/08/2008 09:22:24
The Calman Commission has all the popular appeal of, say a GB Olympic fitba team.
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Richardinho,

30/08/2008 09:23:34
What's the point of introducing devolution when we already have it?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:27:01
#67 Spook

Such vituperation changes nowt. When it comes to The Big Question, you Nats are on a loser. Accept and weep.

P.S. Any person who regularly speaks in the third person can hardly make a judgement on the normality of another.
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 09:31:19
75 Draco

Hey oop, Draco, when does a person from Edinburgh use the word "nowt"?

Do you call traffic lights "robots"?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/08/2008 09:36:55
The only Debate =
Scotland or Britland

and it’s Scotland for Me

‘Are we not men ? . . . we are Devo‘
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 09:37:28
78 daniel

Daniel, there is help for you out there if you ask for it.
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European Scot,

30/08/2008 09:38:01
No matter how much some of you Unionist supporters try and play this one down, the truth is there doesn't appear to be very much enthusiasm for Calman, and his commission.
A Unionist commission, set up by Unionists, and packed full of Unionists, and yet it would seem, not even Unionists are are prepared to support it.
Up until now it has been regarded as a bit of a joke by quite a few of us, but after this, it will be even more so.
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:38:56
77 Brownlie-I thought only South africans called traffic lights "Robots" and of course Barbecues Braaivleis's but you guys wouldnt have heard of either as you cant have outside fires in scotland as it rains all the time.
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:43:46
82 European Scot-Morning Old Man! Put it all down to the elusive but substantive "Silent Majority" who will have their say in support of the Union on referendum Day!!
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:43:47
82 European Scot-Morning Old Man! Put it all down to the elusive but substantive "Silent Majority" who will have their say in support of the Union on referendum Day!!
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:44:30
Or should that have been'substantial'?
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Calvinist,

30/08/2008 09:46:02
Both the Calman Commission and the National Conversation are a sham, The Calman Commission is simply a group of 'dinner party' people talking to each other whereas the National Conversation is an SNP propaganda machine that Joseph Goebels would be proud of. Let's face it the average person in Scotland is not interested in constitutional issues; there are more pressing issues such as rising fuel bills, rising food costs, health care, unemployment etc.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/08/2008 09:46:27
Anyone notice how Britain and the west are Blawin’ Aff aboot Georgia’s right to ‘independence’ and their Bigger more powerful neighbour should not be doing what they are doing - sometimes I wonder aboot Scotlands Right to Independence and how her bigger more powerful neighbour . . . aw, ye get the jist o what I mean eh ?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 09:46:31
#32 Team Scotland

Brilliant !!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 09:48:59
#33 A Better Way

Well done for interpreting Danielrober's cryptic posts.

Personally, I can't make head nor tail of them. I wasn't even sure if he was pro or anti Scotland/Independence.
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30/08/2008 09:50:27
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:50:30
92 lulach etc.-there is a huge difference between scotland and georgia. If scotland wants independence,she shall have it with the best wishes of her former Union partners. And serious question-in your wildest dreams can you ever see england invading scotland and recognising the independent enclave of ibroxia?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:52:23
#79 Nowt

Good to see a Nat with a sense of humour. And I use 'nowt' as a may occasionally use the words 'bungalow' or 'pyjamas'. Not Scottish words but useful, in context. Lulach at #80 hits the nail right on the head. There is only one debate, although he's wrong in that the two aren't mutually exclusive, that's what you Nats can't seem to grasp and why you're on a loser. Anything else, yir Calman Commissions and National Conversations, they keep the political anoraks in out of the rain but are of no interest to Joe Public (there, an Americanism as well!)
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Linda,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:53:03
91 Calvanist.

If you bother to read the National Conversation document you will see that also includes devolution as an option for the people of Scotland. It is considering ALL the options unlike the Calman Commission.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/08/2008 09:53:24
#97 Geoff Yes
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 09:53:31
#42 Niko

The word "gullible" is not in the disctionary. Were you aware of that?

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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:55:06
#91 Calvinist

Didn't see your post as I was replying to the Spook. My point exactly, great minds.....
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 09:59:24
#62 Steve

Not forgetting the need to donate cash to the SNP Glenrothes campaign. It can be done online.
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 10:02:31
99 Draco-good post and my point entirely-you can be british and scottish-the best of both worlds!

101 Lulach-"Geoff yes." !!! Wow lulach now there's an interesting opinion unless your taking the mick. If you are being serious though I doubt if there are many Scottish Nationalists that share your view.
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Darien,

Panama 30/08/2008 10:03:40
#42 Nikostratosphere - your only digging the hole deeper. Expect #44 is right about you.

#47 "· January 16 1707: Scottish parliament, meeting in Edinburgh, ratifies the Treaty of Union by 110 votes to 69"
Hardly a democratic referendum, more a parcel of rogue aristos efter a wee bit English gold. Or don't you know the facts?

#54 - Geoff: Did you have a point to make?

#56




I hope Lord Wallace, the CBI chappie and all the other Calmaningers are enjoying their weekend.

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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 10:05:17
104 Spook-enjoy ur shopping and regards to gran!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 10:05:27
#78 danielrober

Another opaque post, littered with grammatical errors and poor syntax. Haven't a clue what point you are trying to make or where you stand, politically.
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 10:05:37
102 con-naughty boy

Lol! Have you looked under "g"?
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 10:07:10
109 Lulach-perhaps two sides of the same coin
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 10:08:07
99 Draco

Fit maks ye think I'm a nat?
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European Scot,

30/08/2008 10:08:26
88 Geoff

" Put it all down to the elusive but substantive "Silent Majority" who will have their say in support of the Union on referendum Day!! "

Good morning to you young man !
I trust you had a 'substantive' breakfast !
I can't talk, I put two are's one after the other. Don't know my ares from my elbow !
I am absolutely certain that the vast majority will be less than silent, as I have yet to witness any celebration of Independence that was conducted quietly !!
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 10:12:09
108 Darien-"54did you have a point to make" Sort of yes and no-perhaps we take ourselves too seriously, Monty Pythons humour contains much oblique wisdom-stuff along those lines and oh yes-the first part of my post re the Calman commission -that was the main point I was trying to make.
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 10:12:09
108 Darien-"54did you have a point to make" Sort of yes and no-perhaps we take ourselves too seriously, Monty Pythons humour contains much oblique wisdom-stuff along those lines and oh yes-the first part of my post re the Calman commission -that was the main point I was trying to make.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 10:13:17
"But yesterday the event was suddenly cancelled. After repeated requests for an explanation The Scotsman was told:

"A small number of the necessary preparations for the event could not be completed in time".

"in any case, we are too busy putting the finishing touches to our final report"
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 10:14:34
116 European scot-you're on fine form this morning ES!What IS the difference between 'substantive' and 'substantial'?
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 10:17:12
109 lulach,

I hope the Spook is not offended by your silly and embarrassing posting.
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 10:17:16
120 Lulach-pleased to have cleared that up :) What does your obscure Gaelic moniker mean btw?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/08/2008 10:18:18
News just in - I’ve heard Gordo Broon has just announced Independence for Scotland in a hope to get some votes !
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/08/2008 10:23:36
#123 don’t be embarassed or feel silly - look up the dictionary it’s the definition of ‘Spook’ - if you are gonna use it - Justify or Clarify it !

