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Published Date: 06 June 2008
RELATIONS with Zimbabwe plunged to a new low yesterday as British and United States diplomats investigating political violence were subjected to a wild, six-mile road chase by police before being taken into custody for five hours.
Their vehicles were stopped at a roadblock and all four tyres of a 4x4 belonging to the US embassy in Harare were slashed by policemen, who also punched a local security official working for the Americans.

William McGee, the US ambassador to Zimba
bwe, told reporters the unnamed diplomats had been travelling in three vehicles. He said he received word of the ambush and arrests in a phone call from his diplomats, and then sent embassy security officials to assist them. But they also were detained.

The ambassador, who has a reputation as an outspoken critic of President Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF administration, said: "The government is trying to intimidate diplomats from travelling to the countryside in order to witness the violence.

"The bottom line is this: Zimbabwe is a lawless country. The government of Zimbabwe is not following their own laws nor international law."

He said the detention was a clear attempt by the government to stop outside observers witnessing attacks against the opposition and its supporters.

The British government said it had summoned Zimbabwe's ambassador in London to explain what had happened.

David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, said the UK diplomats were unharmed and that no violence had been directed at them, but he described the incident as "serious". He said: "I think that it gives us a window into the lives of ordinary Zimbabweans, because this sort of intimidation is something that is suffered daily, especially by those working with opposition groups."



Mr McGee said the policemen who gave chase to the diplomats and detained them had been joined by army officers and so-called "war veterans" – militiamen who fought under Mr Mugabe in Zimbabwe's independence war – who pulled a gun on the westerners. "Police reached in and grabbed telephones from my personnel, and the war veterans threatened to burn the vehicles with my people inside unless they got out," he said.

"My officials (in the embassy] felt the orders were coming directly from the top (of the Zimbabwe government]."

The British and US officials had been talking to opposition activists and victims of political violence when they were approached by police officers and ordered to a nearby police station, Mr McGee said.

The diplomats refused and, after phoning their embassies in Harare, set off in their vehicles in different directions. Two were stopped but the other made it back to Harare.

Bright Matonga, Zimbabwe's deputy information minister, said the government would protest to the British and US embassies. "(The diplomats] are very mischievous and we won't tolerate that," he said.

"We know they're not diplomats. We know they're from British intelligence.

"If they've nothing to hide, why did they run away?"

PROFILE

WILLIAM McGEE, US ambassador and a three-times decorated Vietnam veteran, has displayed a remarkable willingness to anger President Robert Mugabe .

He travelled with British, Dutch, Japanese and Tanzanian diplomats last month to a suspected torture centre in the Zimbabwean countryside. He has also visited the private Avenues Clinic in the capital , crowded with wounded victims of violence by Mr Mugabe's security forces.

Mr McGee said there was conclusive evidence the camp was an interrogation centre, with small cells where people had been imprisoned overnight or longer.









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  • Last Updated: 05 June 2008 9:45 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Zimbabwe
 
1

CombatVet68,

New Babylon 06/06/2008 06:21:36
Mugabe is one of the stupidest illiterate fools I have seen in many years. But, in truth, he will be lucky if he lives out the year!
2

Trade-wind,

USA 06/06/2008 07:04:06
Mug should be taken out of office by the forces of the other African nations. They have backed him and he is now making them look so stupid for doing so. He wreaked a country that was such a nice country before he got his greedy black hands on it. They should let the Zim
people tire him, or hack him up. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would like to.
3

sam the god,

06/06/2008 08:11:11
he is in rome someone should give him the some lead ballast
4

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 06/06/2008 08:58:57
People like Mugabe laugh at us while stealing our air money and living like Gods in their own little worlds.

The international community is full of weak, scared little boys who fill in expenses claims while agreeing to do nothing for fear of offending some minority faction.

I would happily place a few ventilation holes in that man.
5

baroda,

Spain 06/06/2008 10:05:53
The world got rid of Sadam and his murderers. Why does the world sit back and let this headcase ruin a once prosperous and democratic country. Maybe as it does not have any oil will have something to do with it.
6

Mashimaro,

China 06/06/2008 10:14:33
I am interested to know when it is a diplomat's business to "investigate" anything. It would seem these people violated good taste and ettiquette in a country in which they were guests.
7

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 06/06/2008 11:31:57
Mugabe the Mental is a threat to world sanity.

