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Published Date: 21 January 2008
REPUBLICAN John McCain and Democrat Hillary Clinton are moving on toward the next battles in an unpredictable White House race after scoring tough wins in the first major presidential voting in the US South and West.
Mr McCain narrowly defeated rival Mike Huckabee on Saturday in South Carolina – a state where his presidential hopes were destroyed in a bitter 2000 battle that set George Bush on a path to the White House.

The Vietnam War veteran said the win would give him a boost going into the next big Republican contest on 29 January in Florida, where Rudy Giuliani hopes to make his first mark.

"I still think this is very competitive," Mr McCain said yesterday before heading to Miami. "I think we are doing very well. I think Florida is very important. I don't know if it's a must-win, but it's certainly a very, very important race."

Neither party has established a clear front-runner in the race to pick the two candidates to contest the 4 November election to succeed Mr Bush, as the first major state-by-state battles produced multiple winners.

Mr Giuliani has all but staked his campaign on Florida, a populous, diverse state where polls show a tight race, with Mr McCain leading the former New York mayor as well as the former Massachusetts governor, Mitt Romney. "We're ready for everybody to come down here, join us," he said.

Among Democrats, the next big contest is on Saturday in South Carolina. In Nevada's caucus, Mrs Clinton beat Barack Obama in a close struggle that featured voting in the state's famed casino hotels. The pair had split the first two Democratic contests and ended up disputing who held the upper hand.

"I guess this is how the West was won," Mrs Clinton, a New York senator, said in Las Vegas.

Although Mrs Clinton won more votes on Saturday, Mr Obama said his strength in some areas outside Las Vegas would give him the support of 13 delegates to Mrs Clinton's 12. Delegates select the presidential nominee at the party convention in August.

Jill Derby, the Nevada Democratic Party head, said Mr Obama had the edge, but the count could change by April.

Mr Romney won a Republican contest in Nevada that his rivals largely skipped.

After South Carolina and Florida, both parties turn their attention to the 5 February "Super Tuesday" round of 22 state contests, a massive shift from the intimate politics of early voting states to coast-to-coast flights and big-budget advertising campaigns.

Mrs Clinton's first stop after her Nevada victory was in St Louis, Missouri, a state that will vote on 5 February.

Mr Obama, an Illinois senator who would be the first black US president, leads polls in South Carolina, where more than half of the Democratic primary voters are expected to be black.

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  • Last Updated: 21 January 2008 12:04 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: US elections
 
1

Scullion,

Canada 21/01/2008 01:47:39
Although the American presidential electoral race is interminable, this one is going to be interesting at least until the first week of February. Even afterward, the choice for vice-president, especially on the Democrat side, will be unusually attention grabbing.
2

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 21/01/2008 03:00:29
Ron Paul finished 2'nd to Romney in the Nevada Republican race. He beat McCain, Guiliani & Thompson. Paul started last summer at 0% in the polls, unlike any of the other candidates who did not start at 0%. His improvement curve is the best. Paul also has spent a lot less money than all the other candidates who got significant votes. and when you consider that the mass media bashes him, this is quite something.

Scullion's description of 'interminable' for this process is apt.

Wait until September. That is when it will be known if a 3'rd party candidate will be fielded or not. Today there is gossip that a billionaire will back Ron Paul in such a spot. For whoever is still in the race after August it will take a large amount of money to compete, maybe over $100 million.
3

American,

21/01/2008 03:05:55
#2-wally-Ron paul got any votes at all because democrats could vote in the republican race in NV. Ron paul has no chance--Thank God.
4

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 21/01/2008 03:48:10
American in #3:

This year Americans have a big resentment of Republicans due to the performance of George Bush as president. But Ron Paul it is widely known is anti-war. he doesn't fit the mould of the other Republicans. Opinion polls show that he is the one Republican able to beat whoever wins the Democrat nomination. Democrats like to cross-over & vote for Paul, that is true. But Independents, not loyal to either party, are the ones who really like Paul. If the Republicans want to win in November, they better nominate Ron Paul.

