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Published Date: 21 January 2008
GORDON Brown and the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, have appealed to opposition parties to support an extension of the time terror suspects can be held without trial.
They indicated last night that they were determined to press ahead with controversial plans to extend the limit from 28 to 42 days despite strong reservations among their own backbenchers. Mrs Smith is due to meet backbench Labour MPs today to try to
win over opponents.

While there were signals from Mrs Smith's Tory shadow, David Davis, that there might be a possible compromise after a series of meetings with her over "technical problems" with the use of existing legislation, the Liberal Democrat Leader Nick Clegg pledged outright and implacable opposition.

The new head of the UK's third party has said they will join forces with the Tories in the Lords to block the move, predicting Mr Brown would suffer the first defeat of his premiership on the issue. But the Prime Minister said he believed it was still possible to reach a cross-party consensus when the government publishes its Counter Terrorism Bill later this week.

Mr Brown claimed all the main parties accepted there could be circumstances in which suspects would need to be detained beyond the current 28-day limit: "It may be a multiple terrorist plot, it may be a whole series of complex investigations that need to be done in the context of there being major terrorist incidents." He acknowledged that the government needed to offer assurances that civil liberties would be protected.

Mr Clegg said the government's offer of greater parliamentary oversight was a "false concession", adding: "It leads to the absurd position that you could have someone locked up for that longer period of time and Parliament would only be able to decide on whether that was justified or not after that longer period of detention had already expired."



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  • Last Updated: 20 January 2008 9:50 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Terrorism in the UK
 
1

An Beal Bacht,

21/01/2008 02:50:34
Chippin away ... chippin away ... CCTV cameras .... chip .... Biometric ID Cards .... chip .... Stop and Search .... chip .... RF Tags .... chip .... Detention Without Charge .... chip .... Rendition Flights .... chip ..... Aggressive Interrogation .... chip .... Jean Charles de Menezes .... BANG!
2

beeree,

21/01/2008 08:47:50
No point in new laws when Strathclydes finest tolerate open breaches of Terrorism Act
3

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 09:30:48
There are far too many restrictive laws these days. There is probably less "terrorist" threat nowadays than there was with the IRA in the 1970s.

The London baombings (both of them) and the rediculous farce that was the alleged "terrorist attack" on Glasgow airport was also a put up job.

When are the government going to come clean on the fact that in the first London bombings, the bombs were UNDER the carriages? when are they also going to come clean on how they were planted there? It certainly wasn't done by "patsies" inside the carriages.
4

malkster,

Scotland 21/01/2008 09:57:47
#3

The reporter that initially claimed the bombs were under the carriages immediately admitted his mistake. All forensic evidence pointed to the bombs being in the carriages. Obviously no threat hence the arrests in Barcelona at the weekend and the Spanish withdrew from Iraq to appease the terorists after Madrid.
5

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 10:33:13
I can see that there are circumstances in which it may be necessary to overthrow the government. That doesn't mean I should stockpile arms and ammunition just in case.
So it is with this. Despite having no examples showing a need to extend the 28 days, they still want to do it, just in case. This is the same gvt which wants to identify potential hooligans when they are toddlers, in order to "treat" them.
6

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 10:55:12
"All forensic evidence pointed to the bombs being in the carriages..."

What? You mean forensic evidence like the floors of the carriages being blown upwards rather than downwards?

The reporter changed his story because he was told to do so. The bombs were under the carriages.
7

donald,

glasgow 21/01/2008 10:58:59
Flingin' peace petals in Indi, eh?
8

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 21/01/2008 11:08:29
Ah yes Jaqui the home secretary who is too scared to walk in the streets now wants more powers to lock people up.

This sounds like a sensible plan.

