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Barack Obama takes a big step towards becoming the first black US President



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Published Date: 04 June 2008
IT IS OVER – and now it really begins. As Barack Obama wakes this morning, bearing the mantle of the Democratic Party's electoral hopes, he faces a greater challenge: that of becoming the United States' first black president.
Last night, after a gruelling six-month fight, Hillary Clinton said she was "open" to becoming Mr Obama's vice-presidential running mate.

She spoke out as her opponent finally secured the delegates needed to secure the Democrats' nomination.

I
f Mr Obama is exhausted from the often bitter fight for that nomination, which ended yesterday in the polling booths of Montana and South Dakota, he is not showing it.

He arranged a victory celebration at the site of this summer's Republican National Convention in St Paul, Minnesota – an in-your-face gesture to Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

In front of an audience of thousands, Mr Obama praised his rival and dedicated his victory to his grandmother Sarah Obama in Hawaii whom he said "helped make me the man I am today".

"Tonight is for her."

Mr Obama paid tribute to Mrs Clinton and said she had made him a "better candidate".

The junior senator added: "Senator Hillary Clinton has made history in this campaign, not just because she is a woman who has done what no woman has done before, but because she is a leader who has inspired millions of Americans with her strength, her courage and her commitment to the causes that brought us here."

He congratulated Mrs Clinton on her campaign and also praised former president Bill Clinton's economic policies.

Mr Obama acknowledged he and Mrs Clinton "certainly had our differences this past 18 months" but praised her desire to improve the lives of ordinary Americans.

"And you can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal healthcare in this country, and we will win that fight, she will be central to that victory," Mr Obama said.

"Our party and our country are better off because of her and I am a better candidate for having had the honour to compete with Hillary Rodham Clinton."

He had clinched the nomination on the final day of one of the closest and most expensive primary seasons in memory.

A more taxing fight against Mr McCain comes next, and now he must find renewed energy to convince the American people he is better prepared than his opponent to address the major issues that confront the nation.

There is an unpopular war in Iraq to bring to an end; a fast-sinking economy to repair; almost a sixth of the population without health insurance; and a college education system that increasing numbers can no longer afford. Then there is the ever-present threat of a new terrorist attack on the US mainland.

Mr Obama, who has won the support of nearly nine out of ten black voters, also has to convince a lot of white and Hispanic Americans that he really does stand for them, too. The issue was raised in a conference call between Mrs Clinton and members of the New York congressional delegation.

In it, Representative Lydia Velasquez said she believed the best way for Mr Obama to win over Hispanics and members of other key voting blocs would be to accept the former first lady as his running mate.

"I am open to it," Mrs Clinton replied, on the proviso that it would help the party's prospects in the presidential election in November.

But Andrew Kohut, president of the independent Pew Research Centre, warned: "Obama has to deal with the issue of white working-class reservations about him."

All of this and the forthcoming battle with Mr McCain makes the spat with Mrs Clinton over the favours of a few superdelegates look like a cakewalk by comparison.

It also places huge expectations on the shoulders of a candidate whose experience of public service in Washington DC stretches back only to his 2004 election as a senator for Illinois.

"This is a defining moment in our history," he tells voters in his election manifesto, A Blueprint for Change. "Our moment is now. I don't want to spend the next year or the next four years re-fighting the same fights that we had in the 1990s."

Uniting a party, fractured by arguments over disputed primaries in Michigan and Florida, and by the huge gulf between his team and the Clinton camp, will be his first priority.

"We've got a lot of work to do in terms of bringing the party together," he said before yesterday's final primaries. "The sooner we can do that, the sooner we can start focusing on John McCain."

The key battlegrounds have already been set – the economy, healthcare and social security, Iraq and homeland security. Mr McCain would appear to have a head-start on campaigning, having been his party's nominee for many weeks.

But Mr Obama's aides will argue that their man has momentum behind him and, at 46, is fresher than his 71-year-old Republican opponent.

Opinion polls also make happier reading for the Obama camp than previously. A Gallup poll released yesterday showed him with a 47 per cent approval rating to McCain's 44 per cent, an almost exact reversal of their positions a month ago.

However, one sobering message from the survey was that 55 per cent said they were worse off financially than a year ago, the gloomiest outlook since 1976.

The battered state of the nation's economy is arguably the most pressing concern for Mr Obama.

The subprime mortgage crisis and subsequent repossession of hundreds of thousands of homes have left deep wounds that extend far beyond the housing market – causing the collapse of banks, millions to lose their jobs and a loosening of the country's hold on global markets.

