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Chris Hoy: Scottish team in Olympics would be 'ridiculous'



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Published Date: 25 August 2008
ALEX Salmond's hopes of creating a Scottish Olympic team suffered a major setback yesterday when the triple gold medallist Chris Hoy derided the plan as "ridiculous".
The Edinburgh cyclist, who carried the flag for Team GB at the closing ceremony in Beijing, reacted angrily to remarks from Stewart Maxwell, the sports minister, who said "a Scottish team at the Olympics is the future". Scotland's greatest-ever Olympian said he wouldn't have "three gold medals hanging round my neck" if he had not been part of Team GB.

Hoy's comments came amid another row over the idea of a British football team taking part in the 2012 London Games. Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, said he supported the concept, but it is bitterly opposed by the SNP government in Edinburgh and the Scottish Football Association.

The intervention of someone of Hoy's standing in the debate about Scotland's future in the Olympics is a serious blow to Mr Salmond's drive to create a separate Scottish team.

Last week, the First Minister's spokesman said a Scottish team would allow more Scots to compete at the highest level.

Yesterday, Mr Maxwell said: "Look at Jamaica, a small island nation. They won gold, silver and bronze in the women's sprint, they've got world records, they've won the men's, the women's 100 and 200 metres and the relay. This is an exceptionally brilliant nation – at the same time a small nation.

"Scotland can compete on the world stage – we proved that in the Olympics – and a Scottish team at the Olympics is the future."

Asked what he would say to those who would rather see Scotland's athletes play a big role in Team GB, he said: "What I would say to them is, do Irish athletes want to rejoin the UK and be part of the UK team? Do we want to get rid of the GB team and have a European team because a European team would sweep the board? You have to think about whether or not it's appropriate in the level you represent your own country in. I think it's quite right you represent your own country."

When he asked about those comments in Beijing yesterday, Hoy said: "Before anything like that could be discussed, he'd have to look at the facilities and resources in Scotland. At the moment, we don't have an international facility for cycling. We don't have the coaching or anything else in place.

"For him to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team. I'm a Scottish athlete in a British team, and I'm proud to be a British athlete.

"The government would have to invest serious money in sport before they could start thinking of having their own team in the Olympics."

Hoy is based in Manchester, home of the National Cycling Centre, which has one of only two indoor velodromes in the UK. He is part of a British team funded to the tune of £5.5 million a year. As he pointed out, he also won one of his gold medals as part of a team, together with Englishmen Jamie Staff and Jason Kenny.

He said: "There's nothing I love more than going home to Edinburgh, but I haven't lived in Scotland for nine years. There just aren't the facilities to train there – if there were, then I would live there. But like Craig MacLean and Ross Edgar – who are the other Scottish cyclists on the British team – I have to be based in Manchester."

Simon Clegg, chief executive of the British Olympic Association, attacked Mr Maxwell for raising the issue of a Scottish team again. "This is nothing to do with sport, everything to do with politics," he said. "Only independent nations, as recognised by the international community, can have national Olympic committee status bestowed on them."

He pointed out Scotland would actually have lost two medals – Hoy's from the team sprint and Katherine Grainger's team rowing one – had the country been on its own, because those athletes would not have been competing with their British colleagues.

Frank McAveety, Scottish Labour's sports spokesman, also condemned Mr Maxwell's remarks. He said: "I'm absolutely passionate about Scotland and I want Scotland to do well, but I'm also exceptionally proud of Team GB's performance in the Olympics. I don't see why I should be asked to make a choice between those two."

Hoy's father, David, has spoken out against Scotland going it alone,

and Sir Craig Reedie, the Scot who used to chair the British Olympic Association, said: "Why would Chris Hoy want to leave the best cycling team in the world?"

The proposal has already received a lukewarm response from Scotland's sporting community. A Performance Sports Summit, chaired by Mr Maxwell in Stirling last August, included the Olympic proposal as item two on the agenda. With many of Scotland's sporting governing bodies present, the item received – according to one delegate – "short shrift".

Meadowbank's velodrome, where Hoy learned the skills he used to such devastating effect in Beijing, is still in operation, but is described as being "badly out of date" and is earmarked for demolition. Scotland's only other velodrome, in Dundee, is in an even worse state.

Marco Librizzi, a former team-mate of Hoy, has said that getting rid of the Meadowbank velodrome before a new one opens in Glasgow would kill the chances of having any Scottish cyclists at the Commonwealth Games in 2014. In the light of Hoy's Beijing success, Mr Salmond said Holyrood would look again at the case for improved cycling facilities.

Cycling is not the only sport to suffer from limited facilities in Scotland. Swimming also suffers at elite level due to a lack of dedicated 50-metre pools.

