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Published Date: 03 February 2008
FOR most of the year, the race for the presidency has been confusing for both parties: An amorphous cast of candidates seeking to distinguish themselves and win attention from voters, donors and the media.
THE DEMOCRATS OBAMA AND CLINTON

That phase of the campaign ended decisively last week. With the Republican Rudolph Giuliani and Democrat John Edwards withdrawing from the race, the two parties now have what is, in effect, clean, t
wo-way battles for the nomination as they roar towards Tuesday, when more than 20 states will vote.

And rarely has either party witnessed a contest between two such formidable and evenly matched candidates.

In senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, Democrats have two candidates of unusual talent and political dexterity. Their political bases are equally formidable, as is their ability to raise money. They are both celebrity candidates and historical figures – Obama, of Illinois, is seeking to become the first black president, and Clinton, of New York, the first woman – and they have shown a definite capacity to draw a crowd.

In Senator John McCain of Arizona and former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, Republicans have two candidates who are scrappy and nimble campaigners. Both have also had borne the burden of reading their own premature political obituaries this year. But they have yet to inspire the enthusiasm among Republicans that Clinton and Obama have inspired among Democrats.

Whatever their political appeals, they have survived until this week in part because Republican voters found so many other players in the field so flawed.

With the terrain starkly different from the preceding battles, the four are now moving into the unknown territory of what is amounting to a national primary that will test their political dexterity – and their endurance – like nothing has in the campaign so far.

EVEN before last Wednesday morning, the Democrat candidates had been befuddled by the sheer strategic challenge presented by Super Tuesday. As if things were not complicated enough, John Edwards dropped out of the race, forcing the other campaigns to return to the drawing boards.

The Clinton campaign offered a glimpse of how wide it views the playing field by buying airtime in a dozen states for advertisements on the economy. Senator Barack Obama's advisers say he is advertising in 19 states.

Included on the Clinton list is California – the state that is viewed by aides to both candidates as the big battlefield – and New York, Clinton's home state. That decision reflects the strong challenge Obama is making to Clinton there. (By contrast, Clinton has yet to buy any advertising time in Illinois, Obama's home state.)

Obama and Clinton are looking at some of the same states as big targets, particularly California, New Mexico, Missouri and Arizona. Obama is also looking to states that have caucuses rather than primaries – he has tended to do well in caucus states – as well as Kansas, where his mother was born, and Minnesota, a state with a strong anti-war sentiment.

Clinton is looking first to California, New York, New Jersey and Arkansas, and some of her associates suggested she might have a chance in Oklahoma with the withdrawal of Edwards, a former North Carolina senator.

Both sides are moving to assess whether Edwards will make an endorsement, and if so, what impact that might have. Edwards has so far not said what he will do, but aides to Obama and Clinton said they planned to push themes in the days ahead that were directed at supporters of Edwards, who are now in the market for a new candidate.

Clinton will put an emphasis on health care and poverty issues, both of which were central to Edwards' appeal. Obama will emphasise the populist refrain that entered his campaign speeches in the final days of the Iowa competition, and that sounded like an echo of Edwards' appeal.

"At the end of the day, he was a change candidate and we are a change candidate," said David Axelrod, a senior adviser to Obama. One rumour, if true, would put Obama clear – the backing of Al Gore. The extremely influential former vice-president and green champion is said to have been holding talks with the senator, although he has insisted he will not endorse anyone.

Issues

THE economy has overtaken practically every other issue in the Democratic race. The new advertisement titled "Free Fall" is one of two Clinton raised across the country last week to highlight this theme. The campaign itineraries of Clinton and Obama are filled with economic round tables, discussions about the mortgage crisis and job losses. Clinton began zeroing in on the economy first; Obama was first to offer a tax rebate plan designed to stimulate spending.

Yet Obama is suddenly placing a renewed emphasis on his opposition to the Iraq war. Through targeted television commercials, as well as speeches, Obama is seeking to remind voters that Clinton supported the war in Iraq. His big name supporters are joining in, too, with Senator Edward Kennedy raising Iraq in speeches he is making on Obama's behalf.