Petrol prices are soaring, while the dollar stands at an all-time low against the euro – and is significantly weaker against many other currencies. including the pound. In addition, the middle classes are angry that the bulk of tax cuts have been directed towards the rich.

Mr Obama says he will immediately give all working families a $1,000 (£500) tax credit and crack down on fraudulent brokers and lenders to reduce mortgage arrears and repossessions.

He says he also wants to create jobs by doubling federal funds for research and training, and he wants industry leaders to match his commitment.

The health of the US people will be another hot topic during the campaign to come. Out of a population of 300 million, more than 45 million, including nine million children, have no form of health insurance, and Mr Obama says he has plans to introduce a nationwide plan that will cover everyone.

Critics, including Mr McCain, have challenged the economics of the plan, which they have described as idealistic, unworkable and unachievable.

One area where Mr Obama could score well against his Republican opponent is on the war in Iraq, in which more than 4,000 US personnel have been killed since the 2003 invasion. He has pledged to begin removing US troops at once and continue until all combat brigades are out within 16 months.

While Mr McCain has declared his misgivings over President Bush's handling of the war, as a Republican he could struggle to distance himself from the administration's policies there.

The bloody battle with Mrs Clinton might also have elevated Mr Obama's standing in the eyes of voters, some analysts believe.

"In adversity has come opportunity," Michael Cohen, of the New America Foundation, said. "(He] has been able to confront difficult questions about his candidacy that would normally arise during the general election."

Dream that died for ambitious first lady and 'co-president'

FROM the surprise win in the New Hampshire primary in January that defied her critics and the pollsters, Hillary Clinton was meant to be the odds-on favourite for the Democratic nomination.

She was the heavyweight who had already commanded an office of her own in the White House versus the "rock star" and political ingenue, Barack Obama.

After months of gruelling jousts, state-by-state, her main rival's popular appeal looked unassailable, although previously Mrs Clinton had defiantly insisted that only she could win the presidency for the Democrats.

The former first lady's quest to be the first woman president of the United States was dashed, however, after she was forced to confront reality: she did not have the support.

Confusion yesterday initially ensued over whether she would throw in the towel formally with a speech in New York – or simply concede that Mr Obama had enough delegates behind him to win the race.

Her aides were swift to stress that the New York senator did not intend to suspend or end her candidacy in a speech last night in New York.

In a formal statement, the campaign made clear the limits: "Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination."

Advisers said she had made a strategic decision to not formally end her campaign, giving her leverage to negotiate with Mr Obama on various matters including a possible vice-presidential nomination for her. She also wants to press him on issues he should focus on in the autumn, such as healthcare.

Mrs Clinton reportedly told colleagues she wanted to take time to determine how to leave the race in a way that would best help Democrats. "I deserve some time to get this right," she said.

Accompanied by her husband Bill, Mrs Clinton had poured millions of her own money into the campaign.

While her main rival is aged 46, Mrs Clinton was faced with criticism over her age – she turned 60 last year – her gender and whether she was personable enough.

As first lady, she had offended sections of Middle America by suggesting she did not go home to "bake cookies".

But publicly at least, the lawyer from a middle-class Chicago suburb had appeared to give way to the ambitions to her husband, a Rhodes scholar from a single-parent household in rural Arkansas. According to Her Way, a Clinton biography by Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta jnr, this was because the couple had a "secret pact of ambition" – a 20-year plan to make each of them president. That claim is denied by the Clintons.

During Mr Clinton's time in the White House, presidential aides said they effectively saw her as "co-president".

She was even given an office in the West Wing, from which sprang ambitious, but ill-fated, plans to reform healthcare.

But by the time of her husband's second term, Mrs Clinton took a back seat and engaged in projects such as promoting women's rights.

Given the scale of her ambition, it was perhaps unsurprising that she refused to relent, even when the facts were staring her in the face and she risked splintering her party.

The final intense laps also became increasingly acrimonious. While Mr Obama appeared to offer an olive branch, inviting Mrs Clinton to meet "once the dust has settled", her husband seemed to ratchet up tension.

But bowing out of the race is also a financial necessity. Despite Mr Clinton still securing six-figure sums for his public-speaking engagements, her campaign was £4.8 million in debt at the end of April.

The Clinton family's presidential dream may not yet be over, however. Some believe the couple's daughter, Chelsea, is even more astute than her parents – and she has been close enough to learn from their mistakes.

"Chelsea for President" could be the new family motto.

WHAT NEXT?

ONCE Barack Obama is declared the Democratic nominee, focus will switch to the presidential election battle with John McCain.

The Republican nominee, Mr McCain has had two months to plan his campaign and raise funds.

