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Published Date: 11 October 2008
THE devastating effects of the Icelandic bank collapse spread into all corners of British life yesterday, with charities, health trusts and even one Scottish fire and rescue service revealing they had all lost millions of pounds in the crisis.
Official estimates suggested that British councils and charities had invested £1 billion in Icelandic financial institutions – money that is now frozen and may be lost due to the collapse in confidence in the country's banking system.

In total, UK investors are understood to have about £8 billion in Icelandic banks and institutions.

Yesterday it emerged that Strathclyde Fire and Rescue Board had £3 million invested in Iceland and two unnamed English health foundation trusts had £2 million invested.

In all, more than 100 councils – eight from Scotland with deposits of £45.5 million – as well as police forces, fire services and transport authorities, have hundreds of millions of pounds invested in Icelandic financial institutions.

The animal charity Cats Protection had the most invested of any British charity, with £11.2 million of deposits in Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander. But it was just one of hundreds of charities from across the UK that have invested money in Iceland.

Private investors are covered by the UK government's guarantees but other bodies, such as councils and charities, are not.

The UK government warned charities and other public sector organisations yesterday that it was not able to offer any guarantees over the money invested in Iceland.

UK Treasury officials started crisis talks in Reykjavik yesterday morning with their Icelandic counterparts in an attempt to get as much of the British money back as possible.

Iceland's prime minister, Geir Haarde, attempted to cool the war of words with the British government last night.

He said: "We will honour our obligations. We need some support from the UK authorities in order to be able to do that in a proper way."

But with its economy in turmoil, its currency sliding and its stock market suspended, Iceland is in a very precarious state.

Icelandic depositors can get access to their money, but British organisations cannot – something the Treasury officials are trying to rectify in their crisis talks. However, it also emerged last night that the UK government had been warned of impending problems in Iceland back in July.

Lord Oakeshott, the Liberal Democrat Peer, said he raised the issue of a possible Icelandic bank collapse in a written question to a minister.

Pat Watters, the president of Cosla, the Scottish council umbrella body, said he was confident that no frontline services in Scotland would be affected because the money would have come from capital projects and the reserves.

And David Parker, the leader of Scottish Borders Council, which has £10 million invested in Iceland, said he was sure the council would get at least some of its money back.

He said he expected some money back – from the Icelandic authorities, from the assets of the bank frozen by the UK government or from the UK Treasury itself.

"I am confident it will not affect our budget, at least for this year," he said.

Scottish government officials are checking with every public sector body in Scotland to find out if any are affected, even indirectly, by the crisis.

There are fears that some councils may not have their own money invested in Iceland but might be relying on private companies to build schools and hospitals and this money could be coming from Iceland, so this could be under threat.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said last night that officials had no knowledge of any more public bodies affected by the crisis but more would be known after a full audit was completed, probably early next week.

Mr Watters stressed yesterday that the Icelandic banks were "triple A rated" by the regulators, which is why councils felt their money was safe.

John Swinney, the Scottish finance secretary, said he wanted assurances from the UK government that all council deposits in Icelandic institutions would be afforded the same protections and guarantees, regardless of whether they were Scottish or English.

The UK government has said that only those facing the "most severe difficulties" would receive any support.

Mr Swinney said: "I will take forward discussions with affected Scottish local authorities directly with the Treasury to ensure that council resources and council taxpayers' interests are protected at this time of uncertainty."

Senior figures in Scottish councils decided to seek a joint meeting with the Westminster and Scottish governments, and the Scottish Secretary, Jim Murphy, later agreed to this.

Mr Murphy said: "I have agreed with Cosla to convene a meeting at the Scotland Office in Edinburgh on Wednesday morning to which the Scottish government will of course be invited."

The body representing the voluntary sector in Scotland is seeking a meeting with Mr Murphy on the wider impact of the credit crunch.

A spokeswoman for the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations said: "We are currently investigating how many of our members have been affected."

From cod to cash, sinking economy takes countries into stormy waters again

BRITAIN and Iceland have endured strained relations in the past, but most disputes have been about fish, not finance.

Over the past few decades, the UK has fought three small wars over fishing limits – the so-called Cod Wars.

Now, though, diplomatic problems have been caused by the virtual collapse of Iceland's banking system.

Iceland's repeated expansion of its fishing grounds and its aggressive methods of protecting territory led Britain to deploy navy warships and the intervention of Nato.