5

Aoda,

U.S.A. 21/01/2008 04:19:52
Forget any third party. All they do is split the vote and the other party wins. Even if they did win, what next. Without a base in Congress a third party president has no chance to accomplish anything.

We have a good choice is seems. Clinton, an arrogant, and power hungry person that will do anything to be sit in the presidents chair while Billy Boy runs the country. Obama, don't know about him and lacking experience may be a good thing. McCain, many will not vote for him because of the McCain-Finegold and the McCain-Kennedy bills.

Not sure but this may be the first election I sit out since I started voting for president which was 1960.
6

American,

21/01/2008 05:36:56
#5-Aoda-Might want to do a little checking up on obamas voting records, especially with him wanting to give illegal immigrants drivers licenses, welfare benefits & whatever else they want. Hopefully McCain wont make nomination, neither will huckabee. Thompson will probably drop out, as will guiliani & ron paul doesnt have a chance. So far, seems romney might be the candidate. Which, from what little I know of his record so far, is a good thing.
7

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 21/01/2008 06:53:22
Hillary Rodham Clinton

US's first female Pres.

She could not possibly do more damage, to our country, than our war criminal Pres Bush, has done in 7 years in office.

JAN 20..2009

BYE BYE BUSH /CHENEY

You both should be tried in the World Court as WAR CRIMINALS.

GC
8

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21/01/2008 08:22:19
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21/01/2008 08:24:14
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Major General Puffin-Stuff,

21/01/2008 09:52:28
#8/#9

These are quite the most perceptive analyses of this story that I've read this morning.

Hi scoobie, nice to see that you're up and active, and worked out how to switch off the Caps Lock.
11

Dr Egg,

Bammer 21/01/2008 11:37:58
Give enough monkeys enough internet access and typing happens...
12

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 21/01/2008 12:00:02
American in #3

If you wrap tin foil very tight around your head before watching TV you would know that the media is preventing Ron Paul from becoming the next President.
13

Tourist Guide,

21/01/2008 12:27:38
Who is Ron Paul, and is that a good or bad thing?
14

Tourist Guide,

21/01/2008 12:41:10
I've just read about him on Wikipedia, and I can now answer the question I asked!
15

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

21/01/2008 13:18:55
I stupidly thought that GalacticCannibal might be interested in this thread - until I remembered that as a red-blooded American he is obsessed with SCOTTISH news and current affairs that he knows f*ck all about.
16

Aoda,

The Keystone State 21/01/2008 13:21:14
#6 American. Yes, haven't had time to really dig into Obama but I haven't said that I liked him in the first place, I was commenting on this thread. When I do look I go to http://thomas,loc.gov/ this is a very excellent site and you can read our represenatives and senators record their without any spin.

There isn't any congressman that has a good record on immigration. Some talk the talk but not walk the walk.

A couple of years ago an immigrant ran thru a stop sign driving an 18 wheeler and wiped out a family. Why, because he couldn't speak or read English and didn't know what the stop sign meant. Romney, maybe but will not I vote for Billary.

17

Masque,

21/01/2008 13:30:37
If he was standing ... how many would vote for Homer Simpson?
18

Tourist Guide,

21/01/2008 14:56:56
Why not? He'd do a better job than the present incumbent............but at the end of the day, it all boils down to his disposable income.
19

thatscottishwoman,

The Kirkyard 21/01/2008 16:27:05
#7 GalacticCannibal,

What makes Bush a war criminal? I think you ave injested far too many of your illegal mushrooms. If he were a war criminal he would be on trial. repeating a lie over and over does nat make it the truth.
20

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 21/01/2008 16:27:36
15
Major General Puffin-Stuff,
-----------------------------
Hillary The next US Pres. ...Deal with it.

Dude ,
Are U one of those Scottish deserters.
who abandoned Scotland and then squawk on these threads, about how great it is.

Does the word Hypocrite come to mind dude..

At least GC has not abandoned his country for another .

Sean Connery is possible the most famous of Scots hypocrite. Abandoned Scotland and then talks about his love for it.

