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Clamour grows for UEFA cup violence probe to be widened



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Published Date: 16 May 2008
CALLS continued today for an inquiry into the violence at the UEFA Cup final to be widened.
Senior politicians in Scotland have urged Manchester City Council to carry out a full inquiry into the violence, which saw clashes between police and Rangers fans following their team's 2-0 defeat.

CCTV images have shown fans charging at police an
d attacking one officer after he was tripped and fell to the ground, while hundreds of others were seen hurling bottles at riot officers.

First Minister Alex Salmond said the Manchester council inquiry would initially look at the breakdown of one of the big screens which had been due to show the match.

The incident incensed thousands of Rangers fans who had been due to watch the game at a specially created "fan zone."

Speaking at question time in the Scottish Parliament, Mr Salmond said he believed that the council's inquiry was "initially, at least, quite limited in its scope, looking in particular at the circumstances of the equipment breakdown."

He added: "I would think the inquiry should be wider in its scope.

"It seems that the behaviour of a small minority of fans was completely unacceptable

"I think there are a number of other aspects to inquire into and certainly we'll give full cooperation to all the matters under our responsibility to such an inquiry."

Scottish Labour politicians, Tories and Lib Dems have also called for a joint inquiry to be held following the violence, which Greater Manchester Police said had left 15 police officers injured under a "severe level of attack" from Rangers fans.

Former Scottish Tory leader and Edinburgh Pentlands MSP David McLetchie said a minority of Rangers fans had done serious damage to Scotland's reputation.

And he said: "All the inquiries in the world cannot disguise the fact some people behaved appallingly and should be punished severely."

But he questioned the wisdom of encouraging large numbers of fans to travel to the venue and watch the match on big screens.

He said: "Probably 80 per cent of the fans who went to Manchester didn't have tickets. Perhaps in future we should look at whether we really want to encourage vast armies of ticketless fans to congregate in city centres."

Today, Pc Mick Regan, who was seen on CCTV being ambushed by dozens of fans after helping a colleague escape a bottle attack, said the scenes were the worst violence he had witnessed in his 23-year career.

The 47-year-old was seen being kicked, punched and stamped on by the gang, but escaped with only sore ribs and a puncture wound to his arm after being dragged from the fray by a fan.

He said: "It was frightening, on a different scale from any other match I have worked in my 23-year career. It seemed the vast majority (of fans) were drunk and just wanted to cause trouble.

"Never in my career have I been in a situation like that. It was unbelievable. I can't tar them all with the same brush. The fans we met who were coming away from the stadium were as good as gold, but the people who were kicking off were drunk and out for trouble. I know they will say it's a minority but a few thousand is a big minority."





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  • Last Updated: 16 May 2008 10:57 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Rangers FC
 
1

CHUCKY,

16/05/2008 12:15:02
Rangers need to stand up and say enough is enough. If their leaders won't do it (and they show no such inclination) where are the 'decent' fans?

Surely, if it was only a 'small minority' then they should be shopped.

Bain blames everyone from Chelsea headhunters to casuals the length and breadth of the land instead of grasping the nettle and sorting the problem out.

Graham Spiers calls a spade a spade, he is a rangers man who accepts and addresses the problem.

Is there a market for a rangers team stripped of the FTP, BJK, WATP, GSTQ, baggage? That is the question Murray will be asking himself today, if there isn't then he is left with a product NO-ONE will buy off him.
2

Paddi,

16/05/2008 12:20:22
maybe there should be lessons on how to do it? 21/05/2003, no arrests no trouble. look and learn
3

eric,

lothian 16/05/2008 12:20:36
The violence was awful to watch,and Gtr man police chaged 12 folks today it shouldnt be hard to find the minority of thugs,but most of the 200thousand gers fans had a fantastic day and well done to them,the police and man council admitted they couldnt cope,they went back on decision and lifted booze ban,
4

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 12:28:25
Eh... Ok Mr Salmond. The violence was caused by Rangers fans, therefore, why not send down some of Strathclydes finest to carry out the enquiry. They will have a better knowledge of all the eejits that were down there.

In attempting to question the wisdom of inviting such a large number of people to watch the game on TV's in Fan Zones I think you are out of order. If Manchester Council hadn't offered this, you would have been slagging off a 'spoil-sport council' today. What Manchester did was a gesture of good will. Now, due to Scottish 'fans' appalling behaviour Manchester United fans are unable to view their Champions League final in their OWN city. Something that is far more important to them than Rangers needs.
5

Layabout MSP,

16/05/2008 12:50:58
1&2 celtc fans critising Rangers - that's rich! You're both bad as each other, the only ones that don't seem to see it are celtc and rangers fans.

