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Afghanistan clerics upset as woman makes final of 'Pop Idol'



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Published Date: 14 March 2008
IN A first for post-Taleban Afghanistan, a woman has made it to the final three in the country's version of Pop Idol.
Lima Sahar, from the conservative Pashtun belt, is up against two male contestants tonight for a place in the final sing-off on Afghan Star, which has become one of the nation's most popular television shows.

Conservatives decry the fact that a w
oman has found success singing on TV, while others – younger Afghans – say the show is helping women progress.

Under the Taleban regime that was overthrown in 2001, women were not even allowed out of their homes unaccompanied, while music and television were banned.

With her hair tucked under a headscarf, Lima brushes off her critics, saying there can be no progress for women without upsetting the status quo. "No pain, no gain," she told reporters.

Lima saw off 2,000 other hopefuls who auditioned for the third series of Afghan Star, in which viewers vote by text message. The format is similar to Pop Idol – the singers perform in front of a studio audience and three judges, and past winners have been given recording deals.

Afghanistan's clerics' council has protested to the president, Hamid Karzai, over the show. "In the situation that we have in Afghanistan right now, we don't need a woman singer. We don't need Afghan Star. We are in need of a good economy, good education," said Ali Ahmad Jebra-ali, a member of the council. "If Lima Sahar wins Afghan Star, how can she help the poor? This is not the way to help the Afghan people."

Haji Baran Khan, a farmer from Kandahar – the Taleban's spiritual birthplace and the city Lima now calls home – said a Pashtun girl singing on TV went against the country's culture.

"She is also affecting the minds of other good girls. She should stop singing," said Khan, whose three sons and two daughters told him about Lima's success.

She says she's just the latest in a long tradition of Afghan artists – albeit in a more modern form. "Artists are historical and cultural in our country. Artists have been around a long time," she told a news conference. "I came by the vote of the people of Afghanistan."

Several hundred supporters lined up to get the three finalists' autographs at an event in Kabul.

The three finalists represent each of Afghanistan's three main ethnic groups: Pashtuns, Hazaras and Tajiks. Shohabidin Mohammad, an ethnic Hazara who was at the event in Kabul, said he didn't believe ethnicity should play a part in the vote. But he acknowledged, somewhat sheepishly, he will vote for the Hazara finalist – Hameed Sakhizada.

Standing beside him was Abass Nariwal, a fan of Lima's and, like her, an ethnic Pashtun. Another of her fans, Nematullah Khan, is a 25-year-old student at Kandahar University.

"She took a bold step. She has a lot of courage," he said. "Whether she wins or not, she's a good example for our youth."

THREE TRIBES, THREE SINGERS – WHICH WILL WIN?

THE winner of this year's Afghan Star will take home the equivalent of about £2,500 – a king's ransom in Afghanistan.

The odds-on favourite to win is Rafi Naabzada, 19, an ethnic Tajik, who calls the show "a symbol of unity".

He said: "Afghan Star belongs to all Afghans. My idea is not to get votes from just my tribe. I think that attitude is now finished – he's a Tajik or he's a Pushtun.

"(But] of course, we still have special support from those ethnic groups."

That is what bothers Mohammad Qasim Akhger, an independent political analyst. He says the most talented singers aren't necessarily the ones who get voted through.

"Now there is one Pushtun, one Hazara and one Tajik, so what will happen is that nobody will care about their talents; they will just vote for their tribe," he said.



The full article contains 657 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 13 March 2008 9:54 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Afghanistan
 
1

Encarta,

14/03/2008 00:57:22
50% of Afghanistan is of the female persuasion.

Give the Afghani women guns. Problem solved.
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American,

14/03/2008 01:28:49
#1-encarta-Sounds good to me.
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clarry,

14/03/2008 01:59:48
1 Encarts


I'm sure they would help to sort this out. However might turn the guns around.
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clarry,

14/03/2008 02:03:31


Wonder if she's as good as Leona Lewis

Simon Cowell might sign her up.

Sing a duet with Pol Potts.

No 1 in America

Give the prize money to the war effort.

6

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 14/03/2008 04:20:03
#2 Nice one, Scullion!!!!
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 14/03/2008 06:24:55
Would be great if they sent Cowell over to Helmand, unescorted.
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donald,

glasgow 14/03/2008 07:44:19
Sometimes it's hard tae be a wumman, giving all yer love tae Afghanistan
when yer liberators are bombing you all the time.
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voltaire's janny,

14/03/2008 08:27:44
Any doubt what what the Islamist version of a "good girl" is?

