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'Platitudes' prompt backlash fears



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Published Date: 12 October 2008
FEARS were growing last night of a fresh market backlash tomorrow against Friday's deal between the G7 countries as analysts warned that it contained little but "platitudes".
Finance ministers from the seven nations agreed on Friday to take "decisive action" to prevent the worst case scenario of a wholesale nationalisation of the world's major banks.

But financial experts said last night that the deal lacked enough detail, amid warnings that the other nations – including Germany, France and Japan – were failing to follow Britain's lead in offering firm backing for the banks.

US president George Bush interrupted the talks yesterday, which were taking place at the White House, arguing that governments "must ensure the actions of one country do not contradict or undermine the actions of another". He added: "In an interconnected world, no nation will gain by driving down the fortunes of another. We are in this together. We will come through it together."

Bush was speaking after his Treasury secretary Henry Paulson unveiled plans to buy stakes in American banks, a move seen as a key step to ensuring their survival.

But none of the G7 finance ministers said they would be endorsing the British plan to guarantee lending between banks as a way of getting credit to flow again. The refusal of banks to loan to one another – for fear they will never get their money back – is at the heart of the credit crunch.

Despite the initial warm words from the G7, analysts yesterday said they were unimpressed with the lack of detail.

Justin Urquhart Stewart of Seven Investment Management said: "Warm platitudes don't make a market.

"It's very nice of them to come up with broad generalisations of things we already know, but that doesn't solve the immediate issue. The immediate issue is the banking crisis. The way to go about it is to look at the issues. The banking system relies on trust and confidence."

Other countries needed to follow the British plan, he said. "We've lit the touch paper, we can hear the fuse going, but we can't quite see if the dynamite is too wet or if there is enough of it. We must fix the banking system. If the banking system doesn't work then capitalism doesn't work."

David Buick, of Cantor Index, added: "The situation has become pretty desperate. What we really need to see is how unanimous they are on certain things. This is no time for negative thought; these bail-outs have to happen."

Similar doubts surrounding the meeting of EU leaders last weekend, when no firm agreements were reached, led to an plunge in the markets on Monday. The falls in the course of a week wiped £2.7 trillion off the value of global shares.

Gordon Brown will travel to Paris for crisis talks today as EU leaders consider how to react to deepening global financial turmoil. Amid signs that eurozone countries are moving towards a British-style rescue plan for banks, the Prime Minister will meet French president Nicolas Sarkozy and other senior figures.

Sarkozy has called an emergency summit of the 15 states signed up to the single currency today – despite the fact that EU leaders are already due to gather in Brussels on Wednesday.

The five-point plan signed by the G7 commits the countries to protect major banks and prevent their failure. They also committed to working to get credit flowing more freely again, support the efforts of banks to raise money from both public and private sources, safeguard bank depositors and revive the battered mortgage financing market.

Aside from the details on bank stock purchases that Paulson offered, the finance officials did not provide specifics beyond their five-point action plan in a one-page statement.

In the US, economists were unconvinced the plan would stop a further run on shares. "The markets will wait and see whether all of these policy steps will make a difference," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com.

"Investors are panicked. They are not going to stop selling until they are convinced that these steps will work."

In his address yesterday, Bush sought to reassure Americans. "We are a prosperous nation with immense resources and a wide range of tools at our disposal," he said. "We can solve this crisis and we will."

Five point plan

The G7 has agreed on five emergency measures to rescue the world's financial institutions:

1 Take decisive action and use all available tools to support important financial institutions and prevent their failure

2 Take all steps to unfreeze credit and money markets

3 Ensure banks can raise capital via public and private sources

4 Ensure national deposit guarantee programmes are robust

5 Take action, where appropriate, to restart the "secondary markets" for mortgages and other assets

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  • Last Updated: 12 October 2008 12:28 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Credit Crunch
 
1

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 12/10/2008 06:54:18
The G7 does not represent all the 'rich' nations, so it can hardly claim to be the forum the world needs right now. Rearranging deck chairs, or what?
2

UrbanFox,

12/10/2008 07:59:46
Classic self-serving French.
3

albanman,

12/10/2008 08:46:10
#2 UrbanFox. You do speak a load of c*ap. France holds the EU presidency at the moment,and it's Mr Sarkozy's responsibility to call such a meeting. Of course, if you are referring to the French reluctance to bail out banks, neither Germany nor Japan are doing so either - but you say nothing abnout them, do you? It's your kind of narrowmindeness that causes problems in society.
4

Vivas,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 09:49:50
The market spivs and speculators are judging the best the world has to offer in terms of economic leadership...and finding it wanting on an hourly basis.

The Gordon Gecko's of this world may be pond life but one can't fault their primeval instinct for detecting and exploiting weakness where they see it.
5

KWC,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 09:56:20
Why should we worry? Gordon is going to sort them out by getting them all to agree to his plan. Has he ignored the fact that many countries (e.g. Germany, France) don't have the same problems havinghad the sense to limit borrowing on mortgages, for example? What arrogance.

