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Apocalypse threatens to engulf Burma but junta seizes aid



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Published Date: 10 May 2008
BURMA is facing a disease epidemic of "apocalyptic proportions" after the military dictatorship blocked aid efforts and seized vital supplies forcing the United Nations' World Food Programme to temporarily halt mercy flights.
As the death toll from Cyclone Nargis climbed towards 100,000, with a further 1.5 million people left homeless and starving, the Disasters Emergency Committee yesterday warned of a catastrophic humanitarian disaster to follow unless the Burmese government accepted assistance from world aid agencies.

Last night the United Nations World Food Programme agreed to send in two further plane-loads of aid scheduled to arrive today, after initially calling a halt to its aid programme when two planes were impounded by the government on Friday. The WFP had sent some aid on a scheduled Thai Airways cargo flight on Thursday which went through without problems, however a bureaucratic mix-up led to the seizure of cargo from the next two flights. Instead of immediately whisking the consignment, which included 38 tonnes of high-energy biscuits and relief equipment, to the disaster zone in the Irrawaddy Delta it was immediately confiscated.

"All of the food aid and equipment that we managed to get in has been confiscated," said Paul Risley, spokesman for the UN's World Food Programme in Bangkok. He said: "It is being held by the government. It is sitting in a warehouse. It is not in trucks heading to Irrawaddy Delta where it is critically needed. The frustration caused by what appears to be a paperwork delay is unprecedented in modern humanitarian relief efforts. It's astonishing."

The United Nations also last night launched an international appeal for $187 million and urged the Burmese government to permit humanitarians into the country. Sir John Holmes, the UN secretary-general for Humanitarian Affairs and the UN's emergency relief co-ordinator said: "Every hour that passes more lives are lost."

Despite the plight of its people, the Burmese government, who for over forty years have viewed the West with deep suspicion and hostility, is adamant that while aid is welcome, aid workers are not.

Yesterday, members of the Disasters Emergency Committee said "they could do more" without opposition from the military junta. Tim Costello, chief executive of World Vision Australia, said suspicion of foreign aid workers was hampering their work. He warned of an epidemic of "apocalyptic proportions" if aid does not get through. But he urged donors to continue giving, saying the charities were making a difference.

The DEC appeal, which is supported by The Scotsman, is run by British aid agencies and charities has raised £4 million in two days. Mr Costello said the Burmese government did not have the capacity to run the relief effort required, adding that the impact of Cyclone Nargis could be worse than the affect of the Asian tsunami on Sri Lanka and Indonesia. Speaking from Burma to a press conference in central London, he said: "The frustration is we know we could do more. We know what the potential is but actually we are getting to people and making a difference. He said the affected area contains 19 million people and around two-thirds of them are children.

He continued: "We certainly know that once an epidemic starts it's difficult to stop and becomes of apocalyptic proportions. The potential for this epidemic is extremely probable." He said the relief effort faced a "race against time" to prevent diseases such as diphtheria, cholera and malaria spreading. He said: "The size of this is simply extraordinary and in terms of its impact much greater than the tsunami impact in Sri Lanka or Indonesia. The capacity to absorb this level of suffering, dislocation and chaos doesn't exist (in Burma]. It really requires international aid, it cannot be done in-country."

Meanwhile a Red Cross official Anders Ladekarl, who is in Burma, revealed the magnitude of the task facing rescuers. He said: "We are simply lacking transportation. There are almost no boats and no helicopters. This is really a nightmare to make this operation run."

Entire villages have been submerged in the Irrawaddy delta. Yesterday the British ambassador to Burma, Mark Canning, estimated that the death toll was between 60-100,000. Mr Canning said just five of the 17 Britons unaccounted for following the cyclone have been tracked down so far.