Attention will be on wooing voters in undecided states such as Florida, Michigan and Ohio. Mr Obama and Mr McCain have already begun sparring over issues such as Iraq and national security.

But the Democrats do have one advantage: the race between Mr Obama and Hillary Clinton has encouraged large numbers to register as Democratic voters.



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04/06/2008 00:04:55
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Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 00:23:21
Well done Obama, from what I've heard and from what I've read it seems you will do a far better job than both your opponents and your predecessor.
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The Strategist,

04/06/2008 00:23:26
By not selecting Hillary Clinton I would pretty much guarantee that the next US President will be John McCain.
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Jock MacSprog,

04/06/2008 00:28:42
~2 Stu, so what do you base that on ? Specifically ?
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04/06/2008 00:33:07
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Highland Mighty,

04/06/2008 00:34:30
3. Yep, totally agree. McCain and the Republican Party will make mincemeat of a junior senator with no executive experience whatsoever.

The Democrats have, yet again, secured defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Mist001,

Marseille 04/06/2008 00:35:08
I think Obama is a very brave man. Can you imagine if he actually does become president, the immense pressure he'll be under?

I couldn't do it and I'm caucasian. The pressure will be at least ten times worse for an Afro-American president.

I have to admire the mans drive and bravery for picking the ball up and continuing to run with it.

And I hope he wins.

Michael.
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Maisie from Morningside,

04/06/2008 01:23:34
American bookies claim that Osama as the Democratic candidate makes McCain the odds-on favourite.

I expect they've already seen the "Make Barack Hussein Obama America's first Black Muslim President" posters being printed.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 04/06/2008 01:32:30
#3: If the Democrats had been idiotic enough to select Clinton, there are paraplegic voters who would have pulled themselves to voting booths by their tongues just to vote against her.

There are just too many Americans who'd rather vote for Beelzebub than a Clinton to make selecting her a feasible strategy.

As for McCain winning: what's coming economically in the US will make voters badly want to punish the Republicans by November.

Scott: Yes, it'd be nice to see Ron Paul on the ticket as Veep. I'm not optimistic though. Paul should have run as Libertarian Party Presidential candidate.
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Jon Bon Jovi,

ivory coast 04/06/2008 02:41:54

thought he was african-amercian, not black... my bad!!!!
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 03:00:26
recent polls show Obama likely to defeat McCain in November. and this is before the DNC convention when for several evenings many voters will focus their tv's on the Democrats who will attack Bush, the culmination being Obama's big speech. He'll get a 10 point bounce after that.

republicans are unpopular both because of the bad economy & the wars. They've been recently losing emergency elections in districts that they've held for over 30 years.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 03:10:02
http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=844

here's a link to a story about a poll recently taken by a republican consultant showing that Obama currently leads McCain 44-40. but that will likely widen as people take a closer look.

Remember, McCain can't escape his republican association and the bad economy as well as people's memory of Bush. Read the article I linked to - very enlightening.
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04/06/2008 03:26:30
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FJM,

California 04/06/2008 03:27:29
To Wally, there are numerous polls, i.e Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/107662/Gallup-Daily-Obama-52-Clinton-43-Final-Primary-Votes-Cast.aspx)
as at June.03 that show McCain either ahead, or tied with Obama. As the debate starts in earnest between the two, I expect it to become clear that McCain is the stronger candidate on a whole range of issues. He clearly will be outspent, but he thrives in the role of the underdog.
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Statsman,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 04:53:51
You won't get your NWO.
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Renée,

Wichita, Kansas 04/06/2008 06:50:40
....potentially the first BLACK U.S. President? Need I remind everyone that he is half WHITE? He shouldn't be considered the first black anything when he isn't a "purebreed" (for lack of a better word).

He fits the book of Revelation's description of the anti-Christ. Only in America...........
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Renée,

Wichita, KS 04/06/2008 06:56:23
#19: If he does get the backing of the masses, that just strengthens the validity of my comment. Read THE book.
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Phil C,

04/06/2008 07:08:15
Obama seems to promise a change in America and he looks like he might be able to unite America with his reasoned ways, and christ don't we need it! I think his battle really starts now in persuading the Americans that his skin colour has nothing to do with his abilities.

While Hilary Clinton is very able, she's already done her turn at the White House and Obama would be better to seek a new, fresh running mate if he really wants to change things. Who knows, this might turn out to be the best thing for everyone....but then again!
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04/06/2008 07:35:26
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04/06/2008 07:48:27
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 07:50:26
Excellent news !, I see Clinton STILL refuses to concede and get behind the Democratic nomination.
Apparently she is "Open" to considering the vice -presidency. Good for her, Obama can bring her into his team if he wants, I hear she makes excellent Coffee.

