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Published Date: 03 July 2008
FEARS have been raised over a squeeze on parking in the city centre ahead of the closure of the 450-space site at Haymarket.
Developers are set to move into land at the former Morrison Street Goods Yard by the end of this year when work on a £200 million hotel and office complex gets under way.

A replacement underground car park is being built as part of the scheme, but this will not be ready until the spring of 2011.

Business groups today said the closure would put pressure on other premium city centre parking spaces and repeated calls for a 600-space facility on Morrison Street, using robots to park and retrieve vehicles, to be reopened, after it has been lying empty for four years.

Council chiefs today said there were ample parking opportunities elsewhere in the city centre, as well as the option of leaving the car at one of the city's park-and-ride sites.

Graham Bell, spokesman for Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: "The Haymarket site is a major parking area for the West End and financial district and it will be a big loss.

"While we are supportive of a sustainable travel policy to minimise congestion, we have to face facts that people still need to park in the city centre.

"Park-and-ride sites do help, but we still need decent provision of parking in the city centre if we are to compete with other major cities across the UK and Europe.

"The unused car park on Morrison Street would be one way out of this situation but there doesn't seem to be anyone moving this issue along."

The £5m Autosafe "Sky Park" idea, which allows cars to be "stacked" and takes up only half the space of a traditional multi-story, was opened to much fanfare in 2001. Just two years later, however, operator Sky Parks (Edinburgh) Ltd went into receivership.

Sky Parks' joint receiver KPMG has been holding talks with potential operators to reopen the site, but nothing has materialised yet.

John Nesbitt, managing director of Tiger Developments, which is redeveloping the Haymarket site, said: "The Haymarket will include the replacement of the current 450-space, open-air car park with a secure 450-space underground facility managed by a leading car park operator.

"The plans offer the opportunity to not only vastly improve the quality of public parking in the West End of the city centre but also significantly reduce car crime."

The Haymarket plan, which has still to win the approval of the Scottish Government, will see two new hotels alongside shops and offices built on the gap site.

It is hoped the buildings, which include a 17-storey, five-star hotel, will be in place by 2012.

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, said: "The full provision of parking currently available at Morrison Street will be replaced by the developer of The Haymarket in due course. In the meantime, I would encourage drivers to think of alternative means of getting into the city."


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  • Last Updated: 03 July 2008 11:36 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

allknowing,

03/07/2008 12:05:47
Exactly what the council wants,less parking, more frustration, trying to bully people onto the poor mans travel ie busses and trams!
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:16:34
Maybe be there is a clue in Phil Wheelers name as how to solve this problem.Nah.
3

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:22:55
#1 What exactly would you do? The Morrison Street car park failed to pay its way - are you saying that the council should subsidise your profligate lifestyle?
4

Rap,

Haymarket 03/07/2008 12:23:51
John Nesbitt fails to point out that 200 of the new car park spaces will be allocated to the hotel and office workers, so the existing car park space is being halved. And the intention is to price the remaining spaces to discourage commuters from parking there. So, drivers need to get used to not having that space available to them I'm afraid.
5

ST170,

03/07/2008 12:30:06
Robots?????
6

Rv2!,

03/07/2008 12:35:30
Yes, Robots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E8ea5-20lI
7

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:35:33
Just what the Cooncil wants. They hate motorists and want to make them suffer as much as possible.
8

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:36:50
1 you are just looking for a reaction. Being the poor man that you are that does not surprise me.

I know lots of wealthy men and women who travel by bus - because they are smart and they know it's the best way for them to get around town. Closing one car park is not the end of the world if we need more parking with all these park and rides then something isn't working like it should.
9

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 12:40:58
#8 - "something isn't working like it should"

That would be the Park and Rides, where the 'express' buses are nothing of the sort. It takes more than five times as long to reach your destination than it would by carrying on in the car.
10

Milo Spav,

03/07/2008 12:46:34
There is no way - NO WAY! - you can 450 cars into that car park. 437, tops.
11

allknowing,

03/07/2008 12:52:03
"because they are smart and they know it's the best way for them to get around town"

Whats smart about leaving the house at 07:00 walking for 10mins in the rain to bus stop, waiting for 10mins, paying £1.10, standing for 30mins while the bus stops starts, getting coughed on and smelling other peoples BO, then getting off, walking 10mins to work in the rain, to arraive at 08:20 smelling rank?? only to do it all over again after work?