Trouble flared in 1958, in 1961 and 1975. Britain was forced to back down eventually and respect Iceland's 200-mile exclusion zone after Reykjavik threatened to close an important Nato base.

The traditional fishing ports of Hull, Grimsby and Fleetwood suffered hugely as a result.

Now the dispute is over money. Gordon Brown has publicly declared Icelandic actions in shutting down its banking system "effectively illegal" and "unacceptable" and Iceland's prime minister, Geir Haarde, has expressed annoyance that the UK used anti-terrorism legislation to seize assets in Britain of one of the Icelandic banks.

The UK government is angry that Iceland is not prepared to compensate British investors equally, but is protecting its domestic savers first.

This part of the dispute refers to internet bank Icesave. Britain received no assurance that a legal agreement for equal treatment would be honoured.

Icelanders, however, are dismayed that the British government acted under the Anti-terrorism Act. Westminster decided it had to take steps to protect its own UK savers and seized assets of Icesave's parent bank, Landsbanki.

The language in the first few days of the row was incendiary, with both prime ministers going public with accusations against the other. But yesterday, after UK Treasury officials arrived in Reykjavik and started discussions with their Icelandic counterparts to find a way forward, the tone became more conciliatory.

Iceland warning in July

MINISTERS were warned of looming problems in Iceland in July.

Liberal Democrat peer Lord Oakeshott said he had raised the issue of a possible Icelandic bank collapse in a written question to a Treasury minister in the summer.

A former pension fund manager and former director of Warburg Investment Management, Lord Oakeshott was told the Financial Services Authority was monitoring the situation and there was no cause for concern.

"Alarm bells were ringing all over about the Icelandic banks and the Treasury must have been blind and deaf not to hear them," said the peer.

It also emerged that Brighton and Hove Council had been suspicious of the interest rates being offered by Icelandic banks. The council considered them too good to be true and withdrew its deposits with the institutions.

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  • Last Updated: 11 October 2008 12:25 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Credit Crunch
 
1

Richardinho,

11/10/2008 00:15:23
Aside from the economic implications, I find it pretty shocking that the British government used anti-terrorist laws in a financial-ie, not a 'terrorist' matter.This action vindicates those who said that this government couldn't be trusted with such powers.
2

Willie,

Lochaber 11/10/2008 00:15:31
Once again the pursuit of the mighty buck has caused problems fot those who should know better.
When you're dealing with the publics money or that given freely as donations you must act appropriately not grasp greedily every opportunity to increase its value.
No doubt the British taxpayer gave tax allowances for the donations which were then invested overseas to increase their wealth not ours, and they want bailed out now.
I say no.
Reward those that support and invest in Britain not Iceland!!
3

Rufus T. Firefly,

11/10/2008 00:24:06
#1 Why?
4

Richardinho,

11/10/2008 00:53:08
#3 true, I shouldn't be shocked at all by the behaviour of this labour government.
5

subrosa,

11/10/2008 00:54:01
'Mr Murphy said: "I have agreed with Cosla to convene a meeting at the Scotland Office in Edinburgh on Wednesday morning to which the Scottish government will of course be invited."'

Really? How pompous.

6

Rufus T. Firefly,

11/10/2008 01:11:39
#4 Whats the alternative?
Shall we let them off and tell them never to do it again?

Meanwhile schools close down, firemen get sacked and hospital building programs get halted.

Yes its really shocking isn't it?
7

Richardinho,

11/10/2008 01:21:11
#6 Sacking firemen isn't a terrorist act last time I checked.
Anyway, who's at fault here? For years Iceland was known as the 'Bumblebee economy', so called because like a bumblebee 'it flew but no-one could work out why'. Well, a wise investor should know that if something seems too good to be true then it probably isn't. Chancing your own money on such a bet is bad enough, putting at risk that of tax payers is unforgivable.
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 01:35:33

Willie ~2,

Agree!, All sound's like, 'Greed and Dodgy going on's'

Were the trying to hide our excessive, Council-Tax monies,?
9

Matt there,

Somewhere 11/10/2008 02:04:47
You'd have to be really, REALLY stupid to invest £11.2 million in one place.