Fun, fun, fun is the theme for 2012 as Boris declares 'sport is coming home'

LONDON will build on the success of Beijing to host "the best Olympic Games ever", Gordon Brown promised yesterday, as the reins of the world's greatest sporting event were officially handed over to the capital.

The Prime Minister said the medal haul of Britain's athletes, who will arrive home today on a special BA Boeing 747 with a "golden" nose, has "captured the imagination of our country".

And in a resolute defence of a united British team, he added: "We can say with one patriot voice, it is a great time to be British."

Speaking at London House in Beijing alongside Mr Brown, Boris Johnson, the mayor of London, made clear that Britain had given the world a great many of the Olympic sports, even pointing out to his Chinese hosts that "ping-pong" has its roots in Victorian England, where it emerged as an after-dinner amusement.

Back in London, thousands of revellers gathered outside Buckingham Palace as part of the celebrations marking the handover of the Olympics from Beijing to London.

As the closing ceremony began in China, a flag-waving crowd some 40,000 strong thronged into the Mall ahead of performances by acts including McFly, Will Young, Katherine Jenkins and the cast of the Queen musical We Will Rock You.

Olympians including Michael Phelps, British medal heroes Bradley Wiggins and Phillips Idowu, and former stars Sharron Davies, Sally Gunnell and Roger Black took part in the event.

Big screens linked up to the ceremony in Beijing where London staged an eight-minute, £2.5 million performance to mark the hand over.

As Jimmy Page, Leona Lewis, and David Beckham took centre stage in Beijing, the organisers of 2012 suggested their aim was to hold a fun Games.

Mr Johnson, who received the Olympic flag, said at the ceremony: "We will draw on our wit, flair, imagination and ingenuity to build on what we've all witnessed in Beijing and deliver a fantabulous Olympics in what I consider to be not only my home, but the home of sport. Sport is coming home."

Wiggins, who won two golds in Beijing, said: "When I left (Britain] it was all 'recession, recession, recession' and we've come back to a country overwhelmed by Olympic success."

Scotland's biggest city joined in the celebrations, as about 2,000 people gathered to watch the handover broadcast live on a giant screen in Glasgow's George Square and see the 2012 flag raised over the City Chambers.

Glasgow, which is hosting the 2014 Commonwealth Games, will be the venue for some football matches at the 2012 Games and is an official Olympic City.

In London, hundreds of people were shut out of the event, despite having tickets.

Mari Hamilton, from Aylesbury, said: "If they can't fit 40,000 people in why did they issue that many tickets?"

There were also technical problems with some of the big screens, meaning the picture was lost for parts of the closing ceremony in Beijing.

In Cumbria, legendary mountaineer Sir Chris Bonnington scaled England's highest mountain, Scafell Pike to unfurl one of the London 2012 flags.

Brown wants all-Britain football team with Sir Alex at the helm

MANCHESTER United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has been approached to manage an all-Britain football team at the 2012 Olympics in London, Gordon Brown said last night, a move which some argue threatens the future of the Scottish national side.

The Prime Minister is determined to see a British team in both the men's and the women's football tournaments when the Games come to the UK. But Scotland's First Minister, Alex Salmond, yesterday attacked Mr Brown's support for a single side.

He said: "This is not a popular idea. Not only do all the national supporters' associations oppose this, but the majority of football associations in the UK have said they do not want to take part in a single UK team."

Cathy Jamieson, one of the Scottish Labour leadership candidates, also said it would be wrong to gamble with the future of the country's football for the sake of a single British Olympic team.

Ms Jamieson said: "Scotland has a long international footballing tradition and I would not do anything to jeopardise that. Team GB should include a football team, but not at the expense of Scotland's football team. It would be wrong to gamble with the identity of Scotland's football team."

Previously, Britain has been prevented from entering because the four home countries compete separately in other international matches.

Mr Brown has been holding talks with Fifa president Sepp Blatter in an attempt to ensure that the right of the autonomy of the home nations is protected if there is a British Olympic team.

Mr Brown said: "We will see who wants to be part of this and then we will get a manager that everybody will be happy with. And I know Alex Ferguson has been approached by Seb Coe, and I have spoken to him about it."

He said the veteran manager had yet to be formally approached for the job and it was "up to him to decide".

Mr Brown said he hoped the lure of a final in London would encourage the individual football associations to overcome their reservations about entering a joint Olympic side.

GAVIN CORDON

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  • Last Updated: 24 August 2008 11:09 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Chris Hoy , 2008 Olympics
 
1

Stefan Mack,

Elgin 25/08/2008 00:10:44
i tell you what's "ridiculous". the idea that scotland CAN'T compete on the world stage. just because team GB suited my Hoy he ridicules the idea. he should spare a thought for the contless scotish athletes refused entry to the olympics because they failed to make the team GB grading.

he was fortunate to benefit from that arrangements, others were left out.

some advice for you chris hoy: it isnt just about facilities, its about passion and pride. look at how the eastern europeans dominate tennis and they have some of the worst fascilities in europe.