Scotland and Scottish football would be better off without either of you - it's only a pity the 10 teams didnt stick to their guns and go it alone. No Celtc or Rangers = no sectarian shame!
6

Lianachan,

Highlands 16/05/2008 12:57:05
Are UEFA doing anything? I would have thought this could be the last straw, and that Rangers could (should?) be looking at a ban from European football for a few seasons. I was surprised that didn't happen after the trouble that erupted in Europe last season, actually.
#4 is right - although the number of Union flags in evidence makes me class Rangers and their fans as British, not Scottish.
7

Paddi,

16/05/2008 12:57:52
#5 you're off topic.

Unless the press have forgotten to mention it the trouble in Manchester was nothing to do with sectarianism.

The last time a Scottish team was in a UEFA cup final outwith Scotland there was nae bother
8

InsideOutside,

16/05/2008 13:00:51
#7,

Nothing to do with sectarianism?????

DID YOU NOT HEAR THE SINGING?

Or are you another "bhoy" who doesn't think that supporting "the cause" and celebrating a TERRORIST organisation that has killed innocents including women, children and pensioners is wrong.

9

Magnet,

16/05/2008 13:01:48
It is not hard to work out why this situation arose. After the screens failed as you will always get at any large venue some idiots threw missiles at the broken screens. The police foolishly then baton charged the already volatile crowd and it developed into serious disorder. Police baton charges should only be employed for serious disorder and not minor as was the case at the beginning. It was the strong arm tactics employed by the police that brought this whole situation to a head. Obviously the fans that retaliated should be ashamed and if caught then severely punished. This would not have happened in Scotland as the police would not baton charge a volatile crowd of that size for minor incidents. Will this be in the inquiry ... it`s doubtful ! Many innocent men and women were injured by police that were over zealous to say the least. This will be ignored and the whole thing used by the media as another big stick to beat Rangers with.
10

LUVMACITY,

IN THE LOBBY 16/05/2008 13:02:15
GET YOUR FACTS CORRECT CHUCKY. GRAEME SPEIRS IS & ALWAYS HAS BEEN A CELTIC SUPPORTER.
11

The Hallucinist,

16/05/2008 13:03:36
I thought that head her up ar53h0le would have been on by now, posting ignorant and uneducated comments!!
12

Prof,

16/05/2008 13:04:35
Everyone can relax. According to the weegie press the problem was caused by the Giant Screen breaking down and the police over reacting. The Rangers supporters were simply exercising their god given right to trash and samsh anything and anyone that happened to be in their way.
13

Magnet,

16/05/2008 13:05:00
6
Airhead !
14

InsideOutside,

16/05/2008 13:06:41
#6,

UEFA and the SFA will bury their heads in the sand and pretend it didn't happen and that all teams in Europe have their "minority".

Absolute nonsense...

Rangers and Celtic have a very large "minority" of scum fans, singing songs that celebrate the murder of innocents. Furthermore, they teach their children the same filth so the (very) vicious circle never stops.

BAN RANGERS FROM EUROPEAN FOOTBALL - IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS SCUM FROM TARNISHING THE REPUTATION OF GOOD SCOTTISH FOOTBALL TEAMS.
15

Magnet,

16/05/2008 13:20:23
14
"tarnishing the reputation of good Scottish football teams" ... like who ? Less than ten minutes after I post no 9 a big stick waver arrives !
16

AbandonAllHope,

16/05/2008 13:22:53
Drown them all in the River Bann
17

Magnet,

16/05/2008 13:25:21
1 Chucky
Spiers is far from being a Rangers man ! What makes you just have the urge tae make stuff up ? It just makes you look a fool !
18

Arrow,

edinburgh 16/05/2008 13:27:21
Good to see that there is no sectarianism in Edinburgh and that there are no Heart's end or Hib's end when the two teams are playing each other.
regarding the waving of the Union flag; it has nothing to do with being British is is more not being Irish as far as the Rangers fans are concerned. a number had some wee red hand in the middle. Might that be an Ulster flag? about as much relevance as Celtic fans waving the Irish flag. they are both as bad as each other and the Hibs/Hearts bunch are not much better they just have fewer members from a smaller catchment.
19