Last night Magnus MacFarlane-Barrow, chief executive of the Scottish multi-faith charity Mary's Meals, said they were determined not to walk away from their newly-opened food centres in Burma and on the Burma/Thai border. Mr MacFarlane-Barrow said: "My worry is that when the public sees such a respected body as the UN World Food Programme threaten to suspend aid flights into Burma it sends a message that the door has been slammed closed. We could have over 50,000 people dead and over a million suffering; politics will not bury the dead, feed the starving or get water to the thirsty.

"I hope that people continue to give and we can end the squabbling and get aid to those suffering. We at Mary's Meals are determined to rebuild our school feeding stations that have been destroyed ."

Last night the aid group Action Against Hunger noted that the delta region is known as the country's granary, and the cyclone hit before the harvest. A statement released by the group said: "If the harvest has been destroyed this will have a devastating impact on food security in Burma."

The effects were already being felt in Rangoon, where the price of increasingly scarce water shot up by more than 500 per cent, and rice and oil jumped by 60 per cent over the last three days.

Last night there was evidence of a change in direction as the Burmese government agreed to a single US military C-130 in the country on Monday, in what the White House hopes will be the beginning of a steady flow of aid to the stricken nation.

'Please help us, we are facing difficulty for our daily survival'

ONE week ago, the old life of Ma Khine was swept away in a tide of wind, waves and rain. Today, she and her family huddle together in a monastery, along with 500 other villagers from the township of Kyauktan, another victim of Cyclone Nargis.

Last Saturday, Nargis blasted the southern coastal area of Burma at 190kph, the worst natural disaster the country has experienced. Along with the ensuing tidal wave, measuring up to 12m high, the destruction left up to 100,000 people dead or missing.

As night approached and the flood waters rose on Saturday, many villagers crowded into the Sasana Beikman monastery with Ma Khine's family. Others held to vain refuge in their houses, until they collapsed. Some families clung to plastic containers to keep from drowning. Ma Khine said: "It was frightening. I was worried that my family members would be separated. Our faces went blue from cold and I thought we were going to die."

Huddling with her family in one of the hardest-hit areas in Rangoon division, Ma Khine talked briefly about a tough life made worse by the disaster. Economic conditions were so strained in the Irrawaddy Delta village where her family's simple house used to stand, that she had left school to work in a garment factory near the country's capital. She barely earned 200 kyat (£16) a month, she said.

The first reports of fatalities in Kyauktan township put the number of deaths at 16 of the 15,000 affected population and a number of authorities speculate it will grow considerably once they can access more of the 44 affected villages in the township.

In the temporary camp, children younger than five sit in their mother's arms, a shocked expression frozen on their faces. They don't want to return to their village, but their parents are anxious to start picking up the pieces of their shattered world.

As one mother said: "Please help us to rebuild our village. We are facing difficulty for our daily survival as our houses are now lying flat in the water; some are crushed by trees. We do not even have cooking utensils or clothes to wear."

According to a UNICEF team assessing the Kyauktan township situation, food is scarce among the 66 shelters there. Many villagers with houses remaining have been cooking and donating what they can.

At UNICEF, there are grave concerns that the children who have survived Cyclone Nargis and now have no safe drinking water are at risk of diarrhoeal and water-borne diseases.

UNICEF Myanmar (Burma) has 130 technical and operations staff working with partners and the government to procure and distribute additional essential drugs and other relief supplies, such as family kits (containing plastic sheets, mosquito nets, plates and utensils, a cooking pot and towels) water purification tablets, rehydration salts to treat diarrhoeal dehydration and tarpaulins for shelter.

It is also working to restore water and sanitation services; provide temporary learning spaces, as many schools have been destroyed; establish safe spaces for thousands of children in need of protection and assist in the identification and reunification of children separated from their families.


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1

Dileas,

10/05/2008 00:48:22
What is to say? That the extremists in this junta care more for their dogma that their people - the same can be said of Gordon Brown who would sooner stick with hitting the poorest paid for more tax than reducing their burden. the two differ only in extent, not in the desire to impose their will.
2

Boy Wonder,

10/05/2008 00:57:59
Sorry, but I will not donate with this junta in charge and intent on letting their people die!
3

Guga II,

Rockall 10/05/2008 01:16:07
Maybe the war criminals Bush and Broon will realise that if there was ever a country in need of "regime change", then Burma is it. They could invade quite easily, without having to lie about WMD or the war criminal Bliar's famous 45 minute garbage.