#124 You should know the people and history of a nation if you wish to have or make an informed opinion on it !
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 10:25:04
124 Geoff

It is probably an adaptation of the Gaelic expression "Chan'eil e glic!"
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 10:25:19
124 Geoff

It is probably an adaptation of the Gaelic expression "Chan'eil e glic!"
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 10:27:14
I have accused Labour of many things in the past, but until now that has not included innumeracy. I apologise for that omission.

ps Remember to donate to the SNP Glenrothes campaign.

Do it online.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/08/2008 10:31:51
#129 ah . . . ignorance is bliss ehh?
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Darien,

30/08/2008 10:34:23
#119 Geoff: You should join the FibDums, they are into Python bigstyle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKp7HDv01hk

#116 Euroscot: "I have yet to witness any celebration of Independence that was conducted quietly !!"
Yip, it'll be a real blast. there is absolutely nothing like the rebirth of a suppressed nation. And a lot more exciting than marching up the Mound in pre-dev times.
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 10:35:57
127 lulach

Did it ever occur to you that your interpretation of his name is not only entirely inappropriate in this instance but one that you would find embarrassing if you said it to his face?
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 10:36:23
127 lulach

Did it ever occur to you that your interpretation of his name is not only entirely inappropriate in this instance but one that you would find embarrassing if you said it to his face?
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European Scot,

30/08/2008 10:41:59
122 Geoff

"What IS the difference between 'substantive' and 'substantial'?"

The majority for Independence will be substantial. ( huge, massive )
I believe that my comment above will be substantive. ( actual, real. )

Post Independence that will cost you a beer !! Not substantial, but hopefully substantive !
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 10:43:13
137 lulach

Yes, it was in the Stornoway Gazette under the head-line "Nut screwed and bolted".
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Keren, It's time,

Grey hair grey suit grey personality. 30/08/2008 10:49:21
It was Nicola Sturgeon who came up with 'whoever heard of anyone celebrating Devolution day?' not Margot.
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Darien,

Panama 30/08/2008 10:56:15
#137: In case you did not know about it, a day uit for your sort tomorrow.
http://www.prideglasgow.co.uk/
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European Scot,

30/08/2008 11:01:03
134 Darien

" Yip, it'll be a real blast. there is absolutely nothing like the rebirth of a suppressed nation. And a lot more exciting than marching up the Mound in pre-dev times."

Can you imagine the scale of those celebrations.
There would be people from all over the World coming to share the mood.
It would be immense, the images would be sent all around the World.
The declaration of Independence, what a fantastic moment that will be.
Then seeing the Saltire ceremonially raised, to the accompaniment of the pipes and drums, there won't be too many dry eyes around for that one.
The real beauty of it is, it's no longer a dream
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Team Scotland,

FC UK No! 30/08/2008 11:16:19
#92

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St Andrew 1 - St. George 0
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/08/2008 11:34:43
I'm not surprised there has been a lack of interest in the Calman commission's meeting. No normal person is interested in the SNP's conversation campaign either.
In fact the only people who seem to want to discuss the constitutional question is the SNP.
Makes a change from filling these forums with government propaganda, I suppose.
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Tris,

30/08/2008 11:42:07

Let's see if I got this right.

They invite a pile of people to come and give their opinions to this Calman travesty, presumably knowing what their opinions are in advance and that they suit the purpose, and these invitees can't be bothered to come.....so it's cancelled.

And it's cost over £500,000 of the Scottish block grant which could have been spent on something useful.

Another big thank you to Brown then for this complete waste of our money. You could have hired ANOTHER private jet from Dallas for that money you idiot.

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morris,

edinburgh 30/08/2008 11:47:01
Lets see now.

1)It was set up by three Unionist parties to consider a different version of devolution ONLY,with the independence issue (which is what some people in Scotland actually favour) excluded.

2) It was by invitation only!

3) Even they were not interested in a sham.

Well well well There's a surprise.

So the reccomendation of the Calman commission is what then? Pretend they serve a useful purpose and consulted the people?

Aye that will be right!

141

What a revelation !

The only people who want to discuss the constitutional question are those whose raison d etre is to change the constitution of the UK.
The Unionists would prefer the Union Status Quo or a tinkered with version of it.

You really are a wealth of information Nik !




Looks like today is full of surprises!
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 11:52:51
141 Grahamski

From your stirring contribution - a shining light in a sea of darkness - to the unionist cause I take it that you class yourself as a normal person?
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radge dug,

Dùn Eideann 30/08/2008 11:58:22
Im looking for Highland Mighty who used to scoff that only 10s of thousands of Scots had entered into the SNP Government's National Conversation.

Ironic that the unionist/devo equivalent is now being shut down due to lack of interest.

Time to leave the outdated imperialist union in the past.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/08/2008 12:06:09
143
Morris,
The only people who consider the constitutional question important are those who are obsessed by it. I'm not, I believe I am in the majority in this country who really don't see it as particularly important.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 12:13:33
#146

Of course the country do care for the constitutional question.

Hence why there are Unionists, Nationalists, Pro-Independence groups, Develutionists etc etc
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European Scot,

30/08/2008 12:14:35
146 Grahamski

"The only people who consider the constitutional question important are those who are obsessed by it. I'm not, I believe I am in the majority in this country who really don't see it as particularly important."

So you won't be voting at the Referendum then ?!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/08/2008 12:16:44
148,
What referendum? Currently the majority of our parliament doesn't support a referendum on any subject.
Never mind, you never know - the minority may just prevail. Democracy? No thanks!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/08/2008 12:18:10
147
Do you honestly believe that outwith the SNP and other looney tunes nationalist parties, anybody would describe themselves as a unionist or seperatist?
You're having a laugh!
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 12:22:31
#150

Pfft, even without the Nationalists you would still have people askig for more powers and if you support Labour more powers but also give more powers back.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 12:22:53
#146 Graham

"I believe I am in the majority in this country who really don't see it as particularly important."

What you "believe" and "reality" are two completely different things as you will find out soon enough.

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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 12:28:25
#149 Grahamster

I think that polling indicates around 65% of Scots are in favour of a referendum. I would suggest that these 65% seem to think the independence issue is important, whether they are pro or anti.

That puts you in a relatively small (and shrinking) minority of 35%.

http://www.stv.tv/content/news/main/display.html?id=opencms:/news/stv_news__Majority_of_Scots_would_like__08040511
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European Scot,

30/08/2008 12:29:56
148 Grahamski

"What referendum? Currently the majority of our parliament doesn't support a referendum on any subject."