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

16/05/2008 13:27:51
He actually supports Bon Accord. I've seen him there, waving his scarf like a demented Magnus Pyke.
20

macko,

16/05/2008 13:33:50
Martin Bain says "it wasn't us"
Read this article be Graham Spiers - he has to be admired for his honesty and frankness. He even writes that the media have been asked to play down the sectarianism at Rangers. #1 is correct - Rangers are a club fuelled by hatred.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article3942106.ece
21

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16/05/2008 13:34:12
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22

InsideOutside,

16/05/2008 13:35:41
#15,

Like any team outside the scum from Glesca. End of.
23

Magnet,

16/05/2008 13:38:24
22
You sound like a great ambassador for them ! Amoeba !
24

Bemused and above it all,

16/05/2008 13:47:51
Scum wearing ANY strip are NOT FANS.
Read the full interview with the cop who was jumped on by about 20 #rsewipes, even he says that it was a FAN who dragged him away and then got him into the back of a police van.
THAT is the actions of a TRUE RANGERS FAN, if we get a ban then so be it, will not be happy but can accept why, IT IS NOW TIME FOR THE TRUE RANGERS FANS TO STAND UP AND NAME AND SHAME THE C##TS WHO HAVE TARNISHED OUR NAME.
25

Bemused and above it all,

16/05/2008 13:48:45
Out of intereste has the fan who hit the Rangers Doctor with the coins at the last OF game been identified yet?
Nope didnt think so, probably busy posting on here in a holier than thou way
26

Smasher,

16/05/2008 13:49:47
I thought Scotland was lovely place on Wednesday evening. I went for a walk safe in the knowledge that half the criminal/thug element was on holiday down south and the other half were praying to the pope for a russian victory in front of their tv's. If we could just have a Scotland without that lot. It would be a smashing place to live.
27

Bemused and above it all,

16/05/2008 13:51:14
In fact they are not c##ts as they at least have a purpose
28

Bemused and above it all,

16/05/2008 13:52:04
so i apologise to all c##ts for comparing them to the pondlife
29

NorT,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 13:58:45
From what I have seen on TV this was all caused by bad policing and preparation. Why were officers in riot gear used, they seemed to be enjoying themselves rather than keeping the peace.. This surely made the situation worse. I bet those involved in the violence were not true Rangers fans. Manchester Council, were also at fualt for lifting their drinking ban. WEhat else did they expect.
30

Magnet,

16/05/2008 13:59:53
I would urge anyone that was innocently beaten or injured by the Police in Manchester on Wednesday to make a written complaint and maybe they can answer tae it if a full inquiry arises !
31

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16/05/2008 14:02:20
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32

Magnet,

16/05/2008 14:12:10
31
Many innocent fans not Hooligans were beaten and battered by riot cops and some were even bitten by police dogs. The behaviour of some of the police was nothing short of disgraceful. To attack a volatile crowd with batons for minor offences is a recipe for disaster. Questions must be asked !
33

Magnet,

16/05/2008 14:19:14
As usual our media go down the anti- Rangers route ! Have they not managed to find any of the many innocently injured fans that were the victims of police brutality ! Didnt think so ! Why let the truth get in the way of a good anti-Rangers story !
34

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 14:21:05
No.29 Try watching the footage WITHOUT the blue tinted glasses on! Manchester Council brought in engineers to fix the screen, however, they were unable to attend to the screen as bottles were being thrown at them. Manchester Council also had a contingency plan which would have seen buses (which were on standby) ferry supporters to the velodrome where another screen was being erected. However, the Rangers fans were by that point well past the point of return. Contingency plans like these have to be in place for large scale events like this and Manchester Council have told the details of theirs which would have worked had the Rangers fans not been idiots.

Police in riot gear were not dispersed at first as can be seen early on in the 5 hour riots. If you think that anyone is willing to walk into a hail of bottles, bins and any other projectile without riot gear on then you are as stupid as those throwing same articles.
35

I still don't believe it !,

16/05/2008 14:23:01
Magnet you need to get a grip and stop blaming everybody but the real culprits. Those 'fans' showed themselves in their true colours and came up against local police who werent going to let them get away with it.Rangers have a support that week after week turns up in numbers large enough to make them think they can get away with anything; They found out different this time! The only question that needs asked is what planet do you live on?
36

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 14:24:04
If a Policeman with an Alsatian dog is telling you to move out of the way due to large scale disturbances would you not move out of the way of the dog?

Most sensible people would, the dog is still on it's lead and being controlled by it's handler, therefore the fan that was bitten was probably acting in an aggressive manner and refusing to move away from the trouble area. Think about what happened prior to that picture being taken of that 'poor' fan being bitten.

