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Published Date: 15 November 2008
CONTROLS on alcohol advertising should be extended to the internet as part of the drive against under-age drinking, a conference in Edinburgh will be told next week.
Jack Law, chief executive of Alcohol Focus Scotland, claims alcohol is being actively promoted on social networking sites like Facebook. And he will tell a conference organised by the Advertising Standards Authority at Dynamic Earth on Monday that these websites represent a challenge to the current system of regulating alcohol advertising.

Mr Law quoted examples of messages posted on the official Facebook page of Smirnoff.

Mr Law said: "It's a dilemma the industry has to face up to."

Mr Law said he supported the idea put forward by the Scottish Government for a ban on alcohol advertising on TV before the 9pm watershed. But he added: "We would raise questions about whether that is so relevant, now that you can access TV programmes at any time of the day."

He said it was the internet where the most urgent challenge lay.

The event on Monday, to be hosted by former Culture Secretary Chris Smith, now Lord Smith and chairman of the ASA, is to discuss the effectiveness of the current regulation of alcohol advertising.

The audience will include policy makers, alcohol concern groups, consumer bodies, trade and industry representatives and members of the general public.

The current code on drinks ads says they must not link alcohol with sex, social success or daring behaviour; show alcohol being handled irresponsibly; or depict people who appear to be under 25.

As part of its proposed plan to tackle alcohol misuse, the Scottish Government has proposed a ban on drinks ads on TV before the 9pm watershed and a similar ban on alcohol advertising in cinemas for films with a certificate below 18.

The Government discussion document said there was evidence that drink advertising increased levels of consumption and encouraged pro-alcohol attitudes, especially among young people.

A spokesman for the ASA said the authority's remit did already partially extend to the internet, covering paid-for advertising such as pop-ups and banner ads, as well as sponsored links.

But he said Mr Law was raising a significant issue by pointing to loopholes in controlling alcohol promotion on the web.

He said: "Ultimately, this is where the regulatory battleground is happening."

But he said the industry was discussing the issue.

A Facebook spokeswoman said: "For advertisers, Facebook has policies and restrictions in place for alcohol, gambling and tobacco advertising. In the limited cases where Facebook allows such advertisements, it requires that they are restricted to those of the appropriate legal age."

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  • Last Updated: 15 November 2008 10:11 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

The_Reiver,

15/11/2008 10:49:36
I see that the advertising header on this article declares that Scotland of Sunday is offering a free miniature of Malt Whisky to every reader!
2

captain-wills,

15/11/2008 11:41:39
More interference. Just what is required.
3

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

15/11/2008 11:42:40
All nonsense. The Interweb perceives censorship as failure and routes around it.
4

Unimpressed one,

15/11/2008 11:43:51
Strange how France has no problem with alcohol abuse yet its consumption figures are higher than ours. The fact that Russia has similar booze problems to Scotland's probably stems from the similarity of both cultures wishing to drown their sorrows at any opportunity.
5

AlexofEdinburgh,

15/11/2008 11:53:57
Do they honestly think that we (under-25s) will forget about alcohol just because we don't see it on a social networking site? Spoiler: lots of us find them repulsive but still drink. We aren't all impressionable twits that will flock to something just because we see a shiny GIF that makes a feeble attempt to entice us. Ads, to almost anyone, are a nuisance that you skip and ignore. It's almost insulting that they think that us viewing a silly ad will encourage ourselves to 'binge drink'.

On a side note, don't you dare touch my internets. DON'T. It's not nice :(
6

Jenny MacArthur,

15/11/2008 12:12:29
The problem isn't alcohol. The problem is that such a large proportion of our population are so socially inadequate that they need to drug themselves almost to oblivion before they can approach another human being. Our schools should teach relationship and emotional skills to help the desperate souls who cocoon themselves in individual metal boxes to move around because they're terrified of rubbing shoulders with others, then lock themselves up at home with their 'entertainment' hypnoboxes to fill the void left by an absence of meaningful social contact. The need to go out and get legless is just another symptom of pathetic damaged souls, young and old, who are simply unable to relate to anyone else socially in a remotely normal way. Most other nations manage. We as a society are just emotionally stunted. It can only be tackled at an education level. Pity our government is too scared to tackle this as a serious issue, because it is.
7

alex paterson,

edinburgh 15/11/2008 12:19:43
Give us a break,we see enough on the big screen so leave our computers alone.
8

Mist001,

Marseille 15/11/2008 12:29:20
In Marseille, Pastis (called cinq et une, similar to Pernod), is a way of life. The bar that we use only sells 25ml glasses of beer, no pints unless you go to an Irish pub at the port or somewhere. They drink a lot of Clan Campbell whisky too, but I have never seen any alcohol related violence. I only ever saw one fight in the bar and it was nothing compared to the vicious violence which I've seen in Edinburgh.

Interestingly, very few bars have vodka displayed on their gantry. It's kept under the counter and you can buy it if you ask for it. I asked why and I was told that in Marseille, vodka is considered to be a drink for gay people, so they don't want to advertise it!!!

Totally different culture and mindset.