Strange, I thought the Labour Party had agreed to one in principle, well in as much as they still have one.
Even the new Liberal leader, his name escapes me, hasn't ruled out the possibility of a Referendum.
So if there were one, would you consider it too obsessional to participate ?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/08/2008 12:31:01
152

'What you "believe" and "reality" are two completely different things as you will find out soon enough.'
Well, that's certainly true. For example how would you describe a cadre of cyber activists who spent their time pumping out government propaganda and attacking opponents of the government as traitors?
Do you think they would be seen as:
a) Heroic, almost freedom fighters?
b) Sinister agents of a government who can't take criticism?
Wow, two sides to every story, eh?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/08/2008 12:33:19
153
We still live in a parliamentary democracy. If the electors in Scotland are as keen for a referendum as you suggest then that will be reflected at the ballot box at the next election.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 12:37:26
#155 Grayham

I agree 100%.

I also hate the cadre of cyber activists who spend their time "pumping out government propaganda" and "attacking opponents of the government as traitors". That led directly to the invasion of Iraq. All based on lies and government propaganda.

Glad to have you as a convert to the cause brother.

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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 12:38:24
135 European scot-perhaps that beer could be both substantial AND substantive!
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European Scot,

30/08/2008 12:39:40
152 Grahamski

" For example how would you describe a cadre of cyber activists who spent their time pumping out government propaganda and attacking opponents of the government as traitors?"

Would you be referring to the Labour Party's Web site ?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 12:39:45
#156 Graham

In what possible way will peoples' desire to have an independence referendum be "reflected at the ballot box at the next election."?

Specious nonsense Graham. Engage brain before typing!
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Nikostratos,

30/08/2008 12:52:09



If you lot (snp drones) can get permission from your local cell commanders please attend.

http://www.commissiononscottishdevolution.org.uk/index.php

haven't seen any invitation to attend independence meetings outside of the snps grand tour and four short invitation only meetings.

Still the nationalists are more at home firing of abusive and misleading comments from their PCs.
As opposed to taking a more positive and constructive
approach towards the choices being reviewed at the calman commission which the overwhelming majority of scots have shown they prefer.




http://www.commissiononscottishdevolution.org.uk/


Commission on Scottish Devolution
An independent review of the experience of devolution in Scotland






http://csd.catchline.co.uk/

"There will be an event taking place in a town near you between September 2008 and March 2009. Come along and take part in the debate on Scotland’s future."


Click here to request a place
http://csd.catchline.co.uk/reg_1.asp


http://csd.catchline.co.uk/venues.asp

Glasgow Trades Hall, 85 Glassford Street, Glasgow, G1 1UH Map 14:30 - 17:00 10 September 2008

Dumfries The Cairndale Hotel and Leisure Club, English Street, Dumfries, DG1 2DF Map 11:00 - 14:00 25 September 2008
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Media 1,

Cape Town 30/08/2008 12:54:10
The Union Jack is more important than the StAndrew's cross, always has been, always will be!
Sure we may feel a greater sense of passion to the latter, but its merely misplaced. At the end of the day the Union is what makes Scotland great, the Union is what makes Scotland so affluent and completely wonderful.

Some of the weaker minds in Scotland will be infiltrated by the SNP rhetoric. They will be indoctrinated to see Scotland as a little dog that belongs to England, they will be indoctrinated to see Scotland as a powerless nothing state, when in fact Scotland is MUCH MUCH bigger and important than that! Scotland is nobodies wee dog, Scotland is a powerful member of the union.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 12:59:54
#162 Media 1

That is troll-like bahaviour Media 1.

You will fail to get your desired response to such blatant baiting.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 13:01:19
People just aren't interested in independence. The minority who are would only turn up for a full on SNP cultfest event.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 13:09:10
It's one thing to think Scottish independence/devolution is important because of media spivs, politicians and cybernutter bloggers for the SNP farting out their mouths about it all day every day.

But when you try and translate that to the people. It fails, because there is no interest in independence. Scotland couldn't care where the work gets done, Westminster or Holyrood. Just as long as the work gets done and to a good standard.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 13:09:24
It's one thing to think Scottish independence/devolution is important because of media spivs, politicians and cybernutter bloggers for the SNP farting out their mouths about it all day every day.

But when you try and translate that to the people. It fails, because there is no interest in independence. Scotland couldn't care where the work gets done, Westminster or Holyrood. Just as long as the work gets done and to a good standard.
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European Scot,

30/08/2008 13:09:26
158 Geoff

" perhaps that beer could be both substantial AND substantive! "

Well Geoff I'd be happy to reciprocate !
Perhaps some of the younger element on here will be able to organise a grand get together post Independence, for posters on here from both sides.
It would be kind of fun to put a face to a post., even yours !!
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Glaswegian,

Glasgow 30/08/2008 13:10:43
"A small number of the necessary preparations for the event could not be completed in time".

By which they obviously mean finding an audience.
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Media 1,

cape town 30/08/2008 13:11:17
Connaughtboy

I dont need a response. All I need to do is remember what a great country Scotland is. Sure she has her problems, what country doesnt? But she is NOBODIES WEE DOG! Scotland is far more important than the little nothing state the SNP make her out to be.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 13:14:13
Behold, Media 1 making a phanny of himself for all to see!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 13:19:03
Bring on the Glenrothes bye-bye election.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 13:26:19
#169

Lets go back in history.

Who claimed that Scotland was to poor, to stupid, far incapable of going it alone? Labour the the Tory party.

But who claimed Scotland can go it alone and be one of the richest countries in the world? Why it was the SNP...

Now which party appears to actually belive in Scotland? - the SNP!!!
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 13:27:56
#166

Yes I am sure the people of Scotland don't care where the work gets done, at Holyrood or Westminister. Hang on, did we not have a referendum for our own Parliament to handle Scottish issues?

We did and we got our Parliament. Obviosly the people of Scotland want their business done up North.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 13:34:10
162. Well said,only the nats look upon the union as scotland being the weaker partner.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 13:36:08
#174

Take alook at Westminister, which nationality holds the most seats?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 13:37:06
#175 Thomas

Don't waste your time on a troll. You will never get a reasoned debate with kumbag.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 13:38:22
That applies to Medical 1 too....
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 13:39:23
#176

I'm still waiting for the Blackwatch and Highlanders to pour out of their Barracks and begin holding Scotland against her will in the Unioin....:\
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kimba,

30/08/2008 13:44:01
174. LETS SEE. SCOTTISH PM, SCOTTISH CHANCELLOR,SCOTTISH DEFENCE MINISTER,NOT BAD FOR STARTERS!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 13:46:24
176. SO WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR CO-K EYED THINKING, STOP YOUR STROP,GOMPER.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 13:49:51
178.British troops have to follow orders,if the scottish troops did not, they would be court martialed.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 30/08/2008 13:54:06
The Calman Comission was set up as a panic, what can we do, measure by the unionist parties to counter the SNP.
Chickens are coming home to rooste because when the commission is completed with it's obvious report.
People are going to laugh their socks off at what they recommend.
The amount of time and money wasted just to say the parliament should have more limited powers is going to make them a laughing stock !
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 14:05:00
#178

Simple civy.

Thank god you are not PM, we would never follow you.

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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 14:06:06
#179

Four posts out of 23 or somthing?

