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Brown delays embryo bill 'in bid to sway Catholic votes in by-election'


GLASGOW EAST BY-ELECTION

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Published Date: 11 July 2008
GORDON Brown, the Prime Minister, yesterday made a play for Catholic voters in the Glasgow East by-election by postponing a decision on new embryo laws.
In a surprise announcement, the government said that a crucial vote on the embryology bill due to take place on Monday would now be delayed until the autumn.

This will help keep the issue – and the threat of changes to the abortion laws – off the agenda before voters go to the polls on 24 July. It also allows the legions of Labour MPs ordered to campaign in Glasgow to avoid having to make a speedy return to London.

Glasgow East has the fifth- highest number of Catholics in Scotland, with more than a third of its voters – some 23,185 adults – declaring themselves Catholics in the last census. The constituency is also home to Celtic Football Club.

Labour is thought to have acted as MPs come under increased pressure from the Catholic church to vote against the bill. Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the leader of the Catholic church in Scotland, has again urged them to reject what he has previously described as "Frankenstein" plans.

Mr Brown is well aware that defeat in what was Labour's third safest seat in Scotland would intensify calls for him to quit, following thumping Tory victories in Crewe and Nantwich and in Henley.

Party chiefs will be gambling that avoiding controversy on the embryology bill – which proposes legalising "hybrid" embryos made from a mixture of human and animal cells for scientific research – may safeguard sufficient votes in Glasgow East to give them a narrow victory.

At Westminster, the move was dubbed "Holy Watergate", as Labour was accused of blatant electioneering with its last-minute alterations to the parliamentary timetable.

David Mundell, the shadow Scottish secretary, told The Scotsman: "I don't think the Prime Minister can afford to alienate a single Labour voter. There is no doubt that this by-election can be very tight. Any objective analysis would lead you to believe this decision was politically motivated."

But the Liberal Democrat MP Dr Evan Harris said the government had been right to delay the bill to allow MPs more time to debate up to 60 new amendments. He said suggestions that the bill could influence the by-election were "exaggerated", as the views of neither the Labour candidate nor the SNP one were known.

The Prime Minister has also faced the headache of having to allow Ruth Kelly, the Transport Secretary, to absent herself from voting on the bill to avoid the staunchly Catholic minister having to vote against a key government proposal on conscience grounds.

Other Catholic Cabinet ministers, such as Des Browne, the Scottish and Defence Secretary, and Paul Murphy, the Welsh Secretary, had concerns about the bill but they were expected to back the government on a three-line-whip vote.

The bill's third reading – effectively the crunch vote – had been provisionally tabled for Monday. But when Harriet Harman, the Leader of the House of Commons, announced next week's business, it had been replaced in the timetable with moves to tighten the enforcement of the national minimum wage.

Theresa May, the shadow leader of the House, told MPs a "flagship government bill" had been left off the parliamentary agenda "at the last possible moment", and it would now not be debated until October. She asked: "Can (Ms Harman] give a commitment this decision had nothing whatsoever to do with the forthcoming Glasgow East by-election?"

But a Labour Party spokesman who is involved in the by-election campaign said: "We had no involvement in this decision. We had no knowledge of it."

Ms Harman said that because of the shortage of time left before the summer recess, and the number of MPs who wished to speak and propose amendments to the bill, it had been decided that "as much time as possible needs to be found for it" – necessitating a delay.

Mr Brown previously issued a personal plea for MPs to support the bill, and offered a series of free votes at earlier stages to minimise the risk of a ministerial rebellion. At one stage, 12 government members were thought likely to vote against it.

Cardinal O'Brien had described the bill as a "monstrous attack on human rights, human dignity and human life".

Labour stalwart brands Mason 'paranoid and xenophobic'

AN ELDER statesman of the Scottish Labour Party has upped the ante in the Glasgow East by-election by describing the SNP candidate John Mason as "paranoid and xenophobic".

The Scotsman understands that Lord Foulkes' portrayal of Mr Mason "as the true face of the SNP" has the blessing of party leaders in London.

Lord Foulkes' ire was raised by Mr Mason's publicly held views which include describing God Save the Queen as "an anti-Scottish song" and once demanding that a local school took down England flags put up during the last football World Cup.

Lord Foulkes, who spent his political life in Scotland as a councillor, MP and MSP but was born in England, said he was "disgusted" by Mr Mason's views.

"John Mason is clearly paranoid and xenophobic," he said. "This is the true face of the SNP, the nasty one behind the veneer of respectability we see at Holyrood."

But the Nationalists were keen to rebut the attack. An SNP spokeswoman said: "This is another boomerang attack from Lord Foulkes. Labour's original candidate George Ryan has had plenty to say opposing the flying of the Union Jack. Is Foulkes attacking him as well?"

The full article contains 933 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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11/07/2008 00:02:30
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Traquir , Alba,

11/07/2008 00:07:36
I guess Brown meant it when he said we do anything
and everything to preserve the Union.

We have already had overt manipulation of
the basic democratic process :

"Polling day has been deliberately placed during the summer holidays - Scottish schools have already broken up. It is also midway through the Glasgow fair holiday, when the city traditionally empties and the more politically volatile C2 demographic - backbone of many a byelection swing - are safely away on vacation."

"Today, humiliatingly, Labour's view is that the fewer people who vote, the better. Glasgow East - like Brown's premiership - is now entirely about survival."

see - tinyurl.com/66cr87

Now he is using important moral issues like
a cheap political football.

The Telegraph has already outlined in relation
to Catholic values
"Why Gordon Brown will lose Glasgow East"

"we have to assume that there is no place any more for Catholics in New Labour."

see - tinyurl.com/5jtpnd

Scotland does not deserve this low-life political
party and Glasgow East will do us all a favour
by booting them out.

Saor Alba
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Conan the Librarian™,

11/07/2008 00:07:36
I wonder if John Mason has ever been arrested for being drunk and disorderly, assault and resisting arrest?
4

The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 00:08:57
Nicola Sturgeon and that nobody she is standing next to embarass Scotland. But not the nobody, he only embarasses people who know who he is.
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karinxxx,

11/07/2008 00:09:08
i have received a reply to my freedom of info request from the foreign office and i have found out that information relating to the monitoring of pluralist democracy is available at the foreign office. The information they hold is related to this

http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta97/ERES1115.htm

This is the first stage in finding the proof (other than that in the public domain already) that the labour party had nothing to do with devolution and the setting up of the scottish parliament but had it forced on them to due the scotland UN commitee and a council of europe resolution in vienna.
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 11/07/2008 00:13:00
I think it's a disgrace that Gordon Brown has brought religion into this election. As Gerry Hassan pointed out on Newsnicht last nicht, faith now has no relevance to voting intentions.
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Senga Jean,

11/07/2008 00:16:19
The Great Deception is petty and juvenile in his comments. I suspect that his spelling indicates he is not a product of the Scottish education system
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Nestor Makhno,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 00:16:57
Re the Glsagow East election campaign, it was only a matter of time before a desperate Labour Party resorted to sectarianism. But to find the Scotsman right down there in the gutter with the likes of Foulkes is very depressing for anyone who cares about Scottish public life.
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murren59,

11/07/2008 00:17:50
>Lord Foulkes' ire was raised by Mr Mason's publicly held views which include describing God Save the Queen as "an anti-Scottish song" and once demanding that a local school took down England flags put up during the last football World Cup.<

Well furrfoulkes sake, GSTQ is an anti-Scottish anthem...and unless there was a majority of English pupils in that school, why put up English flags?
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 11/07/2008 00:19:22
It does not matter one iota if Brown delays the 'embryo bill', the catholic electorate will not be swayed by such a blatant, cynical move!!
"Bye Bye, Brown".
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11/07/2008 00:24:43
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Jeeemy,

St Andrews 11/07/2008 00:26:50
With Holyrood being in recess, why is the “Noble Lord” not in France partaking of the wine, and contributing to these columns with his usual hazy aplomb?

