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Published Date: 23 January 2008
THE state-run grain company in Zimbabwe has turned to making luxury dog food, while up to four million of the country's people starve.
Doggy's Delight is a new product from the Grain Marketing Board (GMB), the only firm to which farmers are allowed to sell their wheat and maize.

It is supposed to supply millers with grain for flour to make bread. But, in addition to making dog f
ood, the company has announced that it will focus on poultry feeds this year.

Recent figures show Zimbabwe has a 360,000-tonne shortfall of maize – used to make the staple mealie-meal – and a 255,000-tonne wheat shortfall.

That means more than a third of Zimbabweans are likely to need food aid in the run-up to presidential and parliamentary elections in March, according to aid agencies.

With probably less than ten weeks to go before the polls, there are fears Robert Mugabe's ruling Zanu-PF party will once again offer food for votes – the government has started secretly importing food from Malawi.

The GMB is delighted with the success of Doggy's Delight, a pre-cooked, high-protein instant dog meal. "Production of dog food by the GMB is now on full throttle," said the company nutritionist, William Ndindana.

Five tonnes of Doggy's Delight are being produced every day, according to reports. But Zimbabwe's hungry hounds won't get much of a taste of the new product, which is primarily intended for the export market.

Such exports earn foreign currency – vital for the government, which is grappling with the highest inflation rate in the world at nearly 8,000 per cent.

Shortages of basics following Mr Mugabe's disastrous price blitz in July and the soaring cost of imported goods mean struggling Zimbabweans are finding it hard enough to feed themselves, let alone their animals. Ten kilos of regular dog biscuits cost about 35 million Zimbabwe dollars (£583 at the official rate of exchange) – more than a teacher's monthly salary.

The cash squeeze appears to have forced many people to turn household pets out into the streets. Packs of starving dogs now roam residential suburbs.

At the height of meat shortages last year, reports from the east of the country said a local man had even tried eating dog, which is taboo in Zimbabwe.

To make matters even worse for the residents of Harare and other Zimbabwean cities, they have been hit by the second major power cut in three days.

The power went off on Monday evening and had still not returned yesterday afternoon.

Traffic lights were not working in most of Harare; water supplies were cut; telephone lines down, and radio transmission was interrupted.

"This country's really bad now. It's on its knees," said George, a caretaker at a block of flats in a Harare suburb. "No power, no phone, no water. No mealie-meal. We're starving."

Tensions are rising in the country after the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) vowed to go ahead with a protest march through the streets of the capital today, even though it has been banned by police. The so-called Freedom March is meant to rival the Million Man March held in support of Mr Mugabe last November.

The organisers say the march is to call for food, jobs and free and fair elections. Police initially gave it the go-ahead, but late on Monday, a spokesman told state radio it had been cancelled because police did not believe it would take place in "a peaceful and tranquil environment".

Yesterday, the MDC vowed to ignore the ban. "The march is on", said its spokesman Nelson Chamisa, who was badly beaten when police broke up an opposition prayer rally last March.

Zimbabwe's state media has accused the opposition of "spoiling for a fight".

SET FOR ELECTION 'ONSLAUGHT'ROBERT Mugabe, who is 84 next month, is due to name the election date in the next few days, and his supporters are gearing for a fight.

In a chilling threat last week, war veterans, who spearheaded the invasion of white-owned farms, said they were launching an "onslaught" to ensure his ruling Zanu-PF party wins. The Zimbabwe National Liberation War Veterans' Association said its members were "on a mission to defend our motherland".

The MDC says it will boycott the polls unless Mr Mugabe agrees to adopt a new constitution ahead of the vote.

Changes to Zimbabwe's media, security and electoral laws were rushed through parliament at the end of 2007. They became law on 11 January.

Sources say the media amendments will be put to the test in coming weeks as foreign journalists seek visas and state media accreditation to visit Zimbabwe for the elections. In the recent past, foreign journalists have routinely been denied access.



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  • Last Updated: 22 January 2008 10:22 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Zimbabwe
 
1

Dáithí,

San Jose 23/01/2008 01:26:22
#1 - Dragonhead

>"You are also responsible for Marxist (with a Capitalistic Affliction,Greed)...

Marxism is about money and power, along with killing anyone that disagrees with it. Anyone that thinks that it is anything else is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Want to ruin a functioning country? Make it Marxist.

Of course, they'll claim 'oh, that's not MY brand of Marxism!

But it is.
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ex-labour,

23/01/2008 02:32:28
It is not Marxism that causes these situtations. It is unbridled Capitalism and the western markets that encourage it. If they have no market for their 'doggy delights' there would be no money going into that country. And even luxury dog food would would help the starving people.

