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Brown issues coded threat to Putin on G8 status



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Published Date: 12 August 2008
GORDON Brown, the Prime Minister, has condemned Russia's actions in Georgia as "unjustified" and warned that the escalation in tension risked destabilising the entire region.
In a strongly worded statement, he signalled that Moscow was putting its international reputation on the line with its "continued aggression" against the independent country.

That remark will be interpreted as a coded warning about Russia's status as a G8 member.

Mr Brown spoke as the conflict spread outside the breakaway South Ossetia province – where Moscow claims it is protecting the rights of its citizens – and into other parts of Georgia.

He said: "There is no justification for continued Russian military action in Georgia, which threatens the stability of the entire region and risks a humanitarian catastrophe. "

Calling for an immediate ceasefire, he went on: "Continued aggression against Georgia – and especially an escalation of the conflict beyond South Ossetia – will only serve to damage Russia's international reputation and its relations with countries across the globe."

Reaction to Russia was hostile across the British political establishment, with Jim Murphy, the Europe minister, condemning its incursions as "deplorable".

David Cameron, the Tory leader, went further, branding Russia a "dangerous" and "massive" bully.

He eschewed diplomatic language to attack Russia and call for Georgia's membership of Nato – which Downing Street backs – to be speeded up.

"The only language that bullies understand is when someone stands up to them," Mr Cameron said.

But Sir Menzies Campbell, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats and a foreign affairs expert, warned against bellicose rhetoric.

He said: "This is not an occasion for megaphone diplomacy. Russia's behaviour is disproportionate and unacceptable, but the only way to bring stability back to the region is through diplomatic means."

It emerged yesterday that Alex Salmond, the First Minister, had held talks with the Russian ambassador about the conflict.

The First Minister asked to meet Yuri Fedotov before they attended the Military Tattoo at Edinburgh Castle on Saturday night, and he asked the ambassador to pass on his appeal for restraint in Georgia to the Russian government.

A spokesman for Mr Salmond said: "The First Minister took the opportunity to have a private meeting with the Russian ambassador to make that clear.

"The ambassador pledged to communicate that message to the Russian government."

Angus Robertson, the SNP's Westminster leader, said the conflict was a "disaster". He went on: "Russia is trying to send the strongest signal it can that it will not countenance further 'meddling', as it sees it, in its affairs.

"This is one of the only growing oil markets in the world and it is such a dangerous cocktail mix of politics, economics and strategic interests that, frankly, the health and wellbeing of the civilians of South Ossetia is nothing to do with it."

Diplomatic efforts to end the crisis continue tomorrow with an emergency EU meeting.

Russia has felt increasingly uncomfortable at being encircled by Nato members, as its breakaway republics embrace the western alliance.

However, Whitehall sources said Georgia's reaction to the conflict could make it less rather than more likely to join Nato. Its military capabilities have been left exposed and, had it been a member, Nato rules would have decreed that, by now, the West would have been, in effect, at war with Russia.

Bush critical of Russian military's response

GEORGE Bush, the United States' president, and other western leaders criticised Russia's military response as disproportionate yesterday.

The world's seven largest economic powers urged Russia to accept an immediate ceasefire and agree to international mediation.

Last night Mr Bush expressed concern about the "dramatic and brutal escalation" and said Russia's actions were endangering its ties with America.

He pressed Moscow to accept an immediate cease-fire and to pull back its troops as he returned from the Olympic Games in Beijing.

He also said there appeared to be an attempt by Russia to unseat Georgia's pro-western president, Mikheil Saakashvili.

Foreign ministers from the US, Japan, Italy, France, Germany, Britain and Canada – the Group of Seven nations – held a conference call yesterday and urged Russia to agree to a ceasefire and respect Georgia's territorial integrity.

EU foreign ministers will hold an emergency meeting on Wednesday.

Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, is due to visit Georgia and Moscow today on behalf of the European Union, though it was unclear what could be achieved.