As for McCain, he looks less and less like a presidential candidate each time he makes a bungiling appearance . He was nearly crying this morning on CNN,
complaining that Obama keeps saying he is too close to
George of Crawford. Doesn't help Mr Chips when he is the main man at your last Fund-raiser. Hence the reason the media were banned. Yeah sure, America wants McCain, just like they wanted Hilary..... NOT.
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 04/06/2008 07:50:50
Hopefully Barack Obama will not allow that dreadful Clinton woman anywhere near him. At this time, more than ever, the USA needs an honest President, it does not need another episode of the 'Clintstones'.
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 04/06/2008 07:50:50
Hopefully Barack Obama will not allow that dreadful Clinton woman anywhere near him. At this time, more than ever, the USA needs an honest President, it does not need another episode of the 'Clintstones'.
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04/06/2008 07:55:49
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El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 04/06/2008 08:06:37
I wonder who Senator Obama's backers are?

Read the book RICH MAN POOR MAN
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Silence of the Yams,

04/06/2008 08:08:34
This Obama character is a total fraud. Americans are such idiots.
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deeks rearend,

04/06/2008 08:10:31
nothing will change
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Black Five,

edinburgh 04/06/2008 08:14:21
Just can`t see the Americans voting for him.President McCain has just been elected.
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 08:22:52

"America will never vote for a blac... I mean Obama"
they cry, as he moves further and further ahead of
Mr Chips in the national polls. Wake up, Clinton has made some coffee, time to smell it.
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04/06/2008 08:27:32
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voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 08:35:11
Obama is not black. His mother was white and his dad a black Somalian. Why is he not called brown? He is, like all of us a mix of two lineages. Race is a peculiar term that scientists, never mind others, cannot precisely define and certainly not in an individual.

It is strange to me that people become so obsessed with an adaptive phenotype, skin colour, that indicates, if anything at all, how far back one has to go to find ancestors from a sunny climate.

And yet America is deeply, intensely and, as we will find in November when voters are granted anonymity, racist.

One form of this racism occurs among liberal whites. It happens when the skin colour of a person is not too dark, he or she has no visibly negro (modern African) features - most especially a flattened large nose or lips that are full or too dark. Such a person, if also middle class and with a mainstream accent becomes an honorary white and held up as an example of "some of my best friends are black".

Obama, and many other US politicians, celebs fit this bill niceley.

And yet in America, any form of permanent pigmentation that does not come from a tan is seized on as a racial indicator. How did "Hispanic" become a race then? Are the Spanish guilty of miscegenation because indiginous natives descendants speak Spanish up and down the Americas?

I would have preferred Hils because the world does not need another far right received-prejudice christian and this is the ticket most likely to provide that.

We shall see. I'd still root for Obama, but his inexperience and deeply rooted white-American prejudice may yet give us the oven chip.
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El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 04/06/2008 08:42:48
#37 I have to say it plainly. In my opinion it costs a hell of a lot of money to run in the presidential race. Each candidate, unless he or she is exceptional, will have some powerful backers. I do not know who they may be.

Remember Jimmy Carter, he came out of "nowhere" to become president

Barack Obama has some fresh ideas. Hilary Clinton would have been the same tune played on a different instrument etc......

#41 Obama's father was a Kenyan
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 08:43:26
How many of those who claim Obama lacks experience have typed "Obama's experience" into their search engines. I would if I was you. It makes facinating reading, especially when compared to Clinton.

Go ahead, don't be afraid.
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Silence of the Yams,

04/06/2008 09:13:38
43. Swallowing the lies eh? He got into Harvard thanks to his white family's money and affirmative action - why not talk about that? Talk about how he "lawyered" Alice Palmer out of her senate seat. His links to the Chicago mob and terrorist Bill Ayers? His bogus resignation from the odious United Trinity Church. His appropriation of other peoples work, the list goes on...
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Nirvana,

04/06/2008 09:21:38
Obama has no experience, never had a bill passed, is far left liberal. The media has made him like a rock star. If he debates McCain he will leave him hanging. He run his campaign on change. What change, never says how or what he is changing. Never will be President people.
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 04/06/2008 09:22:36
Will the bitch ever concede ??
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Mike555,

04/06/2008 09:36:38
Just means that if Obama gets the ticket McCain will easily win the race for President. That means new wars all over the place.
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 09:40:03
#45 That's a remarkable statement to make. No experience ?. As I say to you people, go do some research.