Ah yes I see Scots sure do control the country...
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 14:06:43
#179

Alistar was bron in London and since you don't recognise David Cameron as Scottish then either will Alistar so the Chancellor is not Scottish
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Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Toun Ayrshire 30/08/2008 14:12:26
Kimba @ 179, and can you name anything good the 3 of them are doing for Scotland ?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 14:15:30
Feeding the troll. I'm off!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 14:25:15
186. They aren't doing anything "good" for England or Wales,so stop bitching!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 14:26:00
187. See you're throwing your dummy out the pram again!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 14:27:05
184. You could not get more important posts!
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morris,

edinburgh 30/08/2008 14:28:37
Kimba

Have you ever made a comment that did not show you up as dead from the neck up?
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 14:37:25
But Kimba, do you now recognise that David Cameron is Scottish?

If you can recognise that Alistar Darling is Scottish despite being born/brought up in London then David Cameron is also Scottish.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 14:58:15
SNP voters just go on... and on... and on about independence all day every day.

I fell sorry for the sad creatures, the majority of people just don't care about that or them, the silly kents.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 14:58:18
192. I never said that, obviously anyone born in England IS English!
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Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Toun Ayrshire 30/08/2008 14:59:06
Is Kimba short for Kimberley ?
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Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Toun Ayrshire 30/08/2008 14:59:28
Is Kimba short for Kimberley ?
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 15:00:26
#196

"174. LETS SEE. SCOTTISH PM, SCOTTISH CHANCELLOR,SCOTTISH DEFENCE MINISTER,NOT BAD FOR STARTERS!"

You said it Kimba, then there is no Scottish Chancellor.

So there are only two Scots in a cabinet of 23 others
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:03:27
194. What a sad,sad, gomper, you are nothing more than a spoilt child, you obviously can't take other peoples point of view,you are a typical nat,petulant child,who can't take a different opinion!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:04:16
198. NO.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:05:23
199. You have the PM for christ sake, you ain't gonna get much higher!
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 15:08:27
#202

Then we will have Cameron as PM, great news for Scotland. I wonder how far he will push for Scottish Independence and then rule England forever.
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TWC,

Scotland 30/08/2008 15:09:01
Not only Independence is excluded but smeone called
Niva Thiruchelvam,Secretariat
Commission on Scottish Devolution
Wrote and told me

"it will not be considering changes to the UK Parliament"
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:17:51
203. 9 October 1966 (1966-10-09) (age 41)
London, England. place of birth get real you sad gomper!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:19:52
203.Religion Church of England[1]
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:21:26
ThomasP. guess you're out of options!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:31:53
It amazes me that the decent people of Scotland let these racist bigots called the snp get away with their rhetoric,they DO NOT care a fig for the people of Scotland,their aim is for their own self worth.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:34:48
aah,thomasp,has the cat got yer tongue!
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 15:35:38
#207

No. I have cleary proven that Scotland is overpowered at Westminister. England controls the most seats and of course the most cabinet positions.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 15:37:12
#209

And your evidence to support your claim that the SNP do not care for Scotland is?

Strong words without even a small peice of evidence to support it...
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:40:47
212. Do you always talk out of your a-se, do you think by bullying and being a total gomper salmond will achieve anything,not with Brown,and certainly not with Cameron.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 15:47:43
#213

There is one difference between Brown and Cameron. Brown refused to work with the Nationalists, Cameron on the otherhand has openly stated to work with the Nationalists.

Salmond and the SNP will get more done with Cameron and since Scotland is such a anti-Tory place what else can Cameron do?
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kimba,

30/08/2008 15:48:37
All the snp seem to do is get Englands back up!
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 15:57:12
Kimba, Englands back up? Your not making any sense as usual.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 16:10:44
Thomas P is clearer an idiot.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 16:12:13
Thomas P talks out of his sweaty, itchy, crack.

I have never heard so much verbal diareah in all my life.

Independence is good so Scotland should be independence based on good things being best.

What type of stupid argument is that you smelly public sector worker.
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The Tin Man,

30/08/2008 16:14:00
#214 ThomasP

There is alread a loose SNP / Conservative coalition at Holyrood.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 30/08/2008 16:26:02
Just found an interesting bit on the herlad website.
Go to BBC Scotland and an interview with Darling by Brian Taylor.
It concerns his rude references to Wendy.
Very funny!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 16:29:56
220. If there is a god in heaven ,you will get yours,and a wee bit more for you're arrogance!
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 16:30:26
#219

It's a minority Government. Each party is capable of uniting over common interests. There is no coaliton but the Tories will work with the Nats over common interests to benefit one another.

Lib Dems are catching on slightly but Labour are still sulking away
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 16:32:24
#218

Public sector? I do more for Britain then you have ever done in your lifetime.

;-)
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kimba,

30/08/2008 16:33:26
214. Quote from Cameron.
"I will do anything and everything to keep the union together,if that means putting troops on the streets of Scotland,so be it".
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kimba,

30/08/2008 16:34:19
224. LOL, yeah right!
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 16:35:30
#225

C'mon Kimba, I have already spoken to you about Army loyalty. Can you stop the lies now please?

British troops on Scottish streets? I'd love to see the day.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 16:37:09
222: Kimba

Kimba, why are you interested in Scotland anyway? Would your energy and dynamic unifying theory of grammar not be better spend in England?

Or are you some kind of international cyber-terrorist whose sole aim is to give England a bad name?
199

ThomasP,

30/08/2008 16:37:22
#226

Well a teaching assistant is not exactly the best way to serve your country.

You are a small pawn to a bigger game. I, myself on the otherhand actually serve my country. I am sure I am more useful to the Government then you, since we can get a thousand more teachign assitants from Pakistan if needed anyway.
200

kimba,

30/08/2008 16:41:18
229. Like i said before,you are a gomper,my brother-in-law works for the department of works and pensions,my sister ia a admin assistant for dar
201

ThomasP,

30/08/2008 16:43:11
#230

And you are only an assitant teacher, not even a teacher, you are an extra.

You are simply the 'bag carrier'.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 16:44:34
230: Kimba,

Hopr in your role as teaching assistant your duties do not include spelling and grammar.

Be honest you work for free for a stray cats charity!
203

kimba,

30/08/2008 16:47:17
229. Like i said before,you are a gomper,my brother-in-law works for the department of works and pensions,my sister ia a admin assistant for dari Taylor,mp for Stockton south,so stop your boasting.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 16:50:50
Thomarse P

You stink of the smelly uneducated public sector admin dogsbodies.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 16:51:01
#234

Boasting? I am not boasting. I am simply helping you understand that I am more useful to the Government then you.

Your post #226 sounds as if you never belived what I do for the country is at all important.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 16:51:01
233. You want me to be honest! ok,as a class 3 teaching assistant,i earn 23,000 per annum,plus a pension,plus 40 days holiday,plus help towards a morgage. happy now!
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 16:51:40
#235

Thank you.