I'm beginning to think he deliberately created the problems just to show his recovery plan. Heaven help us.
6

Just_Me,

12/10/2008 10:05:09
"But financial experts said last night that the deal lacked enough detail, amid warnings that the other nations – including Germany, France and Japan – were failing to follow Britain's lead in offering firm backing for the banks."

Britains lead, yeah right! It seems to me the irish were actually the leaders here, and the so far seemingly successful ones too!!!
7

Pocket Dictionary,

12/10/2008 10:19:49
they missed the sixth point out - invade Iceland!
8

fritigern,

Inverness 12/10/2008 11:17:51
Just why should Europeans take any notice of Brown? It is under his stewardship that all the present problems started. He refused to regulate his spiv friends in the City. He refused to tax them fairly, preferring to increase taxes on the poorest taxpayers. Now he wants to bail them out with taxpayers' money but, unlike the opposition parties, does not want to prevent his rich friends getting their,clearly unearned, bonuses. Earlier this year it was revealed that the crooks in the City had walked away with £13 billion in so-called bonuses. Why not start the bail-out with seizing that money? Of course the problems need sorting out, but then should come the reckoning for the crooks, spivs and gamblers in the City of London. In International Law there is "crimes against humanity", which would seem an appropriate charge for the indictment. Rather than waste money keeping those found guilty in an open prison, force them to live on minimum benefits in a council estate in London or Glasgow.
9

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 11:21:11
5 KWC
"Has he ignored the fact that many countries (e.g. Germany, France) don't have the same problems havinghad the sense to limit borrowing on mortgages, for example? What arrogance"

Did you look at what happened in the markets on Friday. The CAC indes in Paris and the DAX index in Frankfurt took an even bigger hammering than the FTSE in London. Quite clearly, France and Germany have problems as well. A German bank/insurance group had to be bailed out a couple of weeks ago.
10

John S,

12/10/2008 11:43:10
"Off Topic"
Gordon Brown's eyesight is causing concern among aides
Insiders also revealed that Mr Brown's memos are in huge print and triple spaced while his own handwriting is getting larger. One senior official said: "If I want him to reply to an email, I always make sure it's in at least 36 point." That is five times as large as standard print size.
There is mounting anecdotal evidence that Mr Brown is battling a serious disability. As this newspaper revealed last month, the Prime Minister has been daubing black ink all over the Commons' dispatch box during Prime Ministers' Questions.
Telegraph 12 Oct 2008 http://tinyurl.com/3ofbyf
The above was sad to read
11

whomthegodswishtodestroytheyfirstmakemad,

12/10/2008 12:44:12
I see "Smeato" has taken ill on the eve of the Glasgow airport Trial hmmmm could it be that the wheels have fallen off that particular bogie.
12

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/10/2008 13:07:06
George W. "Numptie" BabyBush is a liar, ignoramus, and incompetent.

Boy, has the US of A fallen from grace. Now they depend on the rest of the world to save them from a recession and possible depression because of the stoooopid actions of BabyBush and his equally stoooopid Cabinet.

Even Canada is lending money to the US of A.

As I have said before, this odious man will go down in the history books as THE WORST President ever and his numbnuts financial policies have almost bankrupted the once invincible and mighty US of A.

I feel for those Americans who have lost their homes and savings because of his policies and what does he care?

He is a spoiled rich kid with no marketable skills except to spout utter rubbish and he must be a bitter disappointment to his parents.
13

Scotish Exile,

12/10/2008 13:47:36
Let the Financial Institutions themeslves sort out this sorry mess. They are the culprits of the biggest pyramid selling scam the world has ever seen and they want us, the tax payer to bail them out, no way! Why is it that people who can afford to pay their mortgages can bring the world to its knees?? It is because the financial institutions re-package and sell on the same debt over and over again, pyramid selling, pure and simple, and here's me thought that it was illegal!
14

snoozyowl,

Wales 12/10/2008 14:07:47
One thing you can 'bank' on is that the French will arrange any outcome to favour themselves. That is what they do supremely well. It also means in most cases that it does not favour the UK.
15

whomthegodswishtodestroytheyfirstmakemad,

12/10/2008 14:29:36
#13 You are absolutely spot on in your assessment. The banking system is a pyramid scam. Like all "Good" pyramid schemes it can work as long as everyone does not try to withdraw all their money at the same time,cause in reality there isnt enough to go round. Everything has been based on a "promise to pay".
Thankfully we still have tangible real assets like gold which .....what do ya mean......he did what ???
16

Mcsnagpile,

12/10/2008 15:38:12
This is not a stock crash or bank rout—it is the start of the new world order. Remember 1987 and the fall of the Berlin wall and the Soviet Block. What is to fall this time?? If you can answer this best kept secret, I will give up my HBOS stocks. A new politics is on the way called Feudalism.
Reserve yer armour and yer bit o grun com’oan world here a come.
17

Marian,

12/10/2008 15:43:02
According to the Guido Fawkes Website Gordon Brown thinks that the UK financial crisis will give him his “Falklands War moment”, by this he appears to think his performance in dealing with the crisis will be seen by voters as being similar to Mrs Thatchers and will give him the “bounce” to win voter support and perhaps call a snap general election. However a far more appropriate “Falklands war moment” for Gordon Brown would be if he took full responsibility for “falling asleep on his watch” and resigned honorably as Lord Carrington did.
18

UrbanFox,

12/10/2008 15:56:15
#14 " One thing you can 'bank' on is that the French will arrange any outcome to favour themselves. That is what they do supremely well. "

Exactly.