2

subrosa,

25/08/2008 00:12:13
Another 'ye cannae dae that' article. Pity so many Scots people connected with sport can't see things in a more positive light. My interpretation is that Alex Salmond wants Scotland to have a team because it would encourage more top class sports men and women. What's wrong with that?
3

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

25/08/2008 00:14:40
".....I haven't lived in Scotland for nine years. There just aren't the facilities to train there – if there were, then I would live there....."

A damming indication of the last executive and the so-called elite training offered by Sports Scotland......

4

Macd123,

25/08/2008 00:16:20
I support the SNP, but would far rather they came up with a strategy to improve PE in schools and rebuild our facilities, instead of this kind of thing.

5

druidh,

edinburgh 25/08/2008 00:16:40
When Scotland becomes independent, there'll be no choice!
6

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

25/08/2008 00:17:35


The North Britishman's cringe get's more acute by the day.


7

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25/08/2008 00:17:59
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Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 00:18:16
Hmm. This is the Scotsman.

What did he actually say?
9

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

25/08/2008 00:18:16
4 Macd123, 25/08/2008 00:16:20

I would tend to agree Macd, less talk more action.

Let's just get on with it.



10

Stefan Mack,

Elgin 25/08/2008 00:20:31
i gather chris hoy won't be in the commonwealth games then, competing for scotland?

what would be the point...a ridiculous idea everyone!
11

monkey man,

25/08/2008 00:27:25
Well said, Chris.! The wee Bravehearts will now be choking on their stovies. lol Scotland is only a minor region of the nation, North Britain, so get over any mad ideas of entering the Olympics.
12

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25/08/2008 00:27:48
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13

Jwil,

25/08/2008 00:28:57
"When he asked about those comments in Beijing yesterday, Hoy said: "Before anything like that could be discussed, he'd have to look at the facilities and resources in Scotland. At the moment, we don't have an international facility for cycling. We don't have the coaching or anything else in place.

"For him to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous. I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team. I'm a Scottish athlete in a British team, and I'm proud to be a British athlete.

"The government would have to invest serious money in sport before they could start thinking of having their own team in the Olympics."



Hoy, hasn't dismissed having a Scottish team out of hand. He is complaining about the lack of suitable facilities in Scotland. Well I think everyone would agree with that! So where does the blame lie? Who has been in power for 10 years? LABOUR. Another Union deficit.
14

Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 00:30:11
14
I know. Try posting the U.
15

Jwil,

25/08/2008 00:30:47
Labour have just followed their favourite political agenda of keeping Scots and Scotland down.
16

FrancesP,

25/08/2008 00:30:57
"Simon Clegg, chief executive of the British Olympic Association, attacked Mr Maxwell for raising the issue of a Scottish team again. 'This is nothing to do with sport, everything to do with politics,' he said. 'Only independent nations, as recognised by the international community, can have national Olympic committee status bestowed on them.' "

Perhaps Mr Clegg could explain why the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China has just taken part in the Olympics? Not to mention Taiwan, the US Virgin Islands, the British Virgin Islands, the Dutch Antilles and countless others. And, Mr Clegg, I can hardly think of anything more 'political' than a jumped-up sports administrator intervening on one side of a debate between two governments. Let me get this straight - the Scottish Government's desire for an Olympic team is 'political', but Gordon Brown's desire for a GB football team is all about 'the best interests of the athletes'? He must think people in Scotland were born yesterday. Clegg and Reedie's British nationalist political agenda is so blatant I'm almost embarrassed for them.
17

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 25/08/2008 00:36:16
So the propaganda begins!

Pity we hadn't been able to keep Scotlands good causes Lotto money, we might have been able put some of it towards sports faciities.
18

Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 00:38:10
19
Shall I spell it out for you?

I want a Scots Republic.

Thats it.
19

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 00:38:23


Chris Hoy spoke the truth!, like it or lump it!

If we stop accepting the, 'Madhouse' some are trying and succeeding to make Scotland as it is becoming, then and only then, we may have a viable Scottish Olympic team.
20

Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 00:40:55
20
Hey ochone, how have you been?
21

Col. Blimp­IV*,

25/08/2008 00:41:12
1
Stefan Mack,
Elgin

Before condemning Hoy out of hand, it is important to note that it is "The Jocklander" that is transmitting his views to us and they are not above Jumbling words and making edited quotes to get the customary Britain good -Scotland bad Headline.