Like i said, poor mans travel!
12

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 12:55:53
Go for the jugular, David Harrington. Allknowing is a few pages short of a pamphlet. "Poor man's travel" - what kind of drivel is that?
13

Bob 2,

03/07/2008 13:09:11
Look were have all you people been.

Edinburgh Tram Network will make all these car parks redundant in a few years time, and it will pass Haymarket

Number 9 is correct, Edinburgh Park and Rides site are still behind the times.

Other cities have Dedicated Express or Limited Stop services that whisk you into the city and many have had them for 10+ years, many on 10min or less frequency.

I remember using York's Park and Ride years ago, adults paid a cheap fare and the kids travelled free.

Currently Adult Fares are low £2 return with up to two children under 16 travelling free when accompanied by a fare-paying adult. There are discounts available for regular Park & Ride users.

Buses run 7 days a week at most of them, 10/15min service most of the day

Edinburgh will catch up at some point

Look at the Park and Ride at Newcraighall, No Sunday service.
14

allknowing,

03/07/2008 13:18:20
You can huff and puff all you like.

The fact is, if you have a car, and the money to use it, i.e petrol, parking etc, no one here would choose a bus over a car for their daily commute.

Why take 1.30 hours travelling across the city getting wet and stressed, when a simple 25 minute drive in warmth and confort will do it?

Answer, because you cant afford any other means. Busses have always been for the poor!
15

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 13:21:38
If closing car parks means you can't drive into Edinburgh then good, close them all!

You talk about 'poor man's travel' yet clearly have no idea what you are on about. Forget wealth, you are the poor man in terms of intelligence and you have made it painfully obvious to everyone. Are you proud of yourself? You selfish, obnoxious man.
16

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

03/07/2008 13:41:51
"The fact is, if you have a car, and the money to use it, i.e petrol, parking etc, no one here would choose a bus over a car for their daily commute. Why take 1.30 hours travelling across the city getting wet and stressed, when a simple 25 minute drive in warmth and confort will do it?"

Words fail me. What planet do you live on?
17

allknowing,

03/07/2008 13:47:04
Moan all you like, answer my simple question, why choose a bus over a car? The only reason people choose the bus is becase its cheaper, not better, far from it!!!

Like I said, twice already, poor mans travel. Your just getting annoyed becuase you too have no choice but use the bus. Have fun tonight on the way home in the forecasted rain! Hope you get a seat!
18

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

03/07/2008 13:51:00
Moaning? Try questioning your intelligence.
19

Annoyingboi,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:09:37
The question is, why Lasswade? Why not Edinburgh's northern fringes?

Disgraceful
20

Edinburgh-I,

03/07/2008 14:11:49
Long live the poor man's travel!

May The City of Edinburgh Council -- as inefficient as they can be -- continue to make car usage in the city centre as unattractice and difficult as possible!
21

Duncan in Edinburgh,

03/07/2008 14:12:47
#17 Here's why I, as a car owner, choose to commute by bus:

1. It's quicker. With the online and on-street bus tracker I can know exactly when to head to the bus stop, and my journey time varies from about 15 to 20 minutes, with a 2 minute walk at the end, or 5 minutes if I get a different bus.

If I took my car, I would have a 5 minute walk to it (thanks to commuters dumping their cars I can rarely park close to my house), a 10-15 minute journey, 5-10 minutes to find a parking space near my work, and another 10 mins, sometimes more, to walk from that space to work.

2. It's cheaper. I have a Ridacard, so pay about £1.15 per day for unlimited travel. I would pay more than that in diesel alone if I commuted by car. Parking near work would cost a minimum of £6 a day, and usually means having to move the car half-way through the day to avoid further charges. Plus wear and tear on the car, etc.

3. It's less stressful. I can read a book, or listen to music, or just daydream, while the driver deals with the stresses of rush-hour traffic. I arrive at work more calm and refreshed.