I agree with #1, although, yes, it makes my heart bleed for the citizens of these countries, the more aid that goes in, the richer and more dangerous these despots get.

I have reached the view that it would be better to arm the people of these countries, so that they can rise up and challenge those in power. But no, the ruling western elites could never sanction that.
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 23/01/2008 03:06:03
when the whites ran the farms in zimbabwe it was the breasd basket of Africa,
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W Smith,

Middle East 23/01/2008 03:23:55
Where are all the bleeding heart lefties that wanted Ian Smith removed?

Peter Hain and the late Harold Wilson tried to make us believe that if you removed the 'problem' white men Africa would flourish.

Bull"£$^!

BTW
Many white farmers from Zimbabwe ended up in Zambia where the government leased land to them and loaned money to get Zambia's agriculture sorted out.

The white farmers have been so successful that some of them were able to repay the loans within 2 years and Zambia is becoming the new 'bread basket' of Africa.

Well done to the black government of Zambia that treated the white farmers as economic allies and refused to play the age old 'victim' card.

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Ross Fyffe,

23/01/2008 03:42:20
Zimbawe problems, nature or nurture?
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Dáithí,

San Jose 23/01/2008 04:38:13
They are selling dog food instead of feeding people for the profit of the people in the top of the party. There is no profit for the party leaders when they give the food to the people.

If there were no western markets the people at the top of the party would still exploit the people beneath them.

That's what happens when Marxism meets reality.
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Itchy,

23/01/2008 07:32:55
#3 "It is not Marxism that causes these situtations"

Yes it is. Mugabe is a Marxist-Leninist.

"It is unbridled Capitalism and the western markets that encourage it"

How does capitalism encourage Mugabe to impose Marxist pig ignorance on his country?
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 23/01/2008 07:35:10
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Dragonhead,
Dalian,China
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Hey Dude,

Where is that report we asked you for which records the number of Chinese citizens executed in 2006, by your agents in the CCP.

WE asked u for that report multiple times but we are still waiting.

World Human Rights in the West estimate that your CCP agents executed 10,000 to 15,000 Chines people in 2006.

If u cannot get a copy in Dalian , ask one of your friends in the CCP in Beijing to send you a copy. Speed it up Dude , and use email.

During the 2008 Olympics the matter of mass executions by your CCP will be discussed by visitors . Its not going away Dude, no matter how many brutal crack-downs your CCP agents will impose .

Can you also get us a copy of the number of forced abortions done on your Chinese women each year.

Estimates in the West say forced abortions on young women in CHINA exceed 7 million per year.

Happy CCP Day Dude.

GC



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Jay Kay,

Burntisland 23/01/2008 08:14:00
#1 Dragonheid, I wont give a single penny towards zimbabwe neither will I give a damn as long as this so called Government that runs our country sends our troops to Afghanistan and Iraq, hey broon ya t*t what about pulling the troops out and send em to Zimbabwe to help get rid of this awful Mugabe, Nooooo you wont do that will you B*st*rd because there is no oil.

I have said it before Nulabour=War Criminals, theifs, cheats and Liars, and they expect us the people to vote for you, sorry I would rather vote for the Tories before I would ever cast a vote for Labour and the Tories come pretty much second to last on my list of who I will vote for.
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oder,

Scotland 23/01/2008 08:17:41
11 Vincent-W,

poster one has it spot on! the breadbasket of Africa now the basket case of Africa Ian Smith was right! Mugabe can not do the job, simply put when reality stares the west in the face it still the whites or capitalism or something else anything but the truth from the hypocritical western politicians and do gooders.


you said

It's not charity that's the issue - it's how the charity is set up and the benefits put in place.

I know of many effective charities and will continue to contribute both money and time, as I know it's making a difference.

yes maybe you!do but you no nothing of Zimbabwe or how Mugabe works
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23/01/2008 08:37:08
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Iain's,

23/01/2008 08:45:16
It does not help to remember the people to blame for this. I remember Harold Wilson, Fatty Soames, and young Hain.

Don't worry Hain will do the same for the UK if he gets the chance!

It is a sad fact that we accept black people killing black people be it in Zimbabwe or London. There is always much hand wringing but never any action.

It is just sickening.

Gordon Brown went to Kenya; this was followed by fixed elections and social unrest.
Maybe he should go to Zimbabwe and do the same thing there!

