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Published Date: 01 November 2008
WITH its peeling paint, cracked wash basins and stained Anaglypta wallpaper, the Bowhill War Memorial Hall in Cardenden is not the most likely of venues for political redemption. But it was here, just before midday yesterday, that Gordon Brown completed a remarkable transition.
Just a month ago, as the Prime Minister arrived in Manchester for the Labour conference, senior party figures were calling openly for a leadership challenge. The clear belief was that it was a question of "when" not "if" Mr Brown was forced out of office.

An eve-of-conference poll predicted a thumping 150-seat majority for David Cameron in a general election, and the SNP was a red-hot 2/9 favourite to win the Glenrothes by-election.

It is a clear indication of how much has changed that, by the time the Prime Minister entered the tatty, single-storey hall in the old Fife mining town, just a couple of miles from his own constituency, the by-election had become too tight to call.

Only three weeks ago, the bookmaker William Hill was offering 3/1 on Labour winning Glenrothes. Back then, Mr Brown was still sticking by the "convention" that prime ministers do not campaign in by-elections.

Yesterday, as he made his second visit to the constituency, William Hill said the race was so close, it had Labour and the SNP tied on 5/6.

"This is one of the most spectacular comebacks in political betting history," said spokesman Rupert Adams. "We could soon be calling Gordon the comeback king."

The party's revival comes on the back of the Prime Minister's success in being seen as a steady and experienced figure in times of turmoil. Indeed, as the economic crisis has deepened, so Mr Brown has prospered.

At the Manchester conference, he was edgy, defensive and moody – understandably so. But yesterday, when he rose to speak to the voters of Glenrothes, he was relaxed, confident and jokey.

He spoke, as a Fifer, about Cardenden and Kirkcaldy High School, about John Thomson, the Celtic goalkeeper from Cardenden who died during an Old Firm match in 1931, and he joked about his beloved Raith Rovers.

He was applauded when he came in and when he left, having spent 45 minutes sitting at every table, hearing about all the gripes and grievances, from fuel prices to bus timetables, and he promised that each one would get an answer.

"I was thinking of voting SNP," said retired home-carer Jeanette Hoggan, from East Wemyss, but she would now be returning to Labour. "I thought maybe they (the SNP] could make a difference and I do back independence. But I was very impressed with Lindsay Roy (the Labour candidate] and I thought the Prime Minister was very good.

"I think their policies are quite good, particularly dealing with young people and antisocial behaviour."

Adele Shanks, 44, a biology teacher in Kirkcaldy, used to be one of the large apathetic minority who never bothered to vote.

She went along to yesterday's meeting because of Mr Roy, who is the headteacher at Kirkcaldy High School, where she works as a supply teacher. Indeed, she did not know she was going to hear the Prime Minister and was only told when she walked through the hall's doors.

Ms Shanks spoke to Mr Roy and Mr Brown from her seat under a school-type blackboard, inscribed by the Labour candidate with his four-point action plan (antisocial behaviour, opportunities for young people, sorting out the buses and helping Fife families).

She said: "I am impressed with Lindsay and I have seen the difference he has made since he has been at Kirkcaldy High School, the difference he has made to the pupils and the respect they have for their families.

"This is the first time I have felt so strongly (about voting]. This will be my first time. I have never been interested in politics before."

Labour managers claimed before yesterday's event that Mr Brown would be meeting "wavering" voters, members of the electorate who had yet to make up their minds about who they would vote for. This turned out to be some way from the truth, as almost everyone there was already a diehard Labour supporter.

Hamish Lindsay, a pensioner from Leven, was typical of many when said he would be voting "socialist, Labour", and berated Alex Salmond and the SNP for trying to make Mr Brown the issue, rather than independence.

"The people of Fife will not be part of this Alex Salmond ego trip," he said.

Ms Shanks and Ms Hoggan represented the few real wavering voters there while a minister from Auchterarder, the Rev Mitchell Collins, was the only one willing to say he was definitely voting for the Nationalists.

Mr Collins said: "I liked the Prime Minister and I thought Lindsay Roy was fine, but I am a big fan of Alex Salmond. Alex Salmond can speak to the Scottish people better than any other of the leaders in Scotland.

"Brown is best for Britain and no-one can hold a candle to him, but I still think Salmond is better for Scotland."

The Liberal Democrats and the Tories have fought hard to get noticed in this campaign. Both have brought up their national leaders in an attempt to push their way into the contest, but it is really a straight fight between Labour and the SNP.

One of the reasons Mr Brown did not go to Glasgow East was that he did not want to get involved in a political street brawl with Mr Salmond because that would have elevated the First Minister to prime ministerial level.

But Glenrothes is different. Mr Brown knew John MacDougall, the Labour MP for Glenrothes who died in the summer, very well, and he knows Fife very well. This really is his home turf so, despite the risk of a confrontation with Mr Salmond, the Prime Minister went to Glenrothes, and went to Glenrothes again.

Nobody is willing to predict what will happen next Thursday. Mr MacDougall won the seat with a 10,664 majority in 2005, but the Nationalists took the overlapping constituency of Central Fife at the Scottish elections in 2007.

Three weeks ago, Glenrothes was a virtual lost cause as far as Labour was concerned, as was the Prime Minister.

Next Thursday, Labour may win and it may lose, but, either way, not only has the party made a fight of this contest at last, but Mr Brown's future no longer hangs on the outcome.

Candidates focus on energy and post offices

ALEX Salmond called on the people of Glenrothes yesterday to use their vote to demand cheaper energy.

Joining SNP candidate Peter Grant at Stuarts Bakers in Buckhaven, Mr Salmond urged voters not to let energy bills scare them on Halloween.

He also demanded action from Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, to bring bills down this winter.

The First Minister said he wanted to see a VAT holiday on fuel bills this winter, plus £100 more for pensioners and a cut in VAT on energy efficiency measures.