As I have said over and over again, where is a GOOD ASSASSIN when you need one?

It would be a "mercy killing" for all those he has murdered and tortured in Zimbabwe and would be justified by any sane-thinking, democratically-minded person.

Let's find someone or some group to "off" that monster SOONEST!
8

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 06/06/2008 12:12:04
Mugabe is a skinnier version of Idi Amin.
9

Mashimaro,

China 06/06/2008 12:22:13
You guys are funny.
The problem is that you think you still run the world and you don't. You should stop your diplomats from thinking that they're James Bond. It's bad for your international image to be seen interfering in another country's politics. Yet you just can't help it
10

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 06/06/2008 12:47:09
Mashimaro from Chine (Yeccch!)

Mashimaro, YOU ARE RIDICULOUS AND ARROGANT and an attitude like yours and if it is held by many of your countrymen will be your downfall.

Get real and realise that your comment is bad for the image of China because it paints you and your country as full of pride and pompousness.

If you keep thinking like this you will suffer the fate of hubris - like the Three Gorges Dam failing and drowning millions or your vast industrialisation ruining the natural beauties of your country.
11

Niadh,

Edinburgh 06/06/2008 12:48:23
#12 Mashimaro.
You, unfortunately, sound very much like a government drone. Your comments also highlight your countries attitude towards those not of Chinese origin and the human rights standards in your country.
Under the Vienna Convention all those accredited as diplomats cannot be arrested for any crime apparently commited once their position is confirmed.
Neither should they be harrassed or intimidated in any way especially be official representatives of the government ie police.
If you don't like them or want them in your country then you chuck them out (Persona Non Grata).

These Diplomats were not doing anything illegal and were apparently on a fact finding mission.
12

danbob,

06/06/2008 12:50:20
Zimbabwe wanted him, Zimbabwe got him. I reckon #12 is right. Nothing to do with us. Give it twenty year and South Africa will go the same way. It's the way the continent is.
13

danbob,

06/06/2008 12:54:46
#13, #14, #15, How do you know this Mashimaro character is from China? He could be living down your street and just put China in the location box. With a name like that I think he's from deepest darkest Africa anyway.
14

Gere,

Scotland 06/06/2008 13:37:23
Post #16
danbob

The most insightful comment thus far!

Congratulations!
15

Media 1,

cape town 06/06/2008 14:36:41
Imagine a small boy watching a bigger boy jumping on a trampoline. It looks like fun, it looks like something he could do, but the big kids wont let him, because its their trampoline, they built it, they erected it and they make it work. So the boy cries and and starts to throw his toys, he screams and screams unti the next door neighbout hears is anguish.
The next door neighbour sells trampoline canvas and says look lads, if you dont let the wee boy jump, I wont sell you canavs next time your trampoline breaks. So the bigger lads decide they should let the wee boy jump. But he has no clue how to do it, so when he gets on he falls, as he is going down the bigger lads are going up and the whole thing is f@cked. The bigger lads, say look wee man, get off because you are f@cking up the systems, but the wee guy wont get off, he tells them to get off, he is here to stay. The bigger boys are not used to such chaos, so they leave the wee boy to jump by himself.
The wee boy never quite gets it right and because he is doing it wrong he is destroying the canvas much quicker than normal. Eventually the canvas is f@cked, but he doesnt replace it because he doesnt know how and because that would mean work. So he goes looking for some bigger boys with their own trampoline so he can take it over by playing the wee man card! Which of course he will once again destroy.
That is Africa, build nothing, create nothing and operate in chaos. And when the wheels come off, blame the bigger boys!
Mugabe is the wee man, the creator of nothing, destroyer of everything! BUT then again, when you have the brain capacity of a child, you act like a child!
Africa is a child
16

sam the god,

06/06/2008 15:24:52
#12 what about tibet?
17

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 06/06/2008 15:25:14
#18 Gere from Scotland

"insightful" may be too strong a word for your very relevant comment.