Carl Bildt, the Swedish foreign minister who left for Georgia yesterday, also condemned the Russian action, saying it was "incompatible with international law".

The full article contains 754 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 12 August 2008 12:47 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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12/08/2008 01:05:45
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 12/08/2008 02:06:19
Putin is shaking in his boots fer sure now. When Gordo speaks the earth moves. Talk about idle threats and mindless posturing.
3

indune1,

Canada 12/08/2008 02:47:17

Gordon " Neville" Brown.
4

Guga II,

Rockall 12/08/2008 03:17:00
That's a laugh, one war criminal, Maggie Broon, warning another war criminal, Putin. Tsar Putin the Bootin will really be quaking in his boots.

Putin will also be having a laugh at that other war criminal, Bush, lecturing him. He knows fine that the Septics are up to their necks in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are both unwilling and unable to do anything at all about the situation in Georgia.

Tsar Putin, the modern day Stalin, can and will do as he pleases, with impunity.
5

Nellie,

Liverpool 12/08/2008 05:20:13
#22 Well, I wouldn't describe Putin as being like Stalin. Putin the Bootin (excellent naming, Guga II!) is no angel but comparing him to Stalin - that's stretching the analogy a wee bit too far!

But I agree 100% with the rest of what you say.
6

Nellie,

Liverpool 12/08/2008 05:22:55
I see it's "Groundhog Day" for Ben ...
7

Nellie,

Liverpool 12/08/2008 05:51:42
#26 Dunno about that. Stalin was consistent in his ruthless disregard for the lives of the Russian (and other) peoples but there was no consistency in who he chose to have murdered/executed or put into the gulags.
8

mot juste,

12/08/2008 06:29:05
David Murray the Rearrangerz chairman is a great organiser,he`d sort the Mad Monk Ras(Putin)out in jig time.

Just so long as Georgia is nowhere near other former state Lithuania and Kaunus therein.

Ask "Walter".
He`ll tell ye.

9

steve 1511,

aberdeen 12/08/2008 06:30:55
comrade broon cannot control his own party,the man is deluded if he believes the russians are afraid of his big clunking fist,as for miliband they will think that eejit has escaped from the big brother show
10

Phil C,

12/08/2008 07:02:26
So the ditherer gets all puffed up and tough, hiding behind his coded messages, and no doubt lots of coming leaks to the press. Putin won't give a monkey's for what Broon says. There seems to be a fairly united front talking to the Russians, so leave it to the big boys. For God's sake keep Brown quiet. The man will only inflame the situation, but then maybe that's what he wants; a nice war so he can be a glorious war leader like Bliar.
11

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 12/08/2008 07:22:27
Comrade Broon chastising Comrade Putin? How many army Divisions have the Broons?
12

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 12/08/2008 07:49:33
So now Gordon wants us to get into a third war! Just how is he going to finance this one - and of course he can't blame it on Tony Blair..
13

gwp,

Glasgow 12/08/2008 08:01:59
Yep -it's all about oil, as was Iraq.

I wonder what the difference is between America / Britain invading Iraq and Russia invading Georgia.
How can the west criticise Russia in such sanctimonious terms when our hands are far from clean.

14

Piotr,

12/08/2008 08:11:36
Mr. Brown, it's time you send them uncoded threat. Usual businesses can wait and Russian KGB should be quickly kicked out from G-8 and all other economic organizations. If there is no response to this aggression, they will continue their criminal policies all over the World. For example, you will have to worry if they don't plan any murder within the British territory like they did with Litvinyenko. Shameful situation, isn't it
15

mr angry,

ayrshire 12/08/2008 08:15:27
Brown is a dimwit, Putin will be laughing his socks off. Russia is just trying to catch up with US/GB in annexing countries that have oil/gas, windbag Brown cannot lecture anyone.
What cretin would have put the country in hock to Russia in the first place, we should never been reliant on anything from Russia given past history. Just another confirmation that Brown is as thick as mince and even scared to criticise Putin , has to weasel hsi words and hope that Putin will realise its a threat, Ha Ha. What a laugh you could not make it up.
Courage Brown.
16

Phil C,

12/08/2008 08:23:52
#35&36 smell

You seem a bit pro Westminster/Labour policy. That automatically discounts your views from being taken seriously.