Having said that, Chris Hoy is a dedicated Sportsman in a very competitive sector and to achieve his goals he has to be totally focused on his needs to the exclusion of practically everything else, when they made Eric Liddell they broke the mould.

He has only a short time at the top, therefore the facilities and structures that exist NOW are what matters to HIM and if they are in England, USA or the Moon rather than in his own country, that is where he will go.

It is up to us to change things for the better in Scotland, perhaps now he has his English Gold, Chris might find the time to lend a hand.
22

Traquir , Alba,

25/08/2008 00:46:51
Of the 191 countries competing in the Beijing
Olympics (see - tinyurl.com/6n9g5j )
almost half are around the size of Scotland
or much less (see - tinyurl.com/5kg7jb ).
Also interestingly most of these "small countries"
(and fact some are not even recognized as countries)
are poorer than Scotland but manage to finance
and have pride in their own country competing
under their own flag and anthem.

Going by Chris Hoy's comments we should end
up with some elitist organization where
only the biggest and supposedly the best
compete. Doesn't quite sound to be in the Olympic
spirit at all where the honor should be to compete
for ones own country rather than winning being
the end all. With Scotland having her own
Olympic team many more Scots would have the
opportunity to compete and represent Scotland
under our own flag and our own anthem.

Having a situation where few of our sportsmen
get the opportunity to represent their
own country and those that do have to live & train
in England the situation is simply disgraceful.
Naturally the £14 billion "investment"
in the London Olympics will buy a few more
gold medals, but at what cost to Scotland ?

see - tinyurl.com/6p43bv


23

Castaway,

25/08/2008 00:49:00
Simon Clegg "Only independent nations, as recognised by the international community, can have national Olympic committee status bestowed on them."
The following are not independent nations but are members of the IOC.
Tawian (China)
Palestinian territories.
American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, and United States Virgin Islands (USA)
Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, and Cayman Islands (UK)
Aruba and Netherlands Antilles(Netherlands)
Hong Kong (China)
Cook Islands(New Zealand).
Although most NOCs (National Olympic Committees) are from nations, the IOC also recognises independent territories, commonwealths, protectorates and geographical areas.
24

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 25/08/2008 00:49:50
Chris is only stating the obvious. Scotland has been shortchanged royally for being part of the enforced English "union" over the decades.
Forget a velodrome, Scotland doesn't even have a nartional football stadium. Or a quality indoor arena. (The new Glasgow facility is a joke and the two Murrayfields are dumps by modern standards.)
Hoy's comments, as usual, have been torqued out of context.
The key quote is: "there's nothing I love more than going back to Scotland."
Many of the Jamacian runners are US-based too.
If Scotland had control of our natural resource revenues we could build some fine legacy facilities to celebrate our national identity and purpose.
But when London is calling the shots and there's a traitor like Broon temporarily in charge, I can feel Chris Hoy's pain.
And it won't go away until Scotland becomes a nation again.
25

Fifi la Bonbon,

25/08/2008 00:50:22
This memo was inadvertently dropped by a young cadre and passed to unreliable elements in the traitorous British media -

...The leadership is deeply disappointed at the unpatriotic attitudes shown by these rootless cosmopolitans, many of who have been living inside enemy territory and fraternising with unreliable elements. Clearly these young deviant athletes need to be instilled with the proper tenets of Salmondist-Sturgeonist thought. Incorrect ideas must be purged from their minds and replaced with Caledoniacally approved principles and ideas. Camps must be established in the Highlands, staffed with the best programmers money can buy. Perhaps Comrade Osama Saeed can suggest suitable individuals, using his apparently wide contacts in the Muslim Brotherhood and the various Hizbollahs throughout the world. The families of the individuals concerned can also be enlisted to assist them to reach the correct conclusions, with accommodation at the planned "Braveheart" work-experience camps....
26

Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 00:52:29
22
Charles.

Er...what were you trying to say?
27

Resolutions,

25/08/2008 00:52:30
Usual hysterical reaction to hysterical headline - anything to knock a country down.

Was it really wise to ask this question before the team get home and see for themselves.

Scotland could have superb training facilities for all the population if we had control of our own cash.

Under this no wee country should be there at all - how eletist is that? And many athletes train in other countries, but still represent their own at big events.
28

Jock MacSprog,

25/08/2008 00:54:36
well done Chris ! you have shown you are a true man of quality by not letting yourself and your accomplishments be used by fat Nat politicians for their own deluded purposes.
29

Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 00:55:37
27
I had an art teacher like that.
Mam'selle Titsaud where are you now...
30

Willie Macleod,

Wick 25/08/2008 00:55:55
#21 Morning Conan

Back online yesterday having had computer problems.
New power unit and main circuit board replaced.