That is exactly the smell that I wanted to be recognised for.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 16:53:02
#233

I get ten weeks of leave, pension, health + dental, access to gyms, free food, housing etc etc

Who has the better deal?
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kimba,

30/08/2008 16:55:14
236.Your post #226 sounds as if you never belived what I do for the country is at all important.
learn too spell,you are a arrogant tw-t! (belived) what the hell is that?
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 16:57:12
#240

Simple error. I meant believed.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 16:58:34
239. So you don't do much work then,nothing to brag about,so when you are paying full price for your morgage,i'm paying 30% less!
212

Team Scotland,

30/08/2008 16:59:12
225 kimba
Quote from Cameron.
"I will do anything and everything to keep the union together,if that means putting troops on the streets of Scotland,so be it".

..___
..| ? |
./___\
|Troll |
|Spray
|____|
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kimba,

30/08/2008 17:02:05
241. yep,but when i or anyone else makes a "simple error" you jump on it like the total gomper you are.
As a teenager you are the biggest lier this side of the border,get real son!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 17:03:52
243.LOL, team scotland,what dream was that in!
215

kimba,

30/08/2008 17:05:08
"I will do anything and everything to keep the union together,if that means putting troops on the streets of Scotland,so be it".
lets wait and see shall we!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 17:11:14
246:

Kimba don't talk utter c**p. If the people of Scotland voted for independance and Cameron dared to put troops on the street they would be massacred.

We have vast supplies of anti aircraft mars bars and batter armaments complemented with Irn Bru Molotov cocktails, not even bringing to light our heavy artillery of haggis and stovie 'cluster bombs' Your troops would have no chance.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 17:13:04
#242

I don't do much work? Just because I get more holidays then you...its called a better deal. I simply get more then you.

I'm not married yet but once I am I will be paying about 100-300 quid depending on how many rooms I want in my house. All I pay for is the electricty etc etc

Better then you still?

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Team Scotland,

30/08/2008 17:13:39
246 kimba,

"I will do anything and everything to keep the union together,if that means putting troops on the streets of Scotland,so be it".

Source?
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 17:14:36
#246

Kimba, kimba, kimba...

I am a liar? Troops on the streets now? Cameron has not stated that and even the other Unionists are not supporting you here. The other Unionists are even laughing you while dismissing the whole idea as unrealistic.
220

brownlie,

30/08/2008 17:14:37
246 kimba

Greetings!!! I asked you yesterday what nationality the troops are going to be given that a significant percentage in just about every regiment are Scots?
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kimba,

30/08/2008 17:16:44
247. LOL, quite funny, but, it's not funny at all. Cameron went on to say: "I don't want to be prime minister of England,i want to be prime minister of the UK,all of it,including Scotland".
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Team Scotland,

30/08/2008 17:18:34
246 kimba,

"I will do anything and everything to keep the union together,if that means putting troops on the streets of Scotland,so be it".

Source?
223

kimba,

30/08/2008 17:20:04
251.

Grenadier Guards

Coldstream Guards

The Green Howards

The Cheshire Regiment

The Parachute Regiment

Special Air Service Regiment. a list of English regiments.
224

kimba,

30/08/2008 17:20:48
251. Cameron will only need the SAS!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 17:21:50
252:

What Cameron wants and what Cameron gets are in the hands of the Scots, no-one else Kimba.

His statement does not indicate he would put troops on the streets Kimba and you know it.

If England did, the whole international community would turn against them, the Scots would most certainly arm themselves and i think you would find we would have more friends than you.

Will neve come to that and well you know it!
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Team Scotland,

30/08/2008 17:21:52
246 kimba,

"I will do anything and everything to keep the union together,if that means putting troops on the streets of Scotland,so be it".

Source?
227

Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 17:23:06
Kimba:

Cut it out and stop being a 'gomper' whatever that is!
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 17:23:33
#255

Please double check the actual Nationality those people are. Regiments are based all over the UK but it does not only just attract locals but everyone nationally.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 17:25:10
#255

By the way Kimba. The SAS are the best that the BA has. To be trained for the SAS you are hand picked and then put through training etc etc Nationality has nothing to do with it.

You'll be surpised that the number of Scots though in these...top regiments.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 17:26:21
253. A speech to Scottish Conservatives,earlier this year.
Pity you nats can't or won't realise you stand no chance!
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 17:26:54
Oh, Kimba,

At least 30% of the SAS are traditionally Scots.
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 17:28:13
Oh, Kimba,

At least 30% of the SAS are traditionally Scots.

I should imagine the Coldstream Guards are around 70% Scots.
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St. George,

Bolton 30/08/2008 17:30:20
No. 2 Senga Jean.

Get away with you.

As I have stated previously, you are so predictable, it is becoming boring.
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pehman,

sussex 30/08/2008 17:32:35

Has calman said which powers he wants to hand back to w/minster yet ?
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 17:33:11
#261

Oh I do hate civies. Britain is struggling, our soldiers are being pushed to the limit as it is. There are not enough in Iraq or Afganistan, even our bases abroad are ill-equiped (anyone know where else Britain has bases?).

Now Kimba, you are expecting England to attack and invade Scotland? You are clueless to the type of backlash England will receive. Not only would England would in trouble by the EU and NATO but you forget that the English in Scotland would suffer and that Scots based abroad and all over the UK would end up defending their homes.

It would be costly, financially, politically and the amount of lives that would be lost would be incredible.
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Team Scotland,

, Kimba is a liar 30/08/2008 17:33:55
#253 kimba. “A speech to Scottish Conservatives,earlier this year.”

A source should be referenced as in the example below.

"I will do anything and everything to keep the union together,if that means putting troops on the streets of Scotland,so be it".

The Voices in Kimba’s head (Fable, 2008, p. 101)
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kimba,

30/08/2008 17:34:27
258/259/260. Will you please admit when you are wrong,you are both like spoilt children who throws their toy out of the pram, when you hear something you do not like.
You can bully,intimidate,bribe,and generally have a hissy fit for all i care,but,you nats will NEVER break up the union.
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 17:35:55
264 St George

Rubbish, how can somebody with a name like Senga be boring?

How can somebody named after a Saint be so cruel?
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 17:35:58
#268

Kima, you are destroying the Union yourself. Do you think you are actually doing the Scottish Unionists a favour? Our own soldiers on our streets haha
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 17:40:30
268 Kimba

I must admit you are a fascinating creature. Your thought processes are astonishing and worthy of a great deal of further investigation.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 17:40:44
269
brownlie, that particular saint managed to wipe out the dragon population.

Cruel, ruthless, and totally without regard of the Maiden/Dragon ecosystem.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 17:42:30
David Cameron: Speech to Scottish Conservative Party Conference - News Story - Conservative Party
I will do anything and everything to keep our two countries as one. Let me make it one hundred percent clear: I am passionate about the Union. I don't want to be the Prime Minister of England. I want to be Prime Minister of the United Kingdom - all of it, including Scotland.
"But let me say this: if it should ever come to a choice between constitutional perfection and the preservation of our nation, I know my choice, if i have to put troops on the streets of Scotland so be it.
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 17:42:47
272 Conan

How come Kimba's still around then?
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 17:42:56
#271

Kimba must be a radical Nationalist from Scotland. I've not heard anyone speak so much rubbish like that, ever.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 17:43:56
#273

tut tut Kimba, re-writing Camerons speaches.