I hope the dog was given a tetanus jab after that.
37

My opinions count for more than yours,

because I'm special 16/05/2008 14:25:31
I have been to probably 200 football matches all over the UK. I have only feared for my life twice. Guess which team was playing each time? It wasn't Stirling Albion.
38

I still don't believe it !,

16/05/2008 14:31:27
Magnet do you get sexually aroused by what happened? You can get help you know, there's no reason for you to go through life as a total t*sser.

Make this your chug free year!
39

Paddi,

16/05/2008 14:43:53
#37 Cowdenbeath?? they're frighteningly bad
40

Magnet,

16/05/2008 14:45:10
38
You just eventually resort tae type and show yourself as an anti-Rangers closed minded fool !
36
That sounds really plausable ! The guy who wasn`t arrested just let a police dog bite his leg ! Even bigger fool than 38
37
What games were they then ?
41

I still don't believe it !,

16/05/2008 14:45:58
#39 What, all three of them?
42

Magnet,

16/05/2008 14:47:12
39
They come fae near Lochgelly !
They`re stinky and there smelly !
They huvnae got a tellie !
The Cowden family !
43

I still don't believe it !,

16/05/2008 14:53:39
Magnet - so your not going to give the chugging up then?

Rangers aren't important enough for me to take sufficient interest in, so I don't really have any "Anti" views about them. I am anti mindless clowns in football tops that barely cover their beer bellies and, worst of all, white sports socks. So if that applies to them lot what got a well deserved and healthy leathering I'm yer man.

Don't make this a battle of wits, you don't have the ammunition to win.
44

Magnet,

16/05/2008 14:54:24
38
You tried it then !
45

I still don't believe it !,

16/05/2008 14:57:07
Magnet - Is that the best you can come up with?
46

Magnet,

16/05/2008 14:57:37
43
If you are not interested then why are you on here then ?
Sounds like a really clever thing tae be doing ... oh ! witty one !
47

Magnet,

16/05/2008 14:59:41
45
Answer the question ! You tried it then giving it up that is ?
48

Magnet,

16/05/2008 15:01:20
45
Simple yes or no will suffice !
49

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 15:03:36
Magnet... Police dogs are used for controlling crowds, not arresting people. Have you ever seen a dog put the cuffs on anyone? It would be an interesting witness in the court case.

At the end of the day the police were clearly trying to control the Rangers fans, if the idiot that got bitten was stupid enough to be anywhere near a Police Dog then hell mend him. That type of police dog is used to control crowds, by the sight of the Rangers fan lying on the ground crying like a little baby, looks like Poochie done its job.

Simple answer; if you don't want to get bitten by a dog, move out of it's way. Why anyone would want to stay in that atmosphere with bottles being thrown around is beyond me, deserved to get bitten.
50

Magnet,

16/05/2008 15:07:08
49
Don`t tell me youve never seen Hong Kong Fooie !
51

Lianachan,

HIghlands 16/05/2008 15:07:29
#13 What a witty and intelligent response. Do you have anything worthwhile to say about my actual comments, or is insulting me by calling me an airhead enough for just now?
52

Magnet,

16/05/2008 15:09:15
49
The dog captures the suspect and the handler or other officer makes the arrest but this was not done and the dog was only used as a weapon ! Stop being such a mug !
53

The Central Scutinizor,

16/05/2008 15:09:33
Rangers fans are the worst and always will be - the biggest bunch of meat-headed individuals you will ever meet - you only have to witness the set of mongs that walk alongside Orange marches
54

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 15:13:18
Ha ha Mug. Very good.

The dog is used to disperse crowds. Maybe if you got out of the house a little more often you would realise this. Dogs are used as crowd control at football matches, boxing events, controversial marches etc. Just because someone is bitten doesn't mean that they have to be arrested. The main issue at that point would have been to control the crowd with as many officers on the ground as possible. Not tying up an officer and the dog to arrest the idiot.

Common sense approach to the problem is what is required when thousands of people are tearing a city apart. I would not expect you to understand that though.
55

Magnet,

16/05/2008 15:13:25
51
"makes me class Rangers and their fans as British not Scottish" ... do you really want me tae explain it for you "Airhead" ! It`s simple really .... they are one and the same ... if you are Scottish you are British it`s not optional !
56

I still don't believe it !,

16/05/2008 15:14:32
Magnet 3 posts in row? Are you experiencing heightened excitement? Did your hand go out of control? Do you need a break to clean up a wee mess?