Have these fools not heard of spreading the risk? >:o||
10

Aussie Jack,

Brisbane 11/10/2008 03:31:46
I have all of my considerable wealth ($105 Australian) in Iceland - still there in fact, in the freezer section of my kitchen fride, in a newish looking ice cream can. If the fridge collapses I wont really worry, tho. Now that the bottom has fallen out of the Australian dollar, it'as not so important. And pension day is only 5 days away.
We have to see these things in perspective.
Time for an other Johnnie Walker Black.
11

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 11/10/2008 05:28:42
Hahahahahahahahahaha !!! You've got to laugh !!!!
Cats Protection has 11.2 MILLION quid in the bank in Iceland ??? I'm sure this fact, now that it has become public knowledge, will affect donations, not only to "Cats Protection", but every other charity from now on !!
Almost daily we see adverts in the media from these charities where they plead poverty and say they "desperately" need our help..... well if it all goes t!ts up for them now all I can say is h3ll mend you !!

P.S. I HATE cats anyway...... c'mon the dogs !!!
12

Pilrig,

Livingston 11/10/2008 05:59:25
12 - take yer medication
13

Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 11/10/2008 06:50:18
Swinney is an ASS! Its hard to imagine how the Gnats can manage to play their petty politics with a global crisis affecting a small country and investors across the UK, yet there he goes. "Make sure the UK protects Scottish investors as much as English investors" !? Really! Only someone with truly psychotic paranoia would even raise that.

ENOUGH with these idiots - lets get on with addressing the real problems facing Scotland - not the manufactured Gnat disputes that plague our land.
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11/10/2008 07:01:31
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 11/10/2008 07:13:46
#7 Richardinho

I see. So now that the SNP's much-vaunted "arc of prosperity" has turned (in part at least) into an "arc of insolvency", are you nationalists going to pretend that always agreed with the concerns about Iceland's unsustainability?

Oh, and the term "bumblebee economy" was never used of Iceland. Google it!
16

Rufus T. Firefly,

11/10/2008 07:22:35
#7 Richardinho

What a load of drivel.

The Bumble Bee Economy.

Oh Dear.

"Sacking Firemen isn't a terrorist act".

Well ummmmm obviously.

You stick to talking about bumble bees. Its riveting stuff.
17

Rufus T. Firefly,

11/10/2008 07:25:38
Richardinho, why dont you Buzz Off?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

11/10/2008 07:27:50
Richardinho, I was charged over £15 for 3 drinks in Tiger Lily last night!

Do you think I was stung?
19

Rufus T. Firefly,

11/10/2008 07:30:59
Hey Richardinho, i know you hate Rangers, but what do you think of Da Marcus Beesley?
20

Andra, Dundee,

11/10/2008 07:34:11
Just goes to show, what goes around, comes around.
The Icelanders got one over us in the cod wars because we needed their Nato base.
This time round we need nothing that they have - in fact they have nothing - they are bust - so they are stuffed.
I wonder if they wish they'd been more reasonable in the Cod wars - then maybe we'd be more reasonable now.
21

Boy Wonder,

11/10/2008 07:42:06
And now, even Chariries are show up to have more money than they would rather have us know about!

Capitalism is as busted a flush as "communism" ever was!

There has to be another, better way to run the world and stop all those greedy b**ta**s getting richer by this outright immoral manipulation of the world economy.
22

Rufus T. Firefly,

11/10/2008 07:46:38
The Bumble Bee economy, ha ha ha, what an idiot.
23

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 11/10/2008 07:58:48
Every Public Body which put the taxpayers money into Icelands Banks sought advice from Brown and Darling. Thats a fact of life, so AM2 and the other London Numpties on this forum are criticising their beloved London Government.

Let there be no doubt about the extent of Gordon Brown’s culpability for the crisis. As Chancellor, he raised huge sums and borrowed yet more in order to build a client state of tame Labour voters on the public payroll – whether as employees or claimants. He pushed Britain to live way beyond its means not merely in this way, but by putting excessive amounts of money into circulation that banks could lend on with cavalier irresponsibility. He then failed properly to regulate those banks.

The debt mountain he created has yet to wreak its full horror on society. He spent so wildly that when things went wrong – not that he ever managed to predict that they would – we were desperately short of funds to make repairs. As a result, taxes will have to go up, and public services may have to endure damaging cuts. Finally, when the time came to clear up the mess, he dithered and brooded while the stock market went into free fall and banks went to the wall.

Now he is using Iceland as his Thatcher Falklands Invasion, to redirect attention from his stuffups over the last 11 years. Brown has definately got mental problems, the pity is that the Tories are the only party that has the numbers to put enough pressure on him to go. Cameron is no where ready to take up the reins of England, unless he hires advisors with impecable qualifications for the job of fixing up Brown, Blairs and Darlings broken economy.