Health care remains a critical issue, especially with the exit from the race of Edwards, who had made it a top priority. Advisers to Clinton and Obama said that they viewed health care as a strong way to court Edwards' supporters, and that they would be hitting the issue accordingly.

Money

THE Tuesday contests will test the financial resources of Clinton and Obama as never before. They are wrestling with how to pay for big television advertising campaigns, cross-country travel, get-out-the-vote campaigns targeted to the districts, and polling.

The candidates seem evenly matched financially although Obama had some stunning news last week: he had managed to raise a staggering $32m (£16.3m) in January from an ever-increasing donor base, aides said.

Obama's $1m-a-day rate is the largest haul ever by a presidential candidate during a competitive primary.

The outpouring of money will permit Obama to boost staff and extend advertising to states way beyond Tuesday's contests.

"If this ends up going through March and April we think we are going to have the resources necessary to conduct vigorous campaigns in every state to come," said Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe.

Obama and Clinton have been aggressive fundraisers; each raised more than $100m last year.

Yet they are shovelling it out as quickly as they are taking it in.

Clinton's end-of-year finance report showed she raised $26.5m in individual contributions during the last three months of the year. She spent $39.2m during the period and in total had $37.9m left as the year began. Clinton reported an end-of-year debt of nearly $5m.

Obama reported raising $22.8m from October through to December. He spent nearly $41m during that period and ended the year with $18.6m in the bank. He had a $792,681 debt.

THE REPUBLICANSMcCAIN AND ROMNEY

AS OF now, it does not look as if television advertising will be as prominent on the Republican side as on the Democratic.

John McCain is doing something that is very much in character with the way he has run his political life, but that is also a bow to the fact that he does not have the financial resources of Mitt Romney. He is relying on the so-called free media – interviews, news conferences and rallies – to press his message home. There will be some television advertising, his aides have said, but it will be modest.

"We will be communicating to as many voters as possible through the free media," said Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser to McCain.

"We'll be doing some advertising. But this notion – I've heard some reporters say to me today that Romney has a huge resource advantage going into Tuesday's contests – well, the days of his resources being a significant advantage are gone."

McCain is planning to focus most of his resources on the states with big delegate troves: California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Missouri.

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger endorsed McCain for president last week, giving him a major boost. Schwarzenegger praised the Arizona senator and former Vietnam prisoner-of-war as a strong leader with good security credentials who is capable of reaching across the political divide.

Going into Florida, Romney had suggested he would not restrain himself from drawing on his vast personal resources to finance more television advertising.

Romney's aides said the focus now, after his loss in Florida, would be the protracted fight for delegates, while trying to rally conservatives who are suspicious of McCain to his side. Romney's campaign is looking to compete vigorously in California, with its heavy stock of delegates.

Beyond that, Romney is looking to Utah, where his fellow Mormons are concentrated, as well as states holding caucuses or state conventions – such as Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, West Virginia and Minnesota – where a relatively small number of people, who tend to be party activists and more conservative voters, will determine the outcome.

Romney may have a problem with the powerful evangelical vote. His Mormon religion is viewed as a cult by many evangelicals.

One decision that remains up in the air is what to do about the delegate-rich north-eastern states – New York, New Jersey and Connecticut – with their expensive media markets. The Romney campaign is holding out the possibility of spending money there to force McCain to do the same to deplete his cash.

Watch a third Republican candidate, former Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, try to make his mark in his home state, Arkansas, and a fourth, Ron Paul of Texas, to make a big play to win the caucuses in Alaska. If either are left standing at the end of the race, however, there will have to be a seismic shift in the political map of America.

Issues

The race has in recent weeks been something of a tug-of-war between McCain and Romney over whether national security or the economy should be at the top of the voters' agenda. McCain viewed the war as his strongest issue, given his national security background, and Romney claimed the economy, given his background in business.

But one of the most striking findings of the surveys of Republicans voters leaving the polls in Florida is that while they overwhelmingly thought the economy was the toughest issue facing the country, they thought McCain was better qualified to deal with it. Romney is planning to turn his attention to the housing crisis in California; a critical question for his political success is the extent to which he can get voters to view him as the better steward of the economy.

