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Published Date: 04 February 2008
WENDY Alexander was last night defiantly clinging on to her position as Scottish Labour Party leader after she was referred to the procurator-fiscal for not declaring donations.
Her troubles deepened after standards commissioner Dr Jim Dyer referred her to the fiscal for failing to register ten donations to her leadership campaign – worth more than £520 each – on the members' register of interests. Ms Alexander insisted she would not step down or follow the example of former work and pensions secretary Peter Hain, who left the UK Cabinet after being referred to the police for failing to declare £103,000 of donations.

If the fiscal pursues the case and she is found guilty, she may have to pay a fine of up to £5,000 and her career as an MSP – not just party leader – would be in tatters.

Ms Alexander said that she had received erroneous advice from Scottish Parliament standards committee clerks on 8 November, informing her that she did not have to declare the donations as gifts.

But a former Scottish Parliament standards committee chairman, Lib Dem MSP Mike Rumbles, suggested she might have already been in the wrong.

He said yesterday that Ms Alexander asked for advice from the clerks about the donations, received between August and September last year, after the 30-day period in which she should have declared them. Mr Rumbles added that if there was a "scintilla of doubt" then Ms Alexander should have declared the donations at the time.

The latest chapter in Ms Alexander's woes started on Friday when she "voluntarily" registered ten donations worth more than £520 on the members' register of interests at Holyrood.

This followed a ruling by Dr Dyer saying that she should have declared the leadership donations as personal gifts and that the advice she had received previously was probably incorrect. Dr Dyer had no choice but to refer her to the procurator-fiscal under the law.

The figure of £520 is important because MSPs must declare gifts worth 10 per cent of their salary or more.

The gifts declared included £999 each from GMB Scotland and Edinburgh entrepreneur Michael D Rutterford.

Ms Alexander also received £995 each from former Scottish Environmental Protection Agency deputy head Nicholas Kuenssberg; former Labour MP John Lyons; Phoenix Car Company; Strathvale Holdings Limited; former solicitor-general Neil Davidson; and City Refrigeration Holdings Ltd.

Another £990 donation came from businessman David J Pitt Watson, and £950 from developer Paul Green, which has since been returned.

Ms Alexander has so far refused to declare the donations under £520, although she received more than 20 financial gifts totalling £17,000.

Her problems began with the donation from Mr Green when it emerged in November that the Jersey-based developer was not on the UK electoral roll. The donation was raised by Ms Alexander's ally, Glasgow Cathcart MSP Charlie Gordon, who has since stepped down as party transport spokesman after it emerged he also received an illegal donation from Mr Green.

There has been speculation that Ms Alexander received donations for less than £1,000 so she and her team could avoid declaring them. Electoral Commission rules say donations of £1,000 or more must be declared through the commission.

The Electoral Commission has been investigating the donation affair since November, but has so far failed to make a ruling, although there is speculation that it may issue a report on Wednesday.

Ms Alexander said yesterday that she was frustrated with the time taken by the Electoral Commission. She said: "Everybody is as frustrated as I am by the length of time that it's taking the commission to come to a conclusion, but they need to be allowed to get on with their job."

She added she was unaware on Friday that she had been referred to the procurator-fiscal, but she described the whole issue as a "distraction" and wanted the procurator-fiscal to rule whether leadership donations should be declared, because they had not been revealed in previous leadership races.

"I certainly think it's a distraction, but the important thing is I'm getting on with my job," she said. "I am confident I will be cleared of any intentional wrongdoing. The issue is whether contributions to leadership election campaigns are gifts and that is a point on which the procurator-fiscal will, in due course, have to decide. In every other leadership election campaign, they've not been construed as gifts."

Ms Alexander also again insisted she had only followed advice from parliamentary clerks and, as such, should not have to resign.

"I think it's wholly inappropriate that if you follow the advice of the parliamentary authorities, that should be used as a reason to call for your resignation," she said. "I just want to get on with my job and tackling the issues that are important to the people of Scotland."

Ms Alexander's opponents in the SNP have continued to pile on the pressure. Nationalist finance secretary John Swinney claimed that the decision by the standards commissioner to refer her to the procurator-fiscal meant the Electoral Commission should follow suit.

He said: "Quite clearly, Wendy Alexander is in a very, very weak position as a result of the battering that she has been taking on this particular question for many weeks. If the parliamentary standards commissioner has felt it necessary to report Wendy Alexander to the procurator-fiscal, then the Electoral Commission has absolutely no alternative."

Fellow SNP MSP Roseanna Cunningham added: "Her position as Labour leader in Scotland looks like it is nearing the end-game. Peter Hain's resignation clearly increased the pressure on Wendy Alexander, and this referral to the procurator-fiscal leaves her in an extremely weak position. Saying that she must stay on for the good of the Labour Party is either bluster or arrogance. Perhaps Labour in Scotland genuinely do consider themselves to be above the law."

Ms Alexander's brother, Douglas, the Westminster secretary of state for international development, yesterday leapt to her defence. He said: "She has done exactly what was asked of her. As soon as the ruling was changed, she disclosed the donors and reported them to the Parliament."

He added: "Of course these are difficult headlines that none of us would wish to see, but that is why we have got to allow the Electoral Commission to get on with its job and, in the meantime, Wendy is getting on with hers."

A spokeswoman for the Crown Office confirmed a report was received on Friday by the area procurator-fiscal for Lothian and Borders and that this was being considered.

Possible successor is reported over failure to list gift

ANDY Kerr, the man tipped as Wendy Alexander's most likely successor as Scottish Labour leader, yesterday remained defiant after being reported to the procurator-fiscal for not declaring a gift.

The MSP for East Kilbride was referred to authorities by Dr Jim Dyer, the Scottish Parliament's Standards Commissioner, for failing to declare a gift of more than £1,000 from fast-food giant McDonald's.

Mr Kerr accepted hospitality worth £570 and tickets valued at £450 for the FA Community Shield, the traditional opening match for the English football season, over the weekend of 3-4 August last year.

However, he registered the gift four days after the 3 September deadline.

Dr Dyer has now referred Mr Kerr to the procurator- fiscal.

Ken McIntosh, a former Labour colleague of Mr Kerr, had to resign after failing to declare a trip to the Community Shield.

However, in a statement, Mr Kerr, Labour's public services spokesman, insisted all he was guilty of was an administrative error and he had never tried to hide the gift.

He said: "There was no attempt to disguise my attendance, I had attended previously, it was reported in the media and the event is attended by MSPs from my party and others.

"All of that being said, it would be clear to anyone that given the public knowledge of my attendance that this simply boils down to an error on my part, which I regret."

Reports last week said Mr Kerr was preparing a leadership campaign in case Ms Alexander had to step down.

Mr Kerr denied making any such plans.

SCOTSMAN COMMENT: Investigation's punitive tack is out of proportion

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  • Last Updated: 03 February 2008 11:32 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish Labour Party
 
1

EricRed,

03/02/2008 23:08:10
Andy Kerr remains defiant. Wendy Alexander remains defiant. Consistency at least. I think they both need to have a couple of days away to consider their positions. There are a lot of lifelong Labour supporters in Scotland who must surely have only so much patience.
2

Royster,

04/02/2008 00:03:46
Daer Wendy, Please resign ASAP. Signed, a Unionist.
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04/02/2008 00:04:46
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04/02/2008 00:07:47
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 00:07:52
Dear Wendy, Please stay. Signed a Nationalist.
6

Sgurr,

04/02/2008 00:09:10
The death throws of the Labour Party are reminiscent of John Major's sleaze. Its like car crash TV.

Sometimes to remove the rot you need to cut right back...I wonder if Labour will be brave enough?
7

AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 00:11:11
She must stay. After watching her slabbering and spluttering performance at last weeks FMQs, it's imperative she stays.

I'm sure she derives some perverse pleasure from the reamings the FM dishes out to her on a weekly basis at FMQs
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04/02/2008 00:13:37
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 00:14:08
Well if she has to go, can we get Margaret Curran as a replacement. She's good for a laugh and should continue the downward spiral, as set by McLeish, McConnell and wee wendy!

10

Splashs,

04/02/2008 00:14:48
7. Do you want small fried with that?
11

Splashs,

04/02/2008 00:15:55
9. A fiddle, a muddle, a puddle?
12

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04/02/2008 00:15:56
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McGinty,

04/02/2008 00:16:23
Made me smile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCCoQRwaBZ8
14

Splashs,

04/02/2008 00:17:01
7. small fries to go?
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04/02/2008 00:17:39
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Buchanan,

04/02/2008 00:17:56

How low can the Scottish Labour party sink - they
appear to have lost any sense of morality.

In the last few months we have had the lowest form
of attacks :

. Wendy Alexander tries to use ring-fencing
as an excuse at scare mongering to "paint the First Minister as some kind of Dickensian villain,
responsible for putting vulnerable women and children
in peril."

. Gordon Brown supports his Scottish cronies
and use his own children to attack " Holyrood Government's health spending, suggesting it was
responsible for a threat to cancer services at the
Royal Hospital for Sick Children in Edinburgh."

. Wendy Alexander admits to breaking the
law in accepting donations from an illegal source
but they try and deflect to a Bequest to the SNP.

. Now she tries to use a Kilsyth By-election
called due to the tragic death of the
sitting councilor Francis Griffin
as an indication of how Scottish Labour
is doing wonderfully well.

In addition to being incompetent sycophants they
appear to be turning into ghouls before
our very eyes. For Scottish Labour to full implode
at this point will be the best service they
can to for the Scottish people.



17

Dileas,

04/02/2008 00:18:24
I really can't make up my mind whether I want her to go because she is disreputable or stay because she has a remarkable ability to damage Labour's cause - or at least hinder its reinventing itself.

I suppose the clincher is that she knowingly accepted the donation from a Channel Islands resident and even thanked him in writing to his home address there and that was illegal - not just poor judgment. Illegal.

It sounds as though her likely replacement will also have to go, which might actually damage Labour even more.

Does Labour actually have any MSPs who could maintain credibility or do we need a chain of resginations and by-elections to replace them with someone who has no political experience at all? That way, we could be reasonably sure that they have no skeletons in their cupboard.

Provided we first check them for criminal records.
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04/02/2008 00:18:46
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04/02/2008 00:18:47
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Macaroon Bar,

Mickey D's University of Friesville 04/02/2008 00:23:12
The Scottish Parliament website has "administrative" difficulties too.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msp/membersPages/wendy_alexander/roi.htm
[Registered 21 December 2007]

I once applied for an administrative post at the Scottish Parliament.

It took them 3 months (YES- THREE MONTHS!) to write (by snailmail) and tell me I had not been successful in being selected for interview (after an application submitted directly to the Scottish Parliament website).

Any similarity between the world of electors and the world of MSPs is a coincidence beyond the odds of Turf Accountants.




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04/02/2008 00:23:29
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 00:25:38
Angus McNeil = Wan lucky barsteward!

Youz boys are jist jealous!
23

James,

Cyberia 04/02/2008 00:26:07
ì ì ì

#19 The Fakey with the slant-ì.

Wendy was abducted by Aliens who handed her an envelope
with £950.

Aliens are not eligible to vote -
Lord of the undone-Flies Foulkes excepted!

.......Gordon Brown is a shape-shifter
24

Roberta Burns,

04/02/2008 00:27:10
Aye, she'll go, Aye she'll go
Whether she wants tae or no
She'll go and she'll get it
right in the necket
she'll go, aye she'll go, aye she'll go
25

Splashs,

04/02/2008 00:27:13
22. would you like that three way super-sized, sit in or to go Mr Kerr?
26

Splashs,

04/02/2008 00:29:01
23 Undone flies? Lord Foulkes? Almost as if you are suggesting something?
27

BK,

Cyberspace 04/02/2008 00:29:08
#8 Methalions
Well try going into a bank and stealing £950, then you'll see if they think it worth a fuss!
28

James,

Cyberia 04/02/2008 00:29:57
Andy Kerr in CJD shocker!
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04/02/2008 00:30:16
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BK,

Cyberspace 04/02/2008 00:31:18
#21 "Barra Man gets Drunk!"
Where's the story there?
31

BK,

Cyberspace 04/02/2008 00:33:58
#18
"It is a criminal offence for an adult to buy or attempt to buy alcohol for a child under the age of 18."

Not always. Please check your facts.
32

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04/02/2008 00:35:04
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 00:39:15
#32,

The phrase you've ommitted is "lying through her teeth"!
34

Nova Scotia ™,

04/02/2008 00:47:02
#31 Please enlighten me.
35

DouglasT,

kirkintilloch 04/02/2008 00:47:10
The key point here is the date WA's enquiry about donations went to the standards committee. If the committee - who certainly have questions to answer - had, at that time, stated that the donations had to be declared and she had complied immediately then she would be in exactly the same position as she is now; guilty of failing to declare the donations within the required time. This, of course, makes her letter and the committe's response irrelevant to her crime and I question if anything would ever have been declared but for the original leak of Mr Green's donation.