Haven't politicians already said a resounding NO to this idea 3 times already ?
9

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 11:36:44
Petrol head- have you been sniffing something, or do you have definite evidence that the floors of the carriages were blown upwards into the carriage? A photo will do.
10

malkster,

Scotland 21/01/2008 11:40:06
#9

All we will get is alink to a conspiracy theory website. I dont agree with extending the period but conspiracy theorists wind me up.
11

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 12:11:51
I haven't got a link to the photo to hand although I will keep looking. The photo in question clearly shows the floor of the carriage blown upwards---something that would not have happened if the bomb had been inside the carriage.

I realise that there are some pretty wild and wacky conspiracy theory claims going about. However Malkster, are you really prepared to accept what you are told is the "official account" and not question it? Fantastic theories aside, there are many questions that have been unanswered and just glossed over. For instance:-

1. Why did the "bombers" buy return tickets?
2. Why were most of the injuries on the trains consistant with an explosion at or below ground level?
3. Why was a "security" company carrying out an excercise that exactly mirrored what was going on for real? (Incidentally, they have never denied that this was the case).
4. Why would several survivors lie about the floors of the carriages being blown upwards? Why did none of them say that the floor had been blown downwards?

To my mind there are just too many unanswered questions for me to believe the "official" version of the story---especially when its implications are that my rights could be affected.
12

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 12:19:49
And another thing...

They had pictures of the so-called "bombers" entering the tube network. We have been shown absolutely no evidence that these people were even on the trains in question. In fact, there has been total silence about their so-called movements.

If this had happened as they say it did, they would be able to say with certainty which trains, which carriages and even which seats the "bombers" were in. And they would have reported this.

Could it be that maybe things didn't happen quite as we have been led to believe and if they made up a story about the bombers' whereabouts, it would become obvious that they were lying?
13

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 21/01/2008 15:30:30
#12 where are you sourcing all of this nonsense from?
14

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 17:45:54
#13:

OK, I could have worded #12 better but the fact remains that there are many unanswered questions regarding the London Bombings and far too many incredible co-incidences associated with it.

The biggest co-incidence of all was the fact that Visor Consultants "just happened" to be running a major, comprehensive "exercise" involving the EXACT SAME SCENARIO as that which actually came about, at the EXACT SAME TIME. This has never been denied by either Visor Consultants or anyone else.

Secondly, the bombs WERE under the train carriages. I happened to see a picture confirming this before it started getting plastered all over the "conspiracy" websites.

Look at the CNN and BBC archives if you want to confirm much of this. The "exercise" was certainly reported---in fact Peter Power was interviewed at the time, saying how "fortunate" it was that the measures were all in place to deal with it and that they were able to swap from exercise to dong it for real. Do they really think we are dumb enough to believe that?

At least take the trouble to ask yourself a few questions before you condemn what I say as rubbish.
15

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 21/01/2008 17:59:29
Get a grip with reality Dudes. Or at least try.

Terrorists and terrorism have been part of the Human scene from the very beginning .

It's nothing new . Its just that technology/media today can spew stories about it out, at the press of a button to feed the masses.

Before the invention of the PRESS to print on paper there was no knowledge of terrorist within the masses . a. they were illiterate . b. they had nothing to read .

Ever heard of a dude named Guy Fuwkes . A true so-called terrorist in his time. Tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament .

Imagine if a Dude from Florida (Florida Joe) tried to blow up the White House in 2008.

Hey man the hole world would fall apart, or get attacked by Bush, (our resident war criminal Pres.).

GC



16

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 18:10:20
#15:

It was actually Robert Catesby who masterminded the plot. Fawkes was unfortunate enough to get caught guarding the gunpowder.

There may have been terrorists since the dawn of time, but there have also been liars for just as long. Like I say, ask yourself a few questions before you blindly accept whatever "official" version of events the government choose to come out with.
17

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 21/01/2008 18:59:59
16
Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

WOW Dude . I didn't know that, but then I am not up with your level of the "all knowing".

Still Dude .

Fawkes was an on-site accomplice. And I believe that would make him a terrorist by BUSH standards.

In case you missed it, BUSH is our War Criminal who pollutes the White House.

Or as U Scots Dudes would scribe HOOSE.

hey Dude I am learning.

GC

 

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