They won't, of course, as Burma is a client state of China, and they are too scared that China will hit back.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, why aren't the gangster Chinese government forcing their client state to allow in international aid, especially when they are showing no signs of supplying aid themselves.

4

Jade the Obscure,

10/05/2008 02:02:49
I couldn't give a tartan one, quite honestly.

It happens.

I take it that Burma has no valuable oil reserves?
5

porcadian,

10/05/2008 02:05:08
As a Christian Scot,I pray for the Burmrese people.
6

Jude The Obtuse,

10/05/2008 02:11:40
Aye, the one-eyed man is King in the land of the propaganda-blinded.

TV images from Burma were sad and sickening. The Military rulers place no human value on their most lowly people.

Brown's Britain is no different. An Ignoramus leading the ignorati.
7

Guga II,

Rockall 10/05/2008 02:38:39
#4 Jude. They have, but the gangster Chinese government has got its mitts on that.
8

Jim Baxter RIP,

Sai Kung, Hong Kong 10/05/2008 02:39:58
Cambodia, Rwanda, Darfur, Myanmar.
The West talk and babble but in the end millions of people die.

What a world.
9

American,

10/05/2008 02:51:16
#8-jim-"millions of people die." And whose fault is that?
10

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/05/2008 03:43:15
Zimbabwe, Sudan and Burma.

Look at the three worst regimes on the planet who are intent on keeping power even if it means death and misery for their people.

What do they all have in common?

China is their benefactor.

When will the world realize that the biggest source of misery on this planet is the regime in Beijing.
11

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/05/2008 03:59:06
If you can't control the distribution you should not be sending aid.

The Burmese army will seize all the food shipments and warehouse them to feed the Army through the coming famine.

The cyclone wiped out 80% of their rice production before the harvest.

Within 3 months famine will be endemic across the whole country.

If you think the Generals will give up their Bently's, Palaces and $500,000 weddings for their children to buy food for their starving people you are sadly mistaken.

12

David Cavers,

Kincardine 10/05/2008 05:19:43
#11 KampungHighlander,You hit it right on the nose! The government, (I use a small g rather than a large G because the government there doesn't deserve that kind of respect)of Burma doesn't give a rats backside about the ordinary people, only themselves.
That said. I hope the government finally sees the light and allows unobsructed flow of aid, both in food and transportation of said aid.
13

Black & White Triumph,

Greenhill road.....soon 10/05/2008 07:10:58
Well poor Burma/Myanmar, it is a splendid country ruled by fear, they have natural resources in abundance, they still have racially distinct tribalism in most of the country, as in Africa the powerful tribe holds the aces at present, this will change but only slowly, Aung San Suu Kyi has not been allowed to speak out, the Buddist monks are silenced so what does that leave us with, a bad regime, not popularly supported who are progressively denuding the country and persecuting the monorities.

They should be hounded out and replaced with what.......?
14

Tim Clancey,

10/05/2008 07:13:45
#1 and #6 I'm not a Gordon Brown fan, but saying that he is bad enough to be compared to the Burmese military junta sounds a bit harsh!
15