All this ignores the fact that her leadership bid was unopposed and,therefore, begs the question why was a campaign fund necessary. Seems to me an unnecessary extravagance with other people's money. Just as one of her first actions on becoming leader of the Scottish Labour party was to demand more money for herself.

That she has been given so much support from within Scottish Labour speaks volumes and it is very sad to see the Labour party drift so far from the high ideals and morals on which the party was founded.
36

Roberta Burns,

04/02/2008 00:54:17
35# Douglas, New Labour dropped Labour Party ideals at its inception when the bliar became leader.

I think it is criminal that they still cling on to the Labour part of their name because, apart from their links with the trade unions, there is no similarity to what went before.
37

techpunk,

04/02/2008 00:55:43
she needs a haircut and a makeover.

then mayybe?

not
38

FrancesP,

04/02/2008 00:57:02
#4. I'd rather hear from "Rent-a-quote" Roseanna Cunningham than "The Bodyguard" Jackie Baillie. Remind me - what exactly was HER job title before Wendy's troubles allowed her to discover her true vocation of defending the indefensible on an hourly basis? It's so long ago I can't remember.

Have I annoyed Mr Baron Sir Lord Georgie Foulkes yet? Or do I really have to stay up ALL night to do that?
39

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 04/02/2008 01:12:10
I'm sure Ms Alexander is afraid to resign in case Mr Salmond gives her a job on one of his quango/committees alongside Henry McCliche. Henry as you will all know is chairman of the Scottish Prison Commission, ironic or what?
40

Sanny,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 01:13:30
15 Nova Scotia: -
Now you really are plumbing the depths. Just what sort of low life are you?
If you can’t make a sensible and RELEVANT comment then it would be better to say nothing an hide your ignorance!

41

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 04/02/2008 01:16:25
Wow. The Labour Party's last line of desperation is "Oh, it's only a thousand quid, what does it matter?"

What matters is someone who wants to be First Minister being a LYING CRIMINAL who'd sell her own mother to try to claw her way out of her own mess. I wonder what mug will take the blame and the fall for Wendy?

Not that I mind - as an SNP supporter she's our greatest electoral asset.
42

Jim Baxter RIP,

Sai Kung - Hong Kong 04/02/2008 01:51:56
Several readers have mentioned it, but, to restate, let her remain: she is the best asset the SNP have ever had. Stay put Wee Wendy you can lead us to independance all on your own.
43

SunShine,

edinburgh 04/02/2008 02:16:20
#40 Sanny

Nova is quite right. That was SNP sleaze at its best. But it was all glossed over at the time by the NATS.
44

Edward,

04/02/2008 02:38:04
#15 Nova Scotia
I do beleive that rag of a paper had to appologise for the story being inaccuate as the so called bed romp never happened
45

Edward,

04/02/2008 02:42:14
#19 Methalìons
What 80% support for the union, think you must be smoking the funny stuff!
46

Edward,

04/02/2008 02:48:02
How the constituents of Wendy Alexander put up with her defies all logic
Perhaps there proud to have an msp that thinks its acceptable to do illegal things and get away with it (a good example to set)
What exactly did she do with the money raised for her leadership campaign that never was
She came up with a lame brain excuse, typical of of her, that she still had to raise money, even allthough she was the only person standing as it was in the 'labour rules that a candidate had to raise money'
Wendy Alexander and Andy Kerr - everything thats wrong about labour!
47

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04/02/2008 02:49:29
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Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

04/02/2008 02:49:53
#15

Yesterdays News and quite frankly dear well in the past. As much as you would like to deflect the spotlight from Bendy Wendy it aint gonna happen. To try and resurrect old news to point to SNP sleaze proves just how desperate your poor unfortunate soul is.

The Labour party is finished, just like the dear old Union.

Onward to FREEDOM.
49

Edward,

04/02/2008 03:09:27
#47 SunShine,edinburgh
Yes I did see that and remember that from the BBC, but was put out before that facts unfolded
It was found out later that the journalists from the Sunday Mail had 'manipulated' the story and stwisted some of the facts. The girls that were involved denied most of what had been reported and had felt duped
Without doubt the Sunday Mail reporters are not very welcome in the islands
50

Edward,

04/02/2008 03:12:01
Face facts - Wendy Alexander and Andy Kerr are both finished as is the rest of the New Labour party
The only way back is for Labour to clean out all the New Labour people and get back to the old ideals and start looking after Scotland and the Scottish people
51

Guga II,

Rockall 04/02/2008 03:52:43
Please stay Wendy. You're the best asset we have towards regaining our independence.
52

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

04/02/2008 04:05:15
The femme fatal must go
53

Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 04:58:39
It might be funny if she didn't look so darn pathetic. Give it up Wendy, the game's a bogey.
54

donald,

glasgow 04/02/2008 06:00:32
Will Labour MSPs be presented with a certificate from Ronald MacDonald?
55

MR.CYNICAL,

a happy place 04/02/2008 06:12:11
Her performance on THE POLITICS SHOW was embarrasing, someone should tell her to go now.
56

An Beal Bacht,

04/02/2008 06:13:45
If she had only come clean, and apologized she might have got away with it. As it is, she tries to dissimulate, prevaricate, obfuscate, and project her sleaze onto others. I would have been prepared to accept her staying on if she had come clean and simply admitted a bungle. But her actions, even now, demonstrate that this was no bungle. This was utter contempt for the political process and the truth. She must go!
57

Pilrig.,

Livingston 04/02/2008 06:16:50
8 If I earned a third of that and I didn't pay tax on it, I'd get done by the law.
Sauce for the goose etc.....
58

somerferg,

perth 04/02/2008 06:20:27

He,He - I so wish this had happened when I was home but its still fun to read of the demise of the monkeys with red rosettes from far away and their pathetic supporters trying with such desperation to justify the actions of bendy. I hope the reporting of this sleasy business with 'satchmo' alexander is not left to the usual lickspittle reporters a la Wark.
59

Ubi,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 06:27:49
They are lucky to have such a docile electorate, which reads this stuff and tut-tuts before getting on with the business of producing taxes for politicians to waste and abuse.

In France they'd be in the streets by now.
60

glassbenmhor,

04/02/2008 07:01:54
Hey Nova Scotia boy,I'll ENLIGHTEN YOU its called
THE INDEPENDANT SCOTTISH LABOUR PARTY and here's the deal- there will be no dodgey donations from CANADA!
61

Boy Wonder,

04/02/2008 07:25:38
I just have just two questions. Where did the money go and what was it used for, since there WAS no leadership contest??

62

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 04/02/2008 07:33:29
Her arrogance is superceeded only by her contempt for us.
Just two words to say to you "Bendy"..GO NOW.
63

Jimmy the Pie,

04/02/2008 07:34:55
AM2
Yesterday you were congratulating the Sunday Hootsmoan for NOT covering any Wendy stories as they were sub-judice. What has happened to change things in 24 hours?? Do you know something we should be told???
64

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 07:37:23
Judging by the amount of time these Labourites spend helping the police with their enquiries, they must all be model citizens, positively dripping with honesty and integrity.

How lucky we are to having them represent us in both parliaments!

Wendy, with her huge intellect, massive moral compass and not very large mouth, is a credit to all sons and daughters of the manse.
A veritable pillar of the community, she is regarded with the greatest of esteem by all pre-pubescent schoolgirls, caterpillars and Scotsman political commentators.
A mother of two small children, she is about to show her admirable maternal instincts by resigning her day job in order to spend more time with her family, much to the joy of her SNP supporting husband.

Andy Kerr, former Health Minister, known particularly for his messianistic desire to close hospitals outwith his own constituency, and up until last week the heir apparent to the sainted Wendy, now has the problem of how to dispose of £1,000 worth of wee plastic toys, courtesy of a well known burger chain.
Donald McDonald may well be a registered donor to the SNP, but it appears that Ranald McDonald Burger’s donations to the Labourites can be conveniently overlooked as being merely an “administrative oversight”.

Douglas Alexander whilst being interviewed on “The Andrew Marr Show” sounded like the he was preparing for opposition.

This is the natural position of the Labourites in Scotland.

Scotland previously chased the Tories, now we are chasing the Labourites.

Oh happy days!
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 04/02/2008 07:39:33
they shame the name of scotland,coruption at every level in the labour party has that wendy no shame
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Alberto.,

04/02/2008 07:40:22
From above by Andrew Kerr:-

"All of that being said, it would be clear to anyone that given the public knowledge of my attendance that this simply boils down to an error on my part, which I regret."

If you are pushed for time to carry out 'Official'and essential duties in your position as an MSP, as required, try giving up football matches!!

The usual blurb from our politicians when caught 'not up to scratch!'

When will they realise we dot pay them for doing wrong (especially with such feeble excuses!) - but getting things right!

Sounds very much like another case of the Hain 'Incompetence' - seemingly not considered a very serious problem by their great 'dithering and bottling' Leader - the Mighty Gordon, possibly New Labours shining example of 'Incompetence'- by the look of the way things are in the Country!!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 07:48:21
#66

The Wendy “affair”, (now there is a frightening thought), is not, as yet “sub-judice”.

It would only become so if and when the matter went to trial.

We await in hope.
68

Eugene john,

04/02/2008 07:52:33
Wee Wendy is fortunate that it is not (yet) a criminal offence to be ugly otherwise she really would be in trouble.
69

it has always been allan,

04/02/2008 07:54:36
perhaps the camera doesn't do her justice, but would you buy a horse from her?
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Highlander53,

Aberdeen 04/02/2008 07:59:50
Polititians corrupt?...surely not. Cash for questions, cash for favours, backhanders.....sleaze - no way.
It's time we sacked the lot and voted in people with integrity, who, if some car dealer asked them if they would like £500 or £950, would say no thank you. Also people who had the intelligence to read a policy document and decide whether they had to declare a gift or not.The audacity of not standing down when the whole country can see she's a fraudster. The only thing that holds back the lynch mob is apathy - "they're all charlatans and fraudsters" they cry.
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paulr,

edinburgh 04/02/2008 08:05:41
What load of Bull****, as usual, Wendy Alexander only owned up because to remove any possibility of her being shopped by someone else, Andy Kerr, well,
4 days, simple incompetence.
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Teamdroid,

04/02/2008 08:06:24
32 Jwil, I agree. Also, if there was a desire not to be seen to be influenced, why not publicise the donations? Why inform your donees about the ceiling for publicity, and solicit donations based on that figure? Why wait to publicise, until legally forced to do so? And why wait 2 months to provide this excuse at all?
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Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 08:08:07
The lisp ith pothitively trembling.
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Kenny A,

04/02/2008 08:09:24
Nova Scotia

You missed out a couple of facts, there was also a pissed piper from point in the room, and this story was mostly invented.

It was also increadibly hurtfull to the girls involved never mind Mr MacNeil. Dont believe all you read in some papers would be my advice, especialy garbage papers.

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carrottop,

Dumfries 04/02/2008 08:11:52
Will Labour voters punish them at the next election, I think not this is typical socialist from top to bottom doing nothing but hold us back as a nation.
As for Wendy who does she think she is 'doing it for' that she wont resign, not me for one. She reminds me of a type of Scottish women that when men have the option to marry or pub, pub wins every time.
76

drew 33,

04/02/2008 08:16:07
Wendy is waiting on Brown to declare his "full confidence" before she resigns.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 08:25:42
Quote - "Methalìons, 04/02/2008 00:13:37
I really can't believe that this much fuss should be made over £950."
If she'd asked for and got £1,000 this situation would never have existed.
Wendy and her Team were just being so clever that not even they understood the ramnifications of their actions.
Will she now have to pay income tax on these personal gifts ?
78

An Beal Bacht,

04/02/2008 08:26:15
74Highlander53, Aberdeen 04/02/2008 07:59:50

AYE!
79

ImSparticus,

04/02/2008 08:28:05
It has the smell... of Sleazeeee ... Take her down.
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Phil C,

04/02/2008 08:28:38
#81 Joe

She admitted her guilt a long time ago...then started making an erse of herself! Bendy must stay though. She's only a wee 'unintentional' thief after all! This is a great laugh.
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Breezy,

Argyll 04/02/2008 08:39:04
£180,000 of the public purse was used to educate this Labour ' team ' on the laws regarding donations, a policy which they themselves introduced. What it now looks like is they used this information in finding ways to totally ignore or bend these laws for their own benefit.

Or, in the weeks that these courses were available to them, did they just take a holiday ?

Or, are they just so dumb, it did'nt sink in ?

Either way, obviously a total waste of public money.
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Phil C,

04/02/2008 08:44:17
2 or 3 years ago, sweet innocent Wendy topped the Scotsman's 'Most Eligible Female in Scotland' list.