New electoral territory could mean new issues. McCain talked often about climate change in New Hampshire but pulled back from that theme in South Carolina. Environmental concerns could be more prominent in California, and as he appeals to more moderate voters in the north-east. Illegal immigration will inevitably be batted around in California, but the Republicans may want to be careful: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, has expressed his displeasure at his party's tough line over the issue.

Money

McCAIN, whose campaign nearly ran out of cash and ended the year with only $2.9m, has recently been experiencing the financial resurrection he had always predicted would happen once he won a few contests.

Money is beginning to flow in – sometimes $1m a day – since his New Hampshire victory. The campaign has raised so much that it may not accept public financing, as it once said it might be forced to do.

Romney, with a personal fortune estimated at up to $250m, has shown no reluctance to open up his wallet to get him where he is. Donors have given him $45m; he has kicked in $35m of his own money so far.

The two big questions in the week ahead: Will Romney keep going back to his bank account? And will McCain's convincing win in Florida rally the party's contributors behind him? McCain had $12.8m in the bank at the start of the year.



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57Nomad,

california 03/02/2008 07:06:18
Correct me if I'm wrong. I could well be. But it seems to me that every time the Scotsman runs a story about the primaries that they show pictures of Obama and Hilary. What's up with that? There is another party thats running candidates, how 'bout showing Mit or Fred or John or Mike instead of Dumbo and the Ice Maiden all the time?
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donald,

glasgow 03/02/2008 08:32:41
A nation decides (Are we a nation?)
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Reckless,

Fife 03/02/2008 08:43:06
The ice maiden has been chosen, but not by the American people. She is going to become the next US president whether they like it or not. Just look at the dodgy goings on in NH.

This a puppet show, just like our own elections.
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scorchio,

West of the Pecos 03/02/2008 08:46:52
#5 The Scotland on Sunday is doing what the the left wing liberal press are doing Stateside, trying their hardest to get folks to assume that either "Billary" Clinton or the new MLK aka Obama, are walking into the whitehouse.
Just wait 'till it's a Republican versus Democrat contest for president, and watch how the collumn inches are split between the parties.
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Reckless,

Fife 03/02/2008 08:56:05
Look at the recent on-line polls that the Telegraph and Daily Mai ran. They asked which candidate the reader wants to become US President. No mention of Ron Paul, even though he beat that son of a mob boss, Rudy Giuliani. Media bias? No one wants to talk about Ron Paul because he scares them with the unpleasant truth. Moreover, he terrifies the ruling elite because he is exposing their scams and dirty dealings. Find out what the Federal Reserve and Bank of England are about for yourselves. I promise you, you'll be truly shocked and will want to put your savings into gold and silver immediately. Americans still have one advantage over us ensaved Brits: they can still buy guns and ammunition.

This is why you won't hear a positive report about Nigel Farage and UKIP, even though everything they do is above board and exposes the rotten EU for what it really is: a socialist dictatorship. A perfect for the likes of EU President Blair and EU jack boot licking Brown. History tells us that these despotic schemes always end in bloodshed and severe financial suffering. We are only just beginnng to witness the EU's true agenda. Recovering our once free soveriegn nation will require great personal sacrifice.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 03/02/2008 09:24:41
#5 Donald.

No, Scotland is not a nation. It is a vital and proud part of Britain. All original dwellers here are Britons. There is nothing wrong with Scotland (other than midges and the weather) that cannot be rectified by common sense and federal structure; just like the US of A.
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Media 1,

cape town 03/02/2008 09:42:20
Go on Mrs Clinton!
YOU CAN DO EEEEET!
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 03/02/2008 10:11:36
Obama is a Kenyan Luo (50%). His slavery experience, if he has any at all, is Arabic/Muslim. This surely marks him off from Black America; as does his home life and education.

In fact, as he is 50% white, why refer to him as black at all? What ever happened to 'person of colour'? (No, don't reply. We all are persons of some colour or another).
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Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 03/02/2008 10:12:29
I welcome general news of what is afoot in the Americas but why are we being bombarded with every minute detail both in the press and on television?
Are we now the de facto fifty first state of the Union and is there no escape from Americana and the hordes of wannabe American Brits?
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Hunky Dorey,

03/02/2008 11:22:19
# 12 good point! ..... When America sneezes we get the cold.
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57Nomad,

california 03/02/2008 11:39:05
#6 reckless

"The ice maiden has been chosen, but not by the American people. She is going to become the next US president whether they like it or not."

