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Banks lose test case on penalty fees for overdrafts



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Published Date: 25 April 2008
BRITAIN'S biggest banks have lost a court test case about overdraft charges, paving the way for lower fees and a resolution to thousands of outstanding claims from customers.
A judge has decided the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) can rule on the fairness of the charges, which many consumers have been trying to recover through small claims or sheriff courts.

Mr Justice Andrew Smith said his judgment did not necessarily m
ean the charges were unfair. But the decision opens the door for the OFT to demand that banks cut their charges, unless any subsequent legal appeals are successful.

Thousands of cases currently on hold in county courts south of the Border will be frozen until 22 May, by which time the banks must decide whether they are going to appeal.

But Mike Dailly, principal solicitor at the Govan Law Centre in Glasgow, said the freeze should not apply in Scotland and that existing claims should be completed. He said: "Mr Justice Smith's decision means the unfair bank charges campaign is well and truly back in business in Scotland. We will be seeking the recall of sists (stays] in sheriff courts, as there is now no good reason claims should be frozen. The public should get their money back now."

Since the beginning of 2006, hundreds of thousands of customers have reclaimed hundreds of millions of pounds from their banks, arguing their charges were too high and unfair. The banks have consistently argued that the charges were fair and reasonable.

Yesterday's case was jointly brought by the OFT, seven high street banks and a building society to clarify the law.

The judge accepted the banks' argument that the terms generally used for personal current accounts were not unenforceable on the grounds of being "penal". And he held that the terms, with a few minor exceptions, were in "plain and intelligible language". But he rejected their argument that the charges were exempt from assessment for fairness under the regulations.

The banks contend that the charges are fees for a service, namely setting up an overdraft, and are not unfair.

They are thought to make between £2 billion and £3.5 billion a year in fees charged when customers go into unauthorised overdraft.

Doug Taylor, personal finance campaigns manager for Which?, said: "The banks should do the right thing now: concede defeat, agree with the OFT what constitutes a fair unauthorised overdraft fee, and refund their customers as soon as possible.

Every second that this issue remains unresolved is costing consumers up to £111 in overdraft charges."

The British Bankers' Association said the banks were still considering the implications of the judgment.

Q & A: BANK CHARGES
What does the judgment mean?

A: It means unauthorised overdraft charges do come under the scope of the 1999 Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations, meaning they are regulated by the OFT and can be assessed for fairness. It does not mean that the charges are necessarily unfair.

What happens now?

There is now likely to be a second hearing, in which the court will decide whether the charges are unfair, and if so, what a fair fee would be.

Does it mean people can reclaim unauthorised overdraft charges?

No. Banks have been granted a waiver by the Financial Services Authority to put any new and ongoing claims on hold for 12 months, or until the outcome of the test case is known.

How long will it be before the outcome of the second case is known?

That case is likely to be heard later this year. But if the banks decide to appeal against yesterday's judgment, or if either side appeals against the outcome of the second hearing, the process will go on for longer.

If it is decided the level of charges is unfair, how much are banks likely to have to pay out in refunds?

It depends on what level of charges are deemed to be fair. It may be decided that the charges are not unfair or that the current level is fair, in which case they will not have to refund anything. The banks involved in the test case have so far paid out more than £550 million.

Will this lead to the end of free banking in the UK?

That's a possibility.



The full article contains 720 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 24 April 2008 10:28 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Angus Ogg,

24/04/2008 23:55:11
BREAKING NEWS....

Royal Bank of Scotland Rights Issue now up to £16 Billion.

They need an extra £4 Billion to repay all the overcharged and ripped off customers of RBS, NatWest and Ulster Bank !
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 01:28:49
'GOOD' Now the Banks might think twice, charging £40.00, for being a 'Penny' (1pence) overdrawn!

Which make the customers situation 39.99times worse!

Multiply that by 10pence overdrawn, now the situation is £399,99 times Worse!

OK for the Banks to put you over the limit, by in their books, 'The Sky is our Limit' with their overdraft charging!

Something needed done, now it has!
3

Peekay,

25/04/2008 07:38:49
Spare a thought for those of us who assiduously avoid our debits exceeding our credits. It is us who are going to end up paying for the actions of the financially feckless.
4

tomislav,

Home 25/04/2008 07:58:12
1 ,,, 2 Agreed, how is it they charge £40 for being a penny overdrawn, yet if you are 2,000 in credit they only give you pennies interest ,,,,, nice work if you can get it eh ,,,,,, I for one am thinking to be an active anti RBS customer, with my banking mission to be to cost them as much as I can as often as I can, staying within the law ,,,,, I wonder just how many of those little brochures you get at the bank counter for loans, it takes to fill an average size bin bag, or how just many mini statements you can print at the hole in the wall before the paper runs out ,,
5