The answer is clear. Send in the plain-talking Salmond, backed by the Fintry Pipes & Drums. Problem sorted!
17

Phil C,

12/08/2008 08:40:56
"The only language that bullies understand is when someone stands up to them," Mr Cameron said.

Trouble is they get beaten up! Everyone needs to stand up to Russsia in a unified way.

What we saw in Iraq was the breakaway USA warmongerers, eagerly backed by their fawning lapdogs in the UK, sticking in their size 13s before they were required. Big mistake!
18

bluehead,

edinburgh 12/08/2008 09:09:27
what is happening was easily foreseeable,the argument is -who is the biggest warmongers amongst this lot'
people don't trust the Russians,and by the same token you cannot trust the Americans,and as for Brown and his lot,they can described as ignorable,when Russia tried to put missiles on Cuba some years ago there was a terrible hullabaloo,it would appear that Russia is preparing it's own defence this time,i'm afraid there will never be any peace in this world.
19

Nikostratos,

12/08/2008 09:15:14
#39 phil the big 'C'

Reminds us all phil what happened when Alex Salmond tried influencing opinion on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty,.


And only one reply flooded in..no Alex needs a small stage on which to big it on when he tries the major league. He only looks even more foolish and out of his depth.......
20

JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian 12/08/2008 09:17:29
Was Britain ever going to be expelled from the G8 for its illegal actions in Iraq?

Is this a classic case of double standards?
21

AJ Fife,

12/08/2008 09:30:35
It's good to see Scotland's leader voicing his concerns over the crisis in Georgia. Mr Salmond provides Scotland with an assured independent voice, away from Westminster, and for that, we should all be grateful!

Onionista in-coming fire.......I'll go and get ma tin hat..........
22

donald,

glasgow 12/08/2008 09:33:41
Bomber Broon speaks oot aboot Imperialist invasions? Send Tory Blerr oot tae make peace, like wot he is doing in the Muddle East. Or, for a better laugh, send Lord Fooks oot to sort oot Devolution tae preserve the Russian Empire.
23

JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian 12/08/2008 09:34:41
It has been reported through foreign media outlets that the Georgian military had killed at least 2000 civilians in South Ossetia, before Russia took action against them?

Why is the British media not highlighting this?

If Russia or China had killed as many civilians as this, would our leaders not be calling it genocide?

Another case of double standards?
24

JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian 12/08/2008 09:45:12
Is the Georgian President, Mikhail Saakashili, a puppet for Britain, America and Israel?
25

Campaign Lawer,

Elgin 12/08/2008 09:52:38
“Brown issues coded threat to Putin on G8 status”
Just managed to decipher the code:-
“Move out or I will tax you”
26

Phil1,

Edinburgh 12/08/2008 10:01:57
Well we now know what happens when a small country with under 5 million people gets 'uppty' with its larger neighbour.

Its lucky we have the UN Security Council, The EU and Gordon Brown to protect us. I guesss they'll call for a cease fire and the situtaion will be that Russian Troops remain in Georgia indefinately.


I hope alex Salmomd is sending a minister or two to Georgia and Russia to sort out this mess from a small country perspective.
27

Yeah1,

12/08/2008 10:02:45
"It emerged yesterday that Alex Salmond, the First Minister, had held talks with the Russian ambassador about the conflict. The First Minister asked to meet Yuri Fedotov before they attended the Military Tattoo at Edinburgh Castle on Saturday night, and he asked the ambassador to pass on his appeal for restraint in Georgia to the Russian government."