Or is it more likely he has along with the rest of the North British Branch of the (New) Labour party been ordered to remain in the trenches to repel those nasty Nationalist invaders.

To George and the rest of the brown envelope members your past endeavours are about to catch up with you all, and May the remainder of your days fleecing the Tax payer be as uncomfortable as possible.

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Traquir , Alba,

11/07/2008 00:34:03
Apparently there are no areas where Labour will
maintain any standard of ethics. Ms Curran
has already been caught lying
about where she even lives, wonder what other lies she
has been telling. Here is yet another one on a topic of critical
importance to Glasgow East - namely drugs -

"I have to tell Mr Sheridan that he is not listening to the ordinary people of Glasgow if he thinks that cannabis is not a problem. I will take Mr Sheridan to my constituency and show him the serious consequences of young people taking cannabis and then mixing it with other illegal drugs. Mothers Against Drugs will tell Mr Sheridan categorically, as they have told me, that the way that cannabis is used on the streets in Glasgow leads to extremely risky behaviour, to very serious problems"

see - tinyurl.com/6z4sgq

"At one point, acting as executive spokesperson, she delivered an emotive speech against the legalisation of cannabis during a debate on this issue, which surprised some people who knew that she had smoked the substance herself when she was a student."

see - tinyurl.com/584o6j

Daily Record, October 21, 1999

"LABOUR'S dope-smoking nightmare worsened last night over claims that more of their MSPs want to legalise cannabis."

"And MSPs Cathie Peattie, Cathy Jamieson and Margaret Curran were also said to have backed the move in a survey for the Big Issue magazine."

"Jamieson and Curran also hit out at the survey and claimed their names were not supposed to have been revealed."

see - tinyurl.com/6duuzy

New Labour are an embarrassment to Scotland and
need to be wiped off the political landscape.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 00:49:45

"Holy Watergate"!,?

The "embryo bill" has much interest in our lives as my DYW and I are in the middle of it, so to Speak!

I am no fan of Gordon Brown, but I might be now, the delay WAS Necessary, why be the,..

'Headless Chickens' Rushing into such an Important Issue,?

A 'Handful of People' making a rushed decision that will affect millions of lives and potential lives , must be WRONNG!

This Time its a,..

GOOD ON YOU GORDON BROWN!
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Nikostratos,

11/07/2008 00:51:26
#7 karinxxx,

karinxxx, you are a nut if you find the evidence give us a link

#24 Traquir

wow! she smoked cannabis as a student .......how highly unusual no doubt she was the only student to do so..........Traquir get a life pleese
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Traquir , Alba,

11/07/2008 00:54:12
32 Nikostratos

"#24 Traquir

wow! she smoked cannabis as a student .......how highly unusual no doubt she was the only student to do so..........Traquir get a life pleese"

The fact she did it is not surprising the lies
are what I was point out, perhaps you need
puff a bit less and bother reading the posts
properly :)
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 11/07/2008 00:55:47
#24

I kinda figured Magga was buzzed. Nobody could act that erratic or paranoid without a load of whacky tabaccy on board.
Probably phoning for the carry out pizza and putting on Led Zeppelin as I type this.

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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 00:58:05
Nicola Sturgeon just lurches from one failed policy to another.

This latest development is a disgrace, who is that man she is with by the way?
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Iainbroch,

Moray 11/07/2008 01:05:13
Fookes - the same drunk that bent over for Vlad the Impaler.
I guess he saw the opinion poll giving the SNP a huge lead in Glesga East.
Or was it the flags at half mast at Parkhead after they heard Barry Ferguson was going to be crocked for 3 months and Rangers might actually do something next season.
Or is the embryo bill being rushed through because they have identified the mutation that results in producing non Liebaah voting tendencies and other such criminality?
Besides I had to go to Phillipinnes to find practising Catholics. Where you just need to look at the girls and they get pregnant? I never saw any drunks there either.

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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 01:10:17
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I don't like Labour either. Who is that guy beside Nicola Sturgeon by the way? Is it that tv chef Heston Blumenfeld? I'm sure I;ve seen that guy before, what's he doing beside Sturgeon? Is she trying to bring this nobody to someone's attention?
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LEAL,

11/07/2008 01:12:46
George Foulkes is an asset to the SNP almost on a par with Wendy.
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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 01:14:09
I hope that SNP supporters racist and derrogatory comments get deleted.

Please everyone report those racist comments, while I respect Nationalism, racism like that in the BNP has no place on these boards. As much as dislike the SNP, I agree they are not as racist as the BNP, so please can the SNP supporters desist from such vulgarity?
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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 01:14:49
44

Thanks for that, but do you know the mystery man's name? Would love to know, who is he?
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Steve,

Bo'ness 11/07/2008 01:19:36
45, go to bed. You are making a complete fool of yourself. And if you think your spiteful patter is going to win Labour a by-election, you are sorely mistaken.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 01:21:30

McPravda blog ~39,

You are holding the Fort Nicely!

Justice is all I want to see!
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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 01:25:09
49 Steve

I hope that you are not associating yourself with the racist comments at 25 and 31.

While you may not see eye to eye with the majority of people in Scotland politically, I would have hoped even an SNP voter like yourself would have been quicker to dissaciate yourself with such crass racism.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 01:29:20

McPravda blog ~53,

I like Wendy BTW! and admire her!

Its NOT the Last we will hear from Her!
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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 01:37:58
56

Fortunately some people heided my advice and reported the disgustingly racist comments from that Nationalist at 25 and 31 and the comments have now been deleted.

I would have thought rather than try and hound me about trying to get racism from nationalists deleted you would have denounced it also.

Shame on you.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 01:39:43
"If you should be a Catholic voter who is easily swayed by Labour postponing the decision on embryo laws, then you might also be interested in our new, once only offer: The Margaret Curran special. We will fudge our view on whether or not the Government were right to go to war with Iraq, we'll throw in a fudged view on whether or not road tax should go up, and we'll fudge the issue on whether or not it's right to detain people for 40 days if suspected of terrorist charges (or if they look dodgy). We'll also throw in a free promise to ask the chancellor to come up and speak to some folk - probably handpicked Labour activists - and ask what they think. So don't forget: it's Labour, it's big, and it's oh so very clever. Vote Margaret Curran."
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 11/07/2008 01:42:56
Here's hoping that Lord Geordie and Wendy canvass the East of Glasgow together.

What a double act.

It's worth remembering with Lord Geordie that he was the one that was 'parachuted' into Holyrood by the Labour high-heid yins to give the rest of their MSP's the benifit of his experience, which when you see how they have done, explains an awful lot!
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Sanny,

Portugal 11/07/2008 01:44:20
7 karinxxx
Well done Karin! I’ve repeatedly tried to get people to read the Scottish-UN papers which give the background to process whereby we gained Devolution. It was in the last days of Majors office that the Council of Europe threatened sanctions if the Westminster did not introduce a more democratic system. Lucky for Major he didn’t have time to do anything about and handed the bomb to Blair. Unable to do anything about it he lied and said it was part of Labour policy!!

I look forward to reading this document you’ve unearthed. I had approached Dr Wilkie about releasing further information but is restricted in what he is allowed to say.