#3 I suggest you take your narrowminded head out the sand.
19

Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 16:34:44
# 17, Ahh this will be Lord Carrington of the Bildeberg Group!

#16 You are not too far off the mark here..

What sickened me was when I read about the 1914/18 War where one of the rich Elites's family, backed both the UK and Germany to win.. clue, Starts with an R ends with a D.
These people are the power behind the power,
Not the numptie's 'leading' the Governments.

Note the US has now ordered a US Army Battallion to
the North of the country, Why? to quell any dissent.
Large 'compounds' are being built to house dissenters,
notwithstanding hundred's of thousands of plastic 'coffin like' containers being shipped to
the various compounds.

Wake up sheeple.
20

Kipling,

12/10/2008 16:47:08
I see the malodorous simplification of the English language by newspapers such as the Daily *m**l and Daily *x-press have reached the shores of bonny Scotland:

Vivas,Edinburgh 12/10/2008 09:49:50
The market spivs and speculators ...

fritigern,Inverness
He refused to regulate his spiv friends in the City... reckoning for the crooks, spivs and gamblers in the City of London...

First line detection of such propagandist language is to ask yourself whether it was used before. The answer is neither of these news organs made any reference to the word 'spiv'. So much for their hindsight as opposed to hind-sight.

Another word you've got to look out for is 'respected'. For opinions newspapers want to push, particularly the first one above, the source of that information is always a 'respected' one.

This is not to say I don't agree with the above posters. The only person I know in banking is involved in circumstantially or a literal party to theft and fraud. I suspect what happens at the bottom is magnified a thousand times in the higher ranks.
21

Rebel,

S. Carolina USA 12/10/2008 23:12:42
I am glad to see there are some who are aware of the unholy scam being perpetrated against Scotland's citizens by the incestuous government/banking gang. Churchill had it right on his visit to the US, when upon seeing the use of paper money, (Britain still used gold money), he proclaimed it "a thoroughly barbaric practice". Ironic how global governments have lifted that phrase to brainwash populations into believing Gold is a " barbarous relic". Same as their theft of trillions from peoples who desperately need it
for such "luxuries" as food for their families and heat for their homes. No wonder the elitists from governments are building underground cities, (with taxpayer money, of course), complete with years of food, their own water supplies - Bush's mega-milllion dollar stone house with a vast underground cistern to store water is one - and complex air filtration systems. A return to a feudal society, perhaps?
22

georgia,

somewhere outside the great city of chicago 13/10/2008 14:51:42
Everyone needs to read "None Dare Call It Conspiracy," which is a book published in 1971 telling about Insiders' plans for a central world bank - does the name Paul Wolfowitz come to mind? Does the name Ben Shalom Bernanke come to mind? Do the names George W. Bush/Dick Cheney/Karl Rove/William Kristol/Rothschild/Rockefeller, etc. come to mind? This hasn't been just a week or two in the making. We have been heading down this way a long time, led by that fearless ol' Chimp cheerleader, Dubya, who told us as recently as a couple of months ago that "home ownership" was one of the crowning achievements of his presidency. (Clowning achievement, more like....)

The one thing about a cheerleader, once the game is over, no one blames him if the team loses. He can look engaged without really being involved in the winning of the game, and when all is said and done, he can pat himself on the back for having done his best to rah-rah the team on, then slink away in ignominy. Unfortunately for Bush, he isn't going to get away that easily once he leaves office (unless, maybe, like the Enron man, he can fake his own death and live on those 20,000+ acres of Hawaiian island real estate he very curiously and uncharacteristically set apart as a national wildlife refuge a couple of years ago....)
23

georgia,

somewhere outside chicago 13/10/2008 14:58:19
#12 Maybe George Herbert Walker Bush isn't very proud of his son Dubya (I think he knows his other children are smarter), but Dub's mom is still in his corner. When George's brother Neil was found guilty of cheating people out of millions in the failed Savings & Loan Scandal of the '80s, the First Mother said the public was after her poor "Nielsie." Greater love than that no mama hath.. than to call her 40+ year old son "Nielsie" when he had just bilked hard-working people out of their life savings. (He did get a $50,000 fine, though, which I guarantee you was paid for him, by passing the hat at one of his friends' houses, no doubt, with the spare change they found in their pockets at the time.) Now Neil is actually doing quite well, manufacturing test kits for his brother's "No Child Left Behind" educational fraud-scheme; in fact, he has exclusive rights to these materials. Not a bad rebound, but then all of Barbara's children are "survivors," aren't they? And if they're not, she makes sure there's hell to pay!!!!

 

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