While it may be tempting to think that, it's very improbable. The US is simply to big. I know that Europeans know how big the US is intellectually, but they don't know it experientially. The size mitigates a great deal of shenanigans.

Hilary's power doesn't come as a result of a corrupt system. The American system of self-government is excellent. And for those who scoff, I invite you to review your history.

Here is something you may or may not know. The FBI has extensive dossiers on many people. These files are off limits to nearly everyone. The President has to ask for permission and he'd better have a good reason for it. When the Clinton's got into the White House, they were able, through some shifty business, to have them long enough to read them. Their modus isn't rigging elections, because despite what you may think or hear, that is next to impossible or completely impossible to achieve.

The Clinton's favorite weapon is blackmail. Here is an example. When they first got in trouble over Whitewater, the 1994 national elections were being held. Every two years the entire House of Representatives, and one third of the Senate stand for election, or reelection as the case may be.
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57Nomad,

california 03/02/2008 11:40:20
#14 contd.

The Republicans took both houses of Congress. Then a little less than five years later, President Clinton was about to be impeached for lying to a Federal prosecutor, a very serious felony. The House of Representatives is where the impeachment takes place. If the President is impeached he must then stand trial in the Senate. At that time congressman Robert Livingston, a fierce opponent of the President, was about to be elevated to be the new Speaker of the House, a very, very powerful position. Livingston was expected to push the impeachment with vigor.

Then a very strange thing happened. Congressman Livingston removed himself from consideration for the Speakership and then shortly thereafter retired from the House all together. What happened. He was blackmailed. He was given this choice get out of government or face disclosure of embarrassing details of his private life. Where did these details come from? The story was circulated that the immanent exposure of a extra marital affairs were the reason. This is very unlikely because if that became precedent that having an affair disqualified you from a seat in the House, the House would only have about five or six guys in it.

Most believed, and still do that he was threatened with the exposure of details that could only be found in his FBI dossier. This is most likely what happened. Even looking at those dossiers is illegal, threatening someone with exposing the contents of them is even worse. But there is little doubt that that is what happened. In case you are curious, the FBI must run a thorough investigation of Congressmen and Senators because they are routinely privy to highly classified information. No one is supposed to see them but there is persistent speculation that the Clintons used information from files that they were forbidden to see, let alone using the information to blackmail an elected official.

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57Nomad,

california 03/02/2008 11:41:51
#15 contd.

To sum up, it is impossible for any clique, no matter how clever to fix the election by subverting the system. You can't get the Presidency that way, but you can get enough delegates to influence the nomination of the candidate.

As for rigged elections via subverting the electoral process. Every voting place has poll watchers from all the the candidates standing for election and these poll watchers are very diligent and not connected with the government in any way. The poll watchers are private citizens and are itching for someone to come along and try to apply some monkey business so that they can pummel, pour hot coffee on, slash the tires, buggy whip sock in the jaw, or other assorted methods of mayhem for trying to subvert the system.

Since polling places are located in garages of private homes, church halls, etc. It is a neighborhood deal and anyone who tried to mess around would soon be surrounded by every man and not a few of the women, while the local teenagers were heating up the tar and plucking feathers. While this may seem ridiculously naive to others it is very effective and keeps elections clean despite what you might hear. George Bush won Florida in 2002 and he won Ohio in 2006.

We are not a bunch of ignorant peasants ready to get the wool pulled over our eyes. We have been doing this for four hundred years and we are very serious about it. Hilary may be able to influence the primaries, but she nor anyone else can fix the national elections. Too big a country, too many eyes following each and every vote, too many sharp tounged ladies of a certain age who are fearless keeping an eye on things. We are not ruled by an invisible cabal of multinational neo-cons or anyone else. We are free men and we are armed and there are few Americans indeed who would hesitate to ventilate anyone trying to pull a stunt like that.
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Em,

03/02/2008 14:07:11
#16 57Nomad

I'm sorry to tell you but vote fixing can and does happen and it doesn't matter how many people you have standing guard at polling places.