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karinxxx,

11/07/2008 01:44:34
air falbh thu trolls.
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Rosscobhoy,

11/07/2008 01:47:10
I think the press are making far more of the Embryo thing than the voters will. Labours record on the economy and improving the East end so far will be the big vote swinnger here. I think Labour will still win this seat, i'd be amazed if they didn't, but a big swing away from them would send out a message and show what is on its way, cos the economic outlok will only get worse over the next year to year and a half. They are fecked for the next General Election, thats for sure.
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karinxxx,

11/07/2008 01:48:02
sanny put in an foi request to the foreign office because i can only get certain years they do the whole that is by the time limit thing. request either

the Council of Europe’s monitoring committee only over a maximum 2 years.
OR
? the monitoring of democracy in a specified country over a 1 year period for this one go for scotland.

start with 1993 and go from there. if you also request it which you can do by email from whereever you live then they have to give it to you.
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karinxxx,

11/07/2008 01:49:27
if they come back and say we cant do that it would take to long they let you refine your request it just takes longer but eventually you get something. The cabinet office were not playing at all and said they had nothing.
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Sanny,

Upwey 11/07/2008 01:49:37
9 Number: 6
You have just demonstrated the abysmal level of your ignorance of what will prove to be the most important documents in the modern government of the constituent parts of the United Kingdom.

Try doing a little research you might actually learn something and not appear such a fool all the time!

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karinxxx,

11/07/2008 01:49:51
its a paper trail but if you get one document it will lead by the date to another.
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karinxxx,

11/07/2008 01:52:47
im still waiting on one from teh cairns office which was referred to the scottish office but there is some trickery going on there because cairns and brownes office has all the info pre devolution and it specifically says it belfongs to them..
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Sanny,

Portugal 11/07/2008 01:52:53
Thanks Karin will start the research as soon as I have time. Stuck on a time consuming project at present.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 01:54:46
A wee quiz folks. True or false:

1) Margaret Curran was the Labour Party's first choice as candidate for Glasgow East.

2) Margaret Curran said she was the first choice as the Labour Party candidate for Glasgow East.

3) Margaret Curran lives and has always lived in Glasgow East.

4) Margaret Curran said she lived and has always lived in Glasgow East.

5) Stephen Purcell and Frank McAveety were out knocking the doors in Glasgow East last week.

6) After knocking the doors in Glasgow East last week, who declined to stand for the seat?

Stephen Purcell and/or Frank McAveety

7) Labour: Standing up for the East End?

The winner will get a signed copy of Jack McConnell's autobiography: "Tony and Me: our socialist revolution."
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karinxxx,

11/07/2008 01:57:12
sanny i really dont think im anywhere near finding the exact document i need but im closer than i was a month ago. i know where the trail starts now.
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Guga II,

Rockall 11/07/2008 02:08:06
Forfoulkesake, the Hootsmon persists in digging up that drunk and disorderly nobody to make a comment. How much do the Hootsmon pay him for the rubbish he spouts?

Now we have Maggie Broon, playing games to try and get the Catholic vote. Quite pathetic for a son of the manse. Then again, Vidkun Quisling was also a son of the manse.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 11/07/2008 02:09:55
I know this is way of topic but........why no comments allowed on the story of the MOD having to pay out millions on compensation to those Iraq's, one who was killed?

Is it because Britian being accused of war crimes at such a sensitive time might not look to good?

What politican should we hold responsible anyway?
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Sanny,

Portugal 11/07/2008 02:11:09
72 karinxxx

GOOD LUCK AND GOODNIGHT
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indune1,

Canada 11/07/2008 02:29:45

karinxx - how are you my sweet? I had the piano removed for cleaning.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

11/07/2008 02:40:46
"OK, vote for us and we'll kill the babies later" said Gordon Brown to the terminally superstitious in a desperate bid for votes.

Hey Alberto: I saw that band play way back when.
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Edward,

11/07/2008 02:49:56
Newsnight Scotlands, much trailed debate between Margaret Curran and John Mason, which was scheduled for last night, didnt happen. Reason given by the boy Gordon was they were instructed by BBC Management that it should be will ALL the candidates. Which will be on Sunday. So instead Gordon interviewed Margaret Curran (well balanced innit!) Again the statement she was first choice was given. The interview was upto to usual standard for Ms Curran. Found it hillariously mind numbing!. Hope someone has got it on Youtube, failing that hope the Beeb dont manage to mysteriously loose it
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yankey,

Leeds 11/07/2008 03:36:28


BONESS HARBOUR

As one who prays
God save us from the Religious

Perhaps a catholic can explain what the answer is to a keen churchman and Labour Cooncilloor

Father I have sinned
I have betrayed my fellow Catholics who voted for me and trust me and sold the biggest asset in the town for £50,000

Right my Son
Two Hail Marys ... and 10% to the CHURCH

Is that how it works ???

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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 04:40:59
Having had the racism deleted from nationalists (who else?) at 25 and 31, I hope that the bigotted catholic/jewish/islamic insults at 82 are deleted (also made by a nationalist).

Disgraceful. Please report.
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Jaggy,

11/07/2008 05:24:19
Glasgow East is showing the whole world the extent to which the RC church controls the West of Scotland Labour part and influences the Labout government. It is hardly healthy for democracy to have unelected cardinals and bisops dictating policy to a supposedly democratic government.
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Ubi,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 05:44:38
If this is viewed as another cynical manipulation of the people by Labour, and is counter-productive, then justice will have been served.

The mangy old Labour dog hasn't learned any new tricks since the attempt to rig the Scottish ballot last year exploded in its muzzle.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 11/07/2008 06:10:01
The labour party has and will not stop falling into the political void with mixing their pathetic religous views and useing that as an answer to thier COMPLETE AND UTTER LIES. Labour are now discredited in SCOTLAND GOODBYE!!!!!!!!!!
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donald,

glasgow 11/07/2008 06:44:24
Labour has always played the Sectarian card, "Home Rule is Rome Rule/A Free Scotland is Free Kirk". etc, both ends to the middle. Spot the Labour numpty MPs, MSPs, MEPs, Cooncillors, etc, at Ibrox and Parkheid. Spot the Labour Loyalists and Royalists in the Parkheid Boardroom. Being of the "Forces of the Crown" is compulsory.

Will John Reid and Brian Wilson canvas the Loyalist pubs in Duke Street with their Celtic rosettes?
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 07:23:13
Litany of Lies


Could you vote for these people?????????????????

1. We have to invade Iraq, Saddam has WMD
2. WMD can be deployed in hours.
3. We will hold a referendum on the EU constitution.
4. We don’t accept cash for honours.
5. I have done nothing wrong
6. I have nothing wrong knowingly.
7. I broke the law – unknowingly.
8. Comrade Broon fully agrees with my referendum call
9. I have ended the boom/bust cycle.
10. There will only be 13,000 immigrants when the EU expands.
11. I have lived in Glasgow East all my life
12. More motorists will gain rather than lose by the car tax rises


I’m sure I’ve missed heaps. Feel free to add to the list
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 07:38:36
#90
#90

Do you think the people of Iraq think having their country obliterated is on a par with £2000 for first time buyers???

I'm sure the electorate of Glasgow East will think carefully before they cast their votes.

No wonder your sleaze ridden party is crumbling before our eyes.

I see Red Wendy was back in the news again yesterday. Any thoughts on that, Comrade?????
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cabrach loon,

inverness 11/07/2008 07:48:55
more nugov spin and bribery - is there anything new in the brown streak
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M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State...... Coatbridge 11/07/2008 07:53:16
#43
I agree with your sentiments; just not sure if Wendy shade's it a bit.... but then George is a plonker of that there is no doubt ?
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 08:05:12
I see Comrade Broon is trying to divert attention away from the shambles he has created in Scotland.

From the Independent.

Gordon Brown is being accused of preparing for a military adventure in Africa after he pledged to provide backing to the Nigerian security forces.

I'm sure the poor voters of Glasgow East will be following events in Nigeria closely??
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

11/07/2008 08:07:09
A schoolboy error here. Everyone knows it's *devout* Catholic, staunch *Protestant*. You can't start messing with this now, Ross Lydall.
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La5t_minit,

11/07/2008 08:25:38
"....Mr Brown previously issued a personal plea for MPs to support the bill, and offered a series of free votes at earlier stages to minimise the risk of a ministerial rebellion".