Ha, ha, ha, hee, he he, ho, ha, he!!!!

#50 "The only way back is for Labour to clean out all the New Labour people and get back to the old ideals and start looking after Scotland and the Scottish people."

Ha, ha, ha, hee, he he, ho, ha, he!!!!

Ya couldnae make it up!
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McMillar,

Fife 04/02/2008 08:50:10
Stay and actually deliver something. This has been blown out of proportion as usual by the media and anyone scenting blood. We need politicians with intelligence/flair and the ability to make real positive change. I’m not saying Wendy fits the bill…..but she needs to be given a good run at it to show what she’s capable of. What hope for any party or leader when they can be hounded for the smallest issue. Move on and get to the real priority items. This story is very tiresome and sums up nicely the whole small minded approach we have. ZZZzzz.
84

scottish person,

paisley 04/02/2008 08:50:13
Methalions and nova scotia, please stay off the message boards, you are pitiful.
Alexander is a criminal and must therefore face the consequences.
85

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 04/02/2008 09:06:04
Folk’s I believe that there are a number of problems that Wendy and her “friends” have inadvertently made.
One that the rules for reporting to the Electrical Commission; second the Rules of the Scottish Parliament, being both totally different and yet the same.
The rules for the Electrical Commission require that any “Gift” or “Donation a £1,000 or more must be reported within 30 days of receipt of such “Gift” or “Donation”.
The Rules for the Scottish Parliament are that any “Gift” or “Donation” over £525.00 or 10% of an MSP’s salary must be declared and reported within 30 days.
Now having been in receipt of £180000 to educate both the MP’s and MSP’s the Labour party must be able to convince you and me that it was spent on that Education.
We have Wendy and her “friends” saying that the £950.00 cheque from the Channel Islands was an oversight and not a deliberate action to deceive.
Then along come The Commisioner for Standards at Hollyrood and reminds “Wendy and Co”. that the limit for MSP’s of all Parties that the limit is £525.00; oop’s ! Wendy then reports a number of donations that funny enough appear to be just below the Electrical Commission’s limit; but still well above the Scottish Parliaments limit and well out of the 30 time limit.
Now having admitted that she broke the law with regard to the Green cheque on camera and before the Scottish people, she now wants us to believe it was unintentional.
Great the along comes the Commissioner and Wendy finds she has no defence to the charges that Wendy and Co were out to deceive with the number of funny cheques she had not declared to the Commissioner, now she has to await both the Electrical Commission’s decision ( a new Labour whitewash team of placemen) Ha! Ha! Who having found themselves out placed by the Standards Commissioner and the Procurator Fiscals Office.
86

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 09:07:44
Hanging on precariously by your fingertips is no option!

Eventually, she will either loose her grip, or the Labour Party in Scotland will push her over the edge?
87

Number 6,

Germany 04/02/2008 09:10:58
To think, this harridan was sold to the scottish people as an intelectual genius, the saviour of Scotland. What a perverse laugh that is. Nothing but your typical condesending , steeped in corruption, useless labour chancer. Long may she reign. Can you imagine this leading Labour's cause at the next general election ?. "Trust me , if I make a mistake then it's not my fault". How laughable a prospect is that ?
88

Joe90,

Erehwon 04/02/2008 09:13:27
The fact that Wendy admits to referring the matter to the Parliamentary Clerks, surely, indicates that she knew that there was some doubt over the donations. Why did she not simply declare them then and avoid all this? The answer: she is devious and not very wordly wise. Moreover, it shows contempt for the voters and the Scottish Parliament. She deserves what is coming to her. How can such a person lead her party let alone lead the country? As for ‘unintentionally’ breaking the law, does that mean that if I claim not to have seen a speed sign that I only ‘unintentionally’ broke the speed limit and should be forgiven? I don’t think so!
BTW, #s 8 and 12, if someone took £950 from you or an employee stole such a sum from a company would it still be a ‘storm in a teacup’? It is a matter of principle and trust and it appears to me that most labour MPs and MSPs lack that essential commodity. How many donations of £950 have to be received illegally before it stops being simply a ‘storm in a teacup’?
89

thinking,

Scotland 04/02/2008 09:17:19
This could easily be resolved in future by ALL donations and gifts to MPs, MSPs, MEPs and other such public figures funded by taxpayers (servants of the people) being registered within 30 days. That way no one can say 'we didn't know' or 'we weren't sure if it should be declared or not'
90

Scottie,

South Africa 04/02/2008 09:18:06
They should change any laws to read that all donations should be declared. What's to stop someone hinting that they'd like donations that fall into the current acceptable limit from eg a husband, and a wife, and their oldest children, making it way over the 'limit'?
91

rawhide ,

04/02/2008 09:18:25



4 Nova Scotia ™,04/02/2008 00:07:47

You ask.

Rent-a-quote Roseanna Cunningham.

Q What did she do before Wendy Alexander came along?
A.She and the SNP succesfully removed the liebour party from power in Scotland.Fact.
Quote,"The only time you ever hear from her is when she says that Wendy should resign" end qouote.
Roseanna does,nt want wendy to go really,Wendy is a great asset for the SNP,BUT IT IS HER DUTY TO THE PUBLIC TO PROTECT US FROM LABOUR SLEAZE AND CORRUPTION,AS ANY DECENT MSP Would do.
Keep up the good work Roseanna.
92

JayJay,

Right here 04/02/2008 09:19:02
This isn't about £950 or £520. It is about a leader who has handled an inconsequential matter so poorly that she now finds herself in a position where resignation should automatically follow. That it hasn't is further demonstration of an individual who is way out of step with the views of the electorate.
The list of follies and arrogance is lengthening. From unintentional wrongdoing to "it was a clerk what told me to do it", Alexander might focus on the very simple fact that she is being shredded over an election she won uncontested. As I recall at the time, the money raised was supposedly for a "victory tour". Dear oh dear.
I would hope that politicians learn that people are increasingly frustrated by politikspeak. Interviews where characters such as Jackie Baillie turn up on tv and say "well you know" and "if you let me answer the question" - surely by now such prevarication is way beyond parody? As is the stock phrases of "standing firm" and "determined to clear her name". And yet they still come, boring us all with pitiful excuses for slippery behaviour.
In all of this, from Hain to Conway to Alexander, you get the real feeling that the main problem is getting caught. At the time of the act, people either appear to believe it is tickity boo, or worse, think it doesn't matter. Yet willfully raising £999, just to keep it below the radar, seems duplicitious, irrespective of the source of the donation.
Of course it will never happen, but Labour needs to start from scratch. Look for people with ideas and true intellect. The party is full of placemen, cooncilors and career politicians, and it seems to me that they are all increasingly incapable of standing for anything other than self preservation.
93

yockel,

04/02/2008 09:19:05
Poor wee Wendy, her defence/excuse is really going to unravel when the Fiscal comes to the conclusion that she didn't have a leadership campaign just like Hain didn't have a think tank.
94

moiaussi,

04/02/2008 09:23:40
Ms. Alexander is either corrupt, incompetent or both. She should go - and it matters not how much of an asset she is to the SNP, her replacement will be just as valuable, possibly more so.
95

Karin M,

04/02/2008 09:27:18
96 Am2 you big fibber are you really trying to deny that you said the wendy story was sub judice. I disntictly remember you saying this on numerous occasions. Liar Liar pants on fire.
96

Karin M,

04/02/2008 09:28:41
100 no no no the bendy wendy must stay shes a gift i say a gift to the snp. wendy must stay. Everytime people look at her they are going to be hearing donorgate playing in their heads she has to stay.
97

Karin M,

04/02/2008 09:29:54
96 you totally dont have a job do you?
98

stuart.macintosh@luht.scot.nhs.uk,

EDINBURGH 04/02/2008 09:31:07
foulkes stated that once the pf got involved peter hain had to go in the best interest of the labour party,let us now await his comments if any on wendy alexander
99

Alastair the First,

04/02/2008 09:35:58
Nova Scotia: At least it was females he was involved with. I realise that in the Labour Party, that's politically incorrect.

Desperate stuff from you - you obviously realise you need to try diversionary tactics to try to get the spotlight of the bunch of criminals and soon-to-be criminals who make up the Labour Party.
100

Quiksilver,

England 04/02/2008 09:37:59
#6 "The death throws of the Labour Party are reminiscent of John Major's sleaze. Its like car crash TV."

Are you kidding? The Tories look like nuns compared with the Nu-Labour bunch of criminals.

The list is long, very long --

http://www.labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm

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Media 1,

cape town 04/02/2008 09:38:06
Wendy Alexander is not my favourite politician. Mind you, there isnt many politicians you can trust! Nevertheless, when it comes to current Scottish political options, she's about the most advanced, competent and believable one that nations has!
102

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

From the Times 04/02/2008 09:39:01
How low will they go to protect the mafioso?

"key figures in the Scottish party, some of whom hinted that they believe the standards watchdog who has referred her case to prosecutors is guilty of a “stitch-up”
103

Logie Almond,

04/02/2008 09:39:34
Wendy has to go, not least because she has been totally ineffective in challenging Salmond and his cronies.
104

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

04/02/2008 09:43:39
Thats after consulting Queens counsel

???????

105

Geronimo (1829–1909) wiz there on 26 April 1902,

04/02/2008 09:53:34
I'm not a huge fan of hers, BUT IMO I think Wendy Alexander should be left alone on this one.
106

Eugene john,

04/02/2008 09:53:47
It just shows how desperate the rabid SNP cyber activists like Karin M who frequent these forums are when they want an opposition politician to remain in post regardless as to whether or not she has committed a crime just to make Salmond and his band of SNP politicians look acceptable to the Scottish electorate.
107

Ananurhing,

04/02/2008 09:55:19
I think Wendy should be left alone to get on with the job at hand.......... with a revolver and a single bullet!
108

Proud2Be,

Scotland 04/02/2008 09:57:23
Oh the Joys!!!!

A bendy wendy story that the Hootsman has opened commenting on!! and AM2 is hiding away with only one meagre off topic comment to his name today!!

I have come to the conclusion that "stretch Alexander" makes an interesting case study in biology!! how can someone with such flexibilty also have a brass neck!!

Genius I tell you!! When the TV has gone downhill and not a comedy show in sight suddenly bendy wendy shows up makes a mockery of herself defending an untenable position and the SNP nudge another few points up in the polls!!

So I for one would love to see bendy wendy staying for a long long time!!

Like all ladies of questionable morals she has her uses!!
She provides entertainment when your bored, she provides a shining example to the kiddies of what not to be when they grow up and she provides work for the police in establishing which sugar daddy provided the rolls of cash stuffed in her garter!!

Keep up the good work Wendy - you have done more for the cause of nationalism than any other unionist!!
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Bewildered,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 10:05:46
I am amazed that Mr Kerr thinks thta his only error was not recording the hospitality.
Surely it is entirely in-appropriate for MSP to be guests of companies at sporting events. It inevitably diminishes the already limited level of intrgrity they are perceived to have.
As a public service employee of one of the much despised quangos I am required to registe the invitation and decline. Surepy MSPs should be bound by the same code and not off on jollies.
110

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:10:08
114

bite me.

111

Ffion,

At sea 04/02/2008 10:13:29
How will we remove this pair of limpits, clinging to their rain lashed rock amidst the jaggy barnacles. Ultimately these people damage everything-parliament, their party,and Scotland's reputation. Why did Andy 'Hungry for Success' Kerr go to an English match courtesy of Ronald McDonald-was he after one of their Mcdegrees. Just when you think it can't get any worse...














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Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:14:22
wow the lying labour lot are getting really desperate to get rid of wendy. We now seem them admitting that its a criminal situation and illegality we are discussing and not as they and their lying leader wendy put it "impermissable"


see 114.

better a cybernat than a unionist cybertwit. That i in cybertwit should be an a but i keep getting my comments moded when i do that.
113

Ananurhing,

04/02/2008 10:14:52
Best make that several bullets.......she keeps putting them through her foot.
114

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:15:46
115 now now you really expect her to make a good job of that she cant even do a good cover up for gods sake.
115

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:17:26
121 well if she waits till her foot is in her mouth then she might be allright. oh wait sorry i forgot not possible. she has to keep swapping them.
116

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 04/02/2008 10:17:53
Wendy Alexander not resigning reminded me of the 'Black Knight' sketch on Monty Python: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno

Well if she stays on with criminal investigations going on she at least can call herself a 'Conviction politician'.
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Ananurhing,

04/02/2008 10:20:02
A week is a long time in politics. We now have unionists baying for Wendy's blood, and Nats hoping she'll stay.
Worthy of a scene from a David Lynch film!
118

Ananurhing,

04/02/2008 10:21:15
123# Karin

I'm sure there's room for both.
119

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 10:21:48
AM2 knows she is beyond defending and not supporting her stance outright though. She must be alone now.