Michael.
9

go boil ur heid,

15/11/2008 13:20:53
as most of these sites come from america how can they ban advertising. i wish they would sit down and actually think about it before opening their gobs.
10

danbob,

North of England 15/11/2008 13:24:05
The make up of the british night time economy is all wrong. If you take Bowness on Windermere in Cumbria as an example. In Bowness every other night time establishment is a eating house, Chinesse, Italian, Thai, even good old british fish shops. You are spoilt for choice. The result is people are eating and drinking and the town is not swamped by too many pubs that try to give alchohol away. Even pubs that are there serve food. The result is a calm atmosphere where it is safe to walk at night even with kids. It is very much like the continent. Now compare that to other towns and cities. We need a complete cultural change of attitude not advertising gimmicks.
11

celtic4,

USA 15/11/2008 14:03:31
I have recently read here about concern over people drinking, but then I see that the Sunday paper is offering free whisky to those who get the paper! Isn't that sort of cutting one's nose off to spite one's face? A contradiction of terms?
12

Niko Bellic,

15/11/2008 15:16:20
The dude in the picture looks like a wee alkie that rocks up at Threshers at 10am for some cans of Super T and and twenty Bensons.
13

Niko Bellic,

15/11/2008 15:23:07
Ah to be sure me name's Jack Law and I had to get me tie and me shirt from Aldi's cos oiv spent all me Euros on feckin useless campaigns.
14

tomias,

Edinburgh 15/11/2008 16:27:05
Ok Jenny- I agree with you-if of course my opinion means anything these days; but- essentially yes
15

subrosa,

15/11/2008 16:43:05
# 6

I support part of your comment regarding the education of social skills in schools. But of course, our liberal thinkers consider sex education at 5 or 6 is far more important.

An inability to socialise or the inability of parents to ensure the mental health of their children is paramount is a problem and has been for many years. 60 years ago many households were 'run' by strict presbyterian values and I agree these needed relaxed, but we've gone far too far the other way.

I also agree many people drink because of their inability (or assumed inability) to mix with others. Alcohol does release inhibitions as we all know.

Scotland's alcohol problem needs to be tackled from many angles, one being the licensing times. Alcohol also needs to be priced sensibily in relation to the average income. An example of that is, when I was 18, I could possibly just afford 3 babychams on a night out and one night out a week. I earned an average wage at that time.

Nowadays money to buy alcohol appears to be no object. Just the other weekend a grandchild of a friend was going for a night out and she said '£50 will be enough'. When I queried this she reeled off the relevant prices of the evening and it didn't even include food or a taxi home!


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Niko Bellic,

15/11/2008 17:44:48
#11

5 millilitres of whisky isn't going to get one micturated unless one is a lightweight, so no is the answer to that.

17

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 15/11/2008 18:08:16
These dreary puritan campaigners should get a life.
18

Western Gael,

15/11/2008 18:21:25
Underage drinking is already a crime. It is not made worse by adverts – the wee swine need only look through the front windows of the shops. Clearly Jack Law doesn’t know squat all about the Internet. There might be laws affecting what can be hosted (not posted) on websites, but that depends upon where the host server calls home. Last I knew, the remit of Scottish law and Council regulations ended south of Gretna Green. Besides, the real issue is not drink, but violent, murderous children who don’t need drink to commit crimes. The adults are already beyond help.
19

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 15/11/2008 19:02:01


"CONTROLS on alcohol advertising should be extended to the internet as part of the drive against under-age drinking"


IDIOTIC DRIBBLE, THAT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED, BY OTHER COUNTRIES, THANK GOD!

We will only become the,..'Laughing Stock' of the World!




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15/11/2008 19:05:56
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Tim85,

15/11/2008 23:32:54
The smoking ban has been a huge success ... in excess of 7 trillion people have given up smoking ... the only people still smoking are obdurate hardcore addicts, numbering about twenty seven ... greatest public health advance since clean drinking water, and greatest historical advance since the wheel was invented and man first made fire ... *continue ad nauseam*.

But people still, incredibly (*gasps with eyes wide open, mouth forming an 'O' of surprise'* willingly and blithely, despite knowing the health risks, continue to disobey our orders... er, I mean, ignore our sage advice. Obviously, more needs to be done ... need to eradicate the scourge of tobacco once and forever ... but at the same time, people are drinking too much ... the effects of passive drinking are recognised by every medical authority in the universe and the debate regarding the health effects over ... drinking kills, passive drinking kills, internet advertising of drinking kills.
22

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/11/2008 11:31:20
#6 Jenny: It's got nothing to do with emotional training. I just plain hate other people.
23

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/11/2008 11:34:27
#8 comments that his pub in France only sells half pints and they hardly ever see a bar fight. This explains how the Germans can conquer them in a day.
24

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/11/2008 11:39:45
#10: the reason it's quiet where you are is because the Lake District is where the middle-classes go at the weekend. They like to have a meal and some real ale.

Where the unworking classes congregate for a weekend, they like to have twenty-three shooters and some drugs. And that's before they go out to the pubs for a drink. Then when the pubs shut, it's off to the disco for more. The loud music and all the alcohol and drugs gets their brain cell all aggressive and it's no wonder there's trouble.
25

blackley,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 13:38:07
It's not the drowning of sorrows that is the problem. It's the speed with which we grab a bottle of booze to celebrate that associates alcohol with making things better. Witness the frenzied showering of winning teams with champagne at every opportunity.
26

DiscoDolly69,

16/11/2008 14:08:12
While it would be good for schools to become involved in the teaching of social skills, would it not be more appropriate for PARENTS to take a lead in their children's emotional development? Or is it easier to just punt the kids off to school for that and then start blaming the education system when it all goes wrong??
27

Stray Fox,

16/11/2008 17:39:26
#24 A Friend of Fernando Poo

You really are one of the greenest people on these threads...and I'm not talking about the environment.
28

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 17/11/2008 09:30:38
More headline-grabbing from a bunch of control-freak nutjobs who do this country no favours at all.

 

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