Mr Salmond said: "People in Glenrothes can send a shockwave to London and win action on energy bills this winter.

"Gordon Brown put this by-election off for as long as he could, and I think that decision will come back to haunt him, as voters are reminded that Labour have done nothing to help bring energy costs down."

Mr Grant added: "Instead of being scared by the energy bills thudding through the door this Halloween, people in Glenrothes must use their votes to demand cheaper energy.

"Instead of promising cheap energy tomorrow it's time Gordon Brown did something about it today. The SNP wants to see real action to help families through the winter."

Liberal Democrat candidate Harry Wills demanded action from Labour to save threatened local post offices.

Mr Wills said: "Only the Liberal Democrats have consistently fought to save the Post Office, understanding they are the very heart of our local communities."

Maurice Golden, the Conservative candidate, also attacked Labour over post office closures, claiming Labour had closed 3,000 post offices and was preparing to axe another 2,500.


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1

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 01/11/2008 00:13:23

Mr MacDonnell I hope Brown washed his a**e today because you certainly kissed it .
2

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 00:14:31
Sorry Hamish, I can't hear you.

Remove your tongue from Broons fundament before posting please.
3

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 00:15:06
Beat me to it Marky :-(
4

Steve,

Glenrothes 01/11/2008 00:17:41
If it's any consolation, the Scotsman also backed Labour to win in Dunfermline, and in Glasgow East. It got both predictions badly wrong. Lets make it a threesome.
5

Dave Gordon.,

01/11/2008 00:21:47
"Only three weeks ago, the bookmaker William Hill was offering 3/1 on Labour winning Glenrothes. "

Those were the odds on SNP winning. See http://www.oddpolitics.com for details of movement in bookies odds for the last few weeks.
6

Punta Prima,

BALERNO 01/11/2008 00:24:42
This is not a newspaper it is a Labour Party propaganda sheet.
Sincerely hope it's circulation collapses.
7

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 01/11/2008 00:24:49
The Scotsman or should i say the anti Scottish Gordon Brown and Nulabour mouth piece. Not exactly balanced political reporting. However despite Unionist papers like you i expect the Glenrothes people to vote for someone who will actualy represent their interests. SNP
8

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 00:26:05
"Next Thursday, Labour may win and it may lose, but, either way, not only has the party made a fight of this contest at last, but Mr Brown's future no longer hangs on the outcome."

That's no whit Ah've heard.
9

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 00:27:54
"He spoke, as a Fifer".

Changed his accent back did he?
10

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 00:29:13
"We could soon be calling Gordon the comeback king."

More likely - the HAS BEEN KID.
11

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 01/11/2008 00:30:36
I never buy this paper but I like the comments pages for the Banter with all the Onionists

However this article is bad if you typed sychophantic Labour Drivel into google I bet this article ( If you can call it that ) would come up
12

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 00:30:45
"... as the economic crisis has deepened, so Mr Brown has prospered."

Aye - funny that init? No for long though. The truth is out.

13

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 00:35:25
5
Dave, doesn't that make his article even more risible when viewed in context? :-)

"Yesterday, as he made his second visit to the constituency, William Hill said the race was so close, it had Labour and the SNP tied on 5/6."

Broon visits, and the support drops from a mythical 3/1 to 5/6

LOL.
14

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 00:35:45
"Labour managers claimed before yesterday's event that Mr Brown would be meeting "wavering" voters, members of the electorate who had yet to make up their minds about who they would vote for. This turned out to be some way from the truth, as almost everyone there was already a diehard Labour supporter."

What? Truth in journalism? Naw - just a wee attempt at authenticity fae John Smith House.

15

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 01/11/2008 00:36:50

no 9

LOL If you pay attention to him he realy does that and changes his accent back and forth usualy south of the forth

And what is it about his new style with the hand gestures it would seem Labour have appointed Dr Magnus Pyke as an adviser if the good Dr is Dead it would seem Gordon is watching too much TV he does not understand or maybe he has bought a box set of cd's looking for a role model
16

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 00:39:23
14
Well, he has the "slavering" voters then.

17

subrosa,

01/11/2008 00:42:50
With courtesy of Guido Fawkes:

Gordon has just told BBC News that he can go on a spending splurge because:
"National debt is low and we're able to borrow to do it."

This is just delusional, he has run up the debt burden on his decade of unfunded spending, we have the biggest national deficit of all time, the books have never been so unbalanced as they are now.

He fiddles the statistics, we know that, the Office of National Statistics even says so. Journalists know it. His own cabinet knows it. The Civil Service knows it. The City knows it. Foreign investors know it.

This is why the pound has plunged against almost everything apart from the Icelandic Krona.
18

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 00:43:17
16 - Conan the Librarian™, 01/11/2008 00:39:23

I'm keeping an eye on that "other" thread in the hope that it doesn't get bored and go walkabouts. It's being "engaged" - so we can expect that thread to be gone by morning.
19

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 00:44:42
17 - subrosa, 01/11/2008 00:42:50

He's a bad man.
20

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 00:54:12
18
The things you do for your country...;-)
21

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 00:59:42
I am undecided about Brown. Clearly he l u s t s after power - and yet once he has it - he doesn't know what to do with it - or did he? Has Brown an undisclosed agenda? What is his ultimate goal?

It would take a blind man not to see that the next few(?) years will be hellish bad. Most politicians knowing that would arrange a GE with the purpose of losing - so they could blame the opposition for the carnage they created. But not Brown - he clings to power like a drowning man clings to anything that floats. A strange psychology.
22

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 01:00:39
20 - Conan the Librarian™, 01/11/2008 00:54:12

Indeed - LoL.
23

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 01:03:04
Look out - it may be on the prowl.
24

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 01:08:02
15Marky Bhoy, Dunfermline 01/11/2008 00:36:50

Sorry for not responding sooner - I am distracted tonight.