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Jay Kay,

Burntisland 23/01/2008 08:56:52
#14 of course it is thats why we have 1,2,3& 4 Para + 22 airbourne, the SBS boys will just have to sit this one out.
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23/01/2008 09:33:54
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Media 1,

cape town 23/01/2008 10:21:18
#4 Ross

There is no point making the destinction between black people and white people. We all know that any nation governed by African people is less likely to succeed than those run by whites. We know that white societies are more advanced. What we dont know, is how to assist black Africa with its countless problems.
You need to remember that black people were a primitive tribal people when the Europeans arrived. They had no reason to operate the way Europeans operated. They were not as innovative or inventive because they did not need to be. When the whites arrived, things changed, new systems were put in place, new ways of governance were introduced, and these systems were alien to Africa, they still are. How do we fix that?
I really think that all us whites need to get out of Africa, and let Africa find her feet on her own. Know foreign aid, no nothing, just let them find their feet. Problem is, there is minerals here that the west wants, and we cant leave them alone. Therefore, we keep them down. That is not to say that Mugabe is not a typical African bufoon, he is. But the people will only become empowered and able to stop men like Mugabe, once they have evolved to want to do it. At the moment they are so oppressed that its impossible. Take away Mugabes wealth and he is also screwed.
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23/01/2008 11:08:39
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Media 1,

cape town 23/01/2008 11:14:34
#20 Vincent W

House Boy? I think you are thinking about North Africa!
We are like Scotland,America and Europe we have maids, cleaners, call them what you will.
My maid is not allowed to cook. She is there to clean and ensure that all the clothes are washed and ironed. She does a great job and I am fortunate to have her.

You need to live Africa to understand her! It is frustrating living with African enmasse, because their systems can frustrate the hell out of you!
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23/01/2008 11:22:14
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23/01/2008 11:27:07
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Media 1,

cape town 23/01/2008 11:32:40
#23 Doreen

How on Earth is that patronising?
I know boses in Scotland who say that general staff members are not permitted to enter the board rooms without permission. I kmow companies in Scotland that have areas that are off limits to general staff members. I stated that my maid/cleaner is not permitted to cook and that she is paid to Iron and clean the clothes. How on Earth is that patronising?
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Maurice,

Fife 23/01/2008 12:55:26
Dragonhead,Dalian,China: It is not Marxist (with a Capitalistic Affliction,Greed) that is the root cause of this. Since before 1806 when the English Annexed the Cape Colony, the indigenous people of Southern Africa have learned from the example shown to them by the English. They have learned how to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellows, be that through deceipt or even murder. They have learned through example how to fall for the greed trap. How to perform ethnic cleansing in the name of governance.
One could argue that Ah but, they were also given infrastructure, medicine, education etc. But were they really and even more important, were they taught how to deal with it. The answer is NO.
They have not learned about a process called democracy because the example shown was that the King/ Queen is all powerful and that those with any form of authority can dictate to who they like without retribution.
One may argue that that was 2 centuries ago, but evolution takes a wee while longer than that.
Mugabe is only doing what has been bred into him through centuaries of colonisation. They same problems have occured be it in the past with all areas colonised by the English. So although the man is a cerably syphaletic madman, he is just behaving as tthe example set before him.
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Alexander,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 12:59:51
#17
"He declined the offer of no African majority rule until 2000. This would have given time to involve Africans in the proper running of the country and we would never have heard of Mugabe."
Dream on! I suppose you believe in UFO's, fairies and anthropogenically induced climate change.
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Number 6,

Germany 23/01/2008 13:08:16
Now now , we must not critisise this black run country. We should not interfere in African affairs etc
etc etc. And this is the result. Tribalism, as in all African countries will always result in predjudice,and
I mean of the deadly variety. But hey, as I said apparently it's racist for white goverments to try and interfere with the running of a black country so let them get on with it. That's political correctness for you.
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Itchy,

23/01/2008 14:08:57
#17 "What's going on in Zimbabwe is neither capitalism nor Marxism"

It is indeed Marxism

#26"Mugabe is only doing what has been bred into him through centuaries of colonisation."

What? Imposing Marxist-Leninism?

Mugabe is a free man and he has no one to blame bar himself over Zimbabwe's collapse.
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Jay Kay,

Burntisland 23/01/2008 14:57:54
#18 Vincent mate if you can find an answer to that problem then you would be a fcuking genius.
The problem I have is the government just wont help so why should we bother eh!

But then again why dont we get shot of the government and put someone in charge who isnt corrupt a liar, greedy, makes very poor economic sense, bails out failing banks, gives away 600million of our gold reserves for euros, robs the pensions of billions, has criminals who are recieving illegal donations, no better than Mugabe in many ways.

We need to sort our own sh*t our first before we even get started so lets get the troops home now so they can sort our feckin country out, we got murderers walking the streets and paedophiles being banned from owning cameras for fcuk sake man.