Electronic voting machines can and have been shown to have software programs written into them that allows the vote to be swung towards a desired outcome.

When you stop to consider that almost half the population will use these voting machines you realise how easy it is to fix an election.

below is a link to a website containing an interview of Clinton Curtis, a computer programer who swore under oath that he was contracted to design software that would fix a vote for a desired outcome.

http://www.lionsgrip.com/voting2004curtisinterview.html



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Aoda,

Pennsylvania Wilds 03/02/2008 14:26:42
#57 Nomad, They show who they are pushing for president. Obama is there just to show they are fair and balanced. When they do show pictures of their opposition it is not a good shot unless it can't be helped.

#10 Media 1, You say go Clinton. Why?

Thety are many ways to fix an election. Vote fraud is but one. The media favoring one candidate instead of reporting facts is another. Showing lots of good pictures of one and few and bad pictures is another.
You can have vote fixing but intimidation, peer pressure, and other suttle and direct ways. Scare tactice is a very popular one. That is true in all countries that elect their leaders. It is up to the voter to become informed and not be intimidated. As for electrical voting mchines. They run on software. Software cand be designed to do what you want it to do. I prefer the paper ballots and chads was a scam.
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Em,

03/02/2008 14:50:44
#8 Reckless

You are so right, the reason Ron Paul never gets a mention is because he is committed to shutting down the federal reserve and ensuring that an audit is done on the gold in fort knox (that is if there is any gold left)

Americans with any sense understand that these two things must be done, all other candidates who do not consider them priority are as you said merely puppets who are given position because their purpose is only to guarentee monopoly for the federal reserve (private bankers) allowing them to create money out of nothing while fooling citizens into believing that it is actually worth something.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 03/02/2008 15:43:48
Ron Paul is the candidate of interest. The mass media basically ignores him, they've given each Huckabee, McCain, Romney, guiliani & Thompson many times the exposures as Paul gets. however, paul has won 2'nd in several states and has almost always beaten Guiliani & thompson. Paul is the people's candidate.

Paul would bring all the troops home from all foreign countries, he would reduce defense spending from about 800 billion to 200 billion. He'd eliminate the federal reserve. from these changes he could easily eliminate personal income taxes & other taxes as well. He'd let young people opt out of the social security program & tax. he'd let non-violent drug offenders out of jail.

Paul would follow the US constitution & the rule of law.
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SouthernGent,

03/02/2008 17:03:57
The truly scary aspect of the voting system is that anyone over 18 is allowed to vote. In all societies, sometimes through no fault of their own, we have individuals that are illiterate, uneducated and some plain stupid. They all get to vote. Its hard enough deciding who to vote for when you research each candidate on their individual merits, yet too many people vote with no clue. Scary.
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Rita,

Warren 03/02/2008 17:38:01
I believe all decisions were made months ago, the "candidates " are simply playing along and reading from the scripts they were given, "WE" the poor public are just being played with, it is not required that we be inteligent, just go along with all the garbage
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Media 1,

cape town 03/02/2008 17:42:36
Time for change;Ready for change!
What does that mean? What is the message behind such phrases?
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57Nomad,

california 03/02/2008 17:43:19
#18 EM

First let me thank you for the thoughtful and gentlemanly tone of your post.

May I address some of your points? While it is true that many municipalities may use the electronic voting machines, the chance of them being tampered with is exceedingly small. Furthermore, this is what Mr. Curtis himself said:

""If you inspect the code, you will see it," he states. "Once the vote is flipped, you will not. Once it flips those, the other number is permanently gone. There's not receipt, there's no trace, there's no track."

Here he is referring to the actual vote count, not the software itself. And, although, the tally may be permanently lost, a dubious claim that has not been substantiated, the enabling software is not. It is still there and is easily detectable by software engineers.

There is also the fact that Mr. Curtis is not a disinterested citizen blowing a whistle. He is a partisan Democrat who filed to run against Tom Feeney, the congressman against whom Curtis made his allegations.