Re: his accent

Aye - a wee bit like how Ah post sometimes - but different. Most Scots can alter their accent - removing dialect - when it interferes with communicating with someone furth of Scotland. But would you do that with fellow Scots? Aye - but they'd consider ye a bam. And rightly so.
25

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 01/11/2008 01:10:53

24
thanks but he move from Broad Fife to North British no doubt today it was broad Fife
26

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 01:14:29
25 - Marky Bhoy, Dunfermline 01/11/2008 01:10:53

Ah'd love tae get a tape ae that and broadcast it oan "You Tube" ( this directed at Gaga Broon).
27

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 01:15:11
Ah post in Scots tae.

Or is it in Sco'ish?

Language is a living thing.

Our bairns are being Americanised, but they come up with local slang (for the want of a better word)

Just like their greatgrandparents.
28

Dave Gordon.,

http://www.oddpolitics.com 01/11/2008 01:15:30
13 Conan

"Broon visits, and the support drops from a mythical 3/1 to 5/6"

That's what it looks like, according to the article! Some research would have been a good idea (or maybe just a check on what the numbers mean).
29

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 01:26:22
27 - Conan the Librarian™, 01/11/2008 01:15:11

I post in Scots to make a point. At school I wasn't allowed to use Scots words - that was the language of the gutter I was told. Our weans have been reared on a diet of southern English, American English, and now American black ghetto speak - or "Ebonics" as the urban population sometimes calls it there.

There is no orthography for the Scots tongue, and Scots are unused to seeing it in print. It sometimes seems to be only relevant for humorous discourse and unsuitable for more "serious" discussion. It's a shame to lose this language - but it has become so debased that its demise is inevitable.

This makes me sad.
30

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 01:29:19
28
Dave
Cut'n'paste journalism, coupled with an editorial directive to hammer the SNP.

They get paid by the yard apparently.

What would Paul Foot have said?
31

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 01:38:09
29
There is hope for the Scots tung.

The internet.

I, merely through opposing "dead language" posts, have picked up a suprising amount of Klingon...Duj HvoqtaH!
32

Edward,

01/11/2008 01:48:33
Again exactly the same story in the Times 'by' Angus McLeod. Why is that? Probably because its the same Labour press breifing to its lapdog journos!
33

Edward,

01/11/2008 01:51:34
I find it sad that there is so much slavish support by this and other picked journalists in certain papers, in support of Labour
Thankfully with the internet, the truth can be accessed more easily, which is why Labour really dont like these forums as they have no control over them. Apart from when no comment is allowed, which happens in the Herald more frequently
34

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 01:56:40
33
Good Morning Col.

A large application of SNP White papers should see him off.
35

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01/11/2008 01:57:13
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An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 01:57:51
31 - Conan the Librarian™, 01/11/2008 01:38:09

Looks like Slavic. I'm starting to pick up some Portuguese through translating Fado for my sister. It's amazing how other peoples react to the call of the nation. Watch this video and see how the audience react to the words:

Gente da minha terra - Oh People of my Land

tinyurl.com/66yfdk
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Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 02:09:31
Nice song, pretty face An beal bacht...

...Unfortunately, my first thought was Pawn to Kings pawn 43.
38

Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 02:11:08
Kings pawn 4 of course.Cringe.

39

subrosa,

01/11/2008 02:15:23
'while a minister from Auchterarder, the Rev Mitchell Collins, was the only one willing to say he was definitely voting for the Nationalists.'

Good for the Rev Collins. Brave man.

40

Castaway™ ,

01/11/2008 02:21:24
Brown completed a remarkable transition,in the past month he has been called the saviour,the magician and the redeemer.
41

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 02:31:47
38Conan the Librarian™, 01/11/2008 02:09:31

Ach - Yer an ignoramus so ye are.

O Gente da minha terra

Lyrics by Amália Rodrigues

É meu e vosso este fado
destino que nos amarra
por mais que seja negado
às cordas de uma guitarra ?
Sempre que se ouve um gemido
duma guitarra a cantar
?fica-se logo perdido
?com vontade de chorar?
Ó genta da minha terra ?
agora é que eu percebi
esta tristeza que trago
foi de vós que a recebi
?E pareceria ternura
?se eu me deixasse embalar
era maior a amargura
menos triste o meu cantar ?
Ó genta da minha terra
?Ó genta da minha terra
?agora é que eu percebi
esta tristeza que trago
foi de vós que a recebi

Traanslate it yersel ye Philistine.
42

brownlie,

01/11/2008 02:32:28
41 Castaway

No he's not, HE'S A VERY NAUGHTY BOY!
43

brownlie,

01/11/2008 02:36:02
42 An beal bachd

Should there not be a Ben instead of a question mark before "fica" - I think I'm getting the hang of this Portugese!
44

An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 02:37:47
44brownlie, 01/11/2008 02:36:02

Ach - Ah'm surrounded and Ah aint got a chance.
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jimboo,

here 01/11/2008 02:37:57
Brown had no intention of visiting Glenrothes until it became clear that Labour's internal polls showed they were going to win the seat. People make three mistakes in looking at the by election. The first is compairing it with Glasgow east, no sleaze attacherd to John MacDougall, compairing it to Tricia Marwicks seat, the inclusion of Brown Country, that is Cardenden wipes out that advantage, the SNP candidates, Glasgow East very popular councillor, Fife very unpopular councillor. The Banking crisis was a bonus but may not have been needed. Still a few days to go but I got 3/1 on Labour and 1/1 on the snp so I cant lose.
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Castaway™ ,

01/11/2008 02:54:23
#43 brownlie.I agree,his motto should be "In Gordon We Trust"
#46jimboo.The problem with Gordon Brown is his dislike of voting contests that is unless he can control the outcome.
It seems he is confident of Labour winning in Glenrothes.
1994 He didn't stand for the Labour Party leadership because of the rumoured pact with Tony Blair.
2007 He made sure his take over from Tony was viturally unopposed.
2007 He broke the 2005 Labour manifesto on the EU referendum
2007 He got cold feet and didn't hold a Autumn 2007 general election.
2008 Asked whether he was planning to visit Glasgow East, Mr Brown said: "I have made that clear.It's not the tradition of prime ministers to go to by- elections." Tony Blair as PM visited 3 by-elections.
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An Beal Bacht,