The whole bloody world is going mad, I even read that there are Generals who are advising that a tactical nuclear strike may be an answer to developing nuclear powers.

Zimbabwe, who cares!
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Media 1,

cape town 23/01/2008 15:01:48
This is an African epidemic!
Kenya, Ethiopia, Sudan, Burundi, Rwanda, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Uganda, Chad and the rest. The headlines just keep on coming, and they are never pretty!
I live in SA!
Read this....
South Africa’s responsible leaders
Let’s begin with Winnie Madikizela-Mandela. She is number one on the National Executive Council. She is a kidnapper and charlatan fraudster. In 1991 she was charged with the kidnapping and murder of a 14 year old boy named Stompie Seipei. She was eventually convicted of kidnapping and sentenced to 6 years in jail, but her sentence was reduced to a fine of R15 000. How on earth that was permitted to happen is up to you to decide.
But if you thought her crimes ended there, think again. In 2001 she was charged 43 counts of fraud and 25 counts of theft. She tried to obtain loans for non-existent ANC women’s league employees. She was sentenced to five years in prison, but the charges were somehow overturned to 18 months, suspended for five years. Need we even ask?
Then we have Tony Yengeni, the former chief whip for the ANC. In 2003 he was found guilty of fraud after failing to declare the considerable discount he received on his 4x4 to parliament. The vehicle was supplied by EADS, the company who had tendered for the very profitable arms deal contracts. Yengeni was sentenced to four years in jail. He served 20 weeks of this sentence and was permitted weekend passes. The mind boggles.
We then move on to the name of Bathabile Dlamini who is the secretary general of the ANC women’s league. She pleaded guilty to charges of theft and corruption. She abused her position in parliament to the tune of a R254 000 in travel vouchers, hotel accommodation and car rentals.
Was she arrested? Was she hell, instead she was fined R120 000 payable over 24 months.
Enoch Godongwana, the former Eastern Cape finance minister was convicted of drunk driving. Not only was he drunk, he was twice over the legal limit and he refused take a breathalyser
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Media 1,

cape town 23/01/2008 15:03:02
He received an R8000.

Ruth Bhegu was a former MP who defrauded parliament to the tune of R43 000. She was offered the choice between two years in jail or a R45 000 fine. Following this scandal and fraudulent behaviour she was appointed the deputy mayor of the district municipality in Kwazulu Natal.


Jackson Mthembu the Mpumalanga chief whip is quite the criminal. He was involved in a number of scandals and guilty of contempt of court in 2002, this irresponsible maniac admitted to using government money for ANC trips and 10 BMW’s for his colleuges. He also crashed a state vehicle without a driver’s licence. Believe it or not, but this rogue was acquitted of fraud in 2001 even though he falsified a state contract for a building company that employed him.

Ndleleni Duma was another one of those travel gate convicts. This North West minister of sports, arts and culture pleaded guilty to a charge of R51 000 that he stole from the state. He was fined R30 000.

In 2006 Jacob Zuma was up on charges of rape. He is also currently embroiled in a court case in which he is charged with racketeering, corruption and money laundering.
And this is the President of the ANC. Can it get any worse?

Blade Nzimande is the subject of a South African Police Service investigation into claims by controversial businessman Charles Modise that he handed the general secretary of the SACP R500 000 in cash that subsequently went astray.

Ngoako Ramatlhodi, the former Limpopo premier has been in the news since corruption allegations were levelled against him in 2003. The Scorpions are investigating claims that Ramatlhodi and former Limpopo minister Thaba Mufamadi were secret shareholders of Northern Corporate Investment Holdings, which owns 30% of Cash Paymaster Services (CPS).

CPS was awarded a multimillion-rand tender for the disbursement of social grants.

Billy Masetlha is the former spy boss Masetlha stands accused in the Pretoria Commercial Crimes Court of paying informa
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Media 1,

cape town 23/01/2008 15:04:02
Billy Masetlha is the former spy boss Masetlha stands accused in the Pretoria Commercial Crimes Court of paying information technology expert Muzi Kunene R152 000 to manufacture false emails that attempted to show a political conspiracy against Zuma.

12. Nyami Booi is an experienced ANC MP; Booi too is a Travel gate accused who declined to enter into plea agreement with the state. He appointed his own legal team and is yet to face fraud charges.

Thaba Mufamadi like Ramatlhod is being investigated by the Scorpions for receiving bribes in a social grants tender award. He resigned as Limpopo minister for public works in 2006, but Premier Sello Moloto denied that his resignation was related to the investigation.


Playfair Morule the former Free State safety and security minister is accused of being responsible for the death of a Bloemfontein pedestrian in September 2006. The state alleges that Morule’s negligence led to the man’s death.