If you are quite confident then please provide the link instead of your own version of his speach.
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 17:45:13
273 kimba

Did you know the name Cameron comes from the Gaelic for "crooked nose". He'll have a helluva lot more than a crooked nose to worry about if he was silly enough to carry out your totally made-up threat.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 17:45:15
274
Obviously not a maiden.

And George never hunted trolls.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 17:46:04
Ah, Kimba's rubbish is making me careless. I meant speech.
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 17:47:36
278 Conan

I, delicately, beg to differ.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 17:49:38
280
In which particuler brownlie?
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 17:51:05
Argh: particular!
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brownlie,

30/08/2008 17:54:54
281 Conan

On the maiden part!!
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Nikostratos,

30/08/2008 17:56:59
#278 Conan

is that a real pic of you on your blog only it was too small i viewed it full size and was so shocked i punched the screen.....pow..pow


http://www.fanboy.com/images/wookie.jpg
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 17:57:57
"ThomasP,29/08/2008 13:26:19
#34

When we get independence I want to see all the blacks and all the Jews shipped off to England.

Only true Scots and maybe some gays and muslims (if we there vote) will be allowed to prosper."


This is type of dispicable ramblings that the racist Thams P comes out with.
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Nikostratos,

30/08/2008 17:57:59
Oh and why don't you allow comments?
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 18:00:46
"ThomasP,26/08/2008 13:26:19
#42

When we get independence I will use the oil money to stick v*brators up the bottoms of those who didn't vote for us.

And ask Salmond to write more letter to Robert Mugabe."

This is the kind of silly rantings of this insane man.
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Team Scotland,

, FC UK No! 30/08/2008 18:04:29
#273 kimba,
You simply asserting something does not constitute a source. A source can be independently verified. You are a fraud.
The Voices in Kimba’s head (Fable, 2008, p. 101)

On the subject of fraud, teaching assistants earn between 13,000 and 16,000. However if you type teachers assistant salary into Google this comes up

1. Teaching Assistant jobs - Jobs in Education
Admin Assistant - London - North ... SEN Teaching Assistant - London - East ... Recruiter : ITN Mark Education; Salary : £23000 to £32000 per year ...
www.jobsineducation.co.uk/search/Education-Training,Teaching-Assistant-jobs.html - 58k - Cached - Similar pages

As the . . . Indicates the 23,000 quoted is for another job in this case for a full time teacher.

That is so very sad, still at least some of your claims can be sourced.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 18:10:50
8/10 Cats, the bloggers here can see for themselves that I did not write anyhting of the sort. Serving with the Army you do have to be open minded about other nationalities and cultures which I quite enjoy learning about.

Sm753 I wrote that myself. Debating with Kimba is a waste of my time and I wanted to shorten what I wrote.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 18:13:45
286
I only registered to comment on AM2's blog, Niko.

It's a very old photie, carefully chosen to hide my current identity...;-)
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 18:16:41
ThomasP, you are not in the army. You are a fat admin assistant for the cooncil.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 18:20:25
#292

Of course I am an overweight admin assistant.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 18:21:32
288. A full time teacher in the tees valley earns £42,000,a level three teaching assistant earns £23,000,don't try and tell me what i earn ,my pay slip says 23,000,by the way we have a pay award pending!
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 18:24:11
292
8/10 Cats

There was a rather good insult against you yesterday.

Did you see it before it was lost in red?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 18:24:55
I see Niko 'where are the police the SNP have promised' stratos has not mentioned the police in 24 hours? What can the problem be i wonder?

I seem to remember you mentioning it every day?
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 18:27:20
295

No I didn't.

Take such an effort to set up a new user account these days, I'm surprised you have the energy to mantain multiple log ins.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 18:27:44
23k for a teaching assistant as well as 30% off your mortgage..easy money..well done Kimba..lucky Scots like me are actually earning money to pay for your luxurious lifestyle in Northumberland.

Personally i would prefer to pay ALL my tax in Scotland for Scots..no offence Kimba.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 18:35:16
297
Hate to disappoint you but it wasn't me.

I took an interest because the same guy had a go at me.

And Spook.

I think it might be Ford Transit et al.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 18:35:24
#298

Basic soldiers receive more money/privilages then Kimba...
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Nikostratos,

30/08/2008 18:35:58
#291 Conan


I registered incogniko to preserve me identity and me sanity.....is the rest true seven samurai is one of my favorite films especially the scene where KAMBEI ( http://www.willamette.edu/~rloftus/jfilm/7samurai5.jpg )throws the rice balls into the hut.


Anyway off out shortly suited and booted for a meal and a beer to celebrate me Birthday....wifey looking at me strangely hope she don't get physical later tonight.

gnight to u
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 18:35:59
Where are you Hoots?
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Team Scotland,

, FC UK No! 30/08/2008 18:36:22
294 kimba,30/08/2008 18:21:32
a level three teaching assistant earns £23,000

Teaching Assistant (Level 3)
Salary: TA3 Grade E (£15,842 - £16,536 per annum) pro-rata
Advertiser Company: Middlesbrough Council

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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 18:40:39
303:

Not much spare after she has fed her cats!
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 18:43:06
301

Happy Birthday Niko.

http://tinyurl.com/5qjzvr
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Team Scotland,

30/08/2008 18:45:23
304 Nevsky,Moscow 30/08/2008 18:40:39
Not much spare after she has fed her cats!

Careful now,this could lead to troops on the streets!
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 18:47:05
Teaching assistants are pointless and stupid.

Another Labour job creation scheme. Get some fat, toothless idiot without any skills and pay them money for nothing.

A bit like these new citizen-come-policeman idiots.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 18:48:02
298.
Point one. I do not live in Northumberland.
point two. I live in the Tees Valley.
point three. In the last finacial year i payed £4,170 in tax.
It's far from "easy money".
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 18:49:00
Why can't the public sector create necessary posts and employ intelligent and decent people with an education and train them to a high degree.

Unfortunately Labour would rather have 3 morons working part-time and job-sharing doing the job so that unemployment figures some down.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 18:50:13
Corporal kitty witt woo and Major timmy tommy wooshkins!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 18:50:26
307. please point out my spelling errors!
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 18:50:31
309 Kimba

Public Sector employees do not pay tax.

The test is easy. If you stop working does the treasury have more money or less money?

I hate fat smelly proles claiming they pay their taxes same as everyone else, they don't.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 18:50:33
#309

I don't get taxed. The Army has already deducted everything that a soldier would need to pay for so what the Army offers I get it all.

=D
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kimba,

30/08/2008 18:53:23
303. I do not work for middlesbrough council, i am employed by Stockton borough council,i know what my p60 says, so p-ss off gomper.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 18:56:51
313. Are you a total idiot,EVERYONE THAT WORKS MORE THAN 16 HOURS PAYS INCOME TAX,PUBLIC SERVICE OR NOT!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 18:57:53
309:

£4k in tax..you serious. I pay 4x your salary in tax both in Russia and in the UK and don't get my feckin mortgage paid or a pension or have holidays as long as you!