Seriously, I have a lovely, comfortable car. I CHOOSE to go to work by bus.
22

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 14:13:36
The best way of travelling into Edinburgh is by surf-board. Trust me on this one.
23

Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:18:10
To the lunatic council, everything is secondary to trams.
24

geekpie,

forfar 03/07/2008 14:22:05
It's selfish to bring 1.26 tonnes of steel into the city with you every day.

I'm really pleased city-centre carparks are going to be closing. It should put more pressure on the remaining ones and hopefully charges may go up.
25

Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:30:00
21 Duncan in Edinburgh

A journey that takes 10 minutes by car can take over an hour walking to the bus stop, waiting for the bus and sitting on the bus stopping at every single stop.

I find travelling by bus really stressful and I do it every day. The buses are always late, overcrowded and ridiculously slow.

How can you daydream on a crowded bus? I can't even read a newspaper because the space is so lacking. If animals were transported in these conditions, animal rights campaigners would be waving signs around calling Lothian Buses evil.

On top of that, you are bound to catch illnesses in the overcrowded conditions. I can trace back almost every cold and flu I have caught in the last 10 years to sitting next to someone on a overcrowded Lothian Buses bus.

Edinburgh buses are Hell. Only a deranged Communist (probably of a Green bent - even Soviets had Ladas) would think that this is some kind of Nirvana.
26

Oot in Juniper Green,

Currie 03/07/2008 14:32:34
The biggest problem with closing this car park is that it's the only one anywhere near the city centre that does not have a height restriction (apart from the always-full EICC car park which will also close soon)

Losing Morrison Street removes all the longer-stay city centre parking for vans and other larger vehicles. If you need to park a van for more than 4hrs you're stuffed. This car park is heavily used by exhibitors at the EICC who will have no readily available parking.


27

Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:34:18
24 geekpie

Communist.

You forgot to add that you want the collectivisation of all small businesses in the area. How else are they going to survive with your anti-car policies?
28

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:39:17
17: I have a car, idiot. I choose to bus around town if it is too far to walk. Sometimes I cycle too. I find it hard to believe that you have to rush anywhere anyway, you're obviously too lazy to make any effort so what could you possibly have to rush for?

Away and drive your 'rich man's vehicle' off a cliff. Do us all a favour.
29

Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:50:08
32 The Genuine Mario Antoinette

Hurrah. You do nothing all day but post on this website suggesting anyone that doesn't want trams or likes cars is a filthy running dog of capitalist imperialism.

I doubt your time is particularly precious.
30

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 14:51:32
32 Hurrah right back at you. I wish I was loaded! But I'd still walk around. We have a nicely compact wee city perfect for walking in! C'mon the walkers! Step forth and make yourselves known! Stride with pride!
31

Allis Chalmers,

Crieff 03/07/2008 15:14:49
What a bunch of self-centered twits you all are. Every one of you paddling your favorite canoe/ bus/ car/ bike/ tram/ train/ shoes/ whatever. While you witter on with your endless arguments can't you see that your beloved city is grinding to a halt?

Most of us who used to do business/spend money in Edinburgh now go to Glasgow, or Stirling or Perth - between them they have just as much to offer, without your endless traffic hassle and lousy traffic planning.
32

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:22:21
37 Go then! You won't be missed. If you think Edinburgh is 'grinding to a halt' you must be whizzing past on your way from Crieff(HA) with your eyes shut. I'm sure you'll spend much less time going to these other places than you do looking for a parking space in Edinburgh, or using the park and ride, or getting a train or anything.

33

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:36:28
I like garden centres.
34

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:47:16
But they have car parks
35

Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:49:38
Haha.

I have to laugh at the pro-tram anti-car brigade telling people not to come to Edinburgh to spend their money.

If only the council was this honest about their folly.
36

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 15:54:57
If you're looking for Class A drugs, Mario, please stay away from my children.
37

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:57:51
They ran out last week but are due a fresh shipment on tuesday.
38

Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 15:58:08
38 20something

Crieff has a great train station. The only problem is that it hasn't been open since 1964.

You are living in a lala fantasy land. You are telling people not to shop in Edinburgh while decrying them for not using a non-existent rail service.
39

Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:01:20
45 The Genuine Mario Antoinette

That's an grade F for comprehension. Did you not read where I said I took the bus every day?

I also own a car.
40

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:02:24
Statsman, I am telling people they can shop in Edinburgh without bringing their cars into the city centre.