GrahamL,

25/04/2008 09:15:18
#3 Ach it'll be fine. I've spent years keeping a close eye on my finances, making sure I only spend what I can afford, knowing when my direct debits are due and making sure there's money to meet them.
Now? If these charges are removed, it's party time! I can spend what I want, not care what I can afford, or what the bank is willing to lend me. Just spend spend spend and to hell with the consequences! After all the banks are just a big room full of money which is the rightful property of the first person to ask for it. And I want it. And I want it all. Now.
I'll see you all in a gutter, clutching a bottle of Krug.
6

WL,

livingston 25/04/2008 09:21:44
If you cause an unauthorised overdraft with your bank you get a £30 fine.
If you are driving at an unauthorised speed (for instance 40mph where there is a speed limit of 30mph) you get a £60 fine.
Seems the banks are not unreasonable.
7

Toast,

25/04/2008 09:46:26
#3 so true,why the hell should the majority of us who live within our means have to pay annual bank charges because of the morons who,even though they know what it will cost still insist on living beyond their means.
#2 I take your point this is ridiculous,there should be a £10 buffer so if you just make a small mistake you aren't screwed,mind you I have a £50 overdraft that costs nothing for just such an eventuality.
8

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 10:31:10
It's about time something was done about that. There are millions of cases where the imposition of a single bank charge of about £40 leads to a rapid downward spiral of someone's personal finances.

Most importantly, they should stop banks from simply helping themselves to the money. They should have to invoice for the money like any other creditor would have to.
9

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 10:34:28
#6:

So by your account, speeding fines are reasonable are they? Despite the fact that they deliberately seek to catch people where there is the highest chance of maximising their income?

You can't measure one rip off against another and in doing so claim that one of them is fair.
10

WL,

livingston 25/04/2008 12:30:25
#9
If the government and the OFT consider that speeding fines are fair, then equally they must find that bank overdraft charges are fair.
11

Saoghal Beag,

25/04/2008 12:52:44
the real problem is htat the banks have used this a means to gernate income. Taking their charges when accounts are at lows, forcing them over thier limits and imposing further fines so that the customer becomes locked in a spiral of financial decline.
12

JayDeeTee,

25/04/2008 16:15:40
Watch out for the re-introduction of charges to run your account. They will always get you in the end. Pity there is not a non-profit making bank we could all move our money to.
13

Moder8,

EDINBURGH 26/04/2008 01:02:45
The actions of those people who cannot manage their
money is going to affect all who do manage their money by causing banks to charge across the board for having a current account. The days of "free" banking will be gone. I imagine the banks,in the long run,will profit overall from such a change.
It is surely not too onerous a task to contact the bank to arrange an overdraft before overspending thus avoiding any bank charge.
Remember banks are businesses and their shareholders expect them to make a profit.
I can't think of any business that allows people to live of their charity.
14

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/04/2008 01:25:44
Moder8, @#13,

NO, NO ,No,! you are totally incorrect!

Your Quote,

"I can't think of any business that allows people to live of their charity"

So in that case, you will be quite happy to pay 40% tax on all you earn and purchase at the shops!,?

Think again!, a £40.00 charge for being 1minute late and 1pence overdrawn, is a disgusting,,

'RIPPED-OFF'!

Put it another way!

OK next time you are a minute late for work you get a £1000.00 penalty charge taken of your wages!

'HA-HA' Its only BUSINESS AFTERALL!
15

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 26/04/2008 08:06:36
Good.

I am glad they have lost the case. Here in Canada the major banks make profits of 2 and 3 BILLION dollars per quarter based on their exorbitant charges and fees.

This must stop because their greed will be their downfall. If the banks fail, then recession and depression are not far behind. In America they are calling it a recession but I feel it is the beginning of a financial depression that will spread worldwide.

Good morning, Charles Linskaill.

Try and keep a lid on your overdrafts. They CAN be quite costly. Have you enquired about overdraft protection or a line of credit. Works wonders for me.
16

Douglas,

Bathgate 26/04/2008 09:45:21
You're sure it's a line of CREDIT that's working the wonders TCW?
17

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 27/04/2008 10:35:42
Douglas from Bathgate

My line of credit is quite large and I lead a QUITE comfortable life, thank you very much due to inheritances from my parents and wise investments that were suggested by my financial consultant.
18

Cragdoo,

St Andrews 28/04/2008 14:08:00
#13

"It is surely not too onerous a task to contact the bank to arrange an overdraft before overspending thus avoiding any bank charge"

I have in the past contacted the bank to arrange an overdraft , only for the bank to say "No" on more than one occasion , the result ? I ended up losing £150 in one month because the bank refused to an overdraft of £45 !!!! Now tell me they aren't money grabbing swines

People like you make me sick , you have never been in a bad financial way , and therefore could not possibly know what it's like to try and talk to banks when you are in a bad way moneywise , they just do not want to help.

 

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