Sambo .Deep South .. not famous like Sean C but did the same thing, he abandoned Scotland and now squawks about it.

All Scots, so-called ex-pats., are nothing more than hypocrites. You have no shame.

GC


21

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 21/01/2008 16:36:22
Why do u call mushroom illegal ? but Scots whiskey is legal

Define legal in this drug discrepancy..dude.

When Bush attacked a sovereign nation who did not attack the US. And his attack resulted in the killing of hundreds of thousands of its citizens and millions of refugees. Was he by that act a war criminal ?.

When Hitler attacked Poland and his attack resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of its citizens . Was he by that act a war criminal. ?

Explain your definition of a war criminal dude.

GC
22

Tourist Guide,

21/01/2008 17:57:39
GC #20

The only squawking, Dude, loud and raucous and ignorant as usual, comes from Murrieta,Ca captured from Mexico (when are you going to give it back?)

What's all this sh*t about ex-pat Scots and hypocrisy, levelled apparently at myself. Just proves my point - you REALLY know f*ck all! Mind you, you prove that over and over again and when you're found out, your only tactic is to launch into some incomprehensible rant. Still, it keeps us all laughing.

And what exactly is "Scots whiskey", Dude? Since when has it been a drug or narcotic? It's only the Yanks that call this SPIRIT "Scotch", but the correct spelling is "WHISKY", Dude. If it's "WHISKEY" it's Irish.

Alex Salmond for Scottish president.........Deal with it
23

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 21/01/2008 18:16:06
19
thatscottishwoman,
The Kirkyard

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GalacticCannibal,post #21

Was for the benefit of #19.
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22
Tourist Guide,

Dude hasn't anyone told u ASSUMPTIONS will get you WRONG all the time.

Whiskey (whisky) whether Scottish or Irish is a depressant synthetic DRUG, and causes the premature deaths of millions every year world wide. But its legal

Shrooms are psychedelic natural drugs . But they are illegal
Show me the death stats for shrooms world wide.
There is none. Why ?????

Calm down Dude.. or u may implode like a battery with internal shorts.

A person who abandons their country and later squawks about how great it is, and how they love it . Is nothing less than a HYPOCRITE.

You don't see Yanks abandoning their country and living in CHINA or Scotland.

Sean Connery should hang his head in SHAME.

GC



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57Nomad,

california 21/01/2008 18:19:03
#22 TG

TG said:

"Still, it keeps us all laughing."

I agree. As long as there is some entertainment value in the post, no matter how goofy the content, it's good. GC is a guy with passionate views. Like the rest of you I strongly suspect that his self-induced 5-HT overload has done some permanent and curious neuronal rewiring. He is on his way to becoming the Ed Wood of the Scotsman.


25

Tourist Guide,

21/01/2008 18:41:58
GC

"Whisky ......is a depressant synthetic DRUG"
_______________________________________________________

Do I need to point out yet another example of your IGNORANCE, Dude? I don't know about American whisk(e)y, but Scottish whisky is made from NATURAL ingredients and, responsibly drunk, can have proven health-giving properties. Check it out, dude - barley, water, natural yeast.

Who's getting excited, dude?

By the way, wrong again, dude. I have met many ex-pat Americans, one of whom I know particularly well being a friend and colleague who has lived here for nearly 20 years.

"Dude hasn't anyone told u ASSUMPTIONS will get you WRONG all the time".
26

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 21/01/2008 18:51:06
24
57Nomad,
california

------------------------------------
Hey Dude,
OH Lordi Lordi, Lordi.

So the 'all knowing Dude 57Nomad, joins with Sean Connery the numero uno hypocrite. Another deserter from the mother land Scotland.

What can we say Dudes. Ah but the SNP will put it all right . INDEPENDENCE for Scotland and the Chinese.

Are U listening Dragonhead ?? or are u at Ur local CCP office in Bej. getting those stats, on how many Chinese you lot executed in 2006

Its shroom omelet time with a glass of red Calif. plonk.