WKKB,

10/05/2008 08:23:49
I keep expecting someone to say that Bush, Blair or Brown ordered the cyclone... Get a grip all you twits. This is about a government who is suspicious of most of the rest of the world, particularly the US and Britain... does anyone in this blog really know why? Maybe they're afraid humanitarian aid is being brought in by an army who will then invade and take. At least the US army doesn't take and stamp it's name on places it's been like our own British government who have for years gone into countries and taken over, planting the British flag and saying you are all now british citizens. If I were Burma I might be a little concerned as well, it wouldn't be the first time the Brits have gone into Burma and taken over. Didn't Britain conquer Burma in 1824 and hold it until 1948? Yeah... I can understand why they don't want anyone coming in. Think about it, the US and Britain don't even recognize the name of the country as the current government calls it. I accept that the name change didn't happen in the most legal of ways but IF you were the government there wouldn't you be a little suspicious? Remember that this is a country like most non western countries who don't see things the way we do. I don't agree with keeping aid from the people but I do understand why the government is suspicious. Maybe they feels it's better to let people die then be governed by the Brits again... Most of you here don't have anything good to say about our government... why would they?
16

Mashimaro,

China 10/05/2008 08:38:09
It's important not to politicise this. Myanmar has been subjected to US attempts to stir a revolution just recently. It's not going to allow the US back in and there is too much history with the UK.
17

WKKB,

10/05/2008 08:49:58
YUP!
18

Amani_Bunduki,

Canberra 10/05/2008 08:52:41
The Burmese Military would likely be unable to fight it's way out of a wet paper bag if they can not manage a situation like this. Perhaps if they realised that the PR side of managing disasters is that it conveys some degree of military efficiency, they might pull their fist out of where it is solidly embedded currently.

At what point does the world have to intervene ? Rwanda's genocide was left to run it's course. If this situation runs it's course it will be little better than a genocidal mass-murder of epic proportions committed upon a government's own people.
19

Chris,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 08:54:11
#15 WKKB: "At least the US army doesn't take and stamp it's name on places it's been...", erm.. how about the Panama Canal Zone?
20

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/05/2008 08:57:43
#16

Foxtrot Oscar Mushi

Your Regime is responsible for this fiasco.

You and your pet monkeys in Naypyidaw are allowing hundreds of thousands to die.

You are going to wear that like stinking fish hanging around the neck of your countries reputation.

Enjoy your Olympics, because no one is coming.

Why dont you post your opinions on your countries website.

Oh I'm sorry....Chinese people arn't allowed to have opinions.
21

WKKB,

10/05/2008 09:34:41
ok Chris #19... should we start making a list?

The canal zone was a 553 square mile territory inside of Panama, consisting of the Panama Canal and an area extending 5 miles on each side of the centerline (but it did not include Panama City and Colón,

From 1903 to 1979 the territory was controlled by the U.S., which had built and financed the canal's construction. From 1979 to 1999 the canal itself was under joint U.S.-Panamanian control. In 1977 the Torrijos-Carter Treaties established the neutrality of the canal.

So, the U.S. financed and built the canal which is used by the world to transport cargo. Who ultimately benefits?

22

Russell M,

Stirling 10/05/2008 10:20:28
Who said, "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." Hint: dead white guy. It is politically fashionable in certain circles to disparage wisdom from the Age of Enlightenment, especially when it interferes with control of the ordinary citizen by the oligarchy today.
23

Nellie,

Liverpool 10/05/2008 11:39:02
#1 Don't be silly - the what the Junta is doing and what Brown has done (bad though that is) bare no comparison. The effect of Brown taking a few quid of poor people, wrong as that is, isn't the same as taking all the bread from their mouths and making them starve. Brown taking a few quid from people who struggle financially anyway, isn't the same as refusing them medical aid to stop all of them dying. The scale of Brown's sins are a worm cast compared to mountainous sins of the Junta in effectively condemning to death many thousands of homeless, genuinely starving, rapidly becoming ill, and incredibly traumatized people.