I really dont care how he goes, I just know that it has to happen very soon. New Labour are a Cancer on The Three Nations, and shouldnt have a future in Scotland. After Independence a Scottish Labour Party will need to be formed, but it has to be free of the scabs who have used their positions to feather their own mess/nest. Tommy Sheridan and ot
24

John S,

11/10/2008 08:17:43
#7:Richardinho, ref "bumblebee economics"
1.Dagur Eggertsson, a former mayor of Reykjavik, said: "Someone called it 'bumblebee economics' because it is hard to figure out how it flies, but it does, and very nicely, too." The bumblebee, though, like the billionaires who thought they could buy up the British high street, is no longer flying high.Saturday, October 4th, 2008
2.Outsiders have often wondered how the Icelandic economy really works. One called it "bumblebee economics" because it is hard to figure out how it flies.
3.18 May 2008 ... Yet there is no suggestion that the economic system itself is under .... If the bumblebee flies,if Iceland is the world's best place in ....
4.Icelanders will continue to receive not just free, top-class education but free, top-class healthcare, private medicine being limited in Iceland chiefly to luxury procedures, such as cosmetic surgery.
... Someone called it bumblebee economics: scientifically, aerodynamically, you cannot figure out how it flies, but it does, and very nicely, too.
25

Rufus T. Firefly,

11/10/2008 08:33:41
This board is a real hive of activity today.
26

AM2,

Scotland,UK 11/10/2008 08:36:35
I stand corrected.

One person, on one occasion, used the term "bumblebee economics".
27

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 11/10/2008 08:40:38
# 11 Aussie Jack where are you having that Johnnie Walker? I've got Chivas Regal & Glenfiddich but can't make up my mind on which to start with.
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11/10/2008 08:51:33
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

11/10/2008 08:52:03
Aye Labour Cooncils wi money eh ?
30

Unimpressed one,

11/10/2008 09:05:28
You think after the fiasco of councils losing millions by investing in BCCI, rules would have been in place to prevent them from 'gambling' with taxpayers cash. Seems when it comes to public finances nothing changes.
31

inkster,

Marykirk 11/10/2008 09:22:27
Why bother invading Iceland just repossess the island.

Smoked Puffin and a glass of Black Death anybody?
32

Kyle N Carrick,

11/10/2008 09:29:27
20. Rufus

I don't what is more laughable and sad.... that you expect us to believe that you, a sad social inadequate who is obsessed with and haunts these boards 24/7 under various monikers, could spare £15 from your incapacity benefit, that you had to buy 3 drinks with the attendant suggestion you have any friends, or that you are allowed out?
33

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 11/10/2008 09:34:14
The Blessed Alex's not saying much, is he? Am I correct in recalling that Iceland was one of his prime examples? Gas at a peep ... .
34

Kyle N Carrick,

11/10/2008 09:37:08
37. Did Brown not trumpet economic stability as his biggest achievement?
35

Kyle N Carrick,

11/10/2008 09:39:01
All this makes you wonder who has been in charge of financial service regulation for the past 11 years? Did Brown not restructure regulation of banks and financial services and set up a shiney new organisation to regulate them in his first month as chancellor? Tip top job.
36

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 11/10/2008 09:42:48
38

Why don't you answer my question, Kyle? I agree that Brown is as big a numpty as the Blessed.
37

Walter Ego,

Durness 11/10/2008 09:59:14
37 Mr Merchant, you are 100% correct. Where has he disappeared to?
38

Walter Ego,

Durness 11/10/2008 10:01:15
41 But Mr Salmond is a "qualified economist" - just like the "qualified economists" who have got us into this fine mess.

Qualified economist = spiv/speculator (sic).
39

Kyle N Carrick,

11/10/2008 10:01:16
41. New Labour and Brown collaborate in an illegal war in the middle-east, and then disown any responsibility for increasing oil prices....

New Labour instigate new stucture for and are responsible for financial regulations, but then disown any responsibility when their own regulations contribute to runs on banks....

Kweer street indeed.
40

karinxxx,

11/10/2008 10:10:17
wow how many crowing unionists are there on here revelling in a small country with the population of edinburgh going bust.

I have to ask is iceland now a third world country then because thats what the unionists said would happen to scotland.