Be a shred of dinity left if she went today, not much though.
120

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:22:26
126 clarry totally agree on a number of occasions he has said the wendy story is subjudice and today he is lying and denying he ever said that.
121

Publius,

London 04/02/2008 10:22:37
Terrible drive down from Scotland last night, but got back to the office in time for work and am now on my coffee break.
Please can someone explain why Wendy needed any money at all to run for leader of Scottish Labour? She was the only candidate so the campaign should have cost nothing.
122

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:25:52
128 no i totally want wendy to stay now. I have realised that she is in fact a gift to the snp for being a total eejit. she must stay. Wendy will win us the next election. Everytime people look at her they are going to be reminded of donorgate. They are not going to just see wendy they are going to see hain blair brown kerr etc etc. And because she is in the constitutional convention with the other leaders shes going to taint them as well. Havent you noticed the other leaders trying to distance themselves from her. No she has to stay.
123

MILKYJOE,

04/02/2008 10:28:38
sums it up here

http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2008/02/03/wendy-alexander-dead-woman-walking/
124

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:28:52
131 thankyou for your comments some of them were nice i think. however we will give you gordon brown as our leaving present.
125

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:30:08
131 no no thanks are necessary really your very welcome to him.
126

Ananurhing,

04/02/2008 10:30:56
131# jed

I think you've got the parent child relationship the wrong way round. There are just too many of you now. You're going to have to stand on your own two feet. Oh and we're going to be stopping your allowance!
127

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:32:31
136 ananurhing bit harsh this bit was nice

Scotland should be given complete independence and allowed to sever all ties, political and economical, with the rest of the U.K. We, down here in England, can then watch you from a distance with the fondness

although the parent child thing was sucky big time.
128

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:33:22
131 jed kisses xxxxxx
129

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:33:49
131 those were bye bye kisses by the way.
130

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:35:04
I am now starting the wee love wendy she must stay cos she is an eejit and gift to the snp campaign.
131

Mike ...,

Ayrshire 04/02/2008 10:35:49
I suggest there are some positives arising from all of this shambles:

1: There is now a widespread knowledge that there are rules on gifts and donations to political parties and a far wider understanding of what these are.

2: Many who have in the past relied on journalists to be (reasonably) unbiased in their reporting may have had their eyes opened.

3: Readers' comments in threads like these show that civic Scotland is alive and well - in many ways despite its politicians and media.

Am I wrong?


132

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:36:26

Although im going to have to think of an new name cos the

wlwsmscsiaeagths campaign doesnt have that ring to it.
133

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:37:24
141 yep no one cares apart from us cybernats and unionist cybertwits.
134

Conan the Librarian™,

04/02/2008 10:37:44
120
Try Unionist Cybrtw@t Karin.
135

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:38:30
143 err naw this isnae dating direct.
136

Ananurhing,

04/02/2008 10:42:15
Next victim please.......

Mr Andy Ewan Kerr!........"I'm troughin' it!"
137

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:42:20
145 ah cheers conan.
138

Rampant Warrior,

Olympia 04/02/2008 10:42:32
She's actually quite cute...But she's doing no favours for the Labour party. Maybe she's an undercover SNP operative!
139

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:43:34
147 i know imagine how much fun we could have if andy (fries with that)kerr gets to be leader.
140

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:44:05
149 bye jed xxx
141

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:44:43
150 wash your mouth out with soap unless of course you meant cute in that sarky scottish way.
142

AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 10:45:27
Is wee wendy still haudin' oot this morning?

You've got to admire her ability as a cling on!
143

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:47:14
I wish we had a scottish spitting image. I have the sketches all written in my head.
144

AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 10:50:15
Karin@156,

They could've looked oot the old Roy Hattersley puppet, slapped a wig on it and, voila, you've got wee wendy!
145

Ananurhing,

04/02/2008 10:50:19
151# Karin

Can you imagine?...Andy, Jackie, and Maggie. A dream team!
146

Allan(handofgod137),

04/02/2008 10:51:05
Same old labour, lying, theiving, corrupt b*st*rds. Please stay though wendy, you're doing the tories a power of good.
147

celticsnowdrop,

04/02/2008 10:51:29
does it matter which party you belong too, deceit, lies corruption are all dismissable.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 04/02/2008 10:54:14
For Trekki fans.

Wendy, Queen of the 'ClingOns'; an ugly agressive warlike people with no respect for the rule of law...
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:56:26
154 so these will be examples of the courtesy of not judging you apply to the snp then will it.

AM2,Glasgow,UK 28/01/2008 01:18:31
#10 Richardinho

Which have turned out to be rubbish? Did Alex Salmond not have the SNP’s top three donors and their wives to dinner at Bute House? Did Stewart Stevenson not have to sell his shareholdings to avoid the possible appearance of a conflict of interest? Did Jim Mather not renege on his pledge to put his shares into a blind trust? Did the SNP actually report that £5700 bequest to its Hamilton branch on time? For example!


to quote you two legs good four legs bad.

liar liar pants on fire.
151

Karin M,

04/02/2008 10:56:57
ah the irony.
152

RCI,

Lanarkshire 04/02/2008 10:58:18
Wendy would have been oot long ago. Except, she stuck her lips to the windae of her office and naebody can get her aff yet to throw her oot ?
153

Conan the Librarian™,

04/02/2008 10:59:54
161
Circumflexed now eh?
Hope it was painful:-)
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:00:17
159 have to say the tories are probably the only party apart from the snp that wendy is making look good. Cos annabel goldie is the only credible opposition to alex salmond. She actually manages to look quite good at fm questions. i mean nicol stephen is killing off the lib dem vote with his support for labour.
155

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:01:56
conan whats the score with these fakeys why dont they just come on with their own name sometimes they make really good points like 161.
156

Glaswegian,

04/02/2008 11:04:31
98 JayJay

The stock phrase which is really starting to bug me is: "...let me be very clear about this..." or "... and he was very clear about this..." They use it all the time.

Also looking forward to the time when "a line needs to be drawn under this..."
157

Phil1,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 11:12:53
Persoanl view of Politics in 2008

Dinners mainly for SNP supporters at Bute house paid for by the taxpayers.
First Minister ringing civil servants directly aboutplanning enquiries and telling them to'sort it out'.
MSP Roseanna Cunningham giving her usual vitriolic advice 'resign', 'resign' my its just like it was under Labour rule from 1999- 2007.
MSPs reporting each other to the teachers - bit of bullying there by the snitches. Ever wondered why the police have time to investigate every minor complaint by MSPs on travel claims but knife and other violent crime goes undected?
No wonder most people think politicians are a nasty bunch with no morals and no real interets in the welfare of the country.

Surely in this parliament one or two other than Margo MacDonald must be individuals of principle? But where are they?
158

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:14:21
169 ah at last AM2 admits the extemely likely possibility of the wendy ending up in court.
159

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:16:18
169 by the way nice of you to admit that alex salmond and the snp have done nothing illegal. Unlike wendy.
160

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:18:42
173 so let me get this straight you are now saying you werent saying anything becasue it was likely to go to court because she may or may not have done something illegal. I am glad you now admit taking dodgy donations from jersey is illegal.
161

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:19:45
so now what you are saying AM2 is you only comment on things that arent illegal.
162

Rampant Warrior,

Olympia 04/02/2008 11:19:58
153

Karin M

I did and it tastes like chicken.
163

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:22:14
so if you only comment on things that arent subject to going to court then why the hell are you on here when wendy has been reported to the pf for breaking the law.

you really need to stop tying yoursel in knots.
164

Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 04/02/2008 11:23:37
"NEW LABOUR"="OLD TORY".Where's the surprise in Bendy Wendy or anyone else being up to their necks in sleaze?
Sonner we get back to what the Labour Party used to stand for the better for all.
BTW if Wendy really wishes to get on with the job of doing what the people of Scotland want it would appear from these posts she should "get lost" now and take a few others with her.
165

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:27:04
181 harry the labour party as we knew it, is dead killed by blair et al. If you want a fair society vote snp then after independence we might be able to have a return to the values that many of the real labour supporters held dear. there is no old labour harry its dead.
166

Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 11:27:38
Karen, you're back to your old tricks. I don't think this is about you misunderstanding, I think it's about you playing the daft lassie. AM2 has been quite clear.
167

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:28:47
182 but your only doing that because its likely she will go to court in other words there is a case to answer.
168

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:31:56
184 what old tricks hes being very unclear.

What he said was im not going to say anything that might prejudge a court case.

There is only a court case when the pf judges the law has been broken. Innocent until proven guilty doesnt mean your innocent it just means a court hasnt said your guilty yet.
169

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:35:13
im not a court nor am i a juror or a witness and i say shes guilty as sin. and im entitled to my opinion. so sue me.
170

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:36:04
anyway am2 always disappears and slopes off when he knows hes beat ha ha.
171

Karin M,

04/02/2008 11:37:12
177 what like a mcdonalds chicken burger?
172

Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 11:38:30
No, he is being very clear, and you are wilfully failing to read and/or understand what he has said because your only agenda is to bang on witlessly about a potential court case about which you, by definition, can know nothing. And yet you are proclaiming Wendy's guilt without even know what the evidence is.

We know that you and your SNP friends would like Wendy to lose here. The message is clear. What is also clear is that you are unconcerned as to why or how she should go down, you just want her as a scalp. Fine. Why not wait for justice to take its course?
173

Farmernot,

oan ma traictor 04/02/2008 11:43:49
The wee tube and bro Doogie is keepin his heid doon is he not..........he smells sh**e methinks.
Keep going Wendy its the best car crash docu soap we have had fur a long time.....priceless !!!!
174

Number 6,

Germany 04/02/2008 11:44:31
130# Publis, .. That is a question she has yet to be
asked directley from any journalist or newspaper. I think they are still afraid that Labour will somehow,
triumph at the next election. So it's see no evil , ask no evil. Rather reminicent of the American media and the astonishingly easy ride they have given Bush.

Anyway Wendy Why raise so much money for a campaign where you had no opponents ?.

What did you spend it on ?

What happened to the rest of it ?

Why are you not in jail ?

This is politics African style.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 11:45:07
#191 My angle? Late one night last week after a ding-dong thread about Salmond's "cull" of quangos a few of us regulars, including myself and Karen and Ayrshire and Meths and AM2, had quite a civilised discussion about how unhelpful this sort of mudslinging and thoughtless argufying is, and how much better it is when we are rational in our discussions.

I'd just like that to pertain from now on.
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 11:55:01
Dunc#194,

It must have been one of the fakey Ayrshire Scots you were chatting to! The real Ayrshire would never agree with an arch onionist like yersel!
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plord,

edinburgh 04/02/2008 12:02:36
mabe her brother will give her a job
179

plord,

edinburgh 04/02/2008 12:03:00
*maybe
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megz,

glasgow 04/02/2008 12:08:49
please wendy stay, you are doing a fab job running labour into the ground. it would be a travesty if she were forced to stop now.
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Sedov,

Scotland 04/02/2008 12:15:38
I have no time for WA but most politicians of all parties are out and out careerists only in it for themselves. Look at Swinney and his personal car travel - as bad as two jags Prescott and the Tory MP in England keeping his family on tax payers money under false pretences. But then again they are only aping the fat cats in the financial sector.
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Dorian,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 12:16:19
Wendy "Backhander" Alexander looks to be on the way oot, good!!
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:19:56
190 big dunky i am not as you put it "wilfully failing to read and/or understand what he has said because your only agenda is to bang on witlessly about a potential court case about which you, by definition, can know nothing. And yet you are proclaiming Wendy's guilt without even know what the evidence is."

i am expressing my opinion my opinion after reading about it on the bbc and the papers is that shes guilty. Im not on the jury. Im not the judge. Im me expressing my opinion. My opinion is that shes guilty as sin.

Maybe Am2 is on the jury maybe hes the judge maybe hes the PF. I can see no other reason why he refuses to give his opinion. If i was discussing a trial with people in the street how would that be any different. People like to speculate wether someone is innocent or guilty it happens every day. we make judgements.

So your telling me that if you were in the middle of the roughest housing estate in scotland and some guy was standing accross the street glaring at you, pacing up and down that you are going to say oh no i will not judge innocent until proved guilty.

blollocks.

if you have any sense you will judge and say guys a nutter im off. If you disagree then fine tell me how many times youve hung about in a situation like this.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 12:24:28
Whatever happens let's get this minutia orientated system simplified so that even I could understand it.

It's making Holyrood look ridiculous and our politicians look like crooks and at the next elections we will all be wondering why the voters are sitting at home watching Eastenders instead of visiting the polling booths.