Hmmmm....So Putin is going to show restraint because of an appeal from someone he has probably never even heard of, who doesn't even have any military powers or international status....right.

I doubt the Russian ambassador will even bother to tell Putin about Salmond's 'appeal for restraint' - if Putin doesn't listen to the American President, or Nato, or the EU, he isn't exactly going to listen to the first minister of a small regional parliament is he?
28

Fairfax,

12/08/2008 10:58:47
Yeah1 (55): "So Putin is going to show restraint because of an appeal from someone he has probably never even heard of, who doesn't even have any military powers or international status....right."

There's another possibility. I can imagine a conversation something like this:

S: Scotland will soon be an independent nation, wealthy from oil. We don't approve of England's record of imperialism.
P: Nor do we! Do continue.
S: Scotland will probably reject NATO and will reduce its armed forces. We have no global military aspirations, unlike some of our near neighbours!
P: I'm very glad to hear that. Let me get this right. You'll soon be a small, independent, oil-rich nation with a reduced defence capability, unlike those horrid English. Hmm. I'm very busy right now, but I'll get back to you. . .
29

John S,

12/08/2008 11:09:18
Gordon's threat worked:Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has ordered an end to military operations against Georgia, the Kremlin says. BBC 10:07 GMT, Tuesday, 12 August 2008
30

Nellie,

Liverpool 12/08/2008 11:12:46
#28 I agree with you about Stalin but Putin is nothing like as bad as Stalin. Rather, Putin could sit at the same table as Bush, perhaps with Brown and Blair at the same but sitting below the salt. Much has changed in Russia - you just have to go and look! Not everything for the better - there is much more crime and, seemingly corruption. But they have made some amazing achievement. For example, look how long it took them to build a large cathedral in the centre of Moscow. What was it - 3 years? That takes some beating. I think it took something like 100 years to build the Anglican cathedral in Liverpool. (Ok, no more jokes about striking Scousers causing the delays - we've heard that one too many times in the past!)
31

Nellie,

Liverpool 12/08/2008 11:16:26
#59 - Hoots.
Nice one. Will you post your source, please? I'd like to use those quotes in another place.
32

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 12/08/2008 11:17:22
Brown's New Labour Party are struggling frantically to stay in business and will stoop to any depth to move the present agenda away from the present blatant legalised robbery of the consumers by the Gas, electricity and water companies.
These legalised crooks have been relentlessly ripping off their (no choice customers)since Thatcher handed them over for a song to be plundered at will by greedy executives and shareholders who could not care one iota about the suffering victims they have created.
The sleazy New Labour Party are an insignificant part off world politics that no world leaders of any importance take much notice off, bar the USA who desperately require this island as an expendable base for any future wars they may be involved in.
All 20th century wars were never fought anywhere near the USA and its presnt leaders are determined the status quo will remain as such; as long as long as the people of the UK allow them to do so.
33

Darien,

Panama 12/08/2008 11:53:48
"The First Minister asked to meet Yuri Fedotov before they attended the Military Tattoo at Edinburgh Castle on Saturday night, and he asked the ambassador to pass on his appeal for restraint in Georgia to the Russian government."

Can't imagine the former NewLab First Minister's ever doing anything like this on the international diplomacy level. Well done FM and statesman Salmond! More to the point, seems Hen Broon only issued a bland statement rather than going out of his way to speak to the Russian Ambassador.
34

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 12/08/2008 11:59:49
#66 sm753

"Are you familiar with the concept "innocent until proven guilty" ?

Actually NuLabour and the US have blown so many holes in this concept it has effectively ceased to exist.

Witness the recent trial of Guantanamo detainee - 7 years rotting in jail with no hope of release , and he cried when the trial was over , no wonder, I would have cried too.

Closer to home , try getting arrested , even if you are cleared by a court of law, that arrest stays permanently on your police record. But they don't like it getting that far, they will try to trick you into accepting a caution ( a legal admission of guilt ) while under detention. And guess what ? That legal admission of guilt stays on your police record forever as well.