Unioinsts will be laughing on the other side of their face when this credit crunch is over and icland bounces back because then you will have lost another one of your doomsday scenarios.
41

Walter Ego,

Durness 11/10/2008 10:10:19
44 Oil prices have collapsed as well. Discuss.
42

Walter Ego,

Durness 11/10/2008 10:12:32
45

Certainly not crowing about Iceland going bust but certainly crowing about Salmond appearing to have disappeared. Is he visiting Donald Trump?
43

karinxxx,

11/10/2008 10:15:04
what we need in scotland and indeed the world are ethical companies that dont put the money into making ever increasing amounts of money but use the money for the betterment of the areas surrounding their companies. The aim is still to make a profit but to use the profit to help people and make the buisness bigger to help more people. they are then measured on their success by wht they have done for their communities.

in effect a greed isnt good but helping everyone is not just the few fat cats.
44

The Strategist,

11/10/2008 10:17:22
#44

Good article here on the oil price issue and its consequences...

http://energy.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/868384/

45

Calum10,

11/10/2008 10:17:48
Banker: "Prime Minister I need some money."

Gordon Brown: "How much my good friend?"

Banker: "£500 billion at least"

Gordon Brown: "No problem. See Alistair Darling on the way out, he will sign a blank cheque for you."

Next day.

Charity Worker: "Prime Minister we desparately need cash or all our good works will suffer."

Gordon Brown: "Now is not a good time. I have sound bites to write."

Charity Worker: "You don't understand. The global banking system you were saying was sound has robbed us off our funds."

Gordon Brown: "Well you shouldn't believe every word I say. How much is it anyway?"

Charity Worker: "£120 million PM"

Gordon Brown: "NO WAY JOSE! Close the door on your way out."

46

Calum10,

11/10/2008 10:19:37
#46 OPEC has announced it will cut production to keep oil prices high.

Discuss.
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Aussie Jack,

Brisbane 11/10/2008 10:27:01
No 30. In the computer room. In my little house at 4107. When I can afford it I prefer Glenfiddich. With a fourex chaser, or two. What's all this financial nonsense they're talking aboot? They all need to sit quietly for a wee while, then retire to the Brekkie Creek or the Pineapple of the Norman for a refreshment.
48

Aussie Jack,

Brisbane 11/10/2008 10:33:43
30. I mean 4109. Or the Story Bridge or the Paddo or Broncos. Or the Irish Club in Elizabeth Street.
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Patrick O'Reilly,

Coatbridge 11/10/2008 10:35:33
The period of greed started in 1979 when the SNP colluded with the Tories and ousted the Labour government. You gave us Thatcher, you gave us greed.
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11/10/2008 10:36:45
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The Strategist,

11/10/2008 10:50:34
#51

They won't.
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Richardinho,

11/10/2008 10:59:22
#17 "Oh, and the term "bumblebee economy" was never used of Iceland. Google it!"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/3147866/Financial-crisis-Icelands-dreams-go-up-in-smoke.html

I have googled it, and I came up with this quote from the above:

' Dagur Eggertsson, a former mayor of Reykjavik, said: "Someone called it 'bumblebee economics' because it is hard to figure out how it flies, but it does, and very nicely, too." '

Maybe you spelled it wrong.
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Richardinho,

11/10/2008 11:07:31
The problem is that it wasn't just Iceland that was engaged in 'Bumblebee economics'. As it's turned out, the whole world was too. Iceland is the island out in the sea that is first to face the tidal wave, but it looks like the rest of us are going to feel it soon enough.
54

westview,

sunny Renfrewshire. 11/10/2008 11:27:14
Looks like Brown is in charge of th "Fat Cats Protection League". ie NEW Labour and its banking bed mates.
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ColinMz,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 11:33:51
During the cod war Iceland threatened to close a NATO - i.e. sell us out to the Soviet Union - so I hope Iceland goes down the tube and suffers badly - and no food aid for them - they've got enough fish.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 11:38:01
62 tommy

"What are charities doing investing money in dodgy places.?"