He is not taken seriously by most Democrats, his champions in congress being Jerome Nadler and Maxine Watters, Fidel Castro's champion in congress. The irony of this statement did not escape notice. Here she, Watters, accuses people of tampering with elections while being a die-hard supporter of a Dictator who would have her shot were she a Cuban citizen making similar charges.

Here is a portion of an interview with Mr. Curtis on the Truthfire web site. Truthfire is an extreme left wing organization with an extreme left wing agenda. Now, Mr. Curtis:

"If the Democrats ever want to win again, they need to change," he says. "You've got to get rid of the machines and replace [them] with verifiable source code that only counts votes." This way, he says, you can "get a standard, clean vote."

Here he clearly advocating for the Democrats. His testimony, given before a panel that froze out any Republicans, lacks credibility. But that's not the main issue w
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57Nomad,

03/02/2008 17:47:59
#25 contd.

But that's not the main issue with his thesis. It is this, and for those not acquainted with American politics, laughable assumption. He is assuming that paper ballots prevent manipulation because of various reasons.

In 1960 JFK defeated Richard Nixon by the narrowest of margins. By advocating a return to older methods to insure a Democratic victory, the alternate interpretation of that statement is quite funny. The votes that gave Kennedy the victory came from Cook County,Illinois. The city of Chicago is in cook county. The mayor of that city was a gentleman named Richard J. Daley. It illustrates why paper ballots are no less prone to manipulation than electronic ballots. There is little doubt that Mayor Daley stuffed the ballot boxes, giving Kennedy the state of Illinois and the election. Methods included multiple votes by single individuals and registering and counting the votes of dubious voters. Dubious because many of them had been dead for decades. So when Curtis says if the Democrats want to win again, they've got to back to older methods one has to chuckle.

A few weeks before the 2004 Presidential elections, Americas most famous newsman on the most respected of network, CBS, displayed papers that he said proved that George Bush had ducked his duties in the Air National Guard. He very unwisely displayed them in a way that they were easily readable by the viewers. Before he finished his story, while he was still on the air an alert bloger recognized the papers as the product of a computer driven word processing machine and posted it on his blog. Within minutes, every person with access to the Internet had the information.

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57Nomad,

california 03/02/2008 17:49:16
#27 contd.

That is why I caution you not to view the American public as a bunch of easily fooled yokels in the thrall of some slick operators. That is a view that satisfies the emotional cravings of some, but, it isn't true. If there is a deliberate attempt to rig the elections by rigging the software it will be quickly discovered.

Because voting is a human activity, any voting protocol will be subject to human foibles. But massive rigging of a national election isn't likely.

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GeauxGeauxGirl,

New Orleans, LA USA 03/02/2008 17:56:10
#11 Rulesbutnotrulers:
You have much to learn about race relations in the US. Obama is 1/2 black and 1/2 white. That is true on paper. But the reality is when America looks at him they see a handsome, intelligent, energatic, inspiring BLACK man. As he has spent most of his life within the US, he was subject to the same treatment as any other black man. He, himself, has pointed out that on the streets of New York empty taxis past him by. Just like any other black man.

Having said all of that, I am disappointed that you have read so little about the phenomenon that is taking place in America. Obamas supporters come from every walk of life, religion, race, class, gender, education and political affiliation.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. Do not reduce this to a matter of race and background. There are too many of us who believe that we can rise above such pettiness. We have replaced apathy and cynicism with HOPE.
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57Nomad,

california 03/02/2008 18:06:37
#26 thewittnes

tw said this:

In the October, 2006 issue of Rolling Stone, Bobby Kennedy Jr. produces a whistle-blower, computer programmer Christopher Hood, who fingers Zionist Bob Urosevich of Diebold with helping fix a Georgia election via crooked software.

Urosevich at Diebold, and his brother at ES & S, control over 80% of the computerized vote “count” in the USA."



If you read the Rolling Stone interview you will see why no one takes Hood seriously, e.g.,"At a restaurant inside Atlanta's Marriott Hotel, he noticed the firm's CEO, Walden O'Dell, checking Diebold's stock price on a laptop computer every five minutes, waiting for a bounce from the announcement."