More freebies from this lunitic to all his mates so he can push through yet another unwanted peice of BS.
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boudica,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 08:27:39
Traquir I see you and your SNP campaigning staff are still hard at work are we paying you by the way ...and you have ommited to inform us of the following ...I can understand why you and your staff didnt want this leaked ..yep the SNP really care for the Public dont they ..is this the SNP Housing Policy of the Future

A POLITICIAN who has campaigned against poor housing owns a flat in a slum building.

SNP councillor Jahangir Hanif is renting the two-bedroomed flat to a family of Romanians in a street so bad that residents have nicknamed it "Ground Zero".

Just last week, Hanif promised at a public meeting that he would bring Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon to the street in Glasgow to show her how appalling it is.

Hanif - whose flat is in Westmoreland Street in Govanhill - told the angry meeting of 200 local residents that it was wrong for landlords to keep the properties in poor condition.

But he failed to tell them that he makes £500 a month renting out his flat there to a family of five Romanian Big Issue sellers.

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Michael,

11/07/2008 08:30:26
http://www.stv.tv/news/Labour_Lauches_byelection_campaign_080708151253368

Now you know why they said Wendy was the brainy one.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 08:36:16
YouGov poll in the Daily Telegraph today which puts the SNP ahead of Labour in voting intentions for a UK General Election (change from the 2005 election in brackets):

SNP: 33% (+15)
Lab: 29% (-11)
Con: 20% (+4)
Lib Dem: 14% (-9)

Last October Labour had a lead of 42% to 27% for the SNP in the YouGov poll.

The poll shows that most Scots want the SNP to win the Glasgow East by-election:

49% want the SNP’s John Mason to win. 33% want Labour’s Margaret Curran to win.

However we have Daily Record acting as a propaganda sheet for Labour and publication costs should be included in Labour’s election expenses.
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boudica,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 08:39:51
Jimmy the Pie here are a couple to add to your List

13 I Alec Salmond have claimed more Expenses from
Westminster in less than 7yrs than Gordon Brown to the tune of £815.692
14 I Nicole Sturgeon totally ignored Report on Dealing with Deadly Infections when as health Minister I have should have read it and implimented the the findings as soon as possible but even though I had repeated warnings on C-Diff outbreak that have resulted in Deaths.... but I hope to gain sympathy for my error by revealing that I also lost a family member who suffered from this at the end of their life will go some way to get me out of this mess ...
14..Our fight Against Slum Landlords in Glasgow with be Fronted by a Slum Landlord ..well as they say it takes one to know one ..we do see this as a successful stragegy ....
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Linda,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 08:42:20
FROM SUNDAY HERALD 27 April 2008-04-27

“Respected” politician Lord George Foulkes has 3 jobs, but claimed overnight expenses on property he owned.
A SENIOR Labour peer has been criticised after he claimed nearly £45,000 in overnight expenses to stay in a property he inherited from his late mother.
George Foulkes, who is also an MSP, billed the public to stay in a London flat registered as his company's address.
In 2005, he sold one Edinburgh property and bought another in the capital for £305,000 , without a mortgage. He sold his home in Ayrshire for £600,000 - a deal that made him a £400,000 profit - and bought a cottage in Maybole for £280,000, again without a loan.
His London abode also appears to be the business address for his work as a director and political consultant with Carrick Court Associates, which makes £50,000 per year.

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Dung like a Honky,

paradise 11/07/2008 08:50:38
if o'brien continues to meddle in politics he should be sent back to Ireland where he belongs. It's ridiculous that these dress-wearing and kiddy fiddling deists are given such press coverage at all. If they want to believe in their invisible friend and participate in pseudo cannibalism on a Sunday then let them do it somewhere else, but let them pay for it themselves and not the taxpayer.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

11/07/2008 08:54:08
#106 Much as I agree with your sentiment (he should stop misrepresenting Catholic views and meddling in politics) the idea that he belongs in Ireland is faintly ridiculous. He has lived in Scotland since he was about 7. He went to school with my mum.
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 09:04:32
What is the significance of this paper printing:

"Glasgow East has the fifth-highest number of Catholics in Scotland with more than a third of its voter some 23,185 declaring themselves Catholics in the last sentence. The constituency is also home to Celtic Park"

Does the "also" assume that only Catholics support Celtic?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 09:06:00
Of course Gordon Brown has lower expenses. It is cheaper to travel from Kirkcaldy to London than from North East. Also how often does Gordon Brown visit his constituency?
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 09:12:18
103 Boudica

Did you factor into your statement regarding expenses that Gordon Brown has had his "grace and favour" residence paid for by tax-payers for the last ten years. Presumably his taxes are on top of that.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

11/07/2008 09:14:05
#108 Are you suggesting that the generally accepted idea that many Celtic supporters are Catholics is false? There was no suggestion that "only" Catholics are Celtic supporters as far as I can see.
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 09:17:56
So Comrade Broon wants the controversial Embryo Bill shelved until after the by-election.

We should make sure it stays in the forefront
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Nikostratos,

11/07/2008 09:18:49
#101 Linda

What with all i say 'all' the disasters etc for labour over the last 12 months. The surprise is this poll only has a lead of 4% (margin of error ) when even the tories are showing far larger leads(although shrinking)
The truth is the snp should be doing much better than this poll indicates.

Only third of Scots favour independence
"The "No" vote has a clear 12 point lead over the "Yes" vote, with 48 per against independence, 36 per cent in favour and 14 per cent unsure. Some previous polls have shown a much narrower margin between the two camps.

In a previous YouGov poll, when a third option of increased powers for a devolved parliament was included, only 19 per cent backed independence."

"However, pro-Union parties can take heart from the fact that a majority of(scots) voters not only oppose the break-up of the UK, but are also comfortable with the "furniture" of Unionism."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/2281959/Only-third-of-Scots-favour-independence.html

Linda every silver lining has a cloud and in the snps case a big black one..Oh dear shame never mind
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Dung like a Honky,

paradise 11/07/2008 09:20:22
#107. Exactly my point Duncan. Whether he came here at 7 or 70 is moot. He remains a guest in the UK and should behave accordingly.
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 09:22:56
Watching Comrade Curran on Newsnicht I was amazed when she said she would bring Comrade Darling to the constituency to show him the problems.

Was the last MP, Comrade Harrison (Now retired!), too busy skimming his £500K to do anything for his constituents????

This sums up New Labour Sleaze.
They care about their pals in the city and don't give a 4xxx for the electorate!
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 09:27:55
111 Duncan

Why bring Celtic Park into the equation?

By your reckoning, therefore, they should have mentioned that the "Forge Shopping Centre" is also in the constituency on the likelihood that more Catholics than any other religion go shopping there.
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Wee Hugh,

11/07/2008 09:28:33
Re 115

Cardinal O'Brien was born in Northern Ireland which the last time I looked was part of the United Kingdom.
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 09:43:38
Why bring Celtic FC into this?
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 09:44:04
Will Maggie Curran be encouraging all the electorate of Glasgow East/South to take part in Comrade Broon's 'Britishness Day'.

It'll be a lovely photo shoot, with everyone waving their Union Jacks , all the houses covered in red, white and blue bunting and all the kids with their Union Jack face paint on.

Comrade Broon could even visit!!!
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 11/07/2008 09:44:53
The mind boggles at the contempt in which Brown holds Roman Catholics voters in this by election. Does he honestly believe that in postponing the Bill RC voters, who are committedly against this legislation and in consequence likely to vote against Labour, will now vote for Labour.

This is contempt with a capital C. This is one pathetic politician.
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 11/07/2008 09:48:29
Why does Jimmy the Pie not just come out and declare his party allegiance. Why are Tories so unwilling to put forward the policies of their party?
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Pink Sombrero,

11/07/2008 09:53:37
Very little (well none in fact) of the fact that Wendy Alexander was told by parliamentary staff that she should register those cash donations. Why is this?

