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Town bans drink sales to under-21s



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Published Date: 29 March 2008
A SMALL Scottish town last night became the first in the country to ban alcohol sales to under-21s in a bid to clamp down on antisocial behaviour.
Every off-licence in Armadale, West Lothian, has signed up for a six-week pilot scheme, which will run between 5pm and 10pm on Friday and Saturday nights.

But the move has been attacked by the grocery industry and alcohol campaigners, who called
instead for better enforcement of existing legislation.

The six-week scheme has been developed by Lothian and Borders Police, West Lothian Council and the 11 shops which sell alcohol in the town. Retailers have agreed to ask for identification from customers who appear to be aged 25 and under.

Constable Phillip McIntosh of the Safer Neighbourhoods team, said: "Youth disorder is often linked to alcohol, and Armadale is no different to any other town in Scotland.

"Our intention is not only to limit under-age access to alcohol but to educate those who may have been involved in supplying alcohol to children.

"But Colin Landsburgh, president of the Scottish Grocers Foundation, called instead for a national proof-of-age card to be used by people who want to buy products with age restrictions.

He said: "Rather than launching voluntary bans in pockets across the country, I would like more robust enforcement of the current legislation.

" In Cleveland (in the north of England] where a similar ban was introduced, the initiative was supported by an increase in police presence which I would suggest contributed significantly to its success."

Mr Landsburgh added that an effective ban would need to involve pubs and clubs as well as shops and claimed "responsible retailers" already asked for proof of age.

Jack Law, chief executive of Alcohol Focus Scotland, the national charity for alcohol-related issues, said:

"We want to see much tougher enforcement of current laws, with stricter penalties including loss of licence for those selling to under 18s.

"At the end of the six-week trial in Armadale, the council plans to assess the results before deciding whether or not to roll it out across the area.





The full article contains 361 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 28 March 2008 10:18 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 00:15:11
D'oh! just get your 22year old pals, to purchase the booze!

Thick or what,?

Even the 17year old's, ask their slightly older piers to purchase the "booze" for them!

Its, 'Teen' culture! and happens all the time!

Ignorance at its best! and wont solve anything!

Its about time the, 'Red Tapers' got,..'REAL' and see the truth about our,..'REAL-WORLD'!
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 00:19:19
If I was under 21 again, I would obtain all the booze I could!
Just to defy this stupid madness!

'LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION'!!..'Amigo's'.. :-DD
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 00:31:13
if you don't vote you can't complain
'f' that line of 'sh' because it won't change
any thing other than superficially
i'm not willing to accept what rights and change some

they are not theirs to 'f'n give
and anything given can be taken away

this whole system needs to be burned to the ground
and it's not going to happen from working within
voting is just a feeling of affecting change
it provides answers but to all of the wrong questions

it gives us a fals sence of accomplishment
and diverts energy from real issues

state sanctioned change is nothing more than double speak
when it promises to give , to who have been taken from the most
your fooling yourself if you believe
you will recieve anything substantial in return

thinking that voting gives you a voice
is a sad excuse for real action
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 00:32:11
'LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION'!!..'Amigo's'.. :-DD
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 01:54:42
And here is the,..'Real Life Scenario'


Jane and Anne are..'Work Mates'

Jane, being only 20years old, asks Anne (25) on a Friday..'Lunch Break',

"Anne, Can you purchase for me, at the Local Supermarket, 2 Bottles of Wine, and a bottle of Vodka!, when you go out for your Lunch,?"

Anne's Reply!

"Certainly Jane!, just give me the Money"!

Anne goes out shopping!

Anne returns!

Here Jane I got your, wine and Vodka! and here is your change!

Jane replies!,,

Thanks..'Honey', I will have a good night later!
6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 01:56:19
TO SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND,?... D'oh!
7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 02:13:32
"Small Town",?..'Small Minded'!
8

Vincent-W,

29/03/2008 06:58:31
As a pilot - the effects should be assessed carefully.

Chas - if it reduces the problem by 10% it then it's more effective than your inane rants and could be adopted as one tool in the culture change required. I take it you think that it's only people (like you) who live in big towns that have the necessary intellect and vision.
9

an interested party,

29/03/2008 08:00:19
ban this ban that, misses the point a bit

i see that drugs are never used in scotland simply becuase they are illegal.

raise the drinking age to 105 and you still haven't begun to address the problem of youth drinking

sounds SO good and effective
awards should be given to the designers of this idea
10

Boy Wonder,

29/03/2008 08:26:02
Nanning things never solves any problem. I mean look at Chuckles Linskaill. Ban him ... and he'll just find another way to get on the thread.