01/11/2008 02:59:34
There seems to be a consensus the His Brooness has been assured the seat will fall to Labour. What then to make of the article appearing here yesterday:

Inside Westminster - SNP and Labour agree on one thing for poll
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01/11/2008 04:36:56
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 01/11/2008 04:40:34
Not for the first time I have to ask "Is this article for real ?" ha ha
One of the best quotes yet "I thought maybe they (the SNP] could make a difference and I do back independence. But I was very impressed with Lindsay Roy (the Labour candidate] and I thought the Prime Minister was very good"
Utter Labour unionist propaganda ! No other way to put it.
The impressed with Lindsay Roy bit was just a tad too far to be believable ha ha ha
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donald,

glasgow 01/11/2008 04:46:29
"Socialist" Labour Party? Who really wrote this rubbish: Mandelson or Murphy?
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Angleland Isover,

01/11/2008 06:23:37
Along with most people yesterday I thought I was still dreaming when I read some balanced reporting in this paper re "inside westminster". Today I must be truly awake because its back to the usual brownnosing P!sh.
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Geoff,

sa 01/11/2008 06:57:09
Greetings from a wet Durban! Two comments-no matter what u think of the article. There are SNP voters who do not support independence and Labour voters who do-the Nat-Unionist divide is not strictly on party lines. Secondly,people say things to be polite when they are having tea or a pint with the PM or FirstM but in the privacy of the voting booth...
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01/11/2008 06:57:12
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Geoff,

sa 01/11/2008 06:59:13
Howsit Conan,Brownlie,Blimp-where's my friend AM2?
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Geoff,

sa 01/11/2008 07:06:12
54 sm 7531-ah yes, but the masses are fickle. A pretty face, a nice smile, a newspaper headline or a grandfatherly figure can sway such voters.
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Thomas1,

// 01/11/2008 07:07:15
I sometimes fell sorry for Mr Brown-
(the prime minister beleive it or not) on the one hand he's being savaged by the SNP and on the other hand by the Tories and at the same time, repair the economic damage that he created himself in order to make him look like flash gordon,pull the other one flash.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 01/11/2008 07:18:28
#55 Geoff

How you doing? I'm pretty much disengaged from newspaper forums these days. Don't have the time anymore. Still keeping my own blog going.
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Walter Ego,

Durness 01/11/2008 07:34:27
The good people of Glenrothes will send the SNP packing.
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01/11/2008 07:39:32
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01/11/2008 07:42:56
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01/11/2008 07:47:55
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01/11/2008 07:50:49
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Angleland Isover,

01/11/2008 07:54:07
If he used Scotlands oil to build an oil fund instead of wasting it he wouldnt have to go tapping other oil rich countries.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 01/11/2008 08:01:17
How did I know before I even clicked on the headline that this would be a Hamish Macdonell story?
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Cadgers,

Perth 01/11/2008 08:03:07
Well, that was nauseating. I think you've excelled yersel here Hamish.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

01/11/2008 08:11:59
I see the Hootsmon and their prize imbecile, Hamish are still publishing the betting LIE.

Hamish, you really are an odious creature.
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Geoff,

sa 01/11/2008 08:14:08
62 sm7531-yes US politicking is an absolute circus. Amazing-a country that has so much talent, so much potential for the good, and the best they can do is George Bush! Or more to the point,chose George bush over the cerebral Al Gore. Every time I look at George Bush I think of Alfred E. Neuman!!
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Geoff,

sa 01/11/2008 08:16:38
58 AM2-nice to hear u are well and still with us. havent seen your blog but will make a point of visiting it.
Rgrds
Geoff
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01/11/2008 08:21:50
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 01/11/2008 08:30:14
Sometimes I think the franchise is set WAY to wide. Are there really so many STUPID people believe this man? Obviously, and there appears to be a significant cluster living in Glenrothes.Er, Mrs. Hogan, it's Labour that has wrecked the economy. It's Labour that have got us to the situation where you probably don't feel safe at night because of anti-social behaviour. And you believe the psychotic bottle-merchant, Broon, when he tells you he is going to sort out the mess of HIS making? And can you believe, a 44 year old teacher who is so apathetic she has never bothered to vote before? And we trust her to teach biology to our kids. No wonder our science base is slowly eroding. No wonder this country is fcuked.
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01/11/2008 08:31:31
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 08:32:02
#70 You mean Robert Mugabe, Salmonds penfriend?

Dear Robert Mugabe

Scotland wants to be a nuclear free country. Please ignore the fact that we have a nuclear submarine base. I felt it very important you should know this. In the mean time please continue with the mass rape and pillaging of your country.

Yours sincerely

Alex Salmond (Future king of Scotland)
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 08:37:31
I see the Snp website Homepage now has links to William Hills and Ladbrokes so the Natz can bet on the Snp on the internet.

Just shows how desperate they have become.
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pehman,

sussex 01/11/2008 08:39:20

Jimboo 46,

Sorry Jimboo, if slab internal polling was showing a slab victory - then maggie broon would be riding around in an open top bus, not skulcking in corners of the constiuency with hand picked groups of supporters.

SNP win by 5,000 +
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 08:44:16
I put a £10 treble on this morning.

1)Elvis to be found alive.

2)A London Bus to be found on the moon.

3)The Snp to win in Glenrothes.

I am pretty confident with the first 2 legs of the bet.

The 3rd one however seems a bit less than likely.
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01/11/2008 08:46:37
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 08:48:35
I cant wait to get campaigning in Glenrothes today and tomorrow.

I look forward to meeting you all.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 08:55:30
Hamish MacDonnel

Another great article.