One who submits to an arranged marriage without prior contact with the husband, who has made a financial deal with her father to transfer ownership (of her), she having been covered almost completely in public since before puberty.

She then can be abused physically and sexually without any recourse except to her husband's better side. She must obey and comply with his wiishes at all times and she can be denied access to education, health care or even intervention in life threatening birthing complications.

C'mon bad girls of the Middle East. The free world applauds your every gain.
10

Paddi,

14/03/2008 09:13:30
Does she sing with her burka on????? could be a ringer, like Celine Dion hiding underneath
11

Larry Hallatt,

Chesley 14/03/2008 09:13:52
Time for a few clerics to pick up a shovel and have a real job helping the poor.
12

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 10:21:10
Is it possible that they are only expressing an opinion on her talent?
13

Gothic Rose,

14/03/2008 10:28:06
You are a bunch of creeps!!
Regardless as to whether you like the song or sound, given situation,she is very brave.
14

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:09:35
13

But can she sing? theyre no giving prizes for haein baws.
15

Sgurr,

14/03/2008 11:16:40
Perhaps its Michelle McManus - i'd be as upset as the cleric if it was. NEXT!
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Gothic Rose,

14/03/2008 11:16:58
14#

Typical.
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Air Sense,

Durban South Africa 14/03/2008 11:25:57
Read the Quran and you will find the exact opposite of the prejudices the muslim clerics and the male population ( their gormless gall less followers ) subject Muslim women to . Here we see it for what it is , a conspiracy to subjugate women into submissiveness to further their own conniving careers . This girl has got tenacity and a fair proportion of testosterone compared to the cowards that condemn her . That cleric needs a firm kick in the balls to knock some sense into his empty head .I convey my gratitude for her efforts and wish her well in her endeavours . Go for it sister . If only they had a Christian government like ours was to educate our oppressors and protect us !
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Media 1,

cape town 14/03/2008 11:32:21
Will she be killed if she wins?

Why did we give these people televisions, electricity and other western treats?
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HEN BROON 5,

14/03/2008 12:22:45
Glad to see the Edinburgh/ Tehran twinning story has been pulled.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:25:51
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Actually it hasnt I thought it had as well but its still there and going strong.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:27:10
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Youre thinking o the prize fur the biggest beard no the biggest baws.

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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:34:52
18

What makes you think you have the right to control what they should or shouldnt have?
Getting yer apartheid hat on again are you?
And since when was Cape Town in the West?
Did ye slip up again ya wee troll?
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14/03/2008 13:59:07
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14/03/2008 14:15:17
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mike - across the pond,

media1 14/03/2008 14:28:53
for the same reason they are pushing internet access and self powered laptops to remote villages throughout the 3rd world...

the internet gives them access to the world....

IF you give them access to the world... they think

they think.... chances are they will chafe at the bonds of the oppressors (be they religious or political)

they chaffe at the bonds of the oppressors... the world becomes a safer place...

and we all win...
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow. the capital of equality! 14/03/2008 14:39:35
#1 Encarta........... I say, lets all join the Encarta movement and woe to the clerics!
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57Nomad,

california 14/03/2008 14:45:32
I am amused at the die-hard losers that continually try to cast the war in Afghanistan as one of NATO vs Afghanistan. It is nothing of the kind and the posters know it. The war is NATO and Afghanistan against the "Taleban."

Here's the news, buckaroos. We won in Iraq. That war is over and there is no longer a threat of the democratically elected government being run out of town by your vile and thuggish comrades. The pack of jackals you pinned your hopes on are running away from Iraq as fast as they can. They lost and you lost. The winners in Iraq are the incredibly brave Iraqis, the coalition, Britain, America, and the biggest winner of them all, US President, George W. Bush.

The jihadi cowards that came to Iraq, terrorized the Iraqi people, got kicked out of Iraq by the same Iraqi people they had hoped to rule, are now making their way back home or for the really dumb ones, on to Afghanistan. They will find no more fertile ground there. The Iraqi people and the Afghan people are our brothers and sisters. They want what we want. They want to be free. They want a decent future for themselves and for their children and they want their countries to be counted among the successful societies and nations of the world. Those who would wish disasters on them for the sake of advancing their own sick social and political aims at home are as loathsome a people as it is possible for our common gene pool to create. Disgusting.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 15:00:00
26

I am more concerned about the rubbish comming out of the States on the internet including numorous viruses.
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14/03/2008 15:06:57
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14/03/2008 15:14:13
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14/03/2008 15:21:17
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Dáithí,

San Jose 14/03/2008 15:34:37
#30 - F Off

>"That war is over and there is no longer a threat of the democratically elected government being run out of town by your vile and thuggish comrades."