But that is the problem - they weren't as far as they were aware. The Icelandic banks were operating in the UK with a license from the FSA. Puting money into one of them was no different from putting it into the Clydesdaale bank which is Australian owned but has an FSA license for the UK.
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Richardinho,

11/10/2008 11:46:59
#64 'I hope Iceland goes down the tube and suffers badly'

That kind of spiteful hate-filled rant is so typical of you brits.
I wouldn't worry too much about the Icelanders- They're a hardy lot and have survived for hundreds of years in an apparently inhospitable environment.
It's going to be every man for himself in the next few years and at least Iceland can dig themselves out of this particular hole. As usual Scotland will be completely at the mercy of Westminster and will have to hope that they can do it for us.
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GEORGE KING,

DUMFRIES 11/10/2008 12:51:12
This financial crisis should never have been allowed to happen in the first place.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 11/10/2008 13:31:30
Nu Lab adopts Miltant tendency economics.

Del-boy Hatton must be laughing his heid off.

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Pilrig,

Livingston 11/10/2008 13:33:56
64 such is the compassion of some of Her Majesty's Britanic Kingdom's subject.
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11/10/2008 14:09:00
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Mcsnagpile,

11/10/2008 15:03:39
What is the surprise???-- The council et al did the same in 1987. A turnip is a turnip. The only thing to do now is fill yer drawer wae porridge. Iceland was far too big for it's igloo.
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weary observer,

Wisconsin USA 11/10/2008 16:45:03
There is a vast difference between those who truly live for God, and whose charity for others springs forth from that simple holy love, and those who live for this world and who belong to this world! Those who belong to God give out of their own substance, giving what they have out of even those things that are proper to their own existence because they see the greater need of another. Should unexpected gifts or wealth come into their hands, they quickly give it away, sending it 'ahead' where it earns heavenly dividends. God sees everything and rewards in His own way and time, such persons.

These foolish professional charities ought to learn a lesson from their huge losses: it is NOT yours to sit on, to keep and grow - it is given by others in good faith to help those who you SAY you intend to help - not to provide fat salaries for 'agency officials.'

It is no different here with our 'official charities.'

It seems charity has, as so many other formely good things, become a racket.
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notime4anovice,

glasgow 11/10/2008 17:53:06
#74 keep taking the tablets you will be ok.

#75 well said. That Murphy is creepier than Mandy.
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Kyle N Carrick,

11/10/2008 18:09:33
74. I have heard of folks like you.... you inhabit the internet, and quotinbg your own post, you go about "giving out your substance" and "coming into your hands"

Begone
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WL,

lovingston 11/10/2008 21:23:56
#12
Cats Protection has £11.2 million in Iceland. How much more money do they have elsewhere?
Should they not invest in cats, or are they an investment company?
68

SkeptikScot,

11/10/2008 22:11:04
#78
Oh, lets not use Iceland's economic collapse as a platform for criticising the Cats Protection League - they don't deserve it.

It's where I've got my mogs from, good people. Money comes in, they've got to put it somewhere until you put it into new cats homes etc. A savings account is not such a strange place.
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snoozyowl,

Wales 11/10/2008 22:21:59
The similarities between the Iceland thing and the Equitable Life disaster are striking. In both cases the government gave bad advice and then refused to use taxpayers' money to bail out those adversely affected. Do you think the government should stop giving financial advice? They clearly have no idea what's going on. It will always cost the taxpayer a fortune to fix.
70

WL,

livingston 11/10/2008 22:34:26
#79
Was I criticising Cats Protection? I am sure that they do a good job. But I only wondered how much money they have in various banks, I can not believe that all their deposits are in Iceland - that would not be very clever. So how much money do they have? According to their website the total income for 2007 was £35.3 million.
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sonofhamish,

edinburgh 12/10/2008 14:34:30
I am sure Salmon '3 jobs' will still be picking up his pay packet regardless of what happens to local finances.
72

TREV,

Poland 12/10/2008 14:39:32
Isn't it intersting how British Government money and charity money was considered safer in a foreign bank? Should anyone invest in a country which doesn't vote for Britain in Eurovision?
73

Thorne,

12/10/2008 15:45:54
Has anyone heard anything about Life assurance polices and if they have been affected by this mess
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 13/10/2008 00:01:15
Squawk ..Squawk...Squawk..

that's all U dudes do.

Very simple "Its all about money"

Attached to it is greed and more greed.

When the US farts the world gets diarrhea

When the US gets diarrhea the world goes to the brink and begins to crash.

Like "crash and burn baby"

Hey the US will come back stronger than ever .

Our money printing machines are the biggest and fastest and we don't give a rat's ass that happens outdside "from shinning sea to shinning sea"

Suck it up dudes and quit Ur whining.

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