And judging by the shrill panic and desperation in boudica's posts I thunk we can conclude the Labour campaign for Newton Mearns/Glasgow East is not going too well,

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Alan B,

11/07/2008 09:54:27
Labour sink lower and lower.

Scotland would be a far better place if this morally corrupt party could be wiped off the political map in scotland.
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 09:57:52

Red Tower, Dunoon

I'm pretty much centre left, when it comes to political lines. Much further to the left than any of the New Labour Sleaze Comrades. As for my party it has always been SNP and until Scotland is independent, always will be.
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Who Ate All The Pies,

Dunblane 11/07/2008 10:04:02
#87 Donald.

Go back to your cesspit of hatred and bigotry. Celtic Football Club is non sectarian and shame on the editor for allowing it to be entered into this article.
It really has no place here.
John Reid ex pupil of St Patrick's High, Coatbridge - catholic school. Brian Wilson - son of a presbyterian minister and outspoken critic of bigotry. Seems like a perfect mix to me.
The embryo bill is not about catholic, Celtic or anything else, it is about a principled viewpoint on life. Perhaps I may reconsider my pro-life position when I realise that it freely allows bigots like you to exist
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 11/07/2008 10:05:19
This is like a mugger saying give me your money and I will wait till next week before giving you a good kicking. It's good that he's giving his victims a warning but I think if it was me I would be avoiding a political mugging...
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voltaire's janny,

11/07/2008 10:07:26
93 - nice one.

Since all religions appeal to superstition I don't see why the degree of self delusion needs any modifying adjectives at all. For me it is sufficient to know someone is religious to know that they are not too tightly wrapped. Benign herd is the kindest description for the less infected.

I suppose though that between heretic burning, jihad waging, support of a fitba team and tombola there are degrees of devoutness.

I wish I'd seen the deleted comments - how did anyone get race into this thread? Surely the Hootsmon is not falling into the PC trap? There is no rational basis for race, and I presume there was no skin colour abuse, so are we talking about the English? Did someone really slag off those dan sarf and another take offence?

You couldn't make it up.


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Ewan Kerr - Juans brother,

11/07/2008 10:10:11
This is a shocking usage of religion in politics. It just goes to show the moral chasm that now replaces the Labour party of old.

The Wendy Alexander breaking the law story. Complete denial. The only hope they have are pieces like that above and the smear stories on SNP councillors in glasgow appearing in the daily retard.

Labour are playing dirty and its only about day 6. Desperation reeks.

I think the SNP should organise buses, in Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee, Glasgow and Stirling. To ship ordinary folks through so as we can show how peeved we are and campaign for the SNP. God knows the folk in Shettleston could do with our attention and the knowledge Scotland is behind them. Shettleston holds the destiny for Scotland it would now seem.

It is beginning to look like a true battle. We remember the Battle of Falkirk, Bannockburn and Roslin. The swords are away and the vote decides these days. But will we remember it in 50 years time?

Shettleston could be a major inroad into Independence for Scotland. We should show the support of getting their and not just talking a good game.

Anyone got a bus ;-)
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 11/07/2008 10:18:25
# 128
Well you are undoubtedly an odd ball SNP supporter because not one of my many friends in that party would have a go at Brown on the basis that he is a man of the far Left. They like me see him as a creature of the far Right.

if you are "centre left" then you are indeed to the left of Brown and his associates so why suggest that he is to the Left of you. The term "Comrade" is a derogatory term used by some Tories when referring to Labour supporters who they still see as crypto-communists. And those who still use it are very much on the far Right of even that party.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 11/07/2008 10:22:39
If Labour think this will remove this issue from the debate they are going to be seriously disappointed.
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Ewan Kerr - Juans brother,

11/07/2008 10:26:09
#133 - Jimmy never said brown was far right just his party had become it. Gordon Brown is deffinately right wing but still kidding himself on he's a man of the peepel

I am an ex labour voter myself who saw the light circa 1997 about how the labour party had been taken over by tories seeking a vehicle.
The SNP in my view are capitalist to operate on a Global level, but on socialist/social welfare basis
enough to their own nation in return. I would place SNP far to the left of Labour these days.

Labour are trying to reuse the LAbour of old for their own purposes these days. And if any of the politicians believe they still are , then I would reccommend a wee or two in a secure ward.
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 10:28:42
Red Tower, Dunoon

The reason I refer to Broon as Comrade, to Wendy as Red, is because they are playing for the traditional Old Labour vote, making out they are 'socialists' when in reality they don't give a $hit for the fools who vote for them.

They are on a par with the present Tory party.

When I listen to the pious drivel coming from all the New Labour Sleaze worthies, 'understanding the pain you all feel' I feel like vomiting (no I'm not John Prescott!)
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 10:37:37
Just read a good article in the Guardian

A game of tennis with Tony Blair was one of the items under auction last night at a fundraising dinner to boost the coffers of the cash-strapped Labour party.

The party, which is believed to be more than £20m in debt, raised hundreds of thousands of pounds at the event attended by Gordon Brown.

The party says it will use the money to help fight the next general election.

Brown joined cabinet ministers, supporters, sportsmen and a handful of celebrities for the sports celebration dinner at Wembley Stadium. Blair, a known tennis enthusiast, was nowhere to be seen.

Good to see Comrade Broon in attendance.

Now we can see how busy he is with affairs of state!!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jul/11/labour.tonyblair
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 11/07/2008 10:37:38
I had a sneaky look in to the Daily Record website where Ms Curran was criticising the SNP's Jail Release policy. As far as I was aware the Report by Henry McLeish, Former Labour First Minister was only up for consideration and debate and had not been accepted by Scottish Government as policy. It seems to me that Labour are desperate in this by-election. Every lie, innuendo, falsehood, smear will be used to try and save their bacon in Glasgow East.

Also Ms Curran's plea to the Chancellor to come to the east end of Glasgow to see how poor folks live seems bizarre as Alastair Darling is an Edinburgh MP. Is she suggesting that he is ignorant of the plight of Scotland's poor. I always thought he had a very limited contact with, and little understanding of, the lower classes, but now Ms Curran is confirming that my thoughts were well grounded.

She also stated that the poor always suffer under an economic downturn. I would say they suffer equally in periods of general economic prosperity. It is the middle classes who suffer under a downturn. But Labour's concern for the lower classes was replaced by their concern for the middle classes (the voting class) quite some time ago. Most of those who run the Labour Party abandoned their working class roots some time ago when they 'aspired' to become middle class and move to the pleasant middle-class suburbs.
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Arfur,

11/07/2008 10:38:00
#6 The Great Deception - No, knowing that people like yourself are still breed in this country embarrasses me.
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 11/07/2008 10:42:59
#135
I am of the same ilk as you. I was a card-crrying member of the Labour Party for 36 years--right up to the time my fatally-ill wife was denied a drug by Labour's healthcare-rationing authority ,the cynically named National Institute of Clinical Excellence(NICE).

My point about references to "Comrade" Brown is that it is counter-productive to label him so. Since it bestows on him a political belief and commitment which he does not have. In fact it actually HELPS him to reach out to Old Labour voters.
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Miss H,

11/07/2008 11:01:15
As someone who campaigns regularly in the west of Scotland and who has been campaigning in Glasgow East I think the idea that there is such a thing as a ‘Catholic’ vote is old fashioned and stupid.

There IS such a thing as a religious vote and issues like embryology are red button issues for these people - but that doesn’t mean that they are red button issues for everyone who is nominally RC or of any other denomination for that matter.

So what Labour are doing here is sending out a signal rather than anything else. I would have said they are using a dog whistle except that they must have actually briefed the press on that decision because I really don’t think it is likely that this story would be running if they hadn’t.

It’s a sign of desperation, along with remarks about the SNP candidate being a bachelor and a member of the Baptist Church etc.