What Brown has done is wrong; what the Junta is doing is evil.
24

Nellie,

Liverpool 10/05/2008 11:57:43
#2 Careful you do not fall into the same "I stand by my principles" cr#p as that which is stopping the Junta accepting aid! Starving people don't care about the Junta's principles or yours. Principles are not going to feed them food or get them medicine and shelter.
25

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 10/05/2008 13:34:58
#20 KampungHighlander,
For a person who claims to have lived in Shanghai for a couple of years, and who would like to buy some property in Shanghai when the house prices come down, you sure speak badly of China. You seriously think that you will be welcomed back with open arms? Are you sure that you've ever even set foot in China? Or do you indeed live in Indonesia? You sound like a sh!t disturber in a good many of your posts, especially anything to do with China.
When you say that we are responsible for this fiasco, it sounds as if you're saying that we are indeed responsible for the weather. We have interests in Myanmar, and are on friendly terms with them, but we haven't quite figured out how to control the weather affecting them. We mourn their loss of people as much as the rest of the world does.
26

Cyn,

Left of Center 10/05/2008 15:46:21
It appears that the junta has now taken these aid boxes and plastered them over with the names of their generals in an effort to show how the 'governemnt' is 'taking care of her people'. Disgraceful and yet at least aid is finally arriving in the hands of the people who need it most. My heart goes out to these people who must feel that the world has forgotten them.
27

Foo,

ejinbara 10/05/2008 15:54:04
What's to stop the US and allies performing air drop offs? Other than some wee tin pot junta? Just do the drop offs and if the junta get in the way then unleash the AC-130 Spooky!

The Burmese people need help. Today, this hour. Not once we've finished negotiations!

The Chinese government are too clever and like their fat cat comfort too much to risk angering the US, they know that a confrontation with the US would only end with one outcome; their utter annihilation.
28

Mashimaro,

China 10/05/2008 15:57:50
#20 I'll have you know that aid from China has arrived.
I'll also have you know... idiot... that China is the only hope these people have because, quite simply, the west has so alienated this government that they will only trust China.
China cannot force them to accept aid, but at least they can talk to them. Which is more, buddy, than you guys can do.
29

Foo,

ejinbara 10/05/2008 16:05:34
#28 - I'm always surprised that you are able to post here, what proxy server do you use to bypass your regimes ruthless censorship...idiot?

30

JT,

10/05/2008 16:16:39
I feel sorry for those people who lost everything, but Im not giving anything to a junta who will feed themselves, family and freinds first before handing out to the people who need it. This is one of the reasons why I stopped supporting organisations such as Oxfam for their political idealists who run the show. If China values Burma then let it put its hand in its pocket and show the world it does care for people.
31

Trade-wind,

USA 10/05/2008 16:54:26
#3 GUGA II
Do you realize that each time you rant and rave about how bad and evil the Americans are you make yourself less credible to everyone who reads this rag. You are obsessed by some imaginary deamon that has f**ked up your mind. You ought to crawl off some place and lick your wounds. Then after you heal (if you heal) come back and see if you can be civil and contribute to any discussion without ranting about the evil Americans.
Get a life or vanish.
32

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10/05/2008 17:02:21
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33

Trade-wind,

USA 10/05/2008 17:18:44
#11
You have spoken a truth larger than any so far.
What good is it to provide aid, if it will only be
stolen at the port of entry by the junta. They
will then survive and continue to deprive their
people of a decent life. I would like nothing better than help those stricken so find a way to do it and I will give freely. Until then I will not waste my hard earned dollars by supporting that Junta.
34

Andy Mooney,

Mississauga 10/05/2008 18:38:24
To make matters worse they Junta are going ahead with their democratic vote today while millions are suffering. But to compare Bush or Blair with them is nuts, remember the people of these countries voted them in.
35

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/05/2008 18:52:47
#25 Skidmark

You get me wrong again, I like Chinese people but I hate the CCP that keeps them as slaves and has a foreign policy that encourages the enslavement and mass murder of others so that you can get the natural resources necessary to feed China Inc.

You really have to take the p*ssy googles off. I realize you probably had little luck with the ladies back in Canada. But are you really sure your China Doll isn't only interested in your big fat salary from teaching English. Da Betsu, Da Jia Ba, Da Chia?