Your support for Public Sector workers and unions against the attacks made by Soup Kitchen and others was much appreciated by me and I am sure others
31

Col. Blimp­IV*,

25/08/2008 00:56:02
#7
Charles Linskaill and Chris Hoy - you both said(allegedly):

'Of Course', a "Scottish team in Olympics would be 'ridiculous'!

Please name for us , one other country where a native has made a similar remark?

And if you fail; as a supplementary question - Why do you think that you were unable to find an example?
32

JG,

Fife 25/08/2008 00:58:51
So where we would get the money to provide quality velodromes, swimming pools, top quality athletics tracks etc. and all of the equipment? Not to mention paying for all of the class trainers, physios and support staff. The point is; WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!!

While Jamaica did do extremely well in the athletics, that was where they won ALL of their medals.
33

Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 01:00:32
34
Thank you Willie.

How are you?
34

Lianachan,

Highlands 25/08/2008 01:01:21
Hmm - a GB football team is "bitterly opposed by the SNP government in Edinburgh and the Scottish Football Association", the Scotsman quite correctly reports.

"as well as practically the entire population of Scotland" is something they neglected to add.
35

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 25/08/2008 01:01:21
#36

It's the oil, stupid.
36

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 01:03:01

Conan the Librarian ~30,

Scotland has not a chance in hell of an Olympic Team, Chris Hoy spoke the utter truth!

Our Heads are too full of nonsense, to have any product, team, etc, to be produced or developed in Scotland.

We are more interested in producing, 'litter wardens' and the likes, we live in what is becoming a 'loony bin'.

The only team we can put forward if we don't watch out is the,...

...'Laughing Stock' of the World!
37

JG,

Fife 25/08/2008 01:03:14
#39 Neil
No, we're not going to GET money from the oil, stupid!!
38

somerferg,

perth 25/08/2008 01:05:53
Well who would have thought the Hootsman could come up with a headline like this??
39

Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 01:07:50
40
That would be nice, but the English would not even look at it.

Yet.
40

somerferg,

perth 25/08/2008 01:08:36

Oh and #41 - the only laughing stock we are in any danger of becoming is if other small independent nations read your comments unless of course they were said with your tongue firmly in your cheek? Very difficult to tell with your comments because they are always so 'other worldly'.
41

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 25/08/2008 01:08:37
#42

Clearly we won't get the money with a lay-down-and-dream-of-England attitude like yours.
Here's the simple Scotsmath:

Independence=North Sea oil revenues=sports and cultural facilities coming out of Scotland's ying yang.

Glad to be of service.

42

Col. Blimp­IV*,

25/08/2008 01:09:10
#40
Ford Transit ©

If you were David Banks - #42's detritus would be an ideal choice for the closing statement.
43

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 25/08/2008 01:11:17
No need for any other comments on this subject is there.

Probably three negative anti Scottish views by Unionists and forty Scottish Patriots standing up for THEIR NATION.

Let the Unionist losers get on with their ANTI SCOTTISH RANTS. We know we are as good as anyone else in the world. The Unionist Media prove it everyday.
44

Col. Blimp­IV*,

25/08/2008 01:11:58

Charles Linskaill

fast forward to #35..............>>>>>>>>>>>?
45

JG,

Fife 25/08/2008 01:12:15
#46 Neil
I'm not 'dreaming of England', I'm telling the reality. I'm every bit as Scottish as YOU are but my head isn't full of romantic nonsense!
46

Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 01:14:09
41
Charles.
Scotland does not have a chance of an Olympic team?

Ah.

Like Ireland or Jamaica then?
47

Willie Macleod,

Wick 25/08/2008 01:14:54
#37 Conan Things are just fine thanks Conan.

Having a glass of Whisky and catching up with things on here.

No Computer for ten days I could not believe how much I missed not having it.
48

Col. Blimp­IV*,

25/08/2008 01:17:49
#50
JG,
Fife

If you were to look under Neil's Kilt, you would find that he is wearing balls...I suspect that your union Jack underpants are to disguise the fact that you are not.
49

JG,

Fife 25/08/2008 01:20:58
#54 Col. BlimpV
God, I'm sick of saying this - I'M NOT AN 'IST' OF ANY KIND. I DON'T LIKE ANY POLITICIANS. I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY - INCLUDING SALMOND.

There would also be a good reason why I wouldn't have balls under my 'kilt'.
50

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/08/2008 01:23:57
41:

Seem to put out a decent footie and rugby team. Seem to remember little Scotland doing quite well at the commonwealth games in swimming..unionist cringe again.

Seems that every country competes to compete..have not heard the New Zealanders complian. No-one laughs at medals tables!
51

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 25/08/2008 01:24:46
#50

You get a gilt edged opportunity to flash your Scottishness in the Fife by-election by voting SNP. You are voting.