Aye you should cut and paste this and send it to the family of the next dead soldier killed in Iraq."

Don't forget the British soldiers who also died for the same reason.

Is there anybody that you don't hate, F Off?
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Paddi,

14/03/2008 17:32:21
Anybody got any idea what this burka clad beauty might have been singing?

"Stand by your man" or perhaps "stand 10 feet behind your man"
35

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 17:56:36
Oh Daithi appears and posts disappear.

so thats to be the new spin from Washington is it? we have actually won the war in Iraq AGAIN!
So how many more times do we have to win it before our troops can come home and celebrate????
So what do we blame the next coalition casualty on then an accidental shooting? or a mistake with explosives?

I have never hated anything enough to hurt kill or maim it in the name of freedom democracy or the American way if thats what you mean?
36

Furchrissake,

14/03/2008 18:08:31
'Maybe it's burkas I'm an Afghani'
37

Furchrissake,

14/03/2008 18:11:02
'I love you burkas'
'Burkas of you'
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14/03/2008 18:31:09
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14/03/2008 18:35:20
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:44:23
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I was under the impression the US armed forces were ordered to open up their cordon in order to let him escape when they had him boxed in has that story changed now?
Of course they had a better chance of catching him if they had actually kept their troops in Afganistan instead of transferring them over to Iraq.
Just a thought.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:47:54
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Dont you believe it both Daithi and Lynne are past deleters from old just stick the word Jew Zionist or Israel in yer post and watch it disappear.
Say what you like about Islam and Mohammed you can even call him a paedophile and nothing will happen.
Its magic.
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Lord Killwillie,

Killwillie Castle 14/03/2008 19:08:39
1 Encarta

Give them to us first!
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14/03/2008 19:23:48
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57Nomad,

california 14/03/2008 19:32:58
#41 F off

F of said:

"Dont you believe it both Daithi and Lynne are past deleters from old just stick the word Jew Zionist or Israel in yer post and watch it disappear."


And you, pal are a lying SOB. I called attention to the fh tactic of deleting their own posts and blaming it on others over a month ago. You may rant til you are blue in you typing fingers but that's not going to change a thing. It's just another trite and vacuous tactic being run by a couple of armchair Bolsheviks who think they are clever. It started off when Suck tried to get personal with one of the posters on this forum. That didn't work and neither will this. We are on to you. Keep it up, comrade, you are unintentionally hilarious caricatures of the 'marching together the workers own the future!' silly nitwits that lost the cold war. Your place in the dust bin of history is assured.

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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 19:41:39
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Oh really so you must know for a fact who is actually responsible for all the deleting which can only mean yer confessing.
And isnt it funny how it always seems to be the anti NEOCON zionist posts which are struck off and not the vile disgusting anti islamaphobic crap you and yer sick group of ignorant w*nkers post on a regular basis.
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John Blackley,

Florida 14/03/2008 19:58:35
#28 57Nomad: Thank goodness! A couple of days ago I agreed with something you said. I've seen a doctor and I'm much better now - better enough to ask if you're serious.

"We won in Iraq. That war is over........(blah, blah, blah" I really would love to hear your definition of 'won'. I'm sure it would be fascinating.

"the biggest winner of them all, US President, George W. Bush." I take it this isn't the same US President George W. Bush, who has failed to make good on any of his fatuous pre-invasion promises, who is currently 'presiding' over the biggest US economic meltdown of the past 50 years (directly or indirectly as a result of the invasion of Iraq) and who, as a consequence, will be remember as the useful idiot that we was as a president?

"The jihadi cowards that came to Iraq, terrorized the Iraqi people, got kicked out of Iraq" Remind me - this happened.......when?

"The Iraqi people and the Afghan people are our brothers and sisters." I'm happy to hear that you're of Iraqi/Afghani descent. Please don't include me in your family tree.

And finally, the most truly banal, misconceived, ill-educated statement I have ever seen you write (and that is quite an accolade): "They want what we want."