#28 Mushi

Well its good to know the Chinese aid has arrized. Is that the same aid you were sending Zimbabwe that could not be delivered? How is the Burma/China oil pipeline going? Still having trouble with your Burmese partners lining up enough slave labour?

Thats Ok you have the Olympics to show the World Chinas Peacful Rise. Ha Ha Ha.
36

grannie,

Glasgow 10/05/2008 20:42:29
It would have been better if these natural disasters took away the Junta. Always seems, no matter what, evil survives and the poor suffer.
37

Rebel,

USA 10/05/2008 23:41:16
How many persons have to die before the dim-witted among us admit GOVERNMENT is the cause of the world's miseries and not the solution? Oh, right. The government tyrants continue to benefit the "Haves", (that's us, folks), so they are condoned for their power to do as they please, (at least until our usefullness has ended). Think of what the Chinese government will do in Africa over the next generation.
It will make the wars among the African nations seem small in contrast.
38

Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks California 11/05/2008 00:44:27
Do you folks really believe everything you read. Myanmar (Burma) is in turmoil, no one really is able to co-ordinate anything yet we continue to attack the Government. They have no power no phones no water no food yet they are siezing supplies and "selling: them abroad, how ridiculous! This information comes from the USA and UK the Great powers that "captured" Iraq to save the world from nuclear catastrophy!! Don't you see that whenever a country does not do it our way it becomes part of the evil empire. Cuba, Venezuela, N Korea, Haiti, Granada, Somalia etc. Most of the other small undeveloped countries have governments paid for by us! You are like sheep!
39

born2ski,

Trail, BC, Canada 11/05/2008 01:22:26
It's the dope ... dummies. The Myanmar (Burma) Junta deperately wants to continue supplying opium and heroin to their International customers. Dope Dealers need chaos to operate freely. It is the main business in Burma. This disaster is ideal for the government to wheel & deal their nefarious wares to their Thai middlemen on on to Europe and America.
40

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 11/05/2008 02:47:37
#35 KampungHighlander,
It is blatantly obvious that you don't like the Chinese, for if you did, you wouldn't badmouth China at every opportunity you get.
This whole cyclone thing that happened in Myanmar, you conveniently dumped in out lap.
You have a real problem with China when you wish that the Olympic torch relay gets disrupted as much as possible, and keep score of who is the best at disrupting the relay.
You have a real problem with China when you wish that nobody will show up for our olympics.
Those above mentioned things make it so clear that you hate the Chinese, for if you didn't, you'd wish us luck, and not misfortune.
41

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/05/2008 04:38:58
#40 Skidmark

No your wrong again, you really are not to bright. Are you sure you grew up in Canada?

You might have learned that it is possible to hate a Government while at the same time as holding nothing but empathy for the people it misrules.

I hate Robert Mugabe and his Zanu-PF thugs but my heart goes out to the poor Zimbabweans who suffer because of your governments policies.

I hate the Burmese Junta and would rejoice the day they stop brething. But I have absolute sympathy for the plight of the Burmese people, who are used as slave labour to build pipelines to carry oil so sychophants like you can be nice and cosy in ChungKing.

I Like the Chinese People and have a great respect for their ancient culture, but that does not stop me enjoying the CCP continually getting Egg Fu Yung on its face.
42

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 11/05/2008 05:00:11
#41 KampungHighlander,
How can I make it clear to you that when you belittle China and wish it misfortune, that you are doing it to each and every Chinese citizen. You clearly support boycotting China, again, ALL the Chinese citizens will get hurt by the boycotts.
What I don't get about you is that you say that you want to buy property in Shanghai, where do you suppose your money goes when you buy that property? Right to the government that you so openly hate. So what is it? Boycott or buy property? You need to think before you open your mouth, but having come from the west, you were never given that option, so now you don't know how to think.
43

Navvy,

11/05/2008 05:03:19
#4 a shame on your tartan ignorance

Burmah Oil headquartered in Glasgow - lots of oil
Huge teak forests
Enormous gem mines especially rubies

Formerly the world's greatest exporter of rice and could be again if the junta were to go

Scots ran the oil, the timber and the Irrawaddy Flotilla company steamships which were and riverboats still are essential to transport

The chinese KMT remnants broug power and gun politics to the tribal and christian north and to northern Thailand where the King was instrumental in getting rid of the opium.