#54
Easy on my kilt Colonel. Unfortunately it shrank a little hanging in the closet. Darn I hate when that happens.
Nothing worn under it, though, I'm happy to report all still in good working order.
52

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/08/2008 01:25:24
Hoy is what he is a great cyclist...not a politicial so stick at the cycling. Notice he did say that if money was invested then it could be looked at.

Scots have to train in England as there are no facilities in Scotland..disgracefully!
53

troonjambo,

Troon of course 25/08/2008 01:28:00
Well, well, well!

The word "ridiculous" is the ONLY part of the headline which is a quote from Mr Hoy. How sad that so many of the Scotsman's readers would automatically assume, just because the Scotsman's headline implies so, that Chris Hoy actually said that the idea is ridiculous. If you bother to read the article you will find that he said that it would be "ridiculous" to call for a Scottish team "at this stage".

The Scotsman newspaper's employees wouldn't have the balls to ask him what his opinion would be in the event that Scotland actually did have suitable facilities for him to train at. They might not like the idea of having to print his answer if it didn't suit their purpose!

It's not the "Nationalists" politics we need to be concerned about - it's the media's (not only the Scotsman's, by the way) aims and politics we need to be wary of.
54

JG,

Fife 25/08/2008 01:28:10
#58 Neil
Being Scottish doesn't mean I would have to vote SNP. The by-election isn't in my bit of Fife!
55

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 01:31:53

Col. Blimp­IV* ~49,

No other Country has become like ours, in the one hand, pretending not to be oppressor's, and in the other hand, destroying its very roots, so your question is invalid.

JG ~50,

Agree! "romantic nonsense" it is!

Any wealth we have in Scotland, is spent on utter nonsense, ones that are burying Scotland, into its grave of, one of stupitity.
56

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 25/08/2008 01:32:45
#61

So you're temporararily off the hook, then.
You can run but you can't hide. Eventually there will be a general election.
57

Willie Macleod,

Wick 25/08/2008 01:35:17
#57 Anton Four in a row Conan, Willie, Blimp and Ford

Please tell us why you think that is fabulous?
58

JG,

Fife 25/08/2008 01:36:17
#64 Neil
What am I running and hiding from? I like to see what's on offer and make up my own mind. Anyway (back on topic) what does Salmond know about sport - unless it's the national pie eating championships!
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Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 01:40:28
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I'm glad you enjoyed it.

What next?
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Robbie 2,

New Zealand 25/08/2008 01:40:40
7 Charles Linskaill,
'Of Course', a "Scottish team in Olympics would be 'ridiculous'!"
Quite right Charles - small nations with populations under six million, like New Zealand (9 medals - three gold) Norway (10 medals - three gold) Jamaica (11 medals - six gold) Slovakia (6 medals - three gold) are ridiculous aspiring to compete with the big rich countries. They should send their potential medal hopes away to increase their tally and position on the medal table - which is what the Olympics is all about (Unlike the rest of the World in the US they head the table with highest medal count).
The thrill that the smaller nations get Charles doing it themselves (and of course making a per population table is as great if not greater than being part of a larger entity in which it’s identity is lost.
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TommyKaye,

UK 25/08/2008 01:41:27
Hi Chris hope you sang this verse of the national anthem-

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!

Rebellious Scots oh dar not very pc is it however thats you Chris by the way.
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John Muir,

Botany Bay 25/08/2008 01:41:39
I’ve got an idea that will address the chronic lack of sports facilities in Scotland.

Let’s start a British national lottery, with the idea to invest the funds raised back into the communities that paid for the tickets. It could be used to build sports facilities all over Scotland, so that we can build all the velodromes and stadiums we need to train Scottish athletes, without sending them south to find better facilities.

What’s that? It’s already been done?

And our portion of the funds was stolen for the London Olympics?

What the….?


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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 25/08/2008 01:41:40
#66

I see Lex more a fish supper man myself "(extra sauce, please")
Soon or later you will have to decide if your are Scottish or that bastardizied and contrived concept caled "British". A cynical term designed to rob Scotland of it's natural resources and corrupt our culture and national heritage,
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Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 01:42:33
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Beat me to it Willie.
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Robbie 2,

25/08/2008 01:43:27
41 Charles Linskaill,
The only team we can put forward if we don't watch out is the,......'Laughing Stock' of the World!
Problem there Charles is the World is rather unsure of Scotland an looks as the British team as simply England. They can’t laugh at something they’re unaware of/
Even here in NZ with a large Scottish ethnic base - Britain is England and the Union Flag considered the English flag.
It’s not a subject that I would bother arguing about with the likes of Gordon Brown but it is a fact.
A Scottish team would give more chance and an obtainable goal for more young Scottish athletes. It is not just about winning but participating.
#66JG,Fife
what does Salmond know about sport - unless it's the national pie eating championships!
What does Chris Hoy know of politics? Maybe a lot but why do Scottish papers always seem to quote political sports people or actors political views (which of course they have the right to have). They’re entertainers not political pundits.
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TommyKaye,

UK 25/08/2008 01:46:34
Alan Wells won a 100 metre gold medal and a 200 metre silver while still employed at Brown Brothers as an engineer or something like that he never complained just got on with it.