Still, some have to earn the money and others spend it eh Kimba!

As i said in Scotland i would have no problem..but propping up social services in Birmingham and chavs in Coventry i do have a problem with.
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Team Scotland,

30/08/2008 19:01:20
315 kimba,30/08/2008 18:53:23
i know what my p60 says

You also claim to know what Cameron said but you cannot prove that either. You are a fraud.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 19:03:02
313
Ooh, Fraction cats and kimba are gonny fight:-)
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 19:03:50
How can a public sector pay taxes?

Yoou must be thick. You are paid out the public purse. You can only pay a tax if you create wealth. The fact your pay slip sais you paid tax is just pointless admin from Labour.

Like tax credits, take money off you so they can give it back to you and they creat eadmin roles for fat smelly idiots like Thomarse P.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 19:09:43
This website is f**king useless.

I have never seen a website that suffers from so many problems. You'd think it have been put together by the public sector it's that sh*** and unreliable.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 19:09:49
Have to say from a Russian perspective..no work no dole and no handouts. Everyone works here.
Work or starve that is your choice, needless to say everyone works.
Too many spongers, civil service layabouts, government executives, quango admin jobs as well as jobs like Kimbas (for 23k)???
Plenty spending money but not so many making it!
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30/08/2008 19:12:42
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 19:13:18
#320

Yes, everyone join me in the public sector. You get to be fat and smelly and the taxpayer pays all your bills.

.....
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kimba,

30/08/2008 19:14:55
317. I suggest you leave Russia,for your own safety and your financial health.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 19:15:18
Thomarse

You don't get to be fat and smelly. You have to be fat and smelly and stupid to get the job. If you have black teeth and stink of fag smoke, so much the better.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 19:18:27
Has anyone ever seen someone with a brain working for the public sector admin departments?

Have you f**k! These disgusting inbred creatures turn up for a f**king coffee morning each day and chat about how hard their jobs are.

But if they actually did some f**king work, they'd find out how easy it is.
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ThomasP,

30/08/2008 19:20:12
Of yes of course.

Everyone listen to 8/10 Cats. Now everyone join up to the public sector and live off the taxpayer. Just make sure you are fat, smelly and smoke 60 a day. We can laze about all day, every day and live off the taxpayers.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 19:22:18
326
Ah, the Primary 2 form of debate.

Last heard in the GU's Student Union.

So you don't like public sector workers Fraction cats?

We have gathered that.

Care to comment on anything else?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 19:23:10
325:

Thanks for your advice Kimba but after being here for three years i think i know slightly more of the workings of the country than you do.

Besides i am earning plenty tax for your mortgage! Just like the other 4000 Scots working here!
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kimba,

30/08/2008 19:24:14
323. And you are a petulant child,whose only responce is to bully,when that does not work you throw your dummy out of the pram.
It is amazing how scots nats will do anything to defend their racist,bigoted party,you can hate me all you like,i don't care,infact, the more you hate me and use your bullying tactics, the more i am winning!
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 19:28:43
327
All becomes clear.

"Have you f**k! These disgusting inbred creatures turn up for a f**king coffee morning each day and chat about how hard their jobs are."

8/10 is a coffee vendor!

Do you have one of the cool police boxes Fraction cat?

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30/08/2008 19:30:36
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kimba,

30/08/2008 19:30:57
330. £4,170 TAX
£2,200 national insurance.
I pay my way,scotland has the highest unemployment in the UK,so don't preach to me about your job or what you pay to subsidise your fellow scots.
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30/08/2008 19:37:46
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30/08/2008 19:44:17
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Nevsky,

Moscow 30/08/2008 19:45:45
334:

Scotland has the highest unemployment in certain areas but also some of the highest earners per head of population in Europe.
Don't class all Scots as from Castlemilk in Glasgow Kimba.
You would know their reputation in business if you had ever been abroad apart from Spain!
Russia is full of Scots oil workers and engineers earning more money that you could ever think of i am afraid.
Pity they can't do it in their own country but an old historical story as usual.

Anyway our for a beer now..night Kimba!
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 19:46:33
What's the difference between an SNP voter and a peadophile?
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30/08/2008 19:46:55
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30/08/2008 19:50:09
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kimba,

30/08/2008 19:55:59
335.LOL.
Scottish unemployment increases
Jobseekers
Unemployment rates have increased in Scotland
Unemployment in Scotland increased by 3,000 between December and February to 142,000 http://news.bbc.co.uk/
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 19:59:39
343 Red Etin

Spoken like someone who knows to get a blood stain out of a clown suit.

You make me sick.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 20:02:02
341. You are a moronic,arrogant,full of cr-p,gomper,Englands gdp is twice that of scotlands,tell you what, get every scot out of England,and let England be free from your bilious bile.
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Team Scotland,

, FC UK No! 30/08/2008 20:02:22
339 8/10 Cats
What's the difference between an SNP voter and a peadophile?

One votes SNP the other is a Unionist Tory Councillor

http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/2007/10/tory-paedophile.html
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 20:05:28
345
As you have admitted you are sick, please tell us the end of your no doubt witty and erudite quip at 339.


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kimba,

30/08/2008 20:05:33
347. There has never been a "team scotland" and guess what, there never will be!
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 20:11:37
349
kimba, you do your job and you do it well...

How is Hoops by the way?
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 20:13:17
350

Hoop? Fitting name for an SNP voter.

Hi, I'm hoop, this ring, sphincter and hole, we all voter SNP and work for the cooncil.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 20:19:18
351
Hoops.

Prefer Whiskas, why don't you get yourself a boyfriend and do something a wee bit more constructive with your life?

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Team Scotland,

FC UK No! 30/08/2008 20:21:51
#349 Fraudster
There has never been a "team Scotland" and guess what, there never will be!

Commonwealth Games. Football, Rugby, Badminton, Boxing, etc. A stopped clock is right twice a day which is a better score than you manage.

Predictions of the future are of limited value coming from someone who struggles with the present.

Yours is misnamed in any case it should be 'Team America's bitch'
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 20:24:34
353 Gonad the Librarian

Gay sex is constructive. Are you a bit of a poof? Nothing wrong with that I suppose, whatever gets it up for you.
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kimba,

30/08/2008 20:26:36
354. What! you are one sick puppy!
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Team Scotland,

30/08/2008 20:27:22
352
SNP voters are typically greedy public sector workers, unemployed criminals and sex offenders, transvestites, terrorists and other undesirables.

They make me sick.

You prefer Tories like this guy
http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/2007/10/tory-paedophile.html
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 20:35:57
355
My wife and/or Kylie/ Angelina Jolie.

You are extremely bitter and twisted in your posts.

I assumed you weren't getting any.

As you are a charmless individual, who proposes right wing fixes for everything, I assumed you were a repressed homosexual.

Sorry if I was wrong.

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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 20:39:13
Gonad,

What do you think tomorrows main story will be? SNP councillor at terror training camp? £400,000 for extremist mulsims for votes? Lying to parliament over police officer numbers? The list goes on.