The ethnically different Burman south mostly Buddhist run the army and defy the independence constitution to honour the tribal north

Learn before you open your tartan mouth


44

Navvy,

11/05/2008 05:04:13
#41

You're or your
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45

Navvy,

11/05/2008 05:06:26
Churches are helping

The Archbishop of Burma can use his network to distribute aid where it is needed. Churches in Singapore are sending money and goods

I have 3 Myanmar staff. Happily their families are OK though those in Rangoon are having a very difficult time
46

Navvy,

11/05/2008 05:07:59
The US Navy and the Singapore armed forces did an excellent job after the Ache earthquake and tsunami and could help Burma if the junta agreed, if the junta cared for its people
47

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/05/2008 06:43:08
#42

"What I don't get about you is that you say that you want to buy property in Shanghai, where do you suppose your money goes when you buy that property?

I will buy it from its owner since all the nice Villas in the French Quarter are in Private Hands

"Right to the government that you so openly hate."

Who says the CCP will even be in pwer when I buy. I believe in the old saying by Rockerfeller " The best time to buy is when blood runs in the streets." So expect to see me buying as the CCP is overthrown.

"So what is it? Boycott or buy property?"

Boycott now, buy later.

"You need to think before you open your mouth, but having come from the west, you were never given that option, so now you don't know how to think."

I would give you the same advise but add, think for yourself, dont let your commissar do your thinking for you.

Since I have been good enough to answer your questions maybe you can return the courtesy and answer mine.

1. Do you think China was promoting World Peace when it shipped arms to a conflict torn Zimbabwe?

2. Do you think it is right that your Government harvest organs from live prisoners?

3. Do you support your Governments policy of Forced Abortions?

4. Do you think it is appropriate to use slave labour to Oil Pipelines?

If you are not prepared to answer I will take that to mean that you are unable to.

48

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 11/05/2008 07:17:28
#47 KampungHighlander,

1. I wasn't there when Zimbabwe inked the deal for Chinese arms, so it's anybody's guess as to what those arms were bought for.

2. China does not harvest organs from live prisoners or live anybody.

3. Forced abortions are not a government policy, but I'm sure that forced abortions are carried out, and no, I don't agree with abortions of any kind, nor the death penalty or so called executions.

4. I'm not aware of slave labour being used to build pipelines, that's a claim you make, and where is this being carried out?

You are quite the opportunist if you will wait until the blood runs in the streets before you buy, and a cold hearted one at that.

Finally, when buying privately or through the government, your money, via taxes, still goes to the government, so again, you lack the ability to think.
49

Anglofile,

11/05/2008 09:16:03
The almighty is merely having his annual "clear out".

No donations from me to a military run country. It's a bit like the BBC keeping the charity money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
50

Mashimaro,

China 11/05/2008 09:23:13
#38 YES Billy. Some of us see it all too clearly.
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Mashimaro,

China 11/05/2008 09:24:32
#37 Yeah Rebel...peace and prosperity will be more than any African nation can handle.
You whites went in to Africa and failed miserably.
Don't expect China to make the same mistake.
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Mashimaro,

11/05/2008 10:01:57
Camp Highlander

1. Do you think China was promoting World Peace when it shipped arms to a conflict torn Zimbabwe?

It's not China's business to "promote World Peace". That is what the United Nations is for. When arms are bought by a country China will supply them - just as other countries which manufacture arms does.

2. Do you think it is right that your Government harvest organs from live prisoners?

The Chinese government does not harvest organs from live prisoners. That is a myth.

3. Do you support your Governments policy of Forced Abortions?

Forced abortions are not government policy. Maybe you need to find better sources of reading material.