Jessie Duarte was forced to quit as Gauteng’s minister for safety and security after a commission of inquiry found there was a “strong suspicion” she had covered up a car accident while driving without a licence.

Angie Motshekga, Gauteng’s education minister was reprimanded in 2004 for having a “close relationship” with a company that had benefited from government’s grants payout system and of which her husband and former premier, Mathole, was a director.

Sibongile Manana, the former Mpumalanga health minister was moved to another portfolio after the Scorpions started their investigation into fraud and corruption in her department. Manana has never been formally charged.

Baleka Mbete (Chairperson of the ANC: dodgy driver’s licence)
to avoid the long queues, Speaker Mbete in 1996 requested former Mpumalanga safety minister Steve Mabona to organise a driver’s licence for her. The Moldenhauer Commission of Inquiry established that her licence was false, but could not find evidence of a guilty mind on her part.

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Media 1,

cape town 23/01/2008 15:04:53
Malusi Gigaba, the deputy home affairs minister was exposed in 2007 for running a “leadership academy” from his office and buying expensive flowers for his wife with state money.

Siphiwe Nyanda, the former army chief admitted in 2001 that he had received a discount of R150 000 on a new Mercedes-Benz S320 from EADS.

Ncumisa Kondlo, an ANC MP and SACP deputy chairperson, Kondlo is the widow of Nelson Mandela’s former bodyguard, Thobile Mtwazi, who was the empowerment partner of Parliament’s security firm, Africa Strategic Asset Protection (Asap). The company was exposed for allegedly paying bribes to win state contracts. Kondlo had received two payments from Asap.

Mathole Motshekga. Although an internal ANC commission in 1998 cleared the former Gauteng premier of allegations of squandering donor funds, questions remain about the finances of the National Institute for Public Interest Law and Research that he headed.

David Mabuza the Mpumalanga’s transport minister was implicated in a school stationery corruption scandal in 2003, but was never charged.

Joyce Mashamba, the Limpopo sports, arts and culture minister irregularly appointed her son to the human resources unit in her department.

Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, the minister of home affairs and her Cabinet colleague husband, Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula, have allegedly been allowed to repay thousands of rands to the liquidators of the travel agencies embroiled in Travel gate.

Sankie Mthembi-Mahanyele, the Minister of Housing was embroiled in a conflict of interest debacle involving the Mpumalanga Motheo housing scandal. A commission of inquiry cleared her.
Ayanda Dlodlo is a former Scorpions director against whom charges of fraud and theft were withdrawn in the Pretoria Commercial Crimes Court last year.

Sicelo Shiceka, a former Gauteng minister for local government, was in 1999 accused of corruption by his head of department, but was cleared.
Jackie Selebi, the chief of
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Media 1,

cape town 23/01/2008 15:05:40
Jackie Selebi, the chief of police is currently being investigated on corruption and racketeering charges, and what about Robert McBride (born July 6, 1963 in Durban, South Africa) is the chief of the Metropolitan Police for Ekurhuleni Metropolitan Municipality. During the apartheid era he was a member of Umkhonto we Sizwe, the armed wing of the African National Congress, and was convicted of the 1986 bombing of Magoo's Bar in Durban, which killed 3 and injured 69. He applied for and was granted amnesty for this and other illegal actions taken during his time with MK by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, although the commission did find the bombing to be a "gross violation of human rights"
McBride is currently on paid leave pending the results of an investigation into an alleged drunk driving incident at the end of 2006.
The Minister of Safety and Security, Charles Nqakula, recently said that white people who could not handle the crime, should leave. Is this the sort of comment that a responsible politician would make? I wonder what might have happened to the British Safety and Security minister had he said that Asian people who could not handle the racist attacks should return to Pakistan. Thankfully, European politicians would not get away with such crassness.
The dishonesty does not end with the names above.
Many judges have been found guilty of corruption, as have many high level prison officers.
South African and Metro police officers are known to take bribes, which are hardly surprising considering their bosses are former terrorists who think they are above the law, and men who befriend known criminals for cash reward.
South Africa is beyond repair, anyone who says otherwise is living in a dream world in which hope is the only dream they are left with.
The stench of corruption is so bad that the foundations of the nation are under such stress they may soon give way. In addition to the unacceptably high levels of crime of all levels of South Afr
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Media 1,

cape town 23/01/2008 15:06:13
The stench of corruption is so bad that the foundations of the nation are under such stress they may soon give way. In addition to the unacceptably high levels of crime of all levels of South African society, is the constant and daily terrorisation of the public at the hands of the thousands of savage murderers that roam the streets, towns and suburbs.
As if that is not bad enough, there is almost grid lock on our roads because corrupt officials hand out building permits to anyone who will offer them something in return, regardless of the chaos it causes. The Metro Police cannot control the problems experienced on the roads because they have no knowledge on how to do so. The mini bus taxi association take the law into their own hands, anarchy prevails and the electricity is constantly going out.
The end is nigh!