Given that the SNP hounded out Alexander over £950, they seem less that perfect.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 20:42:18
I can here a clar alarm outside. Probably some SNP voting entrepreneur helping themselves to a decent citizens car contents.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 20:45:16
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Have you ever fired a gun Whiskas?

Firing a gun in Afghanistan or Pakistan or indeed Iraq, will stop all of our servicemen from standing for office?
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 20:49:17
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No, I haven't fired an AK47 at a Muslim training camp abroad. How many of our servicemen have?

I can't believe you are trying to spin your way out of that one.

You spend all day on here "claiming" that Labour bloggers exist and spin for Labour, they don't. While you spin for the SNP.

You really are a big gay f**kwit.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 20:55:44
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Quite a lot actually.

When they trained them in the eighties.

Against the Soviets.In Afghanistan.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 20:57:36
Thomas

To be honest, I am ashamed of you. All that wasted energy on kimba.

But you just wanted to have a scrap. Idiot!
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 20:59:19
366 Gonad

I see, weren't the servicemen teeching and the SNP politician receiving tuition on a family holiday with his children in how to fire an AK47?

That is a big difference. Do you approve of muslim extremism and do the British Armed forces take children to these secret camps?
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:02:38
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Indeed. Fraction cats is much more fun, having a warped intelligence which is fun to joust with.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 21:02:46
Gonad

Servicemen fire guns in the course of their professional duties. Your crackpot SNP politicians do not fire guns in the course of their duty.

How can you compare the two? You seem like a fool trying to spin like an ars***le.

The SNP are a bunch of cretins. Their voters like blinded cult followers.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:08:41
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Teeching?

The rest of your post has lost coherence.

Visiting an American ranch, would he be vilified for shooting an M16?
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 21:12:27
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I think he actually fired an AK47. I'm still trying to work out why you are making bu**sh*t up about M16s?

Are you lying to me or yourself?

Can we discuss what actually happened? I mean would he be vilified for exploding a dirty bomb?
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:18:54
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Excellent.

It was something called a "speculation", Catfood.

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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 21:27:42
Well Gonad, I think you'll get tomorrow off. Looks like the political pages will be full of Darling sticking the knife in Brown.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 21:37:20
I don't know why bother swearing. You'll only have to create a fake email before re-registering.

You really are a silly vvanker m'laddo. Tit.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:38:26
Get tomorrow off?

What is that meant to mean?

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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:41:32
Good Evening Hoots.

Dined well?
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 21:41:55
Gonad, you'll be spared another day of making b*lls**t up to try and pretend the SNP are the bunch of cocks we all take them to be.

Hoop, you really are a tit.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 21:44:13
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Hoop, I have been many, many people on here. You keep reporting me because you are a silly vvanker.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:46:08
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Look back and consider.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 21:47:39
Hoop, I think you are right. While you normally show all the insight and wit of a pig turd, it has managed to finally get through your thick skull that people don't like Labour.

It's not a vote for the SNP, but rather can be seen as a vote against Labour.

If that second bit is too complicated, just sit in a darkened room and think about it.
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Media 1,

cape town 30/08/2008 21:48:54
The SNP = nothing
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:50:38
Hoots

Sweet baby jebus.

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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:51:21
Race you?
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:51:38
400
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 21:53:08
Where is Methalions these days? Has he taken another handle hoop, you tit?

Man that Methalions vvanker used to get wound up something rotten and then start posting big chunks of information on the "history of the d i l.do" and "pubic hair cuts" and so on.

I seem to recall he used to always be on about an.us and things to do with the an.us, did he just fizzle out hoop, you cok? Or did you get too embarassed logging on as that handle only to have the p iss ripped out of you night after night, you knob?

Did he finally have a total breakdown?
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:53:39
Ok Hoots ****
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 21:59:44
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Why the hell would he do that, eh?

Pissed and angry?
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 22:01:48
Hoop, relax, you can spot that vvanker a mile away. As soon as he logs on things get pedantic and dull, or someone asks the pr.ick if he dines well and so on.

The guy is a retard. A fat sweaty ex-public sector worker with an alcoholics bulbouse red nose from cheap plonk and reeks of poo because of his poor an.al hygeine.

He has this pathetic habit of trying to work out who everyone was that is. He'd be right onto google straight away tonight at the first mention of a pig turd.

Still, hey ho, maybe I'll get a chance to call the fu.cker some names later.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 22:06:35
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Jeez Whiskas.
(Away and hae a wee pull)

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Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 22:13:17
Advanced punctuation for good...

I am nostalgic for times past...
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 22:21:41
Hoop, you really are a silly f**king vvanker sir.

No "unionist" changes their bloody name because of a political bi-election result, you kent.

It's because tit.s like you come out with sh**te like that and that absolutely DEMANDS you get called a tool, you tit. Then we get banned/

It's not them and us you vvanker. Well not in reality, just in your tiny pea-brain. You are paranoid, take some medication or have a nice relaxing vvank to relieve the stress that causes your psychosis.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 22:45:31
440 Hoots/Mathalions

You should have kept your powder dry you tit. You only have one alternative " ". When that has gone your fun and games stop.

You should have waited an hour or two and got the first posts on new threads.

That is why I am so succesful in winding you up you tool.

Look at you, frothing at the mouth and faking people. You're a sad old b**stard with a screw loose.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 22:54:21
Methalions/Hoots

Do you never think to yourself "I am googling 'pig turd' trying to find out who some random person is"?

Not only do you google pig turd, but you come back on here boasting about it and wanting recognition for being "clever" enough to search for "pig turd".

Maybe there is something missing in your life that you have time for this?

A grown man faking people on a website and googling "pig turd". Time to ask yourself some serious questions you old b*stard.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 23:00:41
Methalions

No, that is you psychosis talking. You have always accused me of that, but that was someone else.

Your mental state is deteriorating at quite a pace. You think you have some "tranny arch-nemisis" whom you must research the phrase "pig turd" on google to combat.

I really would put the wine down and phone a loved one. Explain to them the above and ask for help.

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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 23:09:16
Mthalions

I think post 447 hit the spot. How can you ever post as "hoots" again?

You have been researching "pig turds" to combat an imaginery arch-nemis who dresses as a women and has a spaz fist his/her bottom to get special powers.

You really are a fruit cake sir.
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8/10 Cats,

30/08/2008 23:17:37
Methalions

You are faking another user and researching the use of the phrase "pig turd" in fora on the interweb to try and oust an entirely imagined transexual arch-nemisis.

This is a normal evening for you.

Glad to see you rose to my bait as you always do.

Sleep well and i'll get you to embarass yourself like this again tomorrow.
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stracathro,

31/08/2008 00:26:26
i would like to say that this article by dm is how a newspaper article should read & not full of bias.

but the calman commission is a disgrace because they don't want to know the views of the wider scottish public.

i would like to add that the treaty of union really was a big con - that was done in a complicated manner & was very unpopular with the scottish public.

thank god our time as a provence is nearly over - this is not a union but exploitation on a grand scale.
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