4. Do you think it is appropriate to use slave labour to Oil Pipelines?

It is neither appropriate nor legal to use slave labour for anything other than cutting and painting my toe nails.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 11/05/2008 10:34:55
#52 Mashimaro,
I think that we are both both well aware that the KampungHighlander is another programmed robot, making nothing but statements and claims on articles he has read in some lying western media report. It is obvious the boy can't think for himself, and equally as obvious how much he hates the Chinese. It goes far deeper than hating our government, otherwise he would not keep on talking all this boycott BS. For someone that claims that he lived in Shanghai for two years, he fails to mention how advanced and modern Shanghai is, for that would be admitting that China indeed is making huge strides forward to better the lives of its citizens. I lived in Shanghai for the first year and nine months, before I moved to Chongqing, and some areas of Shanghai are as modern as any western city, or global city for that matter. Chongqing, eventhough behind Shanghai, is seeing huge improvements all of the time and will be the equivalent of Shanghai within 25 years, possibly sooner. Chongqing, due to the fact that it is a mountain city, has many more planning problems and higher costs for infrastucture at every level. The KampungHighlander is not welcome here in my opinion, for he hates China, and is only interested in financial gain.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/05/2008 14:54:31
#48 Skidmark

"1. I wasn't there when Zimbabwe inked the deal for Chinese arms, so it's anybody's guess as to what those arms were bought for."

Well the arms deal was done 2 days after Mugabe loses the election. It is rather obvious that the arms are to thin out the opposition. If you cant see that your either stupid or willfuly ignorant.

2. China does not harvest organs from live prisoners or live anybody.

Yes it does, I have seen the film footage. Just because its not on your state controlled media does not mean it doesn't happen.

3. Forced abortions are not a government policy, but I'm sure that forced abortions are carried out, and no, I don't agree with abortions of any kind, nor the death penalty or so called executions.

There is even evidence that the chinese government acknowledges, so your against chinas practice of executing prisoners. Do you go to a lot of protests? Of course not, they would deport your Lo Wei @ss so fast your feet would not touch the ground. The fact that you come on hear and spout about us treating China unfairly while you lack the courage of your convictions to protest in your own adopted homeland makes you a coward.

4. I'm not aware of slave labour being used to build pipelines, that's a claim you make, and where is this being carried out?

In Burma, the Burmese Army is your joint venture partner in constructing the Burma/China oil pipeline.
They are responsible for supplying all the labour. The do this by rounding up villagers and forcing to work on the project without wages and very little food.
Much like the Japanese when they built the Burma Railroad in World War II your pipeline is being built on corpses. I guess you dont know because it is not something your Government has told you about. Did they tell you that all the aid into Burma has been confiscated by the Burmese army? That most of it is now for sale in the local markets?

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Mashimaro,

China 11/05/2008 16:00:09
#54 2. "China does not harvest organs from live prisoners or live anybody.

Yes it does, I have seen the film footage. Just because its not on your state controlled media does not mean it doesn't happen."

You're such a liar, campy. Seriously. If there was film footage out there, I would know about it. Oh wait... don't tell me.. it's an Epoch Times special. Ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Mashimaro,

China 11/05/2008 16:03:11
Campy - what Myanmar does is Myanmar's business, not China's. We deal with everybody, and aren't you glad we do otherwise nothing would be getting through to these victims.

And yes our newspaper has reported the aid being stopped. I'm haven't seen anything about it being sold in local markets, but then the western press lies so much how can you blame us for not believing them.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/05/2008 21:46:53
#49 - Anglofile.
Yo won't give aid to a military dictatorship? No one's asking you to - they are asking you to give aid to the poor saps who live under the dictatorship and are now without food and water, without shelter and without medical aid because of a natural disaster. Your moral principles mean nothing to people who are as desperate as them!
Come on man! Get off your moral high-horse and show some compassion, some care and pity, and above all, show some money to help these people!

 

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