This nonsense of an electoral law has to go. Just another example of a badly thought out law, enacted for all the wrong reasons by the Labour Government, now ensnared in their own 'anti SNP' trap both sides of the border.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:25:58
i would actually prefer it if we had a justice system that you were guilty until proved innocent. lawyers would get paid to prosecute the defendant. the police would search for proof of innocence how much would everyone like the police then it would be lawyers you would not like because you would be paying them to prove your guilty. and imagine if you couldnt afford one. You get the public prosecutor. people would go to lawyers for how rubbish they were.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:29:11
wow how fun would a justice system lke that be people would be going into the police and offering to help them with their enquires and voluntering as much information as possible.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:30:36
I think this would make scotland a much more positive place to live.
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yockel,

04/02/2008 12:34:34
#208 What do you expect from a piece of NuBlab legislation?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 12:36:29
Karen, I was going to respond to #205 and then I read #209 and realised that I am in fact entirely wrong. You're not playing the daft lassie, you are the daft lassie. Dear me. Away and get a clue.
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westview,

West of Paisley 04/02/2008 12:39:48
Both Alexanders constituancies are in Renfrewshire. The last council elections for this area saw the people rise up and ditch the long lasting Labour control of the area. Partly no doubt because of the sleezy scandles being perpetrated by Labour. The folk finally woke up to the destruction of Paisley and the surrounding towns ,all in the name of Labours centralisation policies. Douglas Alexander looks like an honourable man, pity about the mess made of the elections in Scotland on his watch. Wendy? No . Spending too much time on fiddling while quangos burn. They are both out at the next election ,splashed by each others mud.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:43:56
213 duncan after your expression the other night that you wished to see abuse stopped on these forums i find your instult most disturbing were you telling porkies the other night.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:45:06
205 come now duncan the truth is that you have no anwer to 205 and so resorted to the usual unionist tactic of abuse.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 12:45:08
213 Duncan. There is no doubt that the law has been broken on two counts here - Labour have admitted the first count (accepting an illegal donation). The second count is failure to declare donations above £520 in the register of interests.

Labour have admitted a total of 120 breaches of the law in relation to illegal donations, illegally concealed donations or illegally non-declared donations.

The illegality is not in question. What is in question is whether there will be prosecutions and where criminal liability will fall, and what, if any, legal censure will be incurred.

I am surprised that the SPSC has not reported yet on the potential abuse by Ms Alexander of her parliamentary office (all the spreadsheets and communications on this came from there - even though it is expressly forbidden to use parliamentary facilities for party fund-raising) and the £40,000 "Computers for Labour" debacle.

People should write to the SPSC and demand these are investigated.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 12:46:43
214. Strangely, a senior police officer, quoted in parliament, said of Labour controlled Renfrewshire, in relation to corruption allegations "The police have been called in to the council so often, if it was a pub we would have closed it down years ago"
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 04/02/2008 12:47:44
Stop bringing the Scottish parliament into disrepute Wendy and resign immediately and take your scummy pals with you. The country doesn't want your type running it into the ground.
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subrosa,

04/02/2008 12:49:17
Maybe, depending on your financial state, £950 is a small amount and not worth all this investigation. But it's not the amount that causes me concern, it's the fact they denied it was from the Jersey chap and pinned it on a Glasgow based company who knew nothing about it. That is fraud - nothing more, nothing less.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:50:28
213 in truth duncan you have resorted to Am2s buse tactic however you lack the abusive style of AM2 he dresses his abusive words in frilly frippery panties unlike your ann summers of abuse. Yours abuse like annn summers is in your face and there for all to see.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 12:51:52
#215 Karen, I reserve the right to call a spade a spade. If you think you are being abused by what is simply an accurate description then I'm sorry. But you have just compared Wendy Alexander to a street thug, and then suggested that the entire basis of western law should be turned on its head because you simply don't understand the point that has been made to you. If that isn't daft then I don't know what is.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 12:52:34
220 Were there not 19 donations of £950/ £995 given to Ms Alexander?

The SPSC report is not about just the illegal foreign donation of £950, but rather about failure to declare within 30 days all donations above £520.

Perhaps £20,000 is small change in Labour illegal world?

Certainly a benefit claimant who gave false info, or failed to declare a change in circumstances in time, or failed to declare accurate info about monies coming to them in time, would face prosecution for far less?
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IainA,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 12:52:41
Seems to me a lot of people have missed the point about Wendy going or staying. It is irrelevant whether she broke the law or not, it is irrelevant that,if she did break the law, she did it unwittingly.

The plain fact of the matter is that she has been referred to the procurator fiscal as being potentially in breach of the law.

Given that fact, Wendy cannot stay as leader of Scottish labour while this is hanging over her head. She would be unable to lead the party in the face of continuing taunting, questioning and accusations of sleaze and corruption by the opposition.

If she stays on, she risks doing irreparable damage to Scottish Labour and handing the opposition parties a perfect opportunity to make political capital at her and Labour's expense.

I am not particularly pro labour these days, but I'm sure that they can see the writing on the wall, even if Wendy can't and I suspect that if she won't jump, she'll be pushed.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:52:48
219 oh yes we do i want the snp to win the next election. wendy must stay. dont go wendy dont go.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:54:27
I urge all snp cybernat dogs of war to post their support of the wendy. wendy must stay.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 12:58:39
come join me cybernat dogs of war if wendy stays the only thing she can comment on are two year olds and pensioners havent you noticed that for everything else theres a comment that the snp can come out with. Even those two topics will be good for slagging her soon. I mean two year olds the only group of people who are capable of not voting her out of office for breaking the law. The only group of people who know less about the law than wendy. Come on its a gift. we want wendy to stay.
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Miss H,

04/02/2008 12:58:51
226 I agree. She should cling on with her fingernails till the very last minute.

And if she has to go ... Margaret Curran for leader. You know it makes sense.
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 13:00:30
Miss H#228,

Stop stealing aw ma ideas!:)
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:00:55
I mean how good is it going to be to be able to say

gordon brown and maggie thatcher conviction politicians

wendy alexander
convicted politician.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:01:19
228 What is wrong with Andy Kerr (except for him being referred to the fiscal for his MacDonations) or George Foulkes ( he already has a criminal record for violence so has already put police/ crime scandal safely behind him)

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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:03:41
228 has wendy puddles alexander not already hung on to the last minute i think the high street was where she did that.
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Miss H,

04/02/2008 13:04:08
Andy Kerr has certainly been positioning himself but he has too many enemies within. George Foulkes ... ah if only! But he didn't even want to be an MSP never mind leader.

No, Margaret Curran it will be.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:04:50
231 dont you mean under him. was that not where the lady he knocked to the ground ended up. and yes george foulkes has fought the law.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:06:19
233 the two challenges for labour leadership andy mdonald burger and margaret curran bun.

hmm im hungry.

wheres that caterpillar.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:07:10
233 I think Andy Kerr being reported to the fiscal for his MacDonalds sleaze (Nicol Stephens can no doubt smell grease) is related to his positioning himself to topple Wendy? It came out of nowhere, probably as a result of Labour in-fighting?
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:07:55
235 The Caterpillar was hungry so was taken to MacDonalds for a Labour Happy Meal. And has been reported to the fiscal for not decalring it.

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ImSparticus,

04/02/2008 13:08:08
on the other hand... Please Stay Wendy and give us Value for Money Entertainment.
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Sgurr,

04/02/2008 13:08:18
is Karin M paid per post? About 20-25% of all posts on this thread belong to her...is she the new AM2???!!!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 13:08:42
#234 It must be fantastic to know that no SNP politician has ever fallen foul of the law. I am right in that, aren't I? I mean, I don't hear Labour posters dragging up past criminality so I assume that the entire SNP, and certainly their front bench, have entirely spotless records?
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:08:56
no im sorry wendy must stay

we could change the words to you canny shove your granny aff a bus for the pensioner thing.

ye canny shove yer granny aff a bus

unless your wendy alexander cos

shes got the donations in her purse.

look see shes a gift come on get behind wendy.
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weh,

04/02/2008 13:09:45
How is it, for a country so small, Scotland has the greatest number of:-

Quislings
Third raters
Endemic corruption
Cringers
Dwarfs
Utter nonentities
Abysmal infrastructure
Poorest academic qualifications

in the western world?

I reckon the depletion of the gene pool over 300 years has a lot to do with it!

Ah well, thats what happens when a nation elects to have its decisions taken by other nationalities!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 13:11:03
#242 Do you know what that word means? Quisling, I mean?
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:11:18
240 dont care duncan too busy laughing at wendy and andy kerr and charlie gordon and hain and broon and blair

look stop asking silly questions im busy with the keep wendy campaign.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:12:24
239 i will thank you to remove that slurr sgurr

Am2 indeed tsk tsk.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:12:29
240 Duncan.

Labour have ADMITTED 120 counts of law breaking.

Gordon Brown has admitted they broke the law.

Harriet Harman, Alexander, McCabe, Gordon et all have ADMITTED they broke the law.

The Standards Commissioner has found evidence of law breaking and referred the matter to the fiscal.

These law breakings all relate to the electoral law - the foundation of our democratic system.

I myself have broken the law - speeding. I imagine many people have transgressed - the difference her is La Makers breaking their own laws that relate to elections and the probity of the democratic system.

PS - if you have evidence of an SNP politician breaking the law please post it.

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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:13:53
243 duncan do enbrighten us. and yes i know its enlighten before you get all school marmy on me but i like enbrighten better. k.
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Miss H,

04/02/2008 13:14:03
240 Yes. That is the case. None of them has a record. Your point is?
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:14:53
246 sadly he wont do that spashs cos he wouldnt want to prejudge any trial.
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weh,

04/02/2008 13:15:02

BUTCHERS APRON TO BE FLOWN FROM ALL OFFICIAL BUILDINGS


http://www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4860&sid=b24660202502f08ccc12770c98ff238d
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:15:48
240 so duncan i say i have to agree your entirely correct no records nope nope nope.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:15:59
240. Duncan. as you ask, I am fairly sure no SNP front bencher has been convicted of a violent assault on an old woman and an officer of the law.

Nor has any SNP parliamentarian been convicted of arson in a hotel where 150 people were sleeping.

Nor has any SNP parliamentarian been jailed for perjury.

Nor has any SNP parliamentarian been found guilty of taking bribes.

Nor has any SNP parliamentarian been convicted of breaking and entering/ affray and attempted theft of their lovers underpants.

These peccadillo's seem to be more common in Labour/ Tory parties for some reason. Discuss?

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Miss H,

04/02/2008 13:17:49
252 A few of them have been done for jumping up and down at faslane but that's small beer compared to being arsonists and underpant stealers. What a boring lot we are to be sure.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:18:00
250 why is it called the butchers apron i thought that was the st georges flag that was called that according to the unionists.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:18:13
240.

"We must be whiter than white to rebuild trust" - Tony Blair, May 1997

(Ecclestone, Mittal, Hinduja's, Cash for Peerages, BAe fraud investigation....)

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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:18:39
253 who stole underpants? i missed that.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:20:38
253 Miss H

yes, I think Winnie Ewing engaged in civil disobedience to stop Nirex test drilling for nuclear waste repositories to allow the UK to dump waste from Germany, Japan and the USA in her constituency.

And SNP activists have been involved in breach of the peace at Faslane and previously in obstructing poll tax warrant sales.

Doesn't have the pizazz of knicker theft or arson, or bribery, or perjury, or battering an old lady, does it?
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:21:16
256 Ron Brown, former Labour MP for Leith. Broke into his lover Nona's flat and attempted to steal her knickers.

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Miss H,

04/02/2008 13:21:53
In fairness I think there was an SNP councillor got done for throwing pies at Labour councillors at a civic function. So we are not spotless by any means.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:22:52
259. Was it intentional? Were the pies permissable? Were the pies within their 30 day sell by date?

What type of pies?
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IainA,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 13:23:15
#256 Karin M

Ron Brown.

Broke into his ex's house and stole her knickers.

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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:23:31
258 why did he like them more than the ones he was wearing? I mean mens knickers are just boring cant say i blame the poor man. I mean lace is so much nicer than cotton. dont you think so duncan.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:24:10
262 We never found out what so enticing about Nona's knickers for the Labour MP.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:25:41
261 He didn't get away with her knickers, I must correct you. He was convicted for breaking and entering and ATTEMPTED knicker theft. We must keep the record accurate.

He was seprately accussed of stealing knickers of her washing line in a different episode, but this was not proved.