If you answered yes to any of these questions go to www.chugganon.co.uk for help



57

Lianachan,

HIghlands 16/05/2008 15:15:12
#55 Have it your way then. Cheery bye.
58

I still don't believe it !,

16/05/2008 15:18:55
magnet - Now your an authority on national identity! Chugg on there little fella.
59

Magnet,

16/05/2008 15:19:37
54
Read post 9 for common sense ya mug ! If you baton charge a volatile crowd for minor incidents then it will more often than not escalate into a serious disorder ... regardless of the event ! If this was done at a music festival then it would result in the same scenario or any large crowd gathering for that matter ! But don`t let that get in the way of your anti-Rangers agenda !
60

Lianachan,

Highlands 16/05/2008 15:23:24
I see David Murray is going to ban anybody convicted of involvement in any of the trouble. That's good - however, shouldn't they look at banning anybody identifiable on CCTV? Not everybody who should have been arrested was arrested. Magnet - I'm not asking you, you probably think they should be given compensation, or campaign medals or smoething.
61

Magnet,

16/05/2008 15:23:52
58
Answer the question ... otherwise I shall assume that you are incapable of a reasoned debate ! Your looking sillier by the minute ! As tae being Scottish and British .... that`s just another fact of life !
62

Honest,

16/05/2008 15:25:24
53 - the Tic fans glamourise terrorism, and support an outfit that blow up women and children whilst shopping! meatheads indeed! your fav timmy pub in the barras is pure class full of intelegent well spoken indviduals. I recently took an english client over there to show him both sides of the divide, a lovely young crakhead in a celtic top threatend to slit his face open because he refused to contribute to the "RA fund.
63

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 15:26:52
So what you are saying is that the Police started the trouble as Rangers fans are allowed to throw glass bottles at engineers who are trying to fix the screen, they are then allowed to stop a female passenger in her car, smash the windows of same car and cause as much damage as possible?

At what point would you allow police to use batons to control a crowd that are using weapons against them? Or would you let the city fall into a state of anarchy?

Well done to the Greater Manchester Police who stood up to these morons unlike Strathclyde.

I'm sorry Magnet, but the launguage that these tubes understand was meated back to them and they didn't like it.

You can't blame the Police, they were there, NOT in riot gear, getting chased down a street by a couple of hundred (if not more) Rangers 'fans', only after this were riot police deployed.

Minor incidents... ha ha ha ha ha ha. Billy Connolly was right... West Coast people are funnier than East Coast.
64

HibbyPaul,

16/05/2008 15:28:07
Regards the guy that was bitten by the dog.

Todays page 2 in the Sun shows a picture of two fat, ugly Rangers fans remonstrating with the polis just seconds before one of them was bitten by the dog, there's another picture taken moments later of said ugly, fat Rangers fan, now screaming like a wee bairn, being led away after being bitten.

Looks to me from the pictures that the fat, ugly Rangers fan who got bitten deserved it.
65

Magnet,

16/05/2008 15:28:33
58
If you don`t answer the question then you lose ! Oh ! Witty one ! Why do you find it so difficult tae answer it`s a simple yes or no !
66

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 15:29:29
#64. Thanks for that.

I'm still not sure that Magnet will grasp this point though.
67

Bemused and above it all,

16/05/2008 15:32:05
As I said in an earlier post hammer them all, if you were involved, can be identified as being involved and have the cheek to call yourself a fan then you deserve all you get.
TRUE RANGERS FANS are like the one who dragged the cop away from the crowd and made sure he was safe, THAT is a TRUE FAN. Not a fat f##kwit shouting the odds at riot police then comlaining because they get a kicking. DEAL WITH A FACT, NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IF YOU GO AHEAD WITH RIOT POLICE YOU ARE GETTING THE SECOND PRIZE!!!! The fact that this escaped the f@nnies who have ruined the reputation OUR TRUE SUPPORTERS have built this season sums up their level of functioning.
ALL REAL FANS IF YOU KNOW THEM, NAME THEM AND SHAME THEM, DO NOT TAKE MATTERS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS AS THAT IS THEIR LEVEL> DO IT RIGHT AND WITH PRIDE.
There is a battle to be won and the decent fans WILL win it.
68

Magnet,

16/05/2008 15:32:48
63
You are just anti-Rangers and would look at it differently if it were a Scotland game or a Rock concert ! If you learn tae reason then maybe you will some day be able tae form a proper debate !
69

Venachar,

16/05/2008 15:33:21
The city of Manchester did not appear to want Rangers fans to attend.

If there is a serious call to find out what went wrong then the organisation of last years final and this years should be compared.