Well written, concise and extremely interesting.

I have to say that when you appear on the BBC Holyrood Live to pass comment it is always very insightful.

Please Keep up this high level of impartial journalism.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 08:58:26
83 London is a great place.

You should try it some day.

For you I would recommend a visit to Soho.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 09:01:24
#84 Thats great news. It Means all these Snp losers that are putting their £10 bets on a Glenrothes win, are paying their money straight to Alistair Darling.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

01/11/2008 09:02:49
#77

I've just had a look at the SNP homepage. www.snp.org

Guess what - NO links to Bookies websites.

Not only do you write utter drivel, you lie like a New Labour Sleaze politician.

Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland.
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TWC,

Ayrshire 01/11/2008 09:07:54
Nothing the Press can do can save Labour, the staged visits continue even David Cameron is stressing that he will meet the real voters.
Brown talks gobble di Gook but says nothing about what he will do for Scotland,
It is really sad that the Labour party are like foreigners in Scotland.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

01/11/2008 09:10:44
One or two reasons to vote SNP.

1. Gold fire sale.
2. Pension theft.
3. Northern Rock.
4. Millennium Dome.
5. Cash for honours.
6. Shambolic immigration/asylum policies.
7. No European referendum as promised.
8. Illegal Iraqi war.
9. Trident replacement.
10. London Olympics.
11. Inadequately supplied troops
12. PFI/PPP debt for years.
13. Swearing allegiance to Britain by school kids. (Not mine!)
14. ID cards.
15. NHS computerisation shambles.
16. Child tax credit shambles.
17. Child Support Agency
18. Scottish Election shambles (Dougie Alexander).
19. Economy in meltdown.
20. 24 hour drinking. (Keep the peasants pie-eyed and they’ll vote for us, just like their dads did).
21. Dr David Kelly
22. Westminster expense cover up
23. "British Jobs for British workers."
24. Privatisation of air traffic control
25. Giving director of CBI a ministerial job...
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Jimmy Le Pie,

01/11/2008 09:11:38
One or two more reasons to Vote SNP.

26. Dungavel detention centre for children of asylum seekers
27. Failing to vote on, or offer alternative or amendments to, the Scottish budget
28. Voting to keep graduate endowment.
29. Collaboration with rendition/ torture.
30. 12,000 redundancies at the DWP.
31. Closing Remploy factories a cost of 1000s jobs for the disabled.
32. Millionaire's inheritance tax cut.
33. Tuition fees.
34. Means testing benefits for the old.
35. Annexed 6000 Square Miles of Scottish Territorial Waters
36. Continued Theft of Scottish Oil & Gas
37. Constitutional Review (oops Commission)
38. Fly British Flag from public buildings
39. Destruction of Scottish Fishing Industry
40. 'Independent' Electoral Commission
41. Reduced funding for Scotland
42. Invest heavily in London infrastructure -e.g. High speed rail, Heathrow,
43. Nepotism and cronyism on a grand scale.

44. Massive closures of Scottish Post Offices
45. Lose BP Hydrogen Plant @ Peterhead
46. Catalogue of top rated Wendy you-tube videos.
47. Refuse to investigate death of Willie McRae.
48. Refuse to create an Independent Scottish Labour Party
49. Catch Phrases/Spin e.g.” Whiter than white, Purer than pure”, "McChattering Classes", "CyberNat" and "Ranting Bloggers"
50. 20% Scots in relative poverty and increasing- tinyurl.com/2klhdm
51. Massive election frauds in Birmingham and other places (judge described as being like "banana republic" corruption)
52. The £400 million over-run on the parliament building.
53. Tony Blair comparing the Scottish parliament to a parish council.
54. Dressing taxes up as Green taxes and not spending the proceeds on the environment
55. Hammering high profit oil companies with high corporation tax but not his friends in the higher profit financial sector
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roughrider,

Glasgow 01/11/2008 09:12:34
This is nothing but a feed of sh*te from the broon nosing jouros at the hootsmon.
This rag has a brassneck to call it self a newspaper
it is nothing more than a liebour rag spewing absolute drivel on behalf of a liar who wont take resposibility for destroying the economy. A useless fat idiot who hasnt a fcukin clue of what the people of Scotland want.Broon you are a traitor ,a pox on you and all your pathetic little quislings.
Ruffus t is just a pathetic example of a liebour lap dug, nowt to offer but insults ,a bit like Broon on Scotland.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 01/11/2008 09:12:46
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I note that you're trying to claim that the Norwegian ambassador's inevitable letter demonstrates that the Daily Mail published a "false story".

But that spin obviously ignores various direct quotes by their Foreign Minister which were in no way subject to the Mail's editorialising. For example:

* Comparisons between Norway and Scotland have “some clear limitations” (the most obvious example of which would be that Norway has about twice as much oil as the UK).

* Infrastructure development meant that it took the Norwegian oil industry 20+ years to generate a surplus.

* Even in Norway, very little such oil and gas revenue makes it into the exchequer. (The obvious implication is that even if a proportionally smaller futures fund was to be to be established here, we couldn’t rely on such revenues to remain in fiscal balance.)

* Direct quote: “the Norwegian government has not bailed out any banks”. For obvious diplomatic reasons the Norwegian Ambassador is duty-bound to downplay and indeed deny the implication of that remark, but the fact remains that it runs counter to Alex Salmond’s reported version of events.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

01/11/2008 09:17:38
Could any Unionist poster on here please explain how the Pound has fallen against all other world currencies except the North Korean WON and the Zimbabwean Dollar?