Hey 57Nomad DON'T PANIC.. remember, no escape from planet earth , the next ICE AGE is coming.

The Scots Saltire Flag cannot stop it. Neither can the Communist Red/Gold Flag of CHINA.

GC. remember Dudes.
"U ain't lost, if u don't care where u are"

27

57Nomad,

california 21/01/2008 19:00:03
#23 GC

GC said:

"Shrooms are psychedelic natural drugs . But they are illegal
Show me the death stats for shrooms world wide.
There is none. Why ?????"

Here you have asked a very good question. As to deaths attributed to psilocibin being zero, and I believe that is true, there is a good reason why. First let's define what a drug is, less argument afterward that way. A drug is any exogenous substance, that after being ingested, mimics, enhances, blocks, or inhibits the action of a neurotransmitter.

A substance that mimics or enhances the action of a NT is called an agonist. A substance that inhibits or blocks the action of a NT is called an antagonist. A legal drug such as alcohol enhances the action of the depressive NT, Gamma-aminobutyric acid, or more commonly, GABA. This NT is involved with the neural systems that subserve breathing and respiration. Should it come to pass that GABA or a GABA agonist such as alcohol reach a sufficient level those funtions, breathing and respitation, cease, and death quickly follows.

Psilocybin is an agonist of an NT called 5-hydroxytryptamine, 5-HT. This neurotransmitter was discovered before the time when it was possible to analyze it chemically and was given the name that is still in common usage, serotonin.

Serotonin is an NT that is not involved in the neuronal processes that are involved in breathing and respiration, consequently, ingesting even a foolishly large quantity is unlikely to be lethal. Psychedelic drugs do not cause dependency. No one ever got caught knocking of a 7-11 to feed their mushroom jones.

It is unfortunate that GC is identified with them because his tenuous grip on reality, reflected in his writing, may lead one to believe that it was the 'shrooms that addled him. It is much more likely that he was addled long before he could spell mushroom.
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57Nomad,

california 21/01/2008 19:11:09
#26 GC

GC said:

"So the 'all knowing Dude 57Nomad, joins with Sean Connery the numero uno hypocrite. Another deserter from the mother land Scotland."

What in the hell are you talking about? Could you please reference the post that leads you to believe that I am "Another deserter from the mother land Scotland." This is a strange comment, even from you. Could you explain it please?
29

Horrible Cankers..dans le Cyber Shebeen,

21/01/2008 19:14:16
23 GalacticCannibal

You must have cysts on your brain.
30

Horrible Cankers..dans le Cyber Shebeen,

21/01/2008 19:23:53
10 Major General Puffin-Stuff

Whos your friend when things are rough? HR Puff-n-stuff. Has Wally or GC called you a war criminal yet? Since you are a General they may assume you are a war criminal or a Jew.
31

Taz,

The Land of the Free. 21/01/2008 21:55:31
RE: 2 Wally,By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA)

A Big five Stars.
32

Tourist Guide,

22/01/2008 00:29:38
GC (I know you're there)

A last quick question, since I'm about to go to bed. It's 00:31 here in "mother land Scotland", dude!

What do John Muir, Alan Pinkerton, Alexander Graham Bell, John Paul Jones and Andrew Carnegie (to name but 5) have in common? Think about it, dude - what would our great ex-colony be without them?

AND 17 US Presidents are of Scottish descent.

But it's OK.........we realise your feeling of inferiority is because you CAN'T claim Scottish ancestry.
33

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 22/01/2008 01:10:05
although right wing myself I do NOT TRUST McCain until he renages on his refusal to permit torture.
34

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22/01/2008 02:04:18
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57Nomad,

california 22/01/2008 02:58:56
#32 TG

TG said:

"But it's OK.........we realise your feeling of inferiority is because you CAN'T claim Scottish ancestry."

TG, it's not entirely clear he can claim human ancestry.
36

Tourist Guide,

22/01/2008 09:26:31
#35 57Nomad

57Nomad said:

"TG, it's not entirely clear he can claim human ancestry".

Maybe a bit harsh - the laddie just gets a bit confused.

 

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