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 25/08/2008 01:47:11
#72 Conan I think Anton is Ford
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

25/08/2008 01:49:56
#55
JG

I apologize for my erroneous assumptions, it is a common knee jerk reaction among, for want of a better word "Nationalists" to see those who advocate control of our country to remain in the hands of our neighbours to be pursuing some warped Unionist agenda motivated by either real or imagined self-interest.

I had forgotten that we live in a land where pro-union conditioning and brainwashing is endemic and those who are victims of it are as entitled to voice their opinion as anyone else.

You are also entitled to challenge those opinions in fact I recommend that you do...

...You are not inferior...this land is not cursed...The English were not chosen by God to rule over us...If things here are bad, it does not necessarily follow that they would be far worse if we were self governing....etc etc ad infinitum.
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Conan the Librarian™,

25/08/2008 01:49:59
76
Willie, got work tomorrow.Goodnight.
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JG,

Fife 25/08/2008 01:51:06
#71 Neil
Whether or not I agree with the SNP doesn't make me any less Scottish than you are. I suppose at least you haven't started threatening me yet, because I might disagree with the gospel according to the SNP manifesto as some other of your cohorts have (and I actually haven't declared an affinity to ANY party because I haven't got one!!).
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 25/08/2008 01:53:09
#78 Cheers Conan catch up with you later
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JG,

Fife 25/08/2008 01:55:46
#77 Col. BlimpV
I know I'm not inferior!! And I'm not brainwashed at all. I'm quite capable of reading things and making up my own mind. Are you sure it isn't YOU who has been brainwashed
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macdonaj,

Aberdeen Scotland 25/08/2008 02:02:09
Here we go again "bought and sold for English gold ''olympic ''.
It is not just a matter of winning gold it is the honour of representing your country that counts. Perhaps some Scots would rather represent the highest
bidder.Scotland should move on without those so inclined.






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hotstud,

london 25/08/2008 02:11:12
I suppose it could work. Might make for a more colourful Games. We could have Team Galicia from Spain, Team Bavaria from Germany, Team California from USA (beach volleyball gold would be assured) Team Lombardy from Italy, Team Saskatchewan from Canada (if that would fit on a vest), and of course all the 56 ethnic groups of China (in the interests of fairness). Yeah, I like it.
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

25/08/2008 02:16:56
#81
JG

The thing about brainwashing is those who are subject to it from birth do not realise that that their opinions are not THEIR opinions.

If you do not believe what I just said, stop and ponder religion...There is NO rationality about it whatever, yet countless millions believe and as many again pretend to believe in order to be accepted as normal.

What do they BELIEVE?

Loads of contradictory and irrational Nonsense, with no evidence that there is any truth in it...only FAITH.

What is FAITH?

To believe in something without having seen any evidence suggesting that it might be fact.

If you or I were to claim that an invisible man spoke to us and told us what was to happen in the future...we would be carted off to the funny farm...yet we permit people who claim to believe that guff actually happened, to real historical figures run our country and declare wars in our name.

Brainwashing is endemic...to believe that is not an act of faith.

I believe I said believe...far to many times.

believe me!
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

25/08/2008 02:21:41
#83
Anton

I think if you phoned the party HQ's at this time of night...you would get an answering machine,

I'm only here to sweep the floors and empty the bins.
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hotstud,

london 25/08/2008 02:25:29
Californians for Independence! That volleyball gold is ours! OURS!!! Simply enter the text 'Californians for Independence' into your web browser to find out more about us. Please... help in any way that you can. Thank You!
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Canadian Jambo,

25/08/2008 02:36:06
An honest question- how many Scottish athletes (other than Hoy) won medals?
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John Muir,

Botany Bay 25/08/2008 02:38:57
Totally agree, Robbie 2.

"Britain is England and the Union Flag considered the English flag."

Tired of explaining to foreigners what the flag really means and who we are. Looking forward to the day I won't have to any more.

Can't wait to see a Scottish flag at the Olympics and the UN.
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John Muir,

Botany Bay 25/08/2008 02:42:18
How much did the British Government swipe from Scotland's lottery money for the Olympics again?

£150 million, wasn’t it?

How many velodromes would that build?
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Guga II,

Rockall 25/08/2008 02:48:26
The trouble with all these professional athletes is that it is all about money, not national pride.