Excuse me? He could see the screen of a lap top from wherever it was that he was sitting? That's interesting. Mr. Cook must have Super Vision to do that. Laptop monitors are hard to view from any place except from where the user is. To read the print from say, ten feet away, is impossible. He also purports to be a mind reader, clearly divining the thoughts of the man he was spying on. How does he know what anyone is thinking?

If there was a shred of evidence of foul play, congressmen, senators, and those in the media hungry for scandal would be shouting it from the rooftops.
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03/02/2008 18:20:12
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Media 1,

Geuax Geaux Girl 03/02/2008 18:20:20
You cannot demand that other people dont turn the campaign trail into a race related one, when the candidate himself has already made it one.
The Hillary vs Obama presidency race is shrouded in racially motivated undertones. Take Oprah Whinfrey, a woman who has achieved huge success on the back of the technology that white America worked tirelessy to achieve. She is a known feminist, yet she chooses to overlook Hillary in favour of Obama because he is black.
And you know what? I agree with her, why the hell shouldnt she back Obama? People of similar cultures tend to stick together, its always been like that!
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03/02/2008 18:55:33
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henrymanchester,

UK 03/02/2008 19:58:51
Hildog will probably win. Thats my prediction.
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57Nomad,

california 03/02/2008 20:12:35
#34 tw

tw said:

"The senators do complain, and what happens?
5 letters, AIPAC!!
Washington DC, Israeli Occupied Territory."

I'm not sure I follow you. Look, I'm not trying to be flippant. Will you please elaborate?

I followed the link. I saw a tiny group of demonstrators shouting slogans. It's ok with me that they're doing that but I'm not sure of it's relevance to the electronic voting machines.

As far as the senators go, you're likely to find that a dry well. Just a sec. I'm gonna check and find out. BRB
Okay, I'm back. There are 100 senators. There are 10
senators with a net worth or 100,000 dollars or less. There are 40 millionaires, at least. The figures are conservative, that's not my opinion it's from the story that I got these figures from, CNN.com.

Also, the Senators serve for six years and consequently have to raise campaign money much less often than the congressmen all of whom must run every two years. Financial hanky panky is more likely in the House of Representatives, e.g. Abscam.

None of this supports the notion of an invisible clique of Jews pulling the strings of a puppet America. These notions are often perpetuated by those who have, in one way or another, failed in life. Having done so they seek a source outside of their own behavior for their ill fortune and fall prey to the all too human propensity of scapegoating. Jew provide a convenient target.

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57Nomad,

california 04/02/2008 10:48:41
#38 tw

tw said:

"As for your worn out attempt to label me as some kind of anti-semite, change the record!"

I've got a better idea, twinkie. Search the record and point out to every one where I called you an anti-semite.

I was talking about scapegoating. I didn't say a word about anti-semitism. But I can tell you this. Had I said it, and you told me to stop, I'd keep doing it just on general principles.

TW, I'm not calling you an anti-semite. That would be an insult to all anti-semites up and down the length and breadth of this great country of ours.

I think the term I would use for you is "Retarded Dweeb"
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california 04/02/2008 10:52:27
#38 tw.

tw said:


'"They were not shouting, they were Jewish folks protesting Zionism and emphasising the point that Zionism does not represent Torah jews and it's BAD news for America."

They weren't shouting?? Are you talking about the hand full of people on the sidewalk? Because if you are, you can plainly hear them shouting.
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california 04/02/2008 11:03:35
#32 tw

tw said:



" #27 Nomad
Please allow me to hit the nail on your head so that we don't have to read anymore of your rambling, boring "thesis"."

This is rich. First of all I couldn't care less whether you read my posts or not. It's no surprise that they bore you, there's no pictures by the words.

I was especially amused by this: "#32 tw

tw said:



" #27 Nomad
Please allow me to hit the nail on your head"

If you are going to attempt a bold move like that, you've gotta prepare. Most important, little fella, make sure you bring a step ladder so that you can reach my head. I'll stand there and wait for you. After you make the long climb, I'm going to take your hammer out of your skeevy little fingers and stuff in a place that will require you to seek the services of a proctologist to retrieve it for you.

As for boring, you are strictly a one note sonata. If you've seen any of your silly scribbling, you've seen 'em all. You are the most thoughtless of all the regular posters here.
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