As the old proverb says ... where there's a will ...
11

albanman,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 08:59:02
Boy Wonder: you're dead right about nanning and Linksaill. Judging from the time of his posts, he'd probably just rolled in from a long day & night at the pub :)
12

Mcsnagpile,

29/03/2008 09:13:44

All that is required is a packet of yeast and sugar to make alcohol. Easy Peasy. I make most of my own wine at home for less than 70 Pence a bottle. It is a lot better and cheaper than supermarket plonk and has pure known ingredients. When there is enough to take a bath with stored in the garage, somehow it loses its novelty.
Youngsters are being conned into thinking that alcohol has some sort of adult social value; and is an excuse to behave badly. We have the frequent excuses like I had twenty pints of beer when I raped her or I can only play the piano with my feet after a bottle of whisky. It wisnae me it wis the ten bottles o’ buckie.---- Naw it wis the ten broken bottles in yer heed.

If I bought a still could possibly make enough ethanol to run my car for half price. It wisnae me it wis the car it had drunk a gallon o ethanol.
13

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 29/03/2008 09:29:35
The likes of Linskaill are clearly part of the problem judging by his inane rants.
This seem to be a good start and is addressing the people who cause the problem.
Prevention has to be better than cure.
14

Klaus Dubois,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 10:51:17
Selling booze to under 18s is illegal; if you can't enforce that one, why will this make any difference ????

PS could the Scotsman provide a Linksaill filter ?
15

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 11:04:22
So the 'TRUTH', is unwelcome, #11 I don't do Pubs! No interest at app £3.00 for a coke or a Larger.


Ladies and Gentlemen, Again!, 'NOT RANTS' only truisms and if People have a Problem with that, that is their Problem!

The "Scenario" IS well known fact! Don't be Jealous that I know this age group, maybe unlike you lot,...'HUH',?
16

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 11:33:42
nabodican @#13,

"This seem to be a good start"

Dont Kid youself, it is a Total,,..'NON START'!!!

And the young ones know it!

Thhey WILL still get the Booze!
17

HarderTruth,

29/03/2008 13:45:08
To those who think this might be a good idea;
No it is not. It is a local council effectively curtailing the legal rights of adults. Persons of 20 years old can fight in Iraq, die for their country, marry, have kids, earn their way through the world. To arbitrarily restrict their rights to buy property is quite probably unlawful. Why not just let councils ban all alcohol or shoot drunks, or allow police to kill yobs? Perhaps because there is suppposedly a rule of law. We now live in a country where a 12 years old can obtain contraceptives without parental consent but a 20 year old may not buy a tin of beer. And you think this is good? Then you are devoid of sense. Why not ban any group in society, some of who's habits might not meet Morningside morals? It is cretinous thinking like this that allows fascist states to prosper. Charlie might be nuts - but at least he understands that it's better to fight totalitarian measures than mouth platitudes.
18

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

29/03/2008 13:59:18
Ignore the fool Linskaill's rants. His posts are full of inconsistances, e.g. he has claimed in the past that he has been trying to have a baby with his "DYW" for more than ten years, then in another post he lets it slip that she is only 25 years old.
Or maybea he is telling the truth.
19

HarderTruth,

29/03/2008 14:17:52
Big Willie Winkie
Inconsistances? Linskaill? Read your own post, pal: you give an example then accept that you don't actually know the facts.
Charlie's "rants" are often daft, uninformed and pretty weird. They are, however,(sometimes)original and provacatve, and done in an inimitable style. Beats the rest of the bores hands-down,
20

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

29/03/2008 14:23:32
#19.
The point I was trying to make, you total radge is that according to Linskaill he must have been with his "DYW" since she was 15 years old.
And BTW he claims that he is 53 years old.
21

HarderTruth,

29/03/2008 14:32:41
#20
Jealous? Good for him! Probably though, some council will soon ban partnerships where the difference is more than x years, or maybe ban dark-skinned people, or those with big lips. We laughed at the sketch 25 years ago, now it's becoming a reality. That's Charlie's point. And if he really has a child bride - well good enough for Keith Richard, good enough for the loony Linsakill.
22

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

29/03/2008 16:15:22
#21.
Your honour I know she was only 11 but she had the body of a 13 year old, try that defence in court
23

HarderTruth,

29/03/2008 16:52:34
Big Willie,
You watch too much yankee-doodle tv. Scottish Sheriffs and judges are addressed as "m'Lord" or if directly, in second person, as "Your Lordship" (underage marriage would not be before the District Court).
Back to inconsistencies. When did Charlie's squeeze suddenly become 11? Watch out - defamation solicitor about!
24

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 17:55:41
Big Willie!! #22 etc,

From the blinded to being ridiculous!

And, 'Pray tell me', when did I ever say or suggest, my DYW was 25,???