Innocent till proven guilty ? Don't make me laugh.
35

brownlie,

12/08/2008 12:12:05
66 sm753

As a matter of fact the "Iraqi War" was not a war - it was an invasion of a country which involved the killing and maiming of innocent men, women and children.

Since when has it been "legal" to kill and maim innocent individuals?
36

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 12/08/2008 12:23:30
Quick George remove your secretly installed Missile defense system from georgia b4 the russians find it...
37

brownlie,

12/08/2008 12:52:59
71 sm753

So "Shock and awe" was an "unintended consequence" of the invasion and the collateral damaging of innocents was unintended. Have you really seen the uninteded damage to Bagdad and its inhabitants?

Were the euphemically named "smart bombs" able to discriminate between innocent and guilty?
38

Proximaking,

Aberdeen 12/08/2008 13:16:10
Good to hear the Russians listened to Salmond when he asked them to desist. I'm sure the Russians don't want us using our disruptor beams on their whole infrastructure just because Alex takes a heebeejeebee. The sooner they get out and stay out of Georgia the better, I understand Alex has asked for the covers to be taken off the disruptor silos just in case they don't leave tut suite. The disruptor beams are of course target specific so don't require the covers to be taken off so I can't imagine what Alex is up to but then again he is one mean political operator and the Russians have never heard of disruptor beams outside of those who have heard of Romulans. What was that someone above was saying above about conspiracy theories again? llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllll
39

Jay Kay,

12/08/2008 13:29:52
I think Broon needs to get his priorities right, maybe while he is at it he should change Nuliebore's team colours from Red to Beige, that would really send Putin a message, "were no longer being affiliated with your communist parties".

Broon is a t*at, I see he is attending the closing ceremony of the games? Probably there to see what the chinese no longer need, "oh well buy that of you" how much for your birds nest? "Stadium"? "no soup".
40

yockel,

12/08/2008 13:59:18
If Gordo is serious about peace in Gorgia how about asking George to pull the CIA and the American troops out. Oh and stop funding the Taliban trained Islamists.
41

weh,

12/08/2008 14:22:50
Labour were FORCED to devolve powers to Scotland by UN!

For tales of unparalleled treachery towards us, read:-

tinyurl.com/5n4xnf
42

Fairfax,

12/08/2008 14:31:32
weh (63): "Labour were FORCED to devolve powers to Scotland by UN!"

This is a truly hilarious myth! Why would anyone give it credence?

"For tales of unparalleled treachery ..."

Perhaps you should suggest this to FM Salmond in his communications with Putin. It will no doubt reassure him that England is so much worse than Russia, if you truly believe it to be without parallel.
43

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 12/08/2008 14:40:08
And Russia are gonna listen to that pillock! Brown is an internationaly renowned unelected nobody...
44

Yeah1,

12/08/2008 14:56:36
#52

"Can't imagine the former NewLab First Minister's ever doing anything like this on the international diplomacy level. Well done FM and statesman Salmond! More to the point, seems Hen Broon only issued a bland statement rather than going out of his way to speak to the Russian Ambassador."

Speaking to the Russian ambassador is hardly 'international diplomacy'.

I would imagine that the American and British leaders are more likely to be speaking directly to Putin and Medvedev behind the scenes rather than snatching 5 minutes with the Russian Ambassador and begging him to pass on 'an appeal for restraint'.

Not really sure why Salmond even bothered getting involved anyway, its not as if the Russians will listen to his appeal anyway and he doesn't have any military powers or any international status anyway.
45

Yeah1,

12/08/2008 14:59:58
#65

"And Russia are gonna listen to that pillock! Brown is an internationaly renowned unelected nobody..."

Actually Brown was elected as MP for his constituency in the last election.