I am not blaming anyone but it would seem to me that the lack of foresight by Manchester City Council and the Police has hepled to undo a lot of work done by Rangers over the last few years.
The fan zones seemed a last minute affair, the booze ban was recinded and not to expect a very large crowd to turn up for a British side seems very stupid even idiotic.
The people who caused the problems are defintely not "The Peepol" and should be treated the way they deserve.
I do hope that the supporters of Manchester United and Chelsea behave in Moscow. Perhaps if there is a stabbing or 42 people are arrested Mr Brown will also give us all the benefit of his opinion.
Thes guys have just destroyed the chance of ever getting alcohol back into football grounds which is sad because 99.96% of people who did go down to Manchester did behave themselves. Well done morons you've just screwed Rangers reputation and Scotlands reputation throughout Europe.
70

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 15:37:27
Was it you that was bitten by the dog Magnet?

I'm not anti-Rangers. I'm pro- common sense though. You trying to blame the authorities/Police/Council/a dog, basically anyone but those idiots that chose to start trouble is ridiculous.

Take a note from the Rangers fan at #67... maybe he will identify you in amongst the crowds, as it seems to me that the only people who are trying to blame everyone but the correct people are those that condone this behaviour.

71

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 15:40:14
#69- Manchester Council had contingency plans in place but the Rangers fans behaviour prevented these being put into place.

I feel sorry for the Man U fans who now cannot watch their Champions League final in their own city because of Rangers fans.
72

GGTTH#1,

16/05/2008 15:46:14
Speaking to my mates who it has to be said are not regulars at Rangers games and like many on Wednesday went down for the "one off" experience. Anyway, the stories I have been hearing regarding the supposed carnival atmosphere was that throughout the day from 9am onwards the streets were filled with folk singing various secterian songs and not just the minority.
73

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 15:49:49
BBC showed footage on the 6 o clcck news that JUST cut off before certain lines were sang of 'The Billy Boys'. There were at least 3 groups that they showed all singing it and that was recorded at 4 o clock.
74

GGTTH#1,

16/05/2008 15:50:10
I really dont think it is fair to blame the Manchester Council! I am fairly certain that if it had been a Fiorentina v Zenit final then it would have been a fantastic spectacle on and off the park. Maybe even the Manchester United game would have been on still next week as well (more people that rangers have spoiled it for)

I certainly wouldnt have blamed the Manc council if they turned around and told fans with no tickets to stay away.
75

GGTTH#1,

16/05/2008 15:50:48
73 is that the ones that all had the red hand flags waving in the background? Think I saw it too.
76

GGTTH#1,

16/05/2008 15:53:44
Magnet, how ironic you should say in post 68 "if you learn to reason...." if only your fellow supporters were able to follow your advice. Away you go back to your daily record.
77

Eckles,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 15:54:37
Yeh, there was also a classy woman (in the loosest sense of the word) parading about in front of a pub.
78

Bemused and above it all,

16/05/2008 16:06:11
#74
Where as I shar your anger and disguist can I please point out that ALL TRUE rangers fans are sick of being tarred by the f#ckwits brush, this has brought matters to a head.
Why do you think the club have carefully controlled all the away games this year? They had no control here, as such the f##kwits and rejects which can be found attaching themselves to ANY club arrived and it is they who have ruined it. THEY RUINED IT NOT RANGERS, I REPEAT MY CALL, ALL TRUE FANS, NAME AND SHAME THOSE INVOLVED, DO NOT TAKE MATTERS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS, DO IT RIGHT AND WITH PRIDE.
DECENT RANGERS FANS WILL WIN THE BATTLE WITH THE REJECTS WHO TARNISH OUR NAME.
79

Magnet,

16/05/2008 16:07:42
76
I can reason ... you can only make up lies as everyone knows that you are Billy no mates ! So there was nothing at all good about Wednesday then .... everything was bad because of Rangers and all of their fans ! Trumpet !
80

Bemused and above it all,

16/05/2008 16:19:26
Magnet,
FFS, the scum who kicked off ARE SCUM, NOTHING can justify how they behaved, I grew up with armed police raiding the house in an area where things got serious when the shooters came out. SCUM ARE SCUM.Real 'HARDMEN' know that when the heavy hitters come in with the dogs you behave and do as you are told, that is because they have a level of intellegence.
They have RUINED the reputation of my club and fellow fans, do not try and plead mitigating circumstances, they are SCUm, pure and simple (possible a very apt word in the circumstances).
ALL DECENT RANGERS FANS, IF YOU KNOW THEM, NAME THEM AND SHAME THEM, DO NOT TAKE MATTERS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS AS THAT IS TEIR WAY, NOT OURS.
Decent rangers fans WILL win this battle, the right way.
81