It’s a sign of desperation and also shows how very out of touch they are. People in Glasgow East do not live in a time bubble from thirty years ago. They are really no different to people living in the west end or south side where Margaret Curran actually lives. But to hear her you would think the east end is still stuck around about 1970. I know bits of it look that way but it’s not the case.
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European Scot,

11/07/2008 11:05:41
143 The Spook in Leith

Spook, you beat me to it ! Still I'll add my bit too if I may !

114 Nikostratos

"Only third of Scots favour independence
"The "No" vote has a clear 12 point lead over the "Yes" vote, with 48 per against independence, 36 per cent in favour and 14 per cent unsure "

Yet here we have the TNS Poll from this month
Agree or disagree to Scottish independence (changes since last August inbrackets)

Agree: 39% (+4)
Disagree: 41% (-9)

Source: TNS System Three
Methodology: Interviews with 1,000 Scottish voters, conducted from Jun. 25 to Jul. 1, 2008. No margin of error was provided.

The truth is, poll results vary according to the questions, and the way they are laid out. I really wouldn't want to bet on this one either way, not at the moment.
There is one thing on the Independence supporters side, and that is the way the rest of the Free World behaves when it comes to this subject.
The vast majority of people have supported the Independence of their respective countries.
If you look at the percentages of 'undecided' Scottish voters in various polls, when it comes to the crunch, I believe those voters will mirror World trends, and come out in support of their country.
Most Scots will support their country when it comes down it, Scotland.
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Ewan Kerr - Juans brother,

11/07/2008 11:09:44
#141 - Red Tower - Ok then Fuhrer? As re represents pretty much all of the facets hitler used with spin in government. Look at the recent handling of the Wendy Alexander affairs, the Lord Levy stuff, Cooper/Balls.

They are tories pure and simple , treating the rest like plebs. The New Labour party is just a vehicle inspired by Mandelson, Broon and Tony to get their hands on power. The modern LAbour party is about how things seem on camera in the same manner Romanias long dead ex president used to tour shops and have them especialy filled so it looked good on camera.When in fact the rest of the country had nothing on the shelves.
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European Scot,

11/07/2008 11:18:32
152 'The professional'

I guess I could us some 'Hawkeyes too !
To think, I was going to congratulate you on your exams as well !!
LOL
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 11/07/2008 11:19:17
Just when I thought that Gordon Brown could not get any lower....
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European Scot,

11/07/2008 11:21:13
152 Spook

Try 'use', jeez I must wake up !
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Talorthane,

11/07/2008 11:22:34
A new Westminster poll out today.

http://www.snp.org/n
ode/14048


Voting intention

SNP: 33% (+15)
Lab: 29% (-11)
Con: 20% (+4)
Lib Dem: 14% (-9)


On Glasgow East by-election

49% want the SNP’s John Mason to win.
33% want Labour’s Margaret Curran to win.


On Independence in Europe:

11% believe Scotland should be in UK within the EU
66% believe Scotland should independent within the EU
17% believe Scotland should leave the EU
5% don’t know
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Nikostratos,

11/07/2008 11:29:08
#145 spook

Um! very strange goings on last night i wonder who was behind it all....

anyway just off for me egg and bacon late breakfast......
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European Scot,

11/07/2008 11:32:53
157 Talorthane

"Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah, Zip-a-Dee-Day !

It's looking good.
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European Scot,

11/07/2008 11:37:00
158 The Spook in Leith

Sounds about right ! !
LOL
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Wee Wull,

Nr Peebles 11/07/2008 11:38:03
Just noticed that George Foulkes has admitted that the he sees the SNP as respectable at Holyrood.(Second last para of article) It could be that Salmond is winning him over after all.
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Ewan Kerr - Juans brother,

11/07/2008 11:38:36
#157 - I am flabber gasted at how Labour is still getting 30% of the poll. I can only put this doewn to tories still trying to think their hip and swinging and are voting for a party that believes in socialism.Whilst fulfiling their more worldly needs.

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Ewan Kerr - Juans brother,

11/07/2008 11:40:12
#162 - then he just might gain some respect instead of being remembered as a machine politician and geberal Yes man.
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 11:45:09
163 Spook

I left you a message the other day re a guy I saw outside the Persevere. I don't know if you got it as I've been in hibernation since Hibs got beat.

Good post again - ah, the benefits of a uni education(paid for by us tax-payers. He He!!
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 12:07:43
167 Spook

On my way to San Siro I saw Brad Pitt standing outside the Persevere. He obviously did not want to be recognised as he had a "Waitrose" bag over his head. He was walking a bit funny as I understand he burnt his bot in Majorca.

I'm off to the Hebrides for a fort-night so I'll need to tie some sheep to the generator so I can check if British Pride is still recruiting for the SNP.
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 12:15:07
171 British Pride

Oh dear, the nats will be rubbing their hands with glee as their independence efforts are boosted by your presence.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 11/07/2008 12:20:53
If ever there was a more glaring example and exposure of our sham democracy inside the dis-unted UK, the obnoxious Foulkes is it's most vile example.
Being Ayrshire born during the early 1920s, I even feel sick at the mere mention of this apology of a human being's name. He characterises the depth of political depravity the sleazy lying, corrupted reviled New Labour has descended too.
No decent human being whatever their political or religous persuasion; surely, would baulk at the very thought off ever voting for such a shower of discredited impostors.
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 11/07/2008 12:29:04
#151
You say: "They (the Labour Party) are Tories pure and simple". CORRECT. That is what I have been saying all along and that is what people should be told over and over again.

My point is: that you do NOT get that message across by calling Gordon Brown, COMRADE Brown. In fact you do the very opposite.

For the SNP to succeed they must attract disenchanted Old Labour voters. The kind of folk who still think back warmly to the days when Labour was a working class, non-Marxist, left-of-centre party. The type of party, nostalgia for which can still be conjured up by the term ,"Comrade".

In short, to call Brown "Comrade" in political and tactical terms is inept.
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If a nut said it, it's HM,

11/07/2008 12:38:16
Nuff said.
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Mirrorman ,

11/07/2008 12:38:51
#168: are you a fakey? We all know that Hen Broon was deleted on the "SNP argues blind panic" thread yesterday. Enough of your fanatical conspiracy theory: many Labour politicians were fully behind Scottish devolution, such as John Smith who described it as "unfinished business". It would have happened with or without the Nats (oh happy world if they didn't exist in Scotland!)
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Pink Sombrero,

11/07/2008 12:50:56
190. HM gets back to his "in tray"

http://humormeblog.beloblog.com/archives/mcdonald's
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dundee8cologne1,

west lothian 11/07/2008 12:57:11
"Any objective analysis would lead you to believe this decision was politically motivated."...well how objective an analysis is it when it comes from the Tories!! meanwhile the Lib Dems agree with the action. Just where did the Political Editor get this headline from?

#193 - I know friends that would never vote SNP that are openly discussing it based on a Tory Westminster government scenario.
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monkey man,

11/07/2008 13:06:19
I'm sure the denizens of Glasgow East of a morning regularly debate the moral dilemmas of embryo research whilst partaking of the Buckfast. lol
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view from the grassy knoll,

11/07/2008 13:06:42
re mr bean - ye coulnae make this up

in the midst of the marching season to stoke sectarian fires takes some doing.......or is that also outside his control?

who is advising on the new labour project now campbell has gone?

...i will do my utmost .........to create mayhem in everything i do.......in every day, in every way .....
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

11/07/2008 13:14:07
#146 I made the point the other day that religion could play a part in this campaign - looks like I was right. I don't believe that Labour are treating RC voters as a block - but that there are a significant minority of RC voters who could swayed by such an issue.

PS It's a good job John Mason is a Clyde fan - otherwise the retard would have him painted as a lifelong Rangers season-ticket holder by the end of this campaign . . .