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cape town 23/01/2008 15:55:45
Vincent W

Within the mire of problems, there is still people who are prepared to ensure that our children receive some sort of moral upbringing.
School uniforms are merely a way of ensuring that kids understand the importance of self grooming! They may not enjoy the uniform, I didnt! But I am glad they forced upon me. As a result I always ensure that I look smart and presentable. It doesnt hurt to try and instil some rules aimed at making a positive difference. Imagine the army canned uniforms and permitted soldiers to grow their hair? It cant happen!
We dont beat our kids, in fact I dont believe that any responsible parent beats their kids. A hiding or a smack around the ear every now and again for disrespectful behaviour is ok in my book. There is no corporal punishment here anymore, although in the old days we used get caned on the a$$.
You say leave! That process is already in process. 2 million white people have left in the last 4 years and remaining 4 million will be gone by 2015.
Thats the entire foundation gone, after that, the whole darn thing comes crashing down. But I will be in Brissy by then.
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Allan(handofgod137),

23/01/2008 16:59:36
So we appear to have 2 choices to sort out the African problem.
1. Take over the whole continent and start running it properly again.
or
2. Remove all the nasty imperialist whites from the subcontinent ( Don't worry leftists, we can send them plenty of replacements for the hard working whites, who I'm sure will be an asset to our countries ).Put the whole place in quarantine Wait about 20 years for aids and famine to do there work, and hey presto we have new lands to colonise, without an indigenous population.
Result
WIN
+
PROFIT
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Caora Dubh,

Croit Sheasgair 23/01/2008 20:06:45
#31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36: I suggest that you read about the state of the UK from about 1770-1830. Robert Hughes' brilliant, insightful history of Oz, "The Fatal Shore", has a good section about this. The UK in 1800 could be South Africa today: crime, corruption, slums, poverty, & class divisions. Why? Two reasons:
1) Maldistribution of wealth - the greater the gulf between haves and have-nots, the more crime there is.
2) The rate of urbanisation. Apartheid bantustans were dam walls that retarded natural urbanisation, so that when the dam walls came down, the human floods pouring into cities overwhelmed services.
Judging by the UK's history, South Africa needs another 150 years to solve its current problems. However, I have seen shocking slums in the UK, Portugal and France, and petty crime in big UK cities is appalling, perhaps worse than petty crime in SA. But we don't have the same number of ghastly murders.
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oder,

Scotland 23/01/2008 20:29:46
14 Vincent-W,23


"but we have to bypass the 'government'"
No one bypasses the Mugabe government in Zimbabwe a much bigger international Charity called the "Red Cross" give it a go and were promptly booted out of the country, maybe a little lesson here for all these charities to gain from the Red Cross experience

helping people is a good thing but you have to know obstacles on the ground before you can operate, you can not and will not be allowed to operate.
how many of these charities do you know that have bypassed Mugabe`s boys? I`ll tell you ...none!
like it or not the only way life will improve in Zimbabwe is when he`s gone! by giving aid now while Mugabe is still in control only serves to prolong the suffering of the people in the country, and history shows the African leaders are not particularly concerned about the welfare of their own people.
Help Zimbabwe yes! how? get rid of Mugabe how? whatever it takes.
Problem solved!

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oder,

Scotland 23/01/2008 20:51:24
17 Rulesbutnotrulers,

Unfortunately a British guarantee isn't worth the paper its written on!
the British government along with the Europeans gave the assurance to Serbia that the would not recognise Kosovo as an independent state, they have acknowledge that it is part of Serbia. They are now going back on that promise and are going to recognise Kosovo.
Ian Smith saved Rhodesia from turning into Zimbabwe by 20 years or so! he was far more intelligent man than the credit giving to him! but one thing he new very well never trust a British government! now the Serbs are about to learn that lesson.
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oder,

Scotland 23/01/2008 23:36:29
43 Vincent-W,23

nice of you to be concerned about my wallet! just to put you in the picture! I have more money invested in Southern Africa than you have! I don't need other excuses and unlike you am much better acquainted with the area, never mined though you can always fall back on the old argument that you do gooders love to use the "race card"( for want of a better argument) as you so clearly shown to media 1
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oder,