Take your time


Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland.
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Mikey,

01/11/2008 09:21:48
AM2, have you read post #99? Care to comment?
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Queen D,

Glasgow 01/11/2008 09:26:30
Hey Hamish , I tried to post a bet in William Hill yesterday, thanks to the Scotsman accusing the SNP of exhorting people to do so!
However William Hill double checked and told me they werent taking any bets on the Glenrothes by election.
So , Hamish , how come this paper ran such a story?
And does it actrually know where I CAN place a bet ?
BTW this article is nauseating!
Did someone mention our Norwegian friends?
Why did they come up?
Oh, so we can reprint the first one AM2 and ignore the second one eh?
See cut n' paste you taught the rest of us well and we can now cut n' paste too!
BTW did I post this neat little reference??
Anybody who believes the piece of " journalism " above should visit this,
http://tinyurl.com/5b2yoz.
ENJOY!
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tartan army 2222,

01/11/2008 09:28:11
Hamish McDonnell needs to sit down and have a serious look at why he became a journalist. I'm not sure he understands the meaning of impartiality and objectivity. Why not mention Sturgeon standing in the local shopping centre for five hours chatting to passing shoppers? That would at least have gone some way to achieving the two listed objectives. As it stands this is simply a New Labour propaganda piece and as such carries no weight. A shame but this is a prime example of why the Scotsman's readership is falling rapidly.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 09:31:05
#89 Jimmy Le Pie.

You never really went to the Snp website to check for links to William Hills and Ladbrokes?

Oh dear Oh dear.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 09:34:26
106 Tartan Army.

Did Nicola Sturgeon really stand for 5 hours talking to passing shoppers?

On Halloween?

What a frightening experience that must have been.
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Marian,

01/11/2008 09:34:31
The whole of the New Labour spin doctoring machine has been thrown against the SNP during the run-up to the Glenrothes by-election. day after day we have had New Labour and their media acolytes telling lies after lies that go unchallenged.

The latest one via the Daily Mail was that Norway was "fed up with the SNP comparing an independent Scotland to Norway". Thankfully we have blogs that search for the truth and the story in the Daily Mail has been exposed as a complete fabrication by no less a person than the Norwegian Foreign Minister see http://truthaboutsco
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Another recent revelation about Gordon Brown's “economy with the truth” came in the Times of London on 18 October where Brown's claims to be the originator of the “big idea” to nationalize the troubled banks was in fact a plan that Alistair Darling's team at the Treasury produced based upon an earlier similar plan executed by Sweden. In fact the UK plan was delayed by Brown's dithering and having to be dragged kicking and screaming to the point of agreeing to adopt it.

Before that Brown was repeatedly claiming that the crisis to the UK economy and banking system had been imported from the USA, but it has now emerged that one in every five of the UK's mortgages are sub-prime. Northern Rock was the first bank to fall foul of this mis-selling of these sub-prime mortgages. This practice has its origins in Brown's messianic zeal to get so-called “first time buyers” on to the property ladder by over-stretching their financial ability to pay their mortgages.

Recently Brown also tried to re-write history by making the outrageous assertion that he had never claimed to have “ended the cycle of boom and bust” yet there overwhelming written evidence of speeches he has given in the past 11 years where he used those exact words.

Now he is seeking to position himself as leading a one-man campaign to bring in tougher regulation of the
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Marian,

01/11/2008 09:34:52
continued........

Now he is seeking to position himself as leading a one-man campaign to bring in tougher regulation of the financial services industry, but again there is overwhelming evidence in his speeches and writings over the past 11 years that he wanted little or no regulation. Since Brown took control of the UK economy in 1997, debt for individuals (as opposed to government debt) has almost trebled to £1,580 billion which is more than the UK’s total economic output. It is the highest household borrowing that Britain or any G7 country has ever seen. The lending nevertheless carried on recklessly under Brown. The tripartite structure of regulators he set up did not properly monitor how such financial institutions might find the money. Under Brown the UK recklessly allowed its own banks to become the most leveraged of any in Europe other than Iceland. For an expose of this lie see http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=qHqrBb-nRb
s&eurl=http://www.or
der-order.com/

There is no doubt that Gordon Brown is personally to blame for Britain's desperate economic situation, and should not be let off the hook by the voters of Glenrothes allowing New Labour to win the by-election.
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01/11/2008 09:38:12
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Jimmy Le Pie,

01/11/2008 09:39:20
#107

I always check the SNP website daily as I am a member.

Remind me, what party are you a member of???
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Rodster,

Glasgow 01/11/2008 09:49:05
If the SNP manage to win this seat from a 10,000+ majority after everything the Labour party and their sycophantic media has thrown at the electorate then it is time to prepare for Independence.
even if Labour do manage to hold on , all they are doing is holding up the inevitable .
In england the groundswell against Labour is reaching fever pitch .
all the "good will" to Brown is evaporating and soon it will be back to a Tory landslide come the GE .
when that happens the skint Labour party will neither have the resources or manpower to stage much of a campaign in Scotland
as is the Westminster way all their meagre resource will go into winning seats in Engerlund.
we have waited over 300 hundred years , a couple more is no difference
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 01/11/2008 09:51:49
The guy only ever becomes happy when a) he is shafting Scotland for having the temerity to vote against him and his predatory policies b) he is up to his armpits in debt.

The latest and greatest exploit to beg money from Arabs shows us quite clearly where he's from. An oil-rich nation begging off other oil-rich nations? Nuts. Check out Norway's £1 trillion oil fund put away for a rainy day. You won't see them running off to potentially hostile countries looking for a bailout.

This cowardly fool and the rest of them just need to be ousted and quickly before too much more damage gets done.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 09:59:50
115 Jimmy. The only party I am a member of is the Snp.

I can assure you that I am not joking.
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Itchy,

01/11/2008 10:09:11
"Hamish Lindsay, a pensioner from Leven, was typical of many when said he would be voting "socialist, Labour"

Indeed. His father voted socialist and so does he. Typical of what is wrong with Scotland.
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Itchy,

01/11/2008 10:12:31
#68 " Or more to the point,chose George bush over the cerebral Al Gore"

Al Gore is considerably thicker than George W Bush.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 01/11/2008 10:18:14
Last night I had a dream - that The Scotsman was a newspaper.