Infact she is a few years older than that,

Although, I may exchange her for a 'yonger model' soon, :-)
25

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

29/03/2008 19:54:30
23&24.
living in a Stoat the baws paradise
26

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

29/03/2008 19:57:53
#23.
and as to how court officials are addressed .........you would know more about that than me
27

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

29/03/2008 20:02:20
Lets do this S i m p l y........................................why do I bother...........aranged marriages are wrong........if you are 53 you dont get off with a 12 year old
28

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

29/03/2008 20:04:53
#24
Charles Linskaill,
Charlie let me dig out the post were you said exactly that
29

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 20:26:05
#28, you really are beyond believe and will NOT find anything, as there is nothing to find!
30

HarderTruth,

29/03/2008 21:46:36
Big Willie,
#25 I pray clarification. Was that west coast vernacular?
#26 Correct: I should do.
#27 Incorrect: arranged marriages are often more stable than unions where the foolish choose their own partners. I assume you were referring to "forced" marriages. Quite another matter.
#28 The evidence, sir. Where are the productions that you referred to?
31

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/03/2008 00:03:35
21 HarderTruth,29/03/2008 14:32:41
#20

"Jealous?"

This is what appears, to be behind it all!

And I would somewhat have to reiterate,

A near 30year old, is beyond old enough, to go with who she pleases.

The terminology I use as in, "DYW" is because to me,

'SHE IS'!

Not playing with..'Train Sets'..or..'Toy Soldiers'!

'HENCE',

I live in the, 'Real World', and my DYW's life being dedicated to our young, the topics on issues such as this, is MORE than a part of our,..Daily Life's'

I recon the best comment of the day was my.."Scenario"

As this IS one of, 'Absolute Truth'!! to which I have witnessed many times!

I have more to do with my time, other than to,
'Talk Dribble'

But I 'WILL SPEAK OUT',,when the,,'Nonsense' and I say,

'UTTER NONSENSE'!!
Is instigated or proposed by the, 'Powers at Be'

Charles Linskaill,...'HAS SPOKEN'..'END-OFF'!!
32

Guga II,

Rockall 30/03/2008 11:23:45
Maybe one of these under 21's will end up taking them to court for breaching their human rights; which they are as they are imposing a law upon them that isn't imposed upon every other under 21 in the country.

In any event, there are sufficient laws around to control underage drinking, and drunken behaviour. Maybe some of these numpties should consider actually enforcing these laws, and actually punishing anyone who breaks them; including those that sell booze to underage people, and the underage people that buy it.
33

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 30/03/2008 11:44:40
This guy Linskaill needs to be sectioned, he strikes me as the sort you would see standing on a soapbox at Hyde park corner telling us the world will end tomorrow if we don't repent.

These youngsters who binge drink are the problem and it is against them any action must be taken.
It is they who are bringing this legislation on themselves. My sympathies lie with all the small businesses who have an drinks license who are now being heavily penalised because of these inconsiderate yobs.
34

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/03/2008 12:49:35
nabodican @#33,

And your the kind of person, that 'Drops the Plate'

'It Smashes'

But poor you!, still wont believe its broken!

AND THATS THE PROBLEM!!
35

Robert,

Kirriemuir 30/03/2008 17:18:13
It has not banned the sale of alcohol to the under 21s; it is simply taking part in an experiment and when this is known then those likely to be involved will not repond as normal; this feature of experiments was highlighted years ago showing that the results produced were likely to be false. The nearby town of Kirkintilloch was a 'dry' town for many years so why not look at what occurred in those days; those who imbided simply took the bus to the nearest 'watering hole' and still returned home under the 'afluence of incahol' then took their violence out on their wives! Today, youngsters drive cars! It sounds rather scary!
36

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........captured from Mexico 1845 30/03/2008 22:06:59
34
Charles Linskaill,

WOW dude .

What have U been ingesting. U on a trip or something.

Dude Teens will always drink booze.

Here in the US at 16, they get a driving lic.and proceed to kill themselves in cruising V8's.

At 18, they join the US Military and train to kill or be killed .

Between 16 and 21, they have babies and freak out, and suck off the system for support.

Then on their 21st Birthday, the law waves a magic wand, and they hey presto!, they can drink booze legally.

Get real people. Stop crucifying the YOUNG, they are ur future, like it or not.

A follower of the natures events ..GC

37

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/03/2008 23:07:50
GalacticCannibal @#36,

"Dude Teens will always drink booze."

And that,,..'Dude' is...'Precisely' my point!!
38

Robert,

Kirriemuir 31/03/2008 01:39:29
Lay down your claymores lads and lassies and let's discuss the merits and likelihood of success of this experiment. Some people need to take action whether the action to be taken is likely to be futile. When people are placed under scrutiny their performance always increases according to the circumstances but when applied generally the status quo re-establishes itself. A good example would be Margaret Thatcher's poll tax which probably would have worked had it not been applied initially to us Scots who, as the Romans discovered almost 2m before to their dismay, are by nature rebellious!

Incidentally, if my recollection is accurate Agricole, the Roman Emporer prior to Hadrian, sent to Scotland his well trained fighting 9th Legion to teach us a lesson and it never returned nor has it been heard of since. Margaret Thatcher made a boob on testing her excellent idea on us Scots who took a delight at proving she was wrong but not with the poll tax but rather by testing it on us. Dose anyone truly believe that this little experiment will work when applied generally to other places? I wonder if messers William Hill will take a wager on it?

 

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