Not sure how someone can be 'internationally renowned' and a 'nobody' at the same time?
46

Pagan,

Fife 12/08/2008 15:05:59
Gordon Who?
47

brownlie,

12/08/2008 15:08:20
68 Yeah 1

Oh yeah, So Brown can go up to Putin and say "I'm the MP for Kirkcaldy so pull your troops out at once!!!
48

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 12/08/2008 15:08:34
#68 He's renowned as a nobody...And he will be an unelected at the next election without a doubt...
49

Yeah1,

12/08/2008 15:18:28
#70

"Oh yeah, So Brown can go up to Putin and say "I'm the MP for Kirkcaldy so pull your troops out at once!!!"

No but he can obviously try to do that as the PM and Russia would be clearly more to likely to listen to him than to the first minister of a small regional parliament who has no military or international powers.

#68

"#68 He's renowned as a nobody...And he will be an unelected at the next election without a doubt..."

Well yes he will obviously lose his position as PM at the next election, if not before, but he's not going to lose his seat, so he will still be elected.
50

brownlie,

12/08/2008 15:21:02
72 Yeah

Has it not dawned on you that the previous poster was referring to the fact that he was not elected as a PM.

51

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 12/08/2008 15:31:47
Even the Mugabe is trying harder these days! If you believe him. Gordon is just giving unlected Labour tyrants a bad name.

Putin's no doubt ready to reverse the tanks as soon as Broonie threatened him with a visit from the pugnacious Millipede.
52

Yeah1,

12/08/2008 15:32:37
#72

Yes of course I realise that is what he was referring to, but he was incorrect to state that he was 'unelected' without any further explanation, so I was pointing out his mistake.

As for him being unelected as PM, the fact is that no one is actually technically 'elected' as PM.

The UK does not have a Prime Ministerial election like America's Presidential election - we have a general election, where the party is elected and not the PM.

Obviously in today's age of 'personality' politics the leaders of each party have a bearing on how people vote in a general election, but it is still technically incorrect to say that a PM is elected.
53

Steve McGregor,

Dundee 12/08/2008 15:48:52
Millitary action are not an option against Russia. However, if it were against Iran, then no option would have been ruled out of the table.

We need Tony Benn for a PM.
54

Nikostratos,

12/08/2008 17:31:51
#75 yeah 1

No point trying to explain to them they are 'Nationalists' who believe you have a leader for a party who then rules for life without the inconvenience of elections in a one party state.
55

brownlie,

12/08/2008 17:46:56
79 Nikostratos

Do you still believe in Santa Claus as well?
56

Daveunderwater,

12/08/2008 18:09:30
# 45

"The only "perspective" for a small country that isn't part of a binding alliance is to do what it's told by the larger neighbour, or get stomped on."

You hit the nail on the head there!

Bit like England and the rest of the UK
57

Daveunderwater,

12/08/2008 18:10:27
# 81

Especially in Northern Ireland!!
58

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/08/2008 18:19:48
Exactly why would Putin listen to our weak, gormless and unelcted cretin of a prime minister?
59

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 12/08/2008 19:10:09
There is one person capable of being an honest broker in dealing with the conflict between Georgia and the South Ossetians and that is Angus Robertson, the SNP MP for Moray. Back in 2003 he invited the disputative parties from Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan to Craigellachie on the Spey and with gentle and unthreatening diplomacy he helped to get them to resolve there differences. That peace has remained after five years.

The great powers are incapable of understanding the feelings of small countries and 'separatist' movements. Alex Salmond has already spoken with the Russian Ambassador and asked that his concerns be passed to the Russian Government.

Angus Robertson has already proved his worth in dealing with problems in the Caucusus and has retained goodwill in the region. The South Ossetians have not had dealings with Angus Robertson, but as a representative of an independence movement party which is now the government of Scotland (something not the case back in 2003, I am sure they will trust his impartiality.