Obviously some of them think that they wont get on the money train if they compete as a Scottish team, and they'd rather sell their own country down the river for the sake of cold, hard cash.

A Scottish team may not win many medals, at first, but the athletes would have the pride of competing for their own country, not for the colonial power.

There are still too many people in Scotland that are bought and sold for English gold, sic a parcel of rogues in a nation.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 25/08/2008 02:50:12
#88 Col. I hope you tidy up my desk sorry I left in such a state.

Can you believe what Anton thinks we are all in the employ of The Scotsman What is going on in his head?

"Never Wrestle With A Chimney Sweep"

Willie
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Saltire,

Thailand 25/08/2008 02:50:24
Of course there should be a team representing Britain in football at the London Olympics.
But the emphasis is on "a team representing Britain" and that can be achieved by having a Home Nations type championship where the winner represents GB.
That way we maintain our national football integrity while still having a representative to cheer on at the Olympics
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 25/08/2008 03:16:21
#95. Well, not quite. The current legislation on the Olympic football tournament requires an under-23 side with one or two over-age players allowed. It is therefore not neccessary for competition, all the home nations have talented young players from which a good team could be derived.

However, the spectre of political pressure from those who (probably quite rightly) don't see why the UK should have 4 teams in the qualifying for the World Cup and European Championships means that it is not worth the risk to the SFA. If the English FA takes a different view and allows it's players to be in "GB Olympic" for 2012, then good luck to them.
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Castaway,

25/08/2008 03:18:39
There are some athletes who compete in the Olympics and they are trained and coached fulltime outside of the country where they were born and raised.
Apart from athletics these include those who play basketball and football etc they don't represent the country they are living and training in but represent their own country at the Olympics.
Scotland may not win many medals but it is being at the Olympics representing their own country which gives the athletes and a nation a sense of pride.
After the 2008 Summer Olympic Games there are 79 nations who have never won any Olympic medals either at the Summer or Winter Olympics. I will say that most will never win any kind of Olympic medal in the near future but they will keep sending their athletes to the Olympic Games.
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Team Scotland,

25/08/2008 03:20:26
People who benefit from a particular structure will tend to support it irrespective of the wider picture. If you are on top of the dunghill the last thing you want to see is a farmer with a shovel in his hand. Hoy’s reaction should not be a surprise. He is an athlete not a politician and is not media savvy. He is quite correct about the current facilities and coaching and this would have to be addressed as would the current integration of many Olympic sports at UK/GB level. I can understand the SNP raising the issue but they must realise that a lot of work would have to be done to make this feasible.

Chris Hoy has done extremely well in winning three gold medals, as have the other Scottish athletes but taken as a whole Scotland’s medallists were few in number. If this is a union dividend, it is in the grand scheme of things, loose change. The SNP will have to make a case that a ‘Team Scotland’ could provide as many or more medallists than the average haul over the last few Olympics. This will require a commitment to providing the facilities and level of coaching that would give reasonable hope of a return in terms of Olympic success.

Scotland is a small country and could not spread resources too thinly. There would be no point in spending a lot of money in an area based on the performance of one athlete who has mainly trained out of the country. Resources need to be targeted, from the grass roots up, in sports where there were enough participants and a reasonable expectation of a return.

Athletes who showed promise in minority sports would as now generaly train outwith Scotland. The Scottish Government needs to develop symbiotic relationships with other countries. Scotland for example produces some good boxers in spite of a low participation rate in the sport. Boxing is the third or fourth most popular sport in Ireland and gets much more funding than in Scotland. It may be cheaper to send Scotland’s promising boxers to Ireland in exchange for taking on
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Team Scotland,

25/08/2008 03:21:03
. . . cont

Athletes who showed promise in minority sports would as now generaly train outwith Scotland. The Scottish Government needs to develop symbiotic relationships with other countries. Scotland for example produces some good boxers in spite of a low participation rate in the sport. Boxing is the third or fourth most popular sport in Ireland and gets much more funding than in Scotland. It may be cheaper to send Scotland’s promising boxers to Ireland in exchange for taking on some of there athletes in an area where perhaps by this time we excel. Whatever the solution it will take time and the threat to Scottish Football team is more pressing.
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Thomas1,

25/08/2008 03:33:22
Beter start making preparations for the G.B.football team and at the same time preparations for G.Browns exit,he's winding you all up,suckers.
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Kipling,

25/08/2008 03:33:58
#41,63 Charles.

How's the REPRODUCTIVE CYCLE going Charles?! It's the first time I haven't seen the DYW mentioned. Have you created your little home-made OLYMPIC TEAM yet? Looking forward to hear about the Linskaill golds in the 2028 Olympics.
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