Perhaps "clever" and "perspicacious" may be applicable here and if this joker is trying to deceive us then the joke is on him because of his duplicitousness.

But I DO congratulate you on your insight.
18

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 06/06/2008 15:33:12
Media 1 - I too am sick of the liberal weak pathetic political groveling to these people. I for one would have him 'Re-educated' in China.

When will our political pussies start to actually do make some bloody decisions. Leaders should be leading not consulting all the time.

Everyone wants him gone. 1 Bullet would do the trick. Why should the life of Mugabe be more important than all the lives of the people who will die.

I think we should intervene. Erase the problem then leave them to it. No troops on the ground. Just provide the mechanism for freedom with a missle straight through the presedential palace. Why not arrest him while he is in Europe.

#Mashimaro - On yer Bike you daft little man.
19

Media 1,

cape town 06/06/2008 16:24:51
Jock

You know the score, I agree, one bullet would do the trick. But that doesnt suit the west. Leave him where he is and he will continue to cripple the nation to absolute and utter devastation, then the price of investment will be less than it is now.
With him in power there is order, well, more order than there would be if he was assinated. Kill him and the country goes into complete free fall with no chance of investment amid the chaos, let him die naturally and the transition will be better, thus the possibility of investment is better.

The West are waiting for the new man, then they can offer him gifts, he will accept and deny his people a livlihood whilst the west take what they can for free. Its called Capitalism!
INVEST IN AFRICA, BUY A LEADER
20

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 06/06/2008 17:20:56
Media1 - The world was build by men who said what they meant and meant what they said. Now the world is run by a load of feeble ex public school panzies in almost all political parties through out europe who lack the backbone to take any real measures.

I long for a return to traditional values of Integrity, honour and courage where the men who lead the military actually attend the battle front and when the leaders of the country lead rather than cower for fear of offending some minority pressure group.
21

Guga II,

Rockall 06/06/2008 20:55:58
#12 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

You really are making a fool of yourself this time, supporting a dangerous creep like Mugabe. I realise that he is exactly like your CPC thugs and murderers; and his followers closely resemble your PLA thugs and murderers.

Being a low level cadre yourself, I know that you have to try and spread CPC propaganda, and presumably that includes supporting thugs like Mugabe who receive assistance from your gangster government. I also know that it is hard for you to distinguish between right and wrong, which is why you support your gangster government in its genocide of the Tibetan people.

You should try coming to the west, then you could experience exactly what freedom feels like. It would make a pleasant change for you.

22

Media 1,

south africa 06/06/2008 21:55:45
Col blimp

No government is pure, honest and in it for the people, especially those in Europe. However, white people are able to run nations, black people cannot and that is the bottom line.
But dont take my word for it, look at the African continent, look at the West Indies and Haiti.
23

Jock Scot,

East Lothian 06/06/2008 22:16:27
Guga II

Mashimaro's no in China, probably never been to China, he's in the Scottish branch of Chinese Communist Party Headquarters. The Poo Ping Palace in Sauchiehall Street serving cream of sum yung gai to some drunks.



24

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 06/06/2008 22:26:31
Come back Ian Smith all is forgiven.

Sounds like an invitation for a gunboat to be sent. I just hope we are not contributing any aid to this country because almost certainly, like most African states it will be filtering off to the favoured or in tinpot dictators' Swiss accounts. Africa just needs to work its own way out of this mess and every time we intervene it just makes matters worse because we're not letting countries like Zimbabwe evolve and learn. It may be the hard way but I believe it's the correct way.
25

danbob,

06/06/2008 23:16:11
I agree with #29. It is tempting to say lets get rid of Mugabe. But it has to be remembered that he still has considerable support in the country. It would achive nothing. Africa has a history of this kind of dictator and the fact is we can do nothing about it, For me South Africa is where the world should be looking. The status quo is still in place in South Africa because the white population control the industry and the countrys technology. The black population know this and at present are happy to allow the country to continue in it's present format. It's generating wealth. But Mabekis handling of the Zimbabwe problem and the recent unrest has shown that South Africa is more than capable of decending into anarchy.
26