Therein, in that last statement, Nomad, lies much of what is wrong in America today.

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Tobermory,

Mull 14/03/2008 20:07:09
43 Horrible Cankers

You have a lovely name for a Troll. Even a stupid Troll like you should know you need to be a member of the FH site to view the whiteboard, the whiteboard is for members only!!!
48

Methalions,

14/03/2008 20:14:20
Pop idol's pi­sh in any country. Idiot TV for the masses.
Read a blo­ody book or make your own music. It's all bollo­cks.
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Gothic Rose,

14/03/2008 20:16:31
And just what has all this to do with the song and performer.Bggr all!
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 14/03/2008 20:55:08
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Is this RP?

It was only on the WB for 1/2 a day and we all knew it was a joke.

Ei kestä
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14/03/2008 20:58:21
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 14/03/2008 21:13:37
51 HC

fyi... I received a response from the Scotsman today about the complaint I sent yesterday about the deletions. Part of the response stated a person will be banned due to excessive deleting of posts. So be careful on how many posts you delete in the future, you already lost the Doreen ID.
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57Nomad,

california 14/03/2008 21:20:47
#46 JB

My definition of won? That's when the enemy has been defeated, all their soldiers captured or killed, and the remnants fleeing for their lives from outraged citizens.

Let me give you an example from that well known conservative rag, UPI.

"TIKRIT, Iraq, March 13 (UPI) -- Iraqi and Sons of Iraq forces conducted operations near the Iraqi city of Tikrit Thursday, killing a suspected al-Qaida commander."

John? John? Did you get that? Did you glean the important parts? First of all do you see which city which city the bas!*#d was killed in? Tikrit. What is Tikrit known for? Right, it is the birthplace of Saddam Hussein. Saddam's home town! Got it? What does that tell you? It should tell you is that the last hope of the chaos seekers, the Sunni Iraqis, are chasing the last of the jihadis out of Iraq all by themselves. The Shi'a were on our side from the beginning, al Sadr excepted, so that means that both the Shi'a and the Sunni are on our side against the pitiful remains of the foreign jihadis that have caused them so much grief. You ask what metric I used to measure victory? There you have it.

As for this statement of yours:

""The jihadi cowards that came to Iraq, terrorized the Iraqi people, got kicked out of Iraq" Remind me - this happened.......when?"

Please see the article above.

Now for the descent into world of the Grinch-hearted:

""The Iraqi people and the Afghan people are our brothers and sisters." I'm happy to hear that you're of Iraqi/Afghani descent. Please don't include me in your family tree."

and:

"And finally, the most truly banal, misconceived, ill-educated statement I have ever seen you write (and that is quite an accolade): "They want what we want.""

As for the suggestion that I don't include you in my family, what can I say but, thank you. Perhaps you belong to a different species.

I note with interest that you regard the statement, 'the Iraqi people are our brothers and sisters' as ridiculous
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57Nomad,

california 14/03/2008 21:27:09
#53 contd.

I note with interest that you regard the statement, 'the Iraqi people are our brothers and sisters' as ridiculous. Might we then assume that you do not subscribe to the sentiment that all men are brothers? Okay, you have stated your point of view and I am content to leave it at that.

Now, this puzzles me:

"And finally, the most truly banal, misconceived, ill-educated statement I have ever seen you write (and that is quite an accolade): "They want what we want."

You say that I was being banal, author of a misconceived and ill-educated statement. That's pretty good stuff and a fair shot, no offense taken. What you have failed to do, and this negates your smack, is to substantiate those views with anything but your say so.

More than that, you lifted it from the following context:

"The Iraqi people and the Afghan people are our brothers and sisters. They want what we want. They want to be free. They want a decent future for themselves and for their children and they want their countries to be counted among the successful societies and nations of the world."

Do you think the opposite? Are you of the opinion that the Iraqi people do not wish to be free? Do you think that Iraqis go to bed every night hoping that their children grow up in a society run by homicidal fanatics? Do they go to bed every night praying for their country to fall apart and become another Somalia, another Yemen, another Lebanon? Nice guy.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 14/03/2008 21:27:52
#35 - F Off

>"I have never hated anything enough to hurt kill or maim it in the name of freedom democracy or the American way if thats what you mean?"

Hardly, it is hard to reach any other conclusion than the one I stated. Here's why:

- If you don't hate Afghanis, why would you condemn them to life under the Taliban? Because, of course, you wouldn't want kill anyone to free them from this curse, as you state. In fact, you'd not be interested in any sort of sacrifice on your part at all on their behalf.