Please, do not resort to Duncan's smear tactics of alleging unproven crimes!
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:25:48
259 I do hope he took the labour guys fingers out of the pie before he threw them.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:27:27
264 maybe he was just taking her washing in for her? maybe he wasnt really taking them to wear them or sniff them. I mean i imagine thats what knicker theives do not ron obviously cos he only attempted it.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:28:41
was ron that guy who got charged with damaging the mace at westminster ang got suspended that ron?
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The Maltese Tranny,

Ducksvill 04/02/2008 13:29:14
come on who wants to fist me? yeah
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:29:47
266 It was probably not intentional. Perhaps her knickers were impermissable? Perhaps certain polycotton/ lycra blends of knickers can be legally stolen with a certain time limit of being washed? Maybe he took advice on it from an official which turned out to be wrong? Sadly for Ron it all happened in the days before the Labour New Speak Lexicon for explaining away crime was fully developed.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 13:29:50
#247 Go and embrighten yourself Karen. It's not hard to find out via a web search whose name is regularly used as an insult to the SNP's opponents. It should be a sobering experience for you to realise the sort of insult it is.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:29:51
anyway where on earth did duncan go?
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:30:58
270 aw duncan im too dim to do a web search how about you tell me you know you want to.
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:30:59
267 Yes.

And their were allegations of naked showering with his researcher as well if I recall.

Thank the Lord for small mercies and that it wisnnae Foulkes in the naked shower escapade....
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Splashs,

04/02/2008 13:32:08
270. Duncan. on that I agree, the use of that word is rather pathetic.
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The Maltese Tranny,

04/02/2008 13:32:56
why do i go around acting like a unionist idiot and fake others? Because i am a low life stuck in my mothers frock picking my nose
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:33:47
269 thats a shame isnt it just think if ron had done it now he could have used the wendy defence

"your honour my ex bird was responsible for the knickers they werent my knickers and even if they were its okay to wear womens knickers even if they are not mine"
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Jimmy the Pie,

04/02/2008 13:34:01
Does anyone know what odds the bookies are giving on Wendy staying in her job??
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Tomsk,

04/02/2008 13:35:26
#260

There are pies, damned pies and statistics.

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Karin M,

04/02/2008 13:36:22
276 I actually checked your honour i did ask her if it was okay to wear the knickers but she first said okay then she told me it wasnt so you see it wasnt my fault because i tried to find out if wearing my grilfriends knickers was okay"
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weh,

04/02/2008 13:36:26
267 Yes.

And their were allegations of naked showering with his researcher as well if I recall."

What other type of showering is there??
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The Maltese Tranny,

04/02/2008 13:37:09
i can see the light yeah!
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The Maltese Tranny,

04/02/2008 13:38:28
Duncan has his fist in me and can see the light. yeah
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 04/02/2008 13:40:09
That picture is a stoater,
definitely a gene missing, and brain cells
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 04/02/2008 13:41:35
Has she been let out of her unionist sheep pen yet?
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The Maltese Tranny,

04/02/2008 13:42:19
286 Nice yeah
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weh,

04/02/2008 13:42:52
Q If the mooth of the sooth is "labours intellectual einstein" who is the next best intellectual to follow her as leader if she departs?

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The Maltese Tranny,

04/02/2008 13:43:00
289 not nice,yeah
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The Maltese Tranny,

04/02/2008 13:46:07
someone shoot me please and make me happy by god
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Tomsk,

04/02/2008 13:46:17
There's no argument. She's got to go. How can Labour go into an election with her at the helm? They would get slaughtered. They would end up spending every media opportunity having to defend themselves against sleaze. Their campaign would degenerate into farce.

I did say 'degenerate' didn't I? Sorry, I meant to say grow.
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Bascule,

04/02/2008 13:46:36
Guys, guys, they are ALL politicians or politicos and are driven by self-aggrandisement and self-promotion. The only way that they can hang on is to obey their local, and national, party apparatus which is almost invariably staffed by inadequate third-raters. The lowest common denominator rules. Why are you all so surprised?

I miss Ron Broon, his four-letter political discourses and threats from his hoods. How bruised I was to be called a scab, and threatened with a kicking whilst legally attending work during an unofficial strike.
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The Maltese Tranny,

04/02/2008 13:47:02
ah well
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Miss H,

04/02/2008 13:48:44
Whoever it is that has the fist obsession. You do actually need help.
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Miss H,

04/02/2008 13:50:06
297 Hmm. I sense a wee hint of bitterness creeping in there ...
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 04/02/2008 13:50:29
Has "cabbage patch" Wendy been charged yet?

Actually upon reflection, she SHOULD stay...one of the best examples of WHY Scotland should rid itself of unionist numpties with their snouts in the trough & govern ITSELF.
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Richard Lionheart,

04/02/2008 13:59:52
So Wendy continues to insist that she is not going because she will be cleared of any INTENTIONAL wrongdoing.

This is from a person who was responsible for bringing laws into existence in this country. Strange that she is all of a sudden incapable of understanding the basic principles. She should apologise unreservedly to the Scottish people for her performance and for bringing the country into disrepute.

When Wendy goes can we have Ian Gray as Labour Leader in Scotland please?
I am sure that someone who can have a railway station built and not arrange for any trains to stop at it, would prove a worthy successor to the “Wendy the Unintentional” law breaker.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 14:06:16
302 richard i agree the wendy donorgate story will just run and run as long as she is there we must get her to stay.
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Thistledhu,

Fife 04/02/2008 14:09:24
what price for an election now?

would she seriousley stand as labour leader for first minister Alex Salmond i think would be saying yes please
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 14:15:09
Let me just clarify something for future reference.

Those many and vociferous SNP supporters who are taking great delight in variously calling for Wendy to go as a wrongdoer or stay as an example of unionist awfulness - in the event of a comparable occurrence in the ranks of the SNP, will you call for the same thing?

Just wanted to check, like.
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Kenny A,

04/02/2008 14:24:13
307 Duncan

Not sure if I am in the catagory you mentioned, but to right I would.

Kind of like Goldie, respected Ian Smith and also Donald Steward, (showing my age). Salmond one clever fellow.

Commit the crime face the punishment. Regardless.
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weh,

04/02/2008 14:25:32
When Wendy goes can we have Ian Gray as Labour Leader in Scotland please?
I am sure that someone who can have a railway station built and not arrange for any trains to stop at it, would prove a worthy successor to the “Wendy the Unintentional” law breaker."


hahahahahahahahahaha!

Oh-could only happen in Scotland, couldnt it??

What a shower of hasbeens we lot are-who in their right mind would elect such folk?

No wonder were laughed at!
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weh,

04/02/2008 14:29:37
STOP PRESS!!

TOP ENGLISH BLOGGER NOW ONTO WENDY!

http://www.order-order.com/
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Eugene john,

04/02/2008 14:34:24
#242 weh

You missed ugly women from your list of the things that Scotland has the greatest numbers of. Just look at Wendy Alexander and read the drivel of the likes of Karin M. I rest my case.
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Wee Babs,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 14:35:43
The longer this rumbles on the better argument it gives the SNP for getting better government and accountability in a free and independent Scotland.
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rawhide ,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 14:37:48
Nice one Weh.
Thanks for the link.

I think this story has appeared in the Scotsman today instead of yesterday as an act of desperation to try and create some sales of the paper version.
Too little too late.
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Janis *,

originally janis 04/02/2008 14:55:40

Fakey 303. Quit it, get a life, employment,( or stop wasting your boss's time & money) ...pathetic.
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walter,

04/02/2008 15:05:19
I knew this would be well into the hundreds so excuse me if it has been said before.
Alexander should resign, she should have a long time back.
There is no point in her trying to do the job of leader of the opposition when this is hanging over her head it makes her inefficient.
It also means that the difference between donations and gifts needs to be redefined as there seems to be an anomaly of exactaly what is what.
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NovaScotia™`,

04/02/2008 15:12:05
If Wendy has to be replaced, she has to be replaced. A monkey will be able to win the next election once Salmonds found out and the Scottish people bring an abrupt end to his honeymoon!
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RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM 04/02/2008 15:15:23
Give her a break! I can’t forget her principled stand against Section 28 when powerful men briefed against her and the might of the Catholic Church with its media placemen, MPs and money (not forgetting the American dollars) of wealthy businessmen rained down on her. The hurtful misogyny of those media reports cannot be erased. The Scottish Media Monitor documents that sorry tale. Now we have the Nationalists in full payback mode after behind the scenes talks with the Catholic Church. And donations from Brian Souter whose generosity to ‘charities’ that promote a religious agenda is only too well known. Funding for sectarian schools is now on the Nationalist agenda. Money for other religionists to proselytise to children will be available too. Muslim schools. And separate schools for Sh’ia and Sunnis, no doubt. Where will it end?
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The Master,

04/02/2008 15:31:19
These rules are something else! Poor old Wendy: she takes advice from officials within the parliament and she’s still hung out to dry! Surprise surprise: the other parties are exploiting the situation for all it’s worth (while no doubt privately giving thanks that it wasn’t one of their number who came a cropper!) There but for the grace of God…etc etc.

No doubt many posters will legitimately argue that the rules are there to be followed, but the fact remains that there have obviously been severe teething problems if even the parliamentary officials have taken to giving out erroneous advice. Not to worry: there’s more fun to be had from this yet: busy Wendy can even be nailed for failing to ask for the useless advice within the required 30 day period! What a wheeze! What a jolly game! Wendy has done nothing intentionally wrong: with the benefit of hindsight, the interpretation of these complex regulations was an accident waiting to happen: the accident could just as easily have happened to a leading Nat as to poor old Wendy!
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04/02/2008 15:35:32
#321 I do indeed remember Wendy's bravery in that situation, and the relentless campaign of hate against her from religious quarters. I too despair at the SNP's apparent condoning of religious separatism in education (Salmond) and religious homophobia (Cunningham). But I don't lay her current problems at the door of the SNP. She has been badly advised on a number of fronts, and has made mistakes herself.
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Gdgy,

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A certain Mr Sillars has embarassed all the SNPites on this board but telling the truth rather than look at this issue for the maximum political advantge...

This is non-issue - IF the donors saught to gain favour with Wendy and the SLP then they clearly didn't as they failed to get into gov!
MUCH more interesting is the favours that the SNP "Gov" is handing out to its party members and their enthusiasm for interfering in procedures to make sure they get the "right result" - that's sleazy
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Bewildered,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 15:45:44
Hasn't Charlie Gordon quiet; great !
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Sgurr,

04/02/2008 15:45:44
In my humble experience, the most effective managers/MDs are those that surround themselves with the best people...from the PA to the middle and senior managers.

If Wendy can't pick a team that is able to preempt this sort of mess from occuring (i'm generously implying that its not fully her fault...though she should carry the can), then what chance do we have of her picking the right team to form an effective government???
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Jimmy the Pie,

04/02/2008 15:46:29
I fail to see how any one can have any sympathy for Wendy. New Labour Sleaze and Corruption brought in these laws in the hope that they would knacker up the SNP. Of course they never conceived that they would be in opposition. Recently they were bleating about the amount of cash the leader of the opposition got and demanding it be increased. Again, they brought in these rules in the hope of screwing up the SNP. They deserve no sympathy from anyone. They broke the law - the have to pay the price. Simple! just like Nicol
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Number 6,

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#323 Duncan, why is it Scotland is the only country in europe with a "Problem" with Catholic schools. Are you aware that they play an intregal part in education throughout Europe. Even Orange Holland has an enormous amount for it's size. Here in Germany (Overwhelmingly Protestant)they are proud of their Catholic Schoolsystem with many many non catholic kids on the waiting list. They are in the middle of Catholic week here and the inaugriation of their latest Bishop was shown live (3 hr show) on Bavarian TV.

Why is it every other country respects the Catholic Education System but in Scotland , it is seen by many as somehow evil.

Please Please don't try to say "It's all religions not just catholic" etc etc because no one believes it.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 04/02/2008 15:52:34
You wonder about these people – don’t you?
They have such huge massive egos and megalomania. that they believe that only they can do the job so they won’t quit, despite the massive of history to the contrary. I’ve met Wendy on a few occasions. She lovely, very bright, caring and clever. She also has a family, so my advice to her and her family is to get a life, tell her critics to get it hard festering up them, and quit politics altogether. Be a mum for a few short years and then get another job – probably better paid, more appreciative and less stressful.
Beware of career professional politicians.
Anyone who deliberately wishes to go into politics and/or the Christian ministry should be immediately debarred from doing so.
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15 Nova scotia-Angus McNeil-lucky b****rd!

322 The master-good post..."...could just as easily happened to a leading Nat"
Exactly.
"Let he who is without sin etc" comes to mind. Politicians, along with estate agents and lawyers are prone to the murky stuff.This doesnt seem to be a Capital offence so perhaps she should be cut some slack.
Incidentally, some of my very best friends are Estate Agents.
And Lawyers.
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Anthony,

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I have just a few points, not entirely consistent I admitt, but perhaps helpful still. Firstly, the offences Ms Alexander and Mr Kerr are accused of, are strict liability. This means it is irrelevent as to whether they intentionally did anything wrong or not. Strict liability only asks one question - did a wrongful act take place? If the answer to that is yes, there is no defence. This of course is unjust, because it removes from the accused person, an entire wing of defence they would be granted under common law. Intent and malice should be taken into account. In that regard, I do have some sympathy for the pair (unless of course no charges are proceded with, or they are acquited, in which case this is all academic). That said, we have seen not just an unprecedented increase in the number of strict liability offences being passed under the administration both these politicians have supported, but also sentences for those convicted under a strict liability statute, getting ever harsher.