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Miss H,

11/07/2008 14:06:50
208 Well I had hoped they wouldn't - not least because it gives completely the wrong impression of Glasgow and panders to all kinds of out-of-date stereotypes. Agree that a significant minority of RCs will be affected by embryology issue - but so will a significant minority from other denominations.
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Mirrorman ,

11/07/2008 14:12:04
#168 etc Hen Broon (as was): and don’t come back! Have you got the message yet that your nationalist uber bile isn’t welcome here?
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 14:42:17
213 Mirrorman

No word of British Pride being erased then? Of course, he shares your view-point!

205 Monkey

Your posting is as offensive as your very apt moniker.
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monkey man,

11/07/2008 15:05:29
# 214 Brownlie

Do you REALLY imagine the punters in the East End are interested or even know what embryo research is.? Or when its running in the 4 o'clock at Kempton.?
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westview,

on the horizon 11/07/2008 15:24:40
This Glasgow East vote is a great chance for the undecided voters in the area to give the Lords and Masters in London a boot up the back side. It is not a General Election. They can change their vote in two years when the big election takes place if they wish. This is their best chance ever ,to get improvements to their area ,by frightening the Westminster establishment. Vote for change from 50 years of old political failures.
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Mirrorman ,

11/07/2008 15:29:36
#217 Hen Broon (soon to be deleted yet again): we can all read the Guardian if we want to, so kindly stop all this spamming. What’s a nationalist fanatic like you doing reading what you would no doubt term an English New Labour rag anyway? You really should stick to your Taran Tory Sunday Post. Now begone!
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Mirrorman ,

11/07/2008 15:42:48
#215 & 217 etc: bye! I would urge anyone who sees a "Hen Broon" moniker to report it. He was deleted twice on the "SNP argues blind panic" thread yesterday and has been deleted twice here and on today's Haltemprice byelection thread. Report this menace on sight, please, for the sake of the sanity of us all!
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 16:16:50
216 Monkey

Yes, I REALLY do imagine so. I suspect that I know many more than you do. How arrogant of you to assume that you are more intelligent and knowledgeable than anyone else.

Your postings would suggest the opposite to be true.
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ThomasP,

11/07/2008 16:28:56
222 BigKennyMac.

Britain is not a country but a Union between Scotland and England.
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 16:30:11
222

Is your nose blue from the left-over woad?
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Pontificatus Maximus of Avignon,

11/07/2008 16:30:27
#222
You should do to yourself what you and your ilk urge others to do to the Pope.
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Stuntman Mike,

11/07/2008 16:40:22
#226 your holiness: or Hen Broon monikers, for that matter!
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 16:54:27
#222 BigKennyMac

Is this them letting you out for the glorious 12th???

Mind and try and keep your knuckles from dragging on the ground.

Does your bowler hat still fit your thick heed?

The Queen must be really proud of you and all your half-witted brethren.

And what is a brether??? or is it that you went to the wrong school that omitted to teach spelling?



Do tell us O loyal one!
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GRANDPA BROON,

the but n ben 11/07/2008 17:01:03
#226. You must cease this as otherwise the unionist sassenach lackeys on the sassenach owned Scotsman will be running crazy trying to find HEN BROON. He's a good boy and looks after me and Ma.

They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere
Is he in heaven or is he in hell?
That demned elusive Pimpernel
He meddles with the Frenchie Revolution
Popping in and out each week
Spoiling every lovely execution
La, what cheek!
They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere
If you should see him, please do give a yell!
That demned elusive Pimpernel
They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere
Oh, Pimpy, how the Frenchies do implore you
Simply to stay home in bed
With all your interference
It's a chore to chop a head!
They seek him here, they seek him there
The ladies seek him everywhere!
He give the Frenchies nothing but frustration
Sink me! He's a spoilsport
Each and every demned decapitation
He cuts short
They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere
Is he in heaven or is he in hell?
That demned elusive Pimpernel
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Iain's,

Barcelona 11/07/2008 17:27:45
Once again, loyal New Labourites have filled comments on this subject with the usual rubbish.

There is nothing new in Labour playing sectarian games. Tony Blair was going regularly to Mass during all of his "we don't do religion2 phase.
Brown is a son of the manse and will act as such.
He is as pro-life as he is honest.

Any RC voting Labour is probably commiting a mortal sin!





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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 17:33:06
BigKennyMac,

What do you think of Muslims, O wise one????

Do you think they are OK as long as they are Protestant Muslims??

Give us some more pearls of wisdom???
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Senga Jean,

11/07/2008 17:33:59
#222 i assume you are not a fascist but steer away from your present writing style as it sounds too ..."Ein Volk.Ein Reich. Ein Fuhrer. " and I would never accuse the Orange Order of that. Incidentally the Orange Order now fly Scotland's flag to show it is Scottish and that it respects the Nation and People. (You may have missed that memo) I personally. as a secularist. profoundly disagree with the Order I also hate the Union for belittling Scotland's hopes and prospects.
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M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State.... Coatbridge 11/07/2008 17:39:11

That we mousy lookin burd who used to be a PR guru for The Lie-aboot-anything-party was on the box the other night saying there was no such thing as "The Catholic vote"....

Is Big Balloon chasing a ghost here? An illusion or what?

But of course he is....he wants to go down as Heathcliffe

Oh sorry...that was down the cliff
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M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State.... Coatbridge 11/07/2008 17:42:53
#222

That big kenny is a laugh...alway's sniffing the blue...I suppose that's why he's got a "blew" nose

At least we'll recognise him, he'll be the clown with the bluenose and the brown mouth.

Come to think of it....it will be hard to tell him apart from the rest
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If a nat said it, it's not true (v.8),

11/07/2008 18:23:39
237. Well, for starters:

Nat claim: "An Independent Scotland would have an annual Government surplus of at least £4.4 billion on current tax figures".

Truth: That is the FORECAST for 2007-08, not every year.

Nat claim: "Scotland has known oil reserves of around 100 years at current rates of extraction"

Truth: This is yet another best-case-scenario FORECAST which in turn includes high-end forecast of possible yields from yet-to-be-discovered oilfields.
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If a nat said it, it's not true (v.8),

11/07/2008 18:23:40
237. Well, for starters:

Nat claim: "An Independent Scotland would have an annual Government surplus of at least £4.4 billion on current tax figures".

Truth: That is the FORECAST for 2007-08, not every year.

Nat claim: "Scotland has known oil reserves of around 100 years at current rates of extraction"

Truth: This is yet another best-case-scenario FORECAST which in turn includes high-end forecast of possible yields from yet-to-be-discovered oilfields.
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Alba Abú,

11/07/2008 18:37:49
222 Kenny...... I am Protestant, Scottish and proud to be both. I dont consider myself to be British. The orange order to me,are a Fascist group of 17th century bigots,with no place in a modern world. If the prime minister of England wishes to do something practicle for Catholics,he should abolish the sectarian anti-Catholic, British act of settlement 1701. This hate act is the jewel in the crown of the Fascist orange order. As for the loyalty of the orangemen in the north of Ireland,they have made it abundantly clear that their loyalty and Britishness is "conditional,"on retention of the sectarian act of settlement.
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Miss H,

11/07/2008 18:52:23
239 Perhaps it is English lessons you need. Nothing in the 'Nat claim' is untrue. You are just not very good at reading are you?
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Union is Best,

11/07/2008 18:56:07
238. Well said, especially as the "Nat" claim you deride is from independent accountancy firm Grant Thornton
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Talorthane,

11/07/2008 19:00:56
#239 A nat said it, and I confirmed it's true (v.8.1)

"Nat claim: "An Independent Scotland would have an annual Government surplus of at least £4.4 billion on current tax figures".

Truth: That is the FORECAST for 2007-08, not every year."

That FORECAST was made before most of the recent rises in oil price, so already the FORECAST is underestimating the actual value.



"Nat claim: "Scotland has known oil reserves of around 100 years at current rates of extraction"

Truth: This is yet another best-case-scenario FORECAST which in turn includes high-end forecast of possible yields from yet-to-be-discovered oilfields."