Scotland 24/01/2008 11:05:33
45 Vincent-W,24/01/2008 07:45:13

I take it by investing you expect a return? I've no problem with that but it's not really giving - is it?

you dont have a problem with it then why raise it?

what is it then? my money that is invested in Southern African companies that supplies work to local people that's your thinking? yes! I get return, as do the local people, who works for nothing? your economic common sense is as bad as your knowledge of the political realities of Africa.

you said
Why do your sort always use the term 'do gooder' as an insult? In my world doing good is a positive thing.

as was said early you need to understand whats happening on the ground before you can decide what to do
for the last fifty years the world has thrown money at Africa to disappear down the black hole that it is(no pun intended) there is not enough money in the world to supply Africa`s needs hand outs is not what it needs, Africa is rich in mineral wealth, poor in quality leadership and responsible government.
to do the right thing is good! how is keeping a person like Mugabe in power good so that he can continue his reign of terror? and the suffering of the people goes on
you believe that handing out the basic minimum food to help keep them just alive so Mugabe carries on the brutality? you think that humanitarian?
Its time to do the right thing! get your priorities right stop pretending you care, it only makes your conscience feel better.
I dont know if youve read many of Media 1 posts
there is one point he always makes in all his posts that is you need to "experience" Africa before you will understand it and he`s right!
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mcamp,

cambridge 24/01/2008 11:16:21
Media 1

You paint such a dismal gloomy picture that it makes one wonder why you continue to live there.

I know that the picture is not nearly that bad, the Govt continues to run a strong economy and is starting to make inroads into the crime wave.

Hoardes of murderers roaming the streets indeed, where exactly do you live? This is so removed from reality that it is laughable.
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Maurice,

24/01/2008 12:59:30
43 Vincent-W,Your attack on Media 1 is a bit harsh. Why do you say that. Attacking on the messenger is exactly part of the problems the 3rd world faces having learned to do so by the brittish who have perfected it.
I lived there for 43 years and although its gloomy (47 mcamp,cambridge) its the way it is wether it pleases the politically correct or not. The South African government is run by criminals of varying degrees. Incidently, this is not the case with the Zimbabwean cabinet.
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mcamp,

24/01/2008 14:19:37
Maurice, to the contrary, the picture in SA is anything but gloomy. It does not need the harbingers of doom and gloom to continually deride what is a very young government.

Some people just need SA to fail so that they can prove their point that no black Govt van succeed in Africa.

Well, South Africa will prove that wrong. There will be a long hard struggle with many pitfalls and reversals, but the picture continuos to look rosy.
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oder,

Scotland 24/01/2008 15:59:07
51 Vincent-W,

you need to look at your post again you raised the question of my money buddy!forget? not me, you did!(post*43) however its not surprising because as I said in my post at 13 you know nothing of Zimbabwe or Mugabe.

you said

You make one hell of a lot of assumptions about me. Be careful - most of them are entirely wrong. Don't try and stereotype me. It's the cheapest form of trying to undermine an argument. I try to learn from others posts - I urge the same.

playing the victim game now are we? and its me that is undermining the argument? tell me which one`s are right? the only one of any real importance is
you know nothing of Zimbabwe or Mugabe, stereotype? maybe .. maybe not! but that`s a fact and in the end all that matters!
Its not me that needs to be careful! Its the Africans that must be wary of any such persons that would co-operate with a tyrant like Mugabe! so they pretend to show loving attitude to their fellow man and ease their conscience, meanwhile allowing this madman to continue unchecked.
put your self in a position to learn, take a trip to Africa and gain some experience! then you`ll be better informed.







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oder,

Scotland 24/01/2008 16:16:56
50 Vincent-W,

Helen Sussman's ? do you not mean Helen Suzman the anti - Apartheid campaigner? easy to get it wrong eh?
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Maurice,

Fife 24/01/2008 18:18:45
49 mcamp & 50 Vincent-W, You may not like what he had to say but unfortunately, it is true. Nobody wants it that way but you can put any label on it you wish. The cabinet in South Africa is occupied by criminals and if the future is to be rosy, then the country needs investment. Imagine if you were an investor and you were speculating. Would you invest there? Maybe, but at what risk. Power outages daily in most towns and cities, a non-productive, expensive labour force, corruption in local government etc, etc.
I wish to invest in South Africa mainly because it is in my heart and in reality, I'm in the UK to milk it until such time as I am in a position to make these investments. Not for self enrichment though. I love the people. ~Was born and bred in the Transkei, lived there before,during and after independance and hope to die there and want to see it prosper. I firmly believe that Africa as a single Federation has the POTENTIAL to become the richest nation on earth. Not because of technology and economics, but because there will be a time when this is of no consequence to a world where the lights went out and peope do not know how to survive without it. I know M1 does not list the credentials of the previous government but that surely has no bearing on the future apart from a guideline on what political behaviour to avoid. I speak 4 South African languages fluently, have lived rurally as well as in cities. I beleive I have a good understanding of some of the loveliest people in the world but those that rule are suffering the disease of corruption. A sickness that they contracted way back during the colonial era and were mostly infected by the british. Until this corruption is exposed and eliminated, then these lovely people are the ones that will suffer. Just as the lovely people of Zimbabwe are suffering under Mug-ape.
40 Caora Dubh,Croit Sheasgair has some valid points but it neednt take 150 years. Just allow people like Media 1 and others to expose what is r
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Brentie,