If prosecuted and convicted, I agree Wendy Alexander's position would be untenable as opposition party leader. But, I disagree with the article on her political career being in "tatters". If she did make a genuine mistake, though no defence as explained, it surely is mitigation? 20% of the adult population of these shores have a criminal conviction of some sort. That doesn't make most of them bad people. Most have learned by their mistakes, and just want to get on with their lives. If convicted, (a very big 'if'), Wendy Alexander should be allowed the same. I see no reason why she could not continue as an MSP in these circumstances.
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#332
It's all religions, not just catholic.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 16:05:33
#332 I have no idea whether your assessment of Dutch and German attitudes to Catholic schools is either accurate or indicative of the rest of Europe. Quite frankly I fail to see its relevance in either event - are we not always being told that we deserve Scottish solutions to Scottish problems? Do you filter all political decisions on whether other countries in Europe have taken them too? Or is it just a conveniently difficult assertion to disprove?

I know why I oppose religious education. It's very simple. They teach children lies. There is no such thing as god, and nobody should be pretending to children that there is. At the very least, the appropriate point for education about religion is when people are adults, and therefore able to make informed decisions themselves with regard to the truth of any religious claims.

I know people in many different countries who hold the same views as me. Several of them happen to be in Germany, as it happens. Perhaps your assertion about attitudes in Europe is just a reflection of your own closed mind?
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04/02/2008 16:06:07
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"It seems I need to spell it out yet again. I am not making comments which might be seen as prejudicial. In other words, I'm not saying that I think "she's innocent" or "she's guilty"."
Opinions of the citizenry are not considered in ruling on prejudicial statements. That would only apply to someone involved in the case.
Quite close to outing yourself on that post.
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fritigern,

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Wendy Alexander's behaviour has few if any victims. The only possible victims are rivals for the leadership of the Scottish Labour Party. But then only if the electorate for that position were influenced by the spending of the candidates rather than their policies and abilities.

But the alleged interference by Salmond and his cronies into planning decisions at Balmedie and Aviemore will have many victims :- those adversely affected by the massive construction works.

BTW Can anyone give an explanation of MSPs receiving hospitality from MacDonald's which does not involve the suggestion of corruption?
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Miss H,

04/02/2008 16:16:35
344 That is a remarkably silly thing to say even by your standards. You must try harder.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 16:18:24
#340 A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

The issue is that this is a newspaper. Comments posted here count as if they were comments published by the newspaper. Look that up. You'll find that media coverage is considered as potentially prejudicial. That is the whole reason why the Scotsman reserves the right to moderate us.
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Ananurhing,

04/02/2008 16:18:49
336# Anthony

Well said, and straight to the crux. Best post yet on the whole messy debacle.
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Miss H,

04/02/2008 16:21:38
343 So a crime only counts if there is a victim? Well that is an argument.

But what makes my blood boil is watching all these adverts on telly targeted at so-called benefit cheats. You know the one where they get a young woman in a chair in what looks like an interrogation room and say no ifs, no buts ....

Pretty clear message there. Benefit cheats will be persecuted. No ifs, no buts. Doesn't matter if it is unintentional - you will get it in the neck if we catch you.

Double standards or what?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 16:26:18
#349 That would be a fair point if the benefits adverts talked about unintentional cheats. But they don't, do they. In fact the "No ifs, no buts" line is about accepting no excuses from people who have earlier been shown to be entirely intentional benefits cheats. So you argument is vacuous.

What makes my blood boil is people who take every opportunity to spin and spin, misrepresenting adverts and misinforming people about what they say, just for a tiny sliver of political advantage. It's cynicism at its worst.
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The Master,

04/02/2008 16:32:53
#209 Karin M: i would actually prefer it if we had a justice system that you were guilty until proved innocent.

Just such a system operates in many despotic regimes throughout the world (including, I would imagine, Albania!) Did I say Albania? I wonder why that particular country suddenly came to mind!
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Miss H,

04/02/2008 16:36:27
351 Garbage Duncan and pathetic garbage at that. Many benefit 'cheats' are people, often women, who have done what is necessary to put food on the table. If you think people don't sometimes have to lie and cheat to do that think again. But no excuse is accepted when they get caught is it?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a hardliner. I would let benefit cheats away with it if they had a good reason for cheating. I would not send Wendy to jail either. She is not a bad person, she is a stupid person who has stupid people around her. Which makes her unfit to be the leader of any political party and certainly unfit to be First Minister. But all she will lose when she eventually has to resign is a bit of face and the perks of her job. I will reserve my sympathy for those who deserve it.
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MtnKat,

04/02/2008 16:36:56
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Indeed it is, as you have just proven.
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boudica,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 16:38:09
Why did it take Dr Dyer so long to come up with this ? and I only hope he will be even handed when it comes to this sort of thing ..Wendy was couple of months late and the SNP took 3 yrs to report £5.000 and seemly there is more coming up on other MSPs and them not reporting " Gifts" and Family memebers working for them ..So how much was Mrs Eck paid for goping down on her knee`s to scrub Bute House ..Thats what I want to know and just hope she wasnt paid more than the Wee Cleaners at Parli ...hahaha
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boudica,

04/02/2008 16:38:41
Excuse all spelling errors as it is one of those days ...
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 16:39:45
#353 You claimed the advert said that doing it unintentionally was not an excuse. It says no such thing. You are now, in quite typical fashion, trying to move the argument on to what happens in practice. But you were talking about an advert. And you cynically misrepresented it for a sliver of political gain. Where's the garbage? I'm right.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 16:40:44
#354 Prove me wrong then.
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Colin Midlem,

Belmont, MA, USA 04/02/2008 16:41:55
Wendy Alexander's position is untenable because firstly she is in the wrong and secondly she is a thorn in the side of Scotland with a reputation for intolerable behaviour and complete lack of inter-personal skills.

Lord Carrington must stand as the example of political probity with his prompt resignation over the failure of his department to recognise the threat to the Falklands/Malvinas. The file was so insignificant it probably didn't see the inside of his red box.

Yet he took 'the buck stops here' stance and immediately resigned.

Wish there were more politicians who stand and fall by their actions and responsibilities.
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04/02/2008 16:43:50
355 I think you will find Boudicca that no other political party in Scotland allows candidates for internal party elections to solicit donations from third parties who as far as I can tell are not even required to be party members. Why Labour allows that I have no idea. It is bizarre.
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Fife 04/02/2008 16:47:02
I hope she stays I wouldn’t be able to take Ronald Macdonald seriously as leader of the opposition. Also if you buy a large coffee for breakfast you get a free mug to take home. If you are an msp you may have to declare this but feel free to unintentionally forget this.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 16:51:31
347 would you like to explain then duncan why whenever there is a high profile case say a murder case statements are made about the accused before they are charged not the guilty innocent thing but enough suggestions to give poeople an idea to make their own minds up take the guy who was arrested for the murders of the prostitutes plenty has been said about him in the press once he was charged they stopped mentioning his name. But until he was charged everyone was commenting on it. Thats the first one that springs to mind. So if its okay for the press its okay for us.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 16:52:08
#364 The adverts show the people before and after they have been arrested and show no-one who is unintentionally claiming a benefit, only those doing it deliberately.

That is because those doing it unintentionally DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE DOING IT and would therefore not be affected by an advert telling them not to do it intentionally!

Since the whole point of the advert is to scare people off from deliberate benefit fraud, your and Miss H's argument is bunkum.

And Wendy isn't accesed of unintentional benefit fraud anyway, so as well as being bunkum it is irrelevant.
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04/02/2008 16:52:18
I will comment up to and until someone is charged.
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04/02/2008 16:54:06
357 The advert says no ifs, no buts i,e. there are no excuses no matter what the circumstances. So if, and this is a true example, you lose your job and you continue to claim working tax credits while you are waiting for your jobseekers allowance to come through in order to feed your children you are a BENEFIT CHEAT. No ifs, no buts. They will not only reclaim the money but stop your jobseekers allowance as well, leaving you destitute. Technically you could also be charged because you have deliberately given false information.

This kind of thing happens a lot more often than you might be comfortable with.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 16:54:07
#369 No I wouldn't Karen, because you have never understood a single thing I have explained to you in the past.
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Jimmy the Pie,

04/02/2008 16:56:13
One good thing to come out of all this sleaze and corruption is that I have cancelled the payment that my union take from my subs without asking me. Not another penny go to the gang of sleaze merchants.
While I was feeling in an ungenerous mood I cancelled my standing order for the National Lottery. Not another penny going to the London Olympics from me - on principal.
The RNLI will now get the money instead.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 16:59:12
371 no they dont show people i think you will find it shows actors and you dont get "arrested" for benefit fruad. You get the social turning up and telling you that your getting cautioned and then they inform the authorities. Its the social that question you not the police. I happen to know people its happened to so unless you also know people also then i think youll find your talking shoite.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:01:28
371 and while im at it the adverts say no ifs no buts benefit fraud is a crime.
The point is no ifs not buts
election fraud is a crime.

one rule for them one for us.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:03:03
expect duncan to now come back with a disparaging comment re snp supporters and benefit fraud.
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George Mackay,

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Wendy isn't the only one with a donor problem. My nephew Malcolm has red hair and thinks he's a Pict. He wants to recreate the ancient race of Picts so he's now a sp.rm donor. He says he bumped into wee Douglas at the sp.rm donor place. He says he always knew Douglas was a w.n.k.r.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:05:16
379 as will all the other unionists probably. go on i dare you. In fact i triple dare you. cos you wont like my answer. go on please.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 17:05:56
#382 Those SNP supporters and their benefit fraud, eh?

Christ you're a drain on the will to live, Karen.
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MtnKat,

04/02/2008 17:06:53
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You show me yours first and I'll show you mine.........
Proof, that is............
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moiaussi,

04/02/2008 17:07:03
Duncan - don't you realise that defending corruption and criminality makes you an associate to such activities? The best thing you can do for Labour is to root out corruption and start afresh with new MSPs/MPs not try to defend it.
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Publius,

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#360 Miss H
Right on! Why should candidates for an internal party position need to run a public campaign at all? Why did Wendy need any money for a campaign when she was the only candidate? What did she do with the money? Since it wasn't need will she hand it all back?
What did the people who gave her the money hope to get out of it?
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:12:06
385 actually the girl was a friend of mine at the time she was a labour supporter. he he he.
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beckypumps1,

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377 after 20 years I have left amicus or what ever their name is now. I was a health and safety rep and feel employees should have a voice but it is shear arrogance on the union’s part to pass on some of my contributions to the Labour party. If I go to a branch meeting I can have it stopped. Maybe when new members join they should be asked which political party dues should be sent to or failing that what charity. When this is addressed I will be happy to rejoin.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:13:39
anyways back to my save the wendy campaign. we want wendy to stay.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:15:26
391 completely agree. anyway becky do you support my save the wendy campaign. I may have to start up the whole banknote campaign again. obviously we shall have to save the scottish banknotes first because that nasty mr darling wants to get rid of them.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:17:06
385 duncan i think you are confusing your support for the labour party with my cheery chatter. save the wendy.
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Miss H,

04/02/2008 17:17:28
389 I don't know the answer to that. It is actually the most puzzling aspect of the whole affair to me.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:18:03
394 do they not have a brazilian.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:19:16
389 apparently she spent it on accomodation and leaflets and websites and videos. Didnt mention what type of videos.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:21:06
wow i just though if the pf decided not to prosecute everyone will think she has the judiciary in her pocket as well. How funny is that.
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04/02/2008 17:21:21
#400 - except that thou art not he.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:21:54
401 nope. congrats. on your 4 hunner bagging.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:22:40
403 ach we know but hes actually getting to be quite amusing and has made some good points.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:25:50
duncan yoo hoo duncan have i bored you to death yet.

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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:27:52
406 the only ginger nuts i know anything about are the type you eat...................
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:28:37
i like to dip them in my tea and then sook them.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:30:05
409 hair colouring of what, collar or cuffs?
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:30:40
409 your not a gingerist are you?
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:31:24
413 i dont know what you mean i was talking about biscuits. mcvities.
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04/02/2008 17:32:22
think duncan is deceased think i have bored him to death?
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Colin Midlem,

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This topic has attracted the most responses I can remember since starting to observe and participate.

It is interesting that the deleted items are never given a reason when the format offers such. Could it be that the spelling is so much worse than most contributions?

Why are contributions banned?