Teofilio Cubillas,

16/05/2008 16:21:32
#78 It's a bloody shame reading your sensible comments but you're p1ssing in the wind pal. The fact is that time and time again Glasgow Rangers' supporters have demonstrated to both their fellow Scots and fellow Europeans that a significant percentage of their support are vile, moronic, sectarian, f*ckwitted scum who have sullied the reputation of Scottish football. They should be banned from next year's Champion's league for this.
82

City til I die,

Manchester 16/05/2008 16:29:17
#69
90% of Manc football fans (Blue Half of the CITY) had followed the Gers from our armchairs hoping they would get to the final.
We were honoured to stage the final, and couldn't have hoped for having the Gers play the biggest game in history (except for New Years Day) at CoMS - Eastlands

Thousands of Mancunians welcomed you into our CITY and enjoyed your company all day (bit hard to understand you at times)

Lets get the events into context, big screen packs in 20K people let down, going to miss the biggest events in their lives, what happens a few bottles are thrown, couple of scraps break out, seems to me the common decency of 20k and respect due to 20k let down people has been totally underplayed. This could have caused a major situation, could have caused deaths etc...... I applaud the 20k in Piccadily Grdens for the demonstration of order which prevailed.

I also commend the way my City handled this catastrophe and managed to evacuate the Gardens and get the contingency underway, avoiding mass histeria, avoiding putting other Rangers and Mancs at risk by allowing stampedes down to other fan zones.

You cannot excuse the violence, cant condone what happened in Oldham Street, but again the footage being showcased by the media was nothing to do with the big screen, it happenned hours after the game had ended, some disorder was going to result from not winning. Manchester had to be prepared for this and evidently was given that 200k people have all been tarred with same brush........total anarchy could have broken out..... it didn't
99% of us went home pissed up;pissed off; with great memories of the biggest street party in history.

The rest did what they probably do on a smaller scale every weekend night, this time with the protection of the massed Rangers ranks

Their will always be a welcome in my City for all true People, as I know there will be at Ibrox for us Mancs
83

Yo-Yo,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 16:32:10
When I read this, I am very pleased to be able to say (hand on heart)I am not a football fan and never have been. Please don't keep saying it is a minority as thousands is a very large minority.
84

Magnet,

16/05/2008 16:33:43
80
I am not trying tae justify it. I am merely pointing out the cause of it. It is not all one way ! Were you in Manchester on Wednesday ! The lack of organisation by the council was disgraceful. Lack of all facilities was very evident from the off. Lack of toilets, bins and food outlets did not help. I did not see one person lifting any litter .... not one ! Get a grip ! The idiots that fought with the police deserve punishment but look at the big picture !
85

City til I die,

manchester 16/05/2008 16:42:06
1% of 200K = 2 thousand

no way did 2 thousand people resort to rioting.

1% of 200k = a minority
86

rl250 hfc,

16/05/2008 16:46:30
When I was 20 (17 years ago) a group of us took the train to Ibrox to watch a Rangers-Hibs game. Walking through Glasgow after the game there was a bit of trouble in front of us and a police van pulled up and the polis threw us in the back. We were taken to Mitchell St police station and put in cells. The police kept us awake all weekend by singing the sash and other favourites. They took us to court on the Monday morning and told us if we didn’t plead guilty to breach of the peace we would be up for ‘mobbing and rioting’ and would be sent to barlinie for 7 days. Needless to say we just wanted home so took the 50 pound fine. 28 Hibs fans were kept in the cells that weekend. NO Rangers fans were lifted. I was never in trouble before this and haven’t been since.

West coast sectarianism and corruption has been with us for years. Fact.
87

Prof,

16/05/2008 17:06:00
#84 Yes look at the bigger picture. This incident is the latest in a very long line of thuggery by the Rangers supporters. The club used to operate an anti catholic poliy and the supporters are still virulently anti-catholic. The vice chairman of the club had to resign because he was caught singing sectrian songs at a supporters function. Poeple have actually been stabbed and in one case murdered following Ranmgers games. Just try standing outside Ibrox with a Hibs scarf and see whether it is a minority.
88

I still don't believe it !,

16/05/2008 17:11:26
magnet are you saying people should cause mayhem because there's no litter bins? Stop trying to defend the indefensible. And stop that chugging.
89