I apologise, from now on I will add a special comment just for you explaining everything I say in a simple enough way for you to understand it. Ta-ta.
41

Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:06:27
52 20something

You are oversimplifying everything so that it fits with your watermelon (green on the outside, red on the inside) political viewpoint.
42

I love to eat Sellotape,

03/07/2008 16:10:28
Don't do Aspartame, Mario. Just say no.
43

20something,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:11:06
53 Oh aren't you clever. Yes, so clever.

Run along now, it's getting near your bedtime.
44

Graham P,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 16:33:42
#14 Allknowing is a liar. I have a car, and only drive it to work if I have to drive it somewhere straight from work. Which I actively avoid doing - partly because I have a conscience, and mainly because driving to work is such a pain.
45

Duncan in Edinburgh,

03/07/2008 18:21:30
#58 Exactly. I can count the number of times in a year that I drive to work, and it's only when it's completely unavoidable. The city would be a far nicer place if fewer people felt the need to be surrounded by a tonne of steel everywhere they went.
46

Davie Lad,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 18:46:04
#17
Allknowing? Allknowing FA is more like it. Who actually cares about you car driving tw@ts? Certainly not more or anyone else for that matter. Pay your parking ticket or bus it you fool and move on with your gripes. No one cares.
47

gus1940,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 19:00:31
In the same week work commences on both the Sheriffhall Roundabout and the Kings Road Roundabout- bl---y brilliant scheduling.

For drivers wanting to avoid the works at King's Road the obvious alternative is Willowbrae Road/ Milton Road with a secondary alternative of Mountcastle Drive.

So, what happens, Willowbrae Road is dug up about 200 yards short of Duddingston Crossroads and much worse, roadworks commence actually at the crossroads with 4-way temporary traffic lights causing massive tailbacks. That's not all, however, Mountcastle Drive is also being dug up.

Furthermore, today I noticed that the outer on/off ramps are closed for what looks like major roadworks at the interchange at Kinnaird Park.

I know that some of the roadworks are being undertaken by the utulity companies but surely The Council control the scheduling of all roadworks and have a duty to ensure minimum disruption to traffic flow.

If anybody is not yet convinced that The Council are trying to cause as much traffic chaos as possible as a result of the electorate giving 2 fingers to the crazy traffic charging scheme they must be living in a dream world.

Either that or The Roads Department is staffed by total incompetent cretins.



48

gus1940,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 19:01:49
And that's not forgetting the tram line that nobody I've ever spoken to on the subject wants.
49

Pond Hall,

03/07/2008 20:17:49
no 62, the latter

gus1940,
You forgot to mention all the side roads that have been closed as part of Portobello Roundabout, and the 4 way traffic lights at the Craigentinny Junction, which is causing massive holdups.

You missed Fishwives Causeway, I cycle to from work via Portobello, only the other day, cycling down towards Portobello, seen the queue, thought take Fishwives Causeway, GUESS WHAT.....Gas people Digging it up, Road Closed Sign.

Yip Edinburgh and the surrounding areas is UNDER SIEGE from all these roadworks.

At least you can see workmen actually WORKING at the Portobello roundabout.

HAS anyone seen people working on the TRAM WORKS at Consitution street, I've passed a couple of on ye old push bike and never seen sole working.

As someone commented, how many does it take to dig a hole, 1..... but what are the other 7 doing.

The only thing a lot of the City Centre Tramworks are offering, is free parking for the Workmen!!!!
50

Ian down under,

Kawerau 03/07/2008 21:38:21
When I am in Edinburgh I rarely have access to a car so I use public transport, mainly trains from Longniddry. The last time I had a car available it was OK at Fort Kinnaird or Gyle where there is easy, and free parking. In the city centre I found that I had to walk as far as I would if I used the train and further than if I used the bus as it stops frequently between Haymarket and St Andrew Square. The car is only more convenient if you happen to be able to park outside your destination and how often does that happen in a big city. Park and Ride, trains, trams and buses are the way to go for most city access. If they are good and people will use them then the smaller number who need to go by car will move more freely.
There are lots of peripheral locations where park and ride by rail could be more used, Wallyford is starting, Newcraighall is there and more frequent trains would clean up a lot of traffic congestion.

 

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