Benoni 24/01/2008 18:51:41
37.
Beat our kids,which planet are you from,don't you
know if you dare raise a finger ,kids down here will
haul you faster in front of a magistrate,then I am able
to write this.

You have got no clue of what is going on in Africa and are well advised to stay away.
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Brentie,

Benoni 24/01/2008 19:26:48
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The more I read what you people have to say,the more
I realise how ignorant and uninformed you really
are about Africa and in particular South Africa.

Firstly South Africa's growth has only benefited a
small portion of the population and through BEE
(Black Economic empowerment) has created numerous
black millionaires mainly through the acquisition of
previously white owned firms or through part ownership.

You cannot employ however you like and major firms
like banks are compelled to employ a certain number of
blacks.

With a steady rising inflation rate poverty is also on the rise. This problem is futher acerbated by the influx

of thousands of illegal aliens fleeing even worse conditions in countries north from us. They enter our country daily and in the town where I live Nigerian drug lords are making a killing from drugs and prostitutes.

These wretched creatures from all over the world are finding their way to our shores under the pretence of a better life only to have their passports and travel documents removed and condemned to a life of misery.

Frequent poilice raids fail to stop the influx.


Or police and justice systems are now falling apart to such extent that over 700 000 of +/- 1.1 million criminal cases had to be struck of the roll,due to disappearing witnesses, evidence etc. For the right price you cannot only buy a Ak47 but also dockets.

Today 20 highly dangerous criminals were released because the judge decided to let them go as the police laboratory could not after months of delay test their DNA-samples.


Why do I stay here, because I love this place and
come hell or high water I.ll rather die here before
I let what took 350 years to build go to the dogs.

Stay away because you won't survive, Africa is no land
for sissies.
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Trade-wind,

USA 24/01/2008 20:44:40
#17 you nailed it. That is exactly what is happening.
Can't say more or less because that said it all.

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Trade-wind,

USA 24/01/2008 20:52:56
#56 Sorry you live in such a place. But, If you are not a sissy, then take up arms and try and get others to do the same and save your country. You may not be the heroic type but if you would rather die there then arm yourself and take your country back and make it a fit place to live. You can't expect other to do it for you.
Nor should they. Stand up and be counted for liberty.
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Maurice,

24/01/2008 21:59:26
58 Trade-wind,USA What are you on about?? (shock, horror, disgust!)You watch way too much tv. Rambo is american, George Bush's cousin or something. He doesnt live in Africa especially in Benoni. But i forget. This is the logic you yanks seem to come up with everytime someone doesnt do what you guys like. Maybe thats why america has been actively involved in armed conflict in 46 countries since ww2 (or is it 47, I forget). Thats a record for any country. Well done!
There was a time that we whites in South Africa did just that (took up arms)and apart from economically fuelling conflict especially in Angola for your own financial gain and hoarding of oil stocks, you americans whinged and boycotted us along with the Brits and most of the rest of the world. So either you beleive you guys were wrong in the 1st place to condemn us or you want the Benoni boytjie to commit suicide.
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Akrotiri,

UK 04/05/2009 21:47:02
So, why not ask your MP's how AYANDA DLODLO got away with operating with convicted criminal Nico Shefer when she was a senior Scorpion and registered as a Co Director of BANDY INVESTMENTS PTY LTD Using a DRC Mining Claim registered through a Pretoria Accountant Mr Douw Van Der Merwe Viljoen also listed as a Director with his partner Mr Nico Shefer.

Who just happened to have been payed R327 Million for the Ruashi Sprl by METOREX LTD now over R2 Billion in debt and not even brought this Fraud DRC Mining Claim to Production.

Senior ANC Government backed by members of the OLD White NIS and NP Selling themselves to the highest bidder.

Working with a select network of corrupt Mining Companies and directly associated with the likes of Billy Rautenbach, George Forrest and John Bredencamp scavenging the mineral spoils of Africa for themselves.


 

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