Mashimaro,

China 07/06/2008 07:04:24
#13 Yes I do think Mugabe has been a disaster for the country.
I also think the whites have been a disaster for Africa as a whole, and continue to be one. So I don't think further white interference in Zimbabwe is going to provide any long-term solution. The people need to resolve it themselves. Apparently they are unable to.
27

Mashimaro,

07/06/2008 07:08:22
#13 it is not china's policy to interfere in another country's politics. Sometimes it happens by mistake, as it is a difficult path to follow, but generally speaking China is not an invasive force. And please, let's not drone on and on about the Tibetan question.
28

Mashimaro,

China 07/06/2008 07:18:12
#14 Our downfall? Downfall? Have you noticed that China has been going for 5,000 years? Or did that escape your backward education.
My country is not full of pride and pompousness. We're not the ones wanting to bump off elected leaders just because we don't agree with them.
If I keep talking I will suffer the state of hubris? What are you supserstitious? either 3 Gorges will fall or it won't. My attitude and the attitude of my countrymen will have nothing to do with it. Your western countries went through industrialisation or have you forgotten that? Hard decisions were made and people suffered. Have you never read Dickens? Do you think the chopping down of europe's massive forests was okay? Of course not But you westerners have all benefitted from that, just as you have benefitted from spewing your poisons into the air and water for generations.
I think it's time YOU got REAL, dude.
29

Mashimaro,

China 07/06/2008 07:29:12
#16 Danbob - darn right. zimbabwe wanted him. Zimbabwe should deal with him.

#15 Mashimaro.
"You, unfortunately, sound very much like a government drone. Your comments also highlight your countries attitude towards those not of Chinese origin and the human rights standards in your country."

Hmmm now that's original - not. Just because China had a bad human rights record means we can never hold any opinion on anything and once again you westerners should run the world? Get real.
Diplomats are afforded special legal status under the understanding that they will not do certain things, one of which is blatantly work to undermine the current government. If Zimbabwe had any sense at all it would throw these dudes out on their asses, like they deserve, and cut ties with the backstabbing governments that sent them.


"These Diplomats were not doing anything illegal and were apparently on a fact finding mission."

Your diplomats have a history of interfering in host country's politics. You only have to look as far as Russia's last elections to see that. Diplomats are there to smooth relations, not cause trouble. How would you feel if the Russians or the Chinese went on "fact finding" missions in Britain and interviewed your muslim fundamentalists and supported them, huh?
30

Mashimaro,

China 07/06/2008 07:31:53
Nice work Media1 but I guess it depends on where the trampoline was set up in the first place. Like if I had to come and set up my trampoline in your back garden you would think that you would get a turn on it, no?
31

Mashimaro,

07/06/2008 07:39:06
#22 "I think we should intervene. Erase the problem then leave them to it. No troops on the ground. Just provide the mechanism for freedom with a missle straight through the presedential palace."

Yes because that's worked SO well in the past. Havent' you learned anything from history? Has there in fact been any case in history where this arrogance has worked? I can't thinkn of one.
32

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 07/06/2008 11:52:49
Mashimare talk much, Mashimaro say very little.
33

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 08/06/2008 10:52:53
Hey Mashimaro,
I see that the attitude from the west is still the same, they know all and the rest of the world knows nothing. Anybody can see that Zimbabwe is a mess, but they fail to see why that is, and need to realize that it is because of western interference, Iraq being a fine example of that. Let Africa sort out it's own problems, the problems are theirs, everybody else has their share of problems, but you don't see the rest of the world sticking their noses in the west, because their noses don't belong there. We in China don't interfere by telling the western world what to do, Africa doesn't interfere by telling the western world what to do, but the western world sure as hell thinks that they own the whole planet, thus the mess everywhere. Let nature and evolution run it's course in Africa, sooner or later they'll sort it out, and if they don't, oh well. And the biggest idiot reporting here is Tim123 from Ottawa, for he hates the Chinese, that's why he's got it in for you. Tim123 from Ottawa needs to realize that Mugabe is a threat only to his own Country, where the likes of George W. Bush are a threat to the whole world.

 

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