This morning I woke up to the horrible realisation that my dream was of what the paper used to be and that my hopes for some honest journalism had been dashed as they are on a daily basis when reading this hardline unionist propaganda rag.
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Finnzz,

01/11/2008 10:25:08
It would appear that the only reason that Brown has appeared at the Glenrothes hustings is to garner even more ideas from Salmond.
First we had the roving cabinet meetings, then we had the short-selling ban and now we have the UK Government looking for investment from the Middle Eastern countries.

The man hasn't an original thought in his head.

you couldn't make it up
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Thomas1,

// 01/11/2008 10:27:09
Does anybody know who will replacing Gordon Brown after this by-election and what will happen to him?
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brownlie,

01/11/2008 10:46:43
128 sm7531/2

Yes, just what the Scotsman needs - someone who has done more damage to unionism than Thatcher..
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brownlie,

01/11/2008 10:48:28
He could become the new James Bond - "The Man who Saved the World - again"
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 10:50:50
123 sm 7531/2,01/11/2008 10:15:49
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And what does the SNP stand for with the party you are affiliated to?

THe same one that you are a member of.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 10:54:06
130 brownlie,01/11/2008 10:48:28
He could become the new James Bond - "The Man who Saved the World - again"

And Salmond could get the part of Blofeld.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 11:03:13
Well I am a member of the Scottish National Party.

Also to make it clear, I am not a member of any other party.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 01/11/2008 11:03:42
I was fully expecting an announcement that the numbers of SNP supporters coming over to Labour were now being counted in the thousands and that an SNP 'insider' was voicing fears about lost deposits etc

Sad really.

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Lance Boyle,

Linlithgow 01/11/2008 11:17:40
The shallowness of the SNP is exposed. Labour hold.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 11:21:13
137 Think I will announce that on here?

Whats your name and address and phone number?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

01/11/2008 11:26:00
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Because I like to know whats going on.

Nothing more.
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Tom R,

01/11/2008 11:38:36
This is a desperate article by MacDonnell-clear evidence that Labour expect to lose Glenrothes.
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scottish person,

paisley 01/11/2008 12:14:23
Am2 and bring em on, please make yourself known at Glenrothes when you are canvassing. I would love to shake you by the (neck) sorry hand. Rufus I have a nice little fly swatter for you too.
Hamish McDonnel is not a journalist. He should be working for the Sun or the Record.
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brownlie,

01/11/2008 12:18:18
141 Red-faced

You want to know what's going on?

As opposed to the Labour party where nothing is going on - except negativity!
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stug55,

kinglassie 01/11/2008 12:18:22
the snp are out to win,look at thier troops on the ground and around glenrothes etc,put a red rossete on a monkey let it stand in cardenden and they"ll still vote for it,every day leaflets,posters thru letterboxes,snp foot soldiers do speak,broons troops no where to be soon,the end for broon and co is nigh???
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stug55,

kinglassie 01/11/2008 12:19:52
the snp are out to win,look at thier troops on the ground and around glenrothes etc,put a red rossete on a monkey let it stand in cardenden and they"ll still vote for it,every day leaflets,posters thru letterboxes,snp foot soldiers do speak,broons troops no where to be seen,the end for broon and co is nigh???
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subrosa,

01/11/2008 12:26:15
# 144

You in the Thousand Club?
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sicasapig,

turra 01/11/2008 13:29:18
Subject: FYI: Subject: Postal Scam



Can you circulate this around especially as Christmas is fast approaching - it has been confirmed by Royal Mail. The Trading Standards Office are making people aware of the following scam:

A card is posted through your door from a company called PDS (Parcel Delivery Service) suggesting that they were unable to deliver a parcel and that you need to contact them on 0906 6611911 (a premium rate number). DO NOT call this number, as this is a mail scam originating from Belize .

If you call the number and you start to hear a recorded message you will already have been billed £15 for the phone call.

Please advise family members/Friends.



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Neil Waugh,

OLd Strathcona 01/11/2008 13:29:59
I fear Oor Hamish will be choking on his own vomit when this one's over. What a pathetic piece of puff piece "journalism."
Find one or two punters who actually have something nice to say about Westminster's prime minister, run it up like it's a landslide and you're in the pub.
Oldest dodge in the book.
Except when you make a bl00dy fool of yourself on election night.
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Ananurhing,

01/11/2008 13:32:25
Great comment from Quisling Gogs on another thread,

"And the scribes did fall at his feet and worship him and wrote false witness to the people of the land."

Chime with you Hamish?
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Thomas1,

// 01/11/2008 13:35:32
Will flash go quietly or will he have to be removed from no 10 with a crowbar sqreaming and kicking shouting it's not my fault it's Alex Salmonds?
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Geoff,

sa 01/11/2008 13:40:29
122 Itchy-i try to avoid tis,tisn't debates but you cant be serious. Al Gore is a bright,insightful, genuinely caring politician who would have been an infinitely better president than Bush. You wouldn't have had an iraqi disaster for starters.
And that alone has to make him a hundred times better than Bush.
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chico y,

01/11/2008 13:59:42
A new low for this rag.

The journalist seems to get excited about what the guy at William Hill spouts. And seems to put a lot of importance on what he says. The betting odds are obviously getting distorted by activists on both sides so they don't mean much really.

The only way of knowing who is ahead is an opinion poll which would tell the truth.

Surely, the owners of Johnston press must know the paper is getting put to the sword by writing this sort of cr4p, it's not even subtley biased.

Hamish Macdonnell must really love liebour and Brown.
I suspect the SNP people on the ground will know they are ahead but don't want to come out and say it at this stage.

It will be interesting in the next few days to see what negative anti-SNP stuff they can come up with. They really seem to be struggling as they have thrown everything at it in the last few days.
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Stephanie-Jane,

London 01/11/2008 14:00:04
I cannot believe that the Scottish press is so against Salmond.