- You hate others because they will sacrifice to remove 'Taliban-type' religious fundamentalists, and in doing so make your inaction embarrassing by comparison.

- You hate that money is being detoured to people living under desperate regimes because you have rationalized that money should only be spent on you in the same of 'social justice'.

- If you don't hate the people of Darfur, then why allow the unarmed to continue dying at the hands of the heavily armed, and although perfectly capable of ending it, you have, like others, preferred to dismiss it as inbred African tribalism.

But mostly, you hate people like me for pointing this out.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 14/03/2008 21:34:57
#35 - F Off

>"Oh Daithi appears and posts disappear."

I have no power to remove posts, only the editors.

If you would learn how to behave in public without the name calling every time you get proven wrong, the editors wouldn't have any grounds for removing your wanton, personal attacks now, would they?

Once again, blaming others for your shortcomings.
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Paddi,

14/03/2008 21:35:04
Battles might have been won,a victory? what vanity is this! At very best a Pyrrhic victory, no more
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Dáithí,

San Jose 14/03/2008 21:43:07
#45 - F Off

>"...the vile disgusting anti islamaphobic crap you and yer sick group of ignorant w*nkers post on a regular basis."

Hahah, SEE why you aren't allowed out in public!

And you wonder WHY the editors deleted your posts?

Your hate just seethes thru these posts, too bad you aren't clever enough to find a way to phrase them without using the crutch of the weak-minded and just resorting to name calling.
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14/03/2008 22:29:52
54 Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen

Go play in traffic you scummy troll
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57Nomad,

california 14/03/2008 22:54:08
#58 Paddi

Paddi said:

"Battles might have been won,a victory? what vanity is this! At very best a Pyrrhic victory, no more"

It's no vanity at all. The first war was against the Iraqi army under Saddam. That war lasted a couple of weeks and resulted in the undoing of the Bathist regime and the systematic dismantling of the dictatorship.

The second war was against a variety of insurgent groups that could be roughly categorized as Iraqi resistance and a substantial influx foreign jihadis of a number of stripes. Then a funny thing happened. The foreign jihadis, unhappy with the lack of compliance from an important Sunni sheik inspired the jihadis to do something about it. I suppose the idea of logical persuasion may have been mooted at some point but it didn't receive widespread support among the jihadis who took a somewhat different response.

They murdered the Sheik by exploding a bomb under tanker truck full of chlorine. It got many others as well. Rather than the cowed compliance they were expecting they got just the opposite. The angered Sunni Iraqis began to fight back. They are on our side. The war is over. We won.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 23:02:51
Daithi

What a f*cking hypocrite do you hate the Irish enough to help raise money in order to murder some of them????

- If you don't hate Afghanis, why would you condemn them to life under the Taliban?

Its not down to you or me or anybody but the Afganis who they are governed by you pig ignorant arrogant brainless idiot of a woman!!!!

- You hate others because they will sacrifice to remove 'Taliban-type' religious fundamentalists, and in doing so make your inaction embarrassing by comparison.

Sacrifice what?? what exactly has Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld sacrificed in invading Afganistan???? apart from other peoples families!!!!!

"You hate that money is being detoured to people living under desperate regimes because you have rationalized that money should only be spent on you in the same of 'social justice'."

I hate that money is being raised by ignorant tos*ers like you to allow some brain dead thug the oportunity to blow up children in the name of freedom.

" If you don't hate the people of Darfur, then why allow the unarmed to continue dying at the hands of the heavily armed, and although perfectly capable of ending it, you have, like others, preferred to dismiss it as inbred African tribalism."

Are you completely f*cking deranged enough to post this sh*te in public? obviously you are.

What I hate is worthless c*nts like you simply because that is all you are a worthless C*nt!!!
delete it if you like you will have to read it first.

you stupid sick little bi*ch.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

14/03/2008 23:20:39
61.....XX
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 23:28:08
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What f*cking planet are you living on? are you so gullible you would believe anything told to you by the worse regime in US history???
Why dont you f*ck off out there yourself and put yer money where yer f*ckwit head is and take that worthless yiddish harridan c*nt Daithi with you and make sure she gets the oportunity to sacrifice herself in the name of murder and terrorism she so obviously revels in. Or is that too much to expect??? you will support this war as long as you yourselves dont actually have to get involved with it any anyway?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 23:39:25
Daithi

So come on then you worthless hypocritical little c*nt what time are yer flights to Iraq Afganistan and Darfur then????
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Iain's,

14/03/2008 23:42:27
No doubt the Taliban do not believe that eggs come out of hen's bums.
The fact is that they do , (well .without going into details).
Also Muslim men are born out of women. Mind you I suppose that these ignorant savages do not realise thet the Prophet was also born with the help of a woman.