From what I have read, the oil industry does not operate on best-case scenarios. As far as I can see, this estimates are based on oil that they know is there, although they may not yet have the technology to get it all.

It is probable (although not known - as they would not be able to speculate on what they don't know) that there will be much more oil that they have not found yet.
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Truely English,

11/07/2008 19:41:16
240
What else are you but British. You can't be anything else.
It is clear you speak English participate in English cultural persuits. Of course you are British.
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Senga Jean,

11/07/2008 19:51:36
#244 I have travelled the world and I even visited England once. It was nice and the people were very friendly. I am Scottish however and do not understand why you would wish me to change my identity. Would you?
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 19:54:27
Senga

Don't waste any time on Truely Stupid.

He's just a wind up merchant and not a very clever one.
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Jimmy the Pie,

11/07/2008 20:06:24
I wonder what Sunday's headlines will be??

"Confidential medical records found at Law Hospital. Another SNP blunder" By Hamish Bought and Paidfor.

"Landslides in Borders. Salmond should have known" Exclusive by Dougie Fraser

"T in Park washout. Why did SNP choose this weekend"
by Wendy Alexander.

"Sun shines on Orange Order. Looks good for the Union" by Father Cairns
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Truely English,

11/07/2008 20:08:34
247
What is Scottish about T in the Park?

Another English cultural event is it not?
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Conan the Librarian™,

11/07/2008 20:13:14
248
No, this is the English one Truely.

http://www.mediastorehouse.com/image/Animals-Chimps-Tea-Party-London-Zoo_680205.jpg
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Truely English,

11/07/2008 20:15:28
247
I suppose Scottish Ballet is Scottish, The BBC and of course O Flower of Scotland all carried out using English.
Then you have Scotland The Brave sung in English another great Scottish National Anthem.
Yes we English are British just like the Scots.
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Truely English,

11/07/2008 20:18:01
245
You have no need to change your identity as the Scots are British just like the English are.
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Truely English,

11/07/2008 20:25:49
251
It is said that Morris Dancing originated in Scotland and only died out there in the late 1800's so if anything Morris dancing belongs to Scotland.

The Proms also take place at the Usher Hall each year where the song Land of Hope and Glory which was I understand was written by a Scotsman is sung with Great Gusto.
The Scots who are British up to the last hair on the top of their head also have responsibilities as well.
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Truely English,

11/07/2008 20:29:15
253
All English speaking countries are tied together by the English language.
Naturally, as Scotland and England form part of the same land mass it makes us unseperable in so many more ways.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 11/07/2008 20:38:05
Morris dancing is Moorish Dancing. Have you anymore ignorance to try and spread, plant @ 254?
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Conan the Librarian™,

11/07/2008 20:39:57
254
The song "Rule Brittania" was written by a Scot.

And we do;-)
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Conan the Librarian™,

11/07/2008 20:56:59
Aw.Truely seems to have shut up:-(

And yes I know there are two "n"s.
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ThomasP,

11/07/2008 20:57:43
Truely English.

You are an idiot.

You can not force someone to be anything, especailly force someone to be British.

I would like to see you become the Prime Minister and force Britishness upon us. You wouldn't last the week...
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clan_mackay,

ALBA 11/07/2008 21:00:10
A new poll out today.

http://www.snp.org/n

ode/14048

Voting intention
SNP: 33% (+15)
Lab: 29% (-11)
Con: 20% (+4)
Lib Dem: 14% (-9)

On Glasgow East by-election
49% want the SNP’s John Mason to win.
33% want Labour’s Margaret Curran to win.

On Independence in Europe:
11% believe that Scotland should be represented by the UK in the EU
66% believe Scotland should be an independent member of the EU
17% believe we should leave the EU
5% don’t know
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Truely English,

11/07/2008 21:22:47
259
Why would anyone need to force you into being British.
Maybe if you have a passport you could read what it says on the cover.
I have no need to force Britishness onto you as the Scots have done this to their own compatriots for centuries through their own education system and during the days of Empire.

That is what makes you British today. As long as you are an English speaker in Britain you are British and you should be proud of this fact.
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Iainbroch,

Moary 11/07/2008 21:40:12
re 247!

None of those! It will be following!

Wall street Woes - See what happens when you let the colonies go!


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Alba Abú,

11/07/2008 21:51:29
#244 T.E. Albannach eis ea me, ni Sasannach me
Phoblacht na Alba go brugh!
Saor Alba.

Scottish,not British!
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BK,

Cyberspace 11/07/2008 22:08:27
Lord Foulkes' ire was raised by Mr Mason's publicly held views which include describing God Save the Queen as "an anti-Scottish song"

"May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the king"

Old Foulkes must be drunk as a lord to imagine that this is not anti-Scottish.

#263 - that is pidgin Irish, not Scottish Gaelic.
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ThomasP,

11/07/2008 22:44:45
261 Truely English.

I have the Saltire hang from my window and learn about Scotland BEFORE she was apart of the Union with England.

I am not British, never will be British, despite my passport saying I am British (there is no Scottish one yet) and I will always put my country (Scotland) first before anything else.

You should learn some respect. I may speak English and be from Scotland but I choose not to be British and nothing you say can change that.

Whatever happens over the border I could not care less for.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 11/07/2008 22:53:38
Truely English is what you get as the manifestion of the embry implants. (he he he)

lowbrids
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 11/07/2008 23:01:25
Hybritz = injecting human dna into animal cells. And I thought that was incest.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 11/07/2008 23:05:19
re 267. I shall now repeat the experiment.

Hybritz=injecting unionist dna into animals.

Eureka! Incest works!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 11/07/2008 23:12:31
Back at the lab. The donkeys have been in Labour for, well, donkeys. They continue to make asses of themselves by trying to mount Lib Dems and create mules - how's that for forward GM thinking?). Carrot and stick it. What a motto to have for 50 years.
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Truely English,

11/07/2008 23:26:24
260
Of course you are British, you couldn't be anything else.
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Alba Abú,

11/07/2008 23:48:02
#259........Ciamar a tha thu BK Cyberspace? Cha chreid mi-fhein sin. De tha an canan a thuigeas tu?

Deagh shlainte!

Alba abu (Fior Ghaidheal)
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Yggdrasil,

Dumfries 12/07/2008 00:01:15
Clan-Mackay points to the real facts and as someone who has been on the street, I can assure all those that are rabbiting between yourselfs, it doesn't matter, who's right or wrong. Labour are losing this and they know it.
But what you all should be asking yourselves is, who will take over from Gordon Brown?
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Iainbroch,

Moray 12/07/2008 00:05:33
re 259-261

Infallible Logic! Great money making idea if you sell it in the right Unionist circles! Be careful though - they might steal the patents - then David Blunkett can make himself a director of the newly formed company!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 00:14:50
I ssall now proceed to test this post as number 255
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 00:18:00
Great Scot! The unionists are trying to defy us by numerology. Or numberolosty. Or numbcolostomy.

But my numismatism remains intact.
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Iainbroch,

Moray 12/07/2008 00:27:00
re 256

I have been temporaily losing my focus at idea of 2 donkeys mounting each other - after all there was that secret meeting between Gordon and Ming.

As for the numerology I tend to lose count after the 5 th MacAllan - a bit like Liebaah and media lost count after the 6th choice of candidate for Glesga East!
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Kornelius,

Aberdeen 14/07/2008 08:22:34
Embryo issue is it?
What about all the children ( alive ) that none of the religious parties help to keep their father in their lives post separation?
The poor children are doomed as the religious parties have no interest in reuniting them with their parents!
Hypocrites!
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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Brentwood 17/07/2008 16:01:31
Re 13. GSTQ isn't an 'anti-Scottish song'. The line in it which can cause offence is directed at 'rebellious Scots' which in today's world would be the SNP.

 

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