I wish we here in England had such a positive, articulate leader that really, really believed in England to the extent that Mr Salmond obviously believes in Scotland.

Some Scots evidently do not appreciate their own good fortune in having such a dedicated, passionate and visionary politician leading their Parliament.

Be brave Scotland and vote for independence,and hopefully England will follow your lead, if we can ever find a leader of Alex Salmonds stature.
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TheTerminator,

01/11/2008 14:44:35
Voters should remember that it was Joke McConnell, Herr Kerr and the ASHites that brought in the smoking ban. Smokers don't vote Labour, and once they are sorted out the SNP will be next unless they change their policies.SHS is a MYTH and based on LIES.
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Geoff,

sa 01/11/2008 14:47:21
156 stephanie-Jane-agree with some of your sentiments. Alex Salmond is a bright and personable politician who articulates his case well. As a Unionist though I do not feel the need for politicians to promote seperate cases for england and scotland. David Cameron, an Anglo-Scot is an articulate champion for Great britain and Northern ireland and emphasised recently that he did not want to be Prime minister of any of the parts of the UK. Scotland doesn't have to "be brave and vote for Independence". Bravery has nothing to do with it either way-in or out of the Union. Scots,as David Cameron recently emphasised, are perfectly capable of governing themseleves as an independent nation if they so desire-but many of us believe we are better together
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Baillie Guthrie,

Caithness 01/11/2008 15:29:56
Like Geoff #160 I agree with your sentiments that "Alex Salmond is a bright and personable politician who articulates his case well" . I can understand that David Cameron who is descended from King William IV who was 'King of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland' does really not want be PM of anthing but the United Kingdom, I think that Mr Cameron was soft soaping in Glenrothes and I do not think for one moment that the voters of Glenrothes will be flannelled into believing for one moment that Mr Cameron, a patrician Englishman, actually believes that the Scots are perfectly able of governing hemselves as an independent nation and that even having to mention that they would be able to do so is in fact rather an odd remark and he doesn't really think that Scotland will be better off in the union but believes that England will be better off with Scotland remaining as a vassal captive nation of England .While bravery doesn't really enter into it I think that you have to realise that when you are in a debt hole,as the United Kingdom is, is that you stop digging and look for alternatives and shedding England will do more to protect jobs and pensions than being an unwilling tenant in a house with no roof. Many of my farmer friends in Cathness, who were formerly pretty much unionists now realise that big brother's clothes are looking very threadbare and the only way forward is self-help independence ultimately with Alex Salmond.
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Matt there,

Somewhere 01/11/2008 18:19:21
"my word, yes! Although Labour have kicked me up the bottom for the last 50 years, and I nearly, so very nearly managed to kick my addiction to allowing Labour to kick me up the bottom; I though: Oh, well! I have allowed them to kick my bottom for 50 years! Another 50 years of bottom kicking will not be all that hard to bear!"
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howyoudoingboy,

01/11/2008 19:31:55
#175 Jackie Priest

There is no Democracy in Scotland so the SNP are undemocratic then and are supporting a undemocratic Scottish parliament.
passing laws which should be considered undemocratic such as the L.I.T.

In fact the First Minister is a Unionist Quisling for taking part in a sham Parliament created by the Unionists for the sole reason to stop a Independent Scotland being born.

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howyoudoingboy,

01/11/2008 19:37:06
#175 JACKIE BEAST

Just watching the X factor and Simon Cowell has just received a phone call from Gordon brown saying he Gordon will exempt the Hero single from V.A.T

Top that Alex.
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Nikostratos,,

01/11/2008 19:59:41
Ugh! argh! argh! argh!
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 01/11/2008 20:32:54
I took a drive round Cardenden, Bowhill, Dundonald and Aucherterderan today. In Cardenden Labour is certainly ahead over all of the SNP in terms of window posters, ranging from 50/50 to 80/20 in one small group of streets. they also have some brilliantly placed advertising boards.

However, that said, even 10 years ago never mind 20 or 30 trying to find an SNP poster in West Fife would have been a hard task.

Next. I have been to virtually every by election since Dundee East and one constant stands out: IF the kids are rushing up to the SNP cars for stickers, flags or balloons you know you are going to do well. Quite simply, they reflect the views of the parents and adults around them.

Based on that in the Cardenden area and later in Glenrothes, a win is more likely than a defeat.
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Nikostratos,,

01/11/2008 20:33:04
#182 Nikostratos ,,

You Unprincipled Scoundrel.But I do like you ha ha ha
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Nikostratos,,

01/11/2008 20:40:10
Um the bad Nikostratos ,, seems to have run away....
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 01/11/2008 20:46:00
Should New Labour loose Glenrothes then it will not be Gordon Brown's redemption but his repudiation by the
Fife Electorate!
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Nikostratos,,

01/11/2008 21:01:08
#198 bad Nikostratos ,,


I do know who you are but then so does everybody else... Mr predictable.......
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vimto,

01/11/2008 21:38:15
See the natz are out again! but here's a thought,what are you all going to do if Labour win Glenrothes?
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Tramampoline !!!,

01/11/2008 21:51:59
191, i agree
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01/11/2008 21:58:04
#202

that's unethical
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karinxxx,

01/11/2008 22:14:10
205 hello col..........

what on earth has happened to nikos.

has he/she/it had a transanal lobotomy.
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karinxxx,

01/11/2008 22:16:56
208 why hello there big boy your new arent you?


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Conan the Librarian™,

01/11/2008 23:55:49
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Be amazed.

See the the insane one is "doing" Niko now.

Now there's a challenge.
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Andy Stewart,

Cumbernauld 02/11/2008 13:05:54
re Glenrothes - if the Labour improvement in the polls is (as it seems) mainly due to disaffected Labourites hardening in the face of recession, would these really be likely to turn out for a by-election in the cold and dark in November? They might want to support a Labour government, but thats at a GE.
Can’t see Labour holding Glenrothes - SNP by four figures for me.


 

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