Why don't you cut out the huge volume of detritus which arises because they can? Life is too short to count the nonsense and non-topic responses in this item. Do they add to the considered debate? This forum is wasted by the moronic commentary of the hoi poloi.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:34:25
411 are you the meths fakey today. I hve been most impressed today fakey you have been doing some sterling work there. Are you a method fakey do you like to immerse yourself in the moniker before you fake. Do you constantly say to yourself "what is my motiviation"
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:35:47
418 not being coming very long have you we have been on here sometimes and the responses number in the thousands.
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Stuart Douglas Ross,

New York, USA 04/02/2008 17:36:09
Nice to know my cousins across the pond are as hip-deep in political manure as we Yanks. If you do throw her out, she can come over here, seems she'd fit right in. Besides, Bill Clinton needs a new woman to molest, I'm sure she'd fit the bill admirably, being kinda borderline cute.
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boudica,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 17:36:12
Nonsense. Labour are renowned for corruption, which is not something we can say about the SNP at all" and Labour are not renowned for " Corruption" that is the Tories Wee Ecks pals and because of recent happenings with the Labour party do not class all the same , Anyone one caught lining their own pockets from which ever party should be thrown out quick as and
You are in for a Rude awakening sometime soon because for you make the error that the SNP are above all that and whiter than snow ..Rubbish... To follow anyone or anything blindly always ends up in trouble ..just look chgeck history and look around the World and see how Nationlist Parties fare ..Whiter than Snow ?? Nahhhhh!!!


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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:36:46
416 ach im off to the herald or another board for a while to continue the keep wendy campaign.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:37:35
421 what is this with the cute thing and wendy alexander have you not seen her on you tube.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:38:38
422 boudica the question is should she stay or should she go?
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boudica,

04/02/2008 17:39:20
411...It is the SNP who do Quisling thing ... ....Why is the SNP supporters dont read up on their Party ...Tut ..tut ..
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boudica,

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Me personally and I am a Unionist to the Core ..think she should go the same way I think the guy from the SNP who forgot to declare the £5.000 for 3 yrs should go
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:41:26
425 where did everyone go spook. by the way i didnt accept that thingy thing you sent on the thing cos i didnae know it ws you so you need to send it again. soreeeee.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:42:23
428 why do you think she should go dont you think shes innocent and should stay and defend her honour or whatever that thing shes defending is.
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Pa broon,

04/02/2008 17:43:36
It's time for rent a mouth to take responsibility and step down.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:43:47
428 can i ask why you are a unionist to the core? If you dont mind that is.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:44:44
pa broon now are you a unionist or a nationalist becaue the cybernats are now right behind wendy and we want her to stay.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:48:33
byeee spooky
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 17:54:30
bye spooky
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04/02/2008 17:58:12
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Shellfishfarmer,

Inverness 04/02/2008 18:01:21
I agree with earlier comments on the lame reason Wendy gave for the £995 gifts, viz. so that they would not buy influence. If that were the case then I am sure supporters would have been willing to make it up to £1,500 or £2,000 or £5,000 and not seek influence. The true fact is that there is a conspiracy at the heart of this to avoid the electoral register. While that may be legal, is it within the spirit of the law? I don't think so. I think Wendy has shown herself to be a total hypocrite, unworthy of her leadership status.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 18:04:27
Right then, who hasnt watched cute little me cavorting around on you tube yet then?
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 18:06:52
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uVvsI1S46bE

youll love it, i promise yous!
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Kenny A,

04/02/2008 18:07:55
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Send a link, are you a French rugby player to be cavorting?
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NovaScotia™`,

04/02/2008 18:29:17
#452: you're good, but not that good...
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 18:33:33
fakie its blatantly obvious to everyone that your not me. for a start you cant do the gaelic. secondly it takes years of practice to be this bad at spelling and punctuation its not something you pick up overnight ye know.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 18:34:29
451 hi meths the real one.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 18:36:12
hows the plunge pool. yes it is really moi. where were you when the whole wendy story broke you have been posted MIA.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 18:38:16
#455: begone fakey karin! How dare you insult my spelling! Your as pedatik as meths! Youd better not insult my appearance on you tube i have a big fan in #447 kenny a now and hes not getting my no.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

04/02/2008 18:40:28
Hoos Poos Meths and Marinka

bit of a flakey fakey meltdown?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

04/02/2008 18:41:01
Hahahah - fakies posts got blitzed in minutes
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Sgurr,

04/02/2008 18:44:39
Meths (the real one) - congratulations on annoying that tranny to the extent that he has spent DAYS faking you with all the effective tranny skills of a bearded tramp in high heels. I salute you!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

04/02/2008 18:52:17
461. ROTFL - I know - I was looking yesterday - fakey tranny and co were on up to 3am, then again at 9am, then all day until 1.30am!

Oh he must really be upset to be so "dedicated". And what a great impact he has.... hehehee
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HEN BROON 5,

SNP GOVERENED ALBA 04/02/2008 18:54:07
418 Colin Midlem,Belmont, MA, USA 04/02/2008 17:32:23

Very accurate observation. There are spoiling tactics taking place by the unionist gang hut, such as faking the monikers of posters who loose them in argument and shoot them down in flames.

We also have a resident unionist moderator who patrols these boards under various guises agitating and sneering and deleting anything that it finds distasteful.

And then we have the "reason for removal," option which is never used due to lack of moral fibre on the part of the remover.

Finally, the activity on this board mirrors the political landscape here now. Unionism is morally and financially bankrupt, having been the mainstream for decades in Scotland under the guise of Labour. We only have to look at the calibre of their members and their criminal activity to see how rotten and corrupt that hegemony let them become.

In opposition they have no idea how to behave. So we see them behaving like a malevolent spoilt child, spitting and snarling and throwing their toys out of the pram. The enquiry over the Trump affair is an example of the fact that their interests are purely cynical and self interest, as their gravy train runs out of steam.

The Scottish Government meanwhile is flying the flag for Scotland and getting on with repairing the damage done by these inbred over promoted shop stewards.

ALBA GU BRATH.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/02/2008 18:56:56
#465 Oh aye, and I bet the person who faked me continually for weeks a few months ago was a unionist too?
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kimba,

04/02/2008 19:04:39
KarinM. you really are not getting this, wendy was told she didnae have to register, then all of a sudden she did, set up or what!
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HEN BROON 5,

04/02/2008 19:09:57
Change of thread the herring boat is in.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 19:15:07
473. Are you deaf,it is a clear case of misunderstanding,she was told she did not need to register, now all of a sudden she needs to, con or what!
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 19:18:15
she was told she didnt need to register after asking after the deadline for registering.

anyway im busy kimba trying to start a write on your banknotes campaign to save the wendy she is a gift to the snp. i want her to stay.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 19:19:37
have you run out of fakie monikers then fakie.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/02/2008 19:21:24
We'll have to wait and see what happens to the big brain. Some brain. MacDonnell could exert his position as Political Editor and write about it, though.

Doubt it as he appears to be a bought and sold.

Reckon there is more to come out in the wash than is being reported though.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 19:22:14
477 douglas fraser at the herald is a bought and sold. i outed him.
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Hickory,

US 04/02/2008 19:23:12
I will bid one Hillary against your Wendy and raise you one McCain. Let's see, that's one jumpin' monkey
for your flyin' monk and seein' you with one idiot.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 19:24:52
479 im no good at cards.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 19:25:42
479 I like barak obama but even though hilary is a woman i dont think she would make a good presdident.
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Karin M,

04/02/2008 20:10:28
col and others real not fakie posters off to the hbp piano bar you know where.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 04/02/2008 20:25:02
Chuffing flip, nearly 500 posts, do any of them make any sense, has the WENDY packed it in yet, has Kimba sued anyone?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

04/02/2008 20:27:24
Oscar

we are all at the hpb piano bar

come along

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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 04/02/2008 20:30:05
Ahoy hoy AS, any directions?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

04/02/2008 20:31:38
Oscar

post an email addy and I'll send u directions.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 04/02/2008 20:36:34
Not on here I get enough offers from Russian chicks wanting to lengthen my schlong with Viagzra.

Follow the Foulkes foto & you'll find me.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

04/02/2008 20:38:02
497 ok, email me at hoospoosberero@yahoo.com
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 04/02/2008 20:51:33
Done, you have apfelmail.

Meths, who would have guessed you were a republican.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 20:58:40
475. you are a total troll!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

04/02/2008 21:02:39
504:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/151/WHATEVER~What-Ever-Posters.jpg
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boudica,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 21:13:44
through their support that he made it to the office of FM , the Plonker even had is pic taken with the Resi`m back ...I think Wendy as a lot of stupid people advising or else she ignores advice ...This has went on and on and I think it is better to withdraw and clear your name then it is a case comeback fighting tooth and nail and Karen M you ask why I am a Unionist to the Core ...well I cannot stand nationalism of any Sort ..History is the best Teacher and Salmonds Party is the Worst kind and his comment at the begining of his " Reign" he came out with " We can leave and If it doesnt work we can always rejoin" ( The Union)says it all he is a Racist and his Anti English stance which he has tried to soften recently doesnt wash and also I watched him and his friend Saeed chat on tv and that raised concerns as most nats seem to think Scotland is untouchable and that the Islamic Extremism will never touch Scotland even after the Glasgow Airport attack what did he and his mates do ...run and make sure that the Muslim community were okay ..Salmond worried more about them than he did those at the Airport ..Why ..because it was taurant owner whose establishment was raided just weeks before and load of Illegal immigrants were taken out of it ..but his wee mate asked Salmond to go to the Home Office and get special dispensation for Asians to be brought into the Country to cook Curry and wait on tables or otherwise he would have to use locals or Europeans who cannot do this ...Did Salmond stand up and say ..Sorry no can do as that is rather Racist and not allowed as anyone outside the EU will not get permision to stay or work in the UK and for years it is that industry that has been bringing in Illegals for well over 40yrs ...No Salmond said he will hot foot it down to the Home Office ..the Guy wont even go to Westminister and do the Job he gets that Second wage for ..you know the one ...the one he said he wouldnt take remember 1 check Eck ...he kept 2 and the 3rd he started
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boudica,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 21:29:26
£rd attempt to sort this out ..Hope you understand this as the last one shows you that this woman cannot multi task when chatting to friend who has just fahfahed her puter..Duh!!!
I`m back ...I think Wendy has a lot of stupid people advising or else she ignores advice ...This has went on and on and I think it is better to withdraw and clear your name then it is a case comeback fighting tooth and nail and Karen M you ask why I am a Unionist to the Core ...well I cannot stand nationalism of any Sort..History is the best Teacher and Salmonds Party is the Worst kind and his comment at the beginning of his " Reign" he came out with " We can leave and If it doesn’t work we can always rejoin" ( The Union)says it all he is a Racist and his Anti English stance which he has tried to soften recently doesn’t wash and also I watched him and his friend Saeed chat on TV and that raised concerns as most nats seem to think Scotland is untouchable and that the Islamic Extremism will never touch Scotland even after the Glasgow Airport attack what did he and his mates do ...run and make sure that the Muslim community were okay ..Salmond worried more about them than he did those at the Airport...Why...because it was through their support that he made it to the office of FM , the Plonked even had is pick taken with the Restaurant owner whose establishment was raided just weeks before and load of Illegal immigrants were taken out of it ..But his wee mate asked Salmond to go to the Home Office and get special dispensation for Asians to be brought into the Country to cook Curry and wait on tables or otherwise he would have to use locals or Europeans who cannot do this ...Did Salmond stand up and say...Sorry no can do as that is rather Racist and not allowed as anyone outside the EU will not get permission to stay or work in the UK and for years it is that industry that has been bringing in Illegal’s for well over 40yrs ...No Salmond said he will hot foot it down to the Home Office ..The G
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boudica,

04/02/2008 21:30:45
Part 2
The Guy wont even go to Westminster and do the Job he gets that Second wage for...you know the one ...the one he said he wouldn’t take remember 1 check Eck ...he kept 2 and the 3rd he started a wee charity fund with ...he started of his campaign telling more fairy Stories than the Grimm bros could write in a lifetime and he accuses labour of lying..It didn’t take him long to start telling Porkies did it...
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Zambo,

04/02/2008 21:40:44
Wow this is a frighteningly long thread and repetitive to the point of being excruciatingly boring.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

04/02/2008 21:45:04
506.507,508

and that children, is why one should avoid 40 years of heavy drinking and crack smoking?

could you perhaps distill your wisdom down to 1000 words Maltese Codger/ obsessed faker and mentalist stalker extraordinaire?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

04/02/2008 21:51:48
506,507,508 - If I could only distill the motivation and creative spark behind these posts down into liquid form I could be onto a new non habituating dental anaesthetic

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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 04/02/2008 22:07:17
#511 Ayrshire
Non habituating! Are you sure?