The Taliban and the Wahabis are just a bunch of ignorant apostates.




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57Nomad,

california 14/03/2008 23:58:31
# 65 f off

f off said: Well, I can't repeat whay f off said because it is filled with obscenities. It is fair to say that you don't agree with my analysis. What I don't understand is your suggestion that those people that don't agree with you leave. Suppose they did? Would that make you feel more self secure? What is it about considering other points of view that frightens and angers you? A little introspection might do you some good.

You have mentioned "US Regime." The notion of 'regimes' is foreign to us. The current president was elected twice and will leave office when his second term is over. I think that you may have been a little melodramatic with the whole 'regime' deal. Maybe 'bombastic' is the more appropriate word.

As for supporting the war you will support this war because I "dont actually have to get involved with it any anyway?"

What are you a clairvoyant? How do you know? You know squat, that's what you know. Maybe less than squat. I only bring this up because you seem to know so much about the US. Look, moron, did you read the damn article or not? Apparently you didn't and just lost it and banged out your somewhat less that well thought out diatribe. If you had you would not have said:

"are you so gullible you would believe anything told to you by the worse regime in US history???"

Perhaps you will enlighten all of us as to when UPI became part of the US government. You need to establish this in order to substantiate your claim about being told things by your fanciful 'regime.'

I know what's got you upset, and don't feel alone because you've got company, it's that what's bad for Iraq is good for you and your pals. What's good for Iraq is bad for you and your pals, because if things go well in Iraq, it will invalidate your position. You bet on the wrong horse, Jasper. No wonder you're grumpy. Every one feels grumpy when they lose, why should you be any different.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 15/03/2008 00:06:08
#63, 65,66 - F Off

>"What a f*cking hypocrite...ignorant tos*ers like you...Are you completely f*cking deranged...What I hate is worthless c*nts like you simply because that is all you are a worthless C*nt!!!

Nice attempt to prove that you aren't hateful, Hahaha!

Are you under the impression that it worked?

FO - A weak, self-deluding, navel-gazing rationalization for inaction against injustice is more hateful than anything - except for your actual posts, of course.

Go relieve yourself, take a chill pill, a nice shower - then come back if you can make yourself presentable.

If not, nothing new - I know how you bored American leftist college students love to call people names once the weaknesses in their arguments are exposed.
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15/03/2008 01:46:47
Horrible Cankers

Please stop deleting posts here and on other threads. And when you and your childish friends delete your own posts it does not fool us.
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LD,

15/03/2008 08:25:21
Dáithí, 57Nomad

If you have noticed, you will realise that those posters who started first with "sh*te" and "f*cking" insults are usually the ones who end up as losers and stupid with no constructive argument left to dispute further.

Please keep on posting.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 15/03/2008 09:51:13
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youre under the impression that what you post is analysis? well you got the anal part right.
I suggested you leave for Iraq or Afganistan and put yer sick convictions tae the test. War is ok wie folk like you because its far away and leaves you personally untouched and unscathed.
Like Daithi contributing to the murder of Irish men women and children from thousands of miles away completly clueless as to the consequences of her actions.

"I know what's got you upset, and don't feel alone because you've got company, it's that what's bad for Iraq is good for you and your pals. What's good for Iraq is bad for you and your pals,"

And its you and only you who is in the unique position to judge this is it?? you know whats good for Iraq and you know what bad for Iraq?? who are you really the GOD or just a GOD??? does your self delusion fool you into thinking yer omnipotent now???

In the space of 5 posts yer views have gone from:

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"Here's the news, buckaroos. We won in Iraq. That war is over and there is no longer a threat of the democratically elected government being run out of town by your vile and thuggish comrades."

TO:

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"because if things go well in Iraq, it will invalidate your position."

Even Gods change their minds it seems so your not really convinced the war in Iraq is won then????

Do you honestly think its wise to post on here with yer obvious intellect disadvantages??