The present dispute is tragic and the parties have become entrenched. A war of words between superpowers can only add to the difficulties. A fresh approach is needed where only someone with no axe to grind can suggest a way forward. I believe Angus Robertson is that person.
60

Graham Simpson,

Vancouver 12/08/2008 21:43:54
The US and the UK attack, invade and militarily occupy Iraq without provocation on their own lands or people. This based on a tissue of lies with 'Big Oil' a dark shadow in the background. The US , the UK and other would be 'peacekeepers' involve themselves in an endless civil war in Afghanistan on the the flimsiest of reasons. The US threatens Iran and any other mid east power that will not heed their warnings over expansion of controls over their nuclear energy.

Is it any wonder that an other fading superpower watching, closely from the sidelines and with it's own ambitions, holds in disdain the West's 'high moral ground' and feels free to beat up it's smaller democratic neighbours. iI is not by chance that Russia has 25,000 passport bearing, fully armed citizens securely lodged in South Osettia... within the sovereign state of Georgia where the most important oil pipeline from East to West is entrenched.

It is a close example of the time when Britain certain that one day they would lose Ireland, displaced the natives of Northern Ireland with 'land grants' to British settlers whom, when the time was ripe... were fully armed and backed by a poised British military, seceded form Ireland to become an official part of the UK.

Two things to remember...
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Ask not for whom the bell tolls ... it tolls for thee.
61

Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 12/08/2008 22:16:02
http://www.avaaz.org/en/georgia_ceasefire_now/?cl=114810847&v=2019
62

henrymanchester,

UK 12/08/2008 23:01:29
So let me see...

We don't like China, (Who trade with can lift many Britons out of poverty...)

We don't like Russia (Who Labour have made us dependent on for fuel this winter...)

But we do like America (Who keep dragging us into wars so they don't feel all alone in the world...)

We also like Tibet (even though the Tibetan system of class oppression was once of the most abusive in human history) I guess a lot of vegetable munching lefties still find Buddhism popular.

I suppose next you'll be telling me were going to make friends with the Israeli's?

Oh dear...the B teams still in charge of the country then...



63

Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 12/08/2008 23:08:10
#44 Hoots Fandango

Justice Robert Jackson Conference on the Planning for
Prosecution of High Level American War Criminals.

http://antiwar.com:80/radio/2008/08/02/larry-velvel/
64

Nellie,

Liverpool 13/08/2008 08:21:52
#87 Actually the correct version of that which you quote is "Power TENDS to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely."

#91 Look at what you say, "(The Tibetan) system of class oppression was once of the most abusive in human history." ONCE. Even if it were now, I am sure the "oppressed" people of Tibet would rather be oppressed by their own people than oppressed by an occupying power that are the Chinese.
65

Armstrong Cowan Again,

Not Moscow 13/08/2008 15:51:02
It is quite incredible how everybody becomes an expert on geopolitics based on what they have read about in the press. I am not an expert either nor am I a particular fan of Russia but it seems to me that Russia is simply looking after it's own percieved national interests whether we like or agree with them or not. The world has become more and more like a game of monopoly with most of us quite simply pawns and victims of a cynical mentality which is no different in London or Washington than it is in Moscow or Peking. Innocent people have been killed and numerous politicians, military personnel and even aid organizations can now chatter and plan their various campaigns. So Georgia leaves the GUS phew ! Would you all out ther be happy to see the third world war break out because of an arguement over a small Russian colony had Georgia already been a member. No of course that is not the issue - Right or wrong we need a more balanced approach to seeing things from the perspective of others. Believe me , I am no friend of Russia but what they are doing is quite logical from their perspective in regard to BP, Estonia or even bribing the Georgian football team to play like men possessed in their victory against Scotland.
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Armstrong Cowan Again,

Circling Moscow 13/08/2008 16:02:33
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Baghdad would look a lot worse if we'd had to use something like Bomber Command against it.

so why didn't we?

come on -let's blast the Russian Black Sea Fleet out the water and tell them afterwards it was a mistake.


 

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