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 16/05/2008 17:26:37
#18 - and the Hibs/Hearts bunch are not much better

How true, yet the delusions of innocence seem to persist.
I have seen and heard verminous supporters of Heart of Midlothian and I have seen and heard verminous 'supporters' of Hibernian. The link that bonds them is almost certainly a lowish IQ.
90

Magnet,

16/05/2008 17:55:19
82
A great post by a level headed Mancunian. Able tae see it for what it is and put things in perspective without the need for one sided idiotic anti-Rangers garbage ! Take a bow !
88
Your lack of communication skills (unable tae answer a simple question) render you incapable of reason and therefore you don`t count. Run along !
91

Magnet,

16/05/2008 17:59:32
87
Hibs have one of the worst elements of football hooligans in Scotland if not Britain .... so maybe you ought tae get your own house in order before having a go at others. Then again that is typical of the inferiority complex that you lot carry around. If only we saw ourselves the way others see us !
92

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 18:05:29
The Rangers fans are nothing but scum - they have brought great shame on Scotland. UEFA should now ban Rangers from any European game for the next 10 years and fine them millions of pounds. Salmond should hang his head in shame - first of all he used public money to fund this jolly of his - secondly he should be forced to apologise to the English people, whose lives were effected by the Rangers thugs.
93

Magnet,

16/05/2008 18:07:21
92
Do you mean all of them ?
94

Chris,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 18:32:19
Magnet and his many posts: Your #9 post seeks to justify the crowd's reaction to police baton-charging because a few bottles were thrown. I do not suppose the engineers trying to fix the screen were counting, but it successfully prevented them from fixing the screen. You then continue to justify the disorderly fans with a multitude of posts until the post of #82 who states that the real disorder did not occur in Picadilly Gardens, but further away in Oldham Street, two hours after the game had ended. You congratulate the poster, despite the fact that they have effectively destroyed your argument that the police caused the trouble! Please make up your mind.
95

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 18:48:54
Once these thugs are identified by the police, hopefully the newspaper will do us all a favour and publish their name, address, and a photograph, just so us law abiding folk know who to avoid on the streets. It would also be a good idea for employers to sack them for the shame they have brought on Scotland. I knew this would end up in serious disorder - all day the news reporters talked about Rangers fans drinking in hotel bars at 7 in the morning - an absolute disgrace - what a bad image they have given the Scots. Many years ago the English football authorities banned Leeds United from playing home games due to the trouble their supporters caused. I sincerely hope the Scottish football authorities enforce something similar on Rangers - they have brought great shame to Scotland.
96

Phil the Flooter,

16/05/2008 18:56:07
It was being made light of on Fred MacAuleys show this am on Radio Scotland

'The fans were true to type- when the Screen went dead 17,000 Rangers Fans rushed forward with 50 pence pieces'
97

Phil the Flooter,

16/05/2008 19:02:55
Plus other jokey comments.

Not good.
98

Magnet,

16/05/2008 19:10:00
94
I was referring to the start the end and the overview ! Which one do you want me tae make my mind up about you sad anti-Rangers bandwagon jumper ! Maybe one day you will have a team that is capable of reaching a Euro final ! The guy points out that .... not even going to waste my time on a lost cause like you !
99

Magnet,

16/05/2008 19:12:18
95
You would never catch the Tartan army having a liquid breakfast now ... would you ! You sad hypocrite ! I think you may have deeper issues !
100

Magnet,

16/05/2008 19:17:12
94
I was in Manchester and witnessed riot cops on the streets immediately after the match as I was driving home from Piccadilly station !Where exactly were you ? It was not two hours after the game ... but hey don`t let the facts get in the way of a bit of anti-Rangers hype !
101

Magnet,

16/05/2008 19:19:20
95
Are you yet another idiot that is incapable of answering a simple question (93) so that you can continue spouting garbage !
102

Chris,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 19:42:38
Magnet 98, 100: Firstly you assume I am anti-Rangers - not so. So it would appear that you are not as free-thinking as you think you are. Secondly, in post 92 you praise "a level headed Mancunian", yet this poster quite clearly states "You cannot excuse the violence, cant condone what happened in Oldham Street, but again the footage being showcased by the media was nothing to do with the big screen, it happenned hours after the game had ended, some disorder was going to result from not winning." Which completely destroys your assertion, in post #9, that it was a needless baton charge by the police that caused the riot. I suggest that you left your grip of reality somewhere in the vicinity of Picadilly Station. But, reading your posts again, I do no