Daithi

I think I have said it all as far as you are concerned there is simply nothing left to add.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/03/2008 11:16:06
70...XX
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Paloma negra,

15/03/2008 14:35:16
#10
Paddi
I think that #8 Donald,Glasgow
... is the one wearing the Burka actually.
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P.K,

15/03/2008 15:33:20
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57Nomad, it seems the jihadi cowards are getting very desperate in so much that they had to kidnap an unarmed Chaldean archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho two weeks ago, whose body was found in a shallow grave in Mosul recently. What a shame! What have the civilian Rahho done? Apparently the blood thirsty terrorists and Islamist cowards are losing support now that they even have demanded the Christians to contribute to the jihad according to a report. They are also attacking the innocent Christians now because they fail to achieve their goals and too very desperate!!!
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P.K,

15/03/2008 15:35:57
57Nomad and Daithi

I admire your patience and manner toward Foul. If I were to have got a response like this from him, I would have also returned back all the *!^%#&@+*. Because of that, I have decided to avoid responding his posts and he might not like exchanging posts with me either. So, it’s better for him and I to ignore each other’s posts for good.
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P.K,

15/03/2008 15:38:16
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No, it's Furchrissake #36, #37.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 15/03/2008 17:01:15
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>"I think I have said it all as far as you are concerned there is simply nothing left to add."

Why, embarrassed yourself enough for one night?

You always argue in circles, you complain that 'I should get on a plane and do something', yet you complain when I DO support a cause, allegedly Irish Republicanism.

You're anger isn't at me, it's at your own impotence.

When I point out that sitting on your hands and doing nothing in the face of Islamic extremists like the Taliban or starvation in Darfur is by far more hateful than anything else, you implode!

Observing your vapid, emotional response, it's clear that I am 100% on target.

I'm glad that I could help you vent your hate, even if it was at me.

I hope that this can be the first step on the road to involvement in the important issues around the world for you, and you can throw away your rationalizations for doing nothing in the face of Islamic extremism and African genocide and find a path to a more useful and fulfilling life.

Good luck!
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57Nomad,

california 15/03/2008 21:40:05
#72 f off

f off said:

"28
"Here's the news, buckaroos. We won in Iraq. That war is over and there is no longer a threat of the democratically elected government being run out of town by your vile and thuggish comrades."
TO:
68"because if things go well in Iraq, it will invalidate your position."

and from this you deduce the following:

"Even Gods change their minds it seems so your not really convinced the war in Iraq is won then????"

This is your conclusion? It can't be. You have seen fit to judge my intellectual capability and follow that up with non sequitur you posted above. One does not follow from the other.

This is the second time in a couple of days you have lifted a line or two out of context and tried to use it to prove a point. So, because you don't seem to learn the first time, like a dull lab rat that can't find its way through the maze, we'll do it again. This is what I said.

"I know what's got you upset, and don't feel alone because you've got company, it's that what's bad for Iraq is good for you and your pals. What's good for Iraq is bad for you and your pals, because if things go well in Iraq, it will invalidate your position. You bet on the wrong horse, Jasper. No wonder you're grumpy. Every one feels grumpy when they lose, why should you be any different."

And so your weak lie is exposed and you are exposed for the fraud you so plainly are. The final line in the paragraph you plucked you quote from is, and I will repeat it as often as I have to, is:

"Every one feels grumpy when they lose, why should you be any different."

Now would you care to show us all where I changed my mind. You can't because I haven't. As for not being good enough to post here, that certainly applies to one of us, but it's not me.

You are a lightweight, junior. You are not nearly smart enough or tough enough to play with the big boys but it's nice to have an extra tackling dummy on the field to knock down and run over when things get d
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57Nomad,

california 15/03/2008 21:41:14
#85 contd.

dull.
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Douglas,

Bathgate 15/03/2008 23:56:21
#2 Scullion: 23 hours on and your comment is/was still the best. :o)
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 25/03/2008 10:54:15
Gothic Rose and Horrible Cankers.

Good morning, mesdames.

Thank God I didn't post too early because I don't like being called a "creep" by GR.

The "learned" clerics in Afghanistan - and I use the term "learned" VERY loosely - should remember this"

Christ Alone Is God and Needs No Prophet.

Especially when that "prophet" is a documented paedophile, polygamist, illiterate, and slightly unhinged.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

03/04/2008 01:43:52
TimW1234 from Ottawa is wrong when he says "Christ Alone Is God and Needs No Prophet."

No she isn't.


 

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