#44 "Got into Harvard because of his "White families money". How ignorant some of you people are. That's classic Clinton. Go check out hopw he did at Harvard.
Was he not a Prize-winning student of constitutional Law. I think you are mixing him up with George of Crawford.

What are his links to the "Chicago Mob".?

What are his links to Bill Ayers exactly.

Bogus resignation ?. So in your mind he is still in this church or what ?. Do you not realise how foolish you sound when you come out with this trash.

Stop wink winking, and nudge nudgeing. If you have some evidence that Obama is not a worthy candidate,lets hear it, but please enough of this Fox News innuendo.
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Mikey,

04/06/2008 10:11:00
45, a far left liberal? Are you mad? Maybe you're a Septic? That would explain it!
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voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 10:14:06
#42 - happy to be corrected. His father was indeed Kenyan although part of an ethnic Luo minority therein, which candidate Obama used to indicate "empathy" for the Kenyan Somailis whose national dress he was pictured wearing.

Hilary does not need to concede, Barack has the votes.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 10:23:45
President Obama will get the troops out of Iraq. McCain
represents a war mongering past. He lost in Vietnam and has never come to terms with it. Time for change.
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voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 10:35:19
Unfortunately Obama has bought the notion that the US President de facto become leader of the free world.

Oh really? Europe is a bigger democracy, China a bigger free (ish) market, many countries have freer citizenry and every president appears to wage war somehwere in promotion of US interest.

Maybe I just missed the US-English meaning of "free" or "world".

F@nny.
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Lochiel,

West of Glasgow 04/06/2008 10:41:28
I am enjoying this Hobson's choice immensely. Imagine Obama working so hard to get to this point. All the political opponents he undermined on the way. Now he's in the position that he can't win without Hillary, but if he includes her as vice president, that harpy will be sniping at him the entire time and he'll get Bill wandering around the white house in his underwear, drinking out of a paper bag and muttering obscenities to any female he stumbles into.

Delicious!
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voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 10:58:30
#53 You are quite wrong. Americans' attention span outside the Beltway makes goldfish look deep and reflective. Don't be surpised to see a Hils/Barack love-fest or even a joint ticket! The public will go for it because its just another winning side to try and be on.

Many presidents get the job without an election via occupancy of the V.P. role. In fact one, Gerald Ford, was not elected to either office, getting veep by resignation of corrupt Spiro Agnew and the top job by departure of Tricky Dicky.

Hillary may yet be the first woman president. She'll not be the first tw@t by a long shot.



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Dbxsteve,

West Kilbride 04/06/2008 11:19:40
Let's just hope that whoever the running mate is that the Democrates win.

Another Republican President is the last thing the world needs right now!!
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 11:20:38
Personally I hope the ni... the bla... the bro... the guy wins it, think he's done an excellent job of getting this far.

But they're right - As soon as he's elected you may as well put a neon arrow above his head, pointing at his Temple and a sign that says "Just Here, Boys!".

Cos that's the "American Way!!"
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 11:21:11
No, I was being Ironic, ok?
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 04/06/2008 11:24:07
Why call him black when he could equally be called white in terms of parentage?

As his ancestors evidently avoided being enslaved (by the Arabs in this case) I doubt he has much in common with most 'black' Americans.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 11:27:42
They call him Black because we all know America only sees things in Black and White - Everything.

They don't seem to have the capability of seeing different Shades, thats why they are so inflexible over everything - if it doesn't fit the way they see things . . . . .
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Kaytoc,

Maryland,USA 04/06/2008 11:50:57
What seems to have eluded some posters is Hilary won the popular vote. The delegate gamesmanship is the element that will prove to be the Democrats downfall.

Another aspect of the DNP foolishness is punishing
Florida voters who had to go to the polls that day to vote on issues other than primary candidates. It makes no sense for the Florida Democrats to be expected to go to the polls twice just to satisfy the foibles of the party leadership.
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Boab,

Glasgow 04/06/2008 12:02:38
I doubt very much Obama will get assassinated but he doesn't strike me as having much substance. Shame for Clinton but according to an American I know her campaign was basically very negative.
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 12:03:32
#60 Both Florida and Michigan broke Party rules by holding their ballotts too early. They came to a compromise, which they did not have to do. Clinton's demos agreed to the solutions that were found. You can't now say change the rules because they don't suit you. Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan. When Clinton was asked why she had not removed her name , she replied "Everyone knows these votes will not count".

But hey , now I need them , they should count. Cheap , small town political posturing. Clinton to a "T".
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 12:03:55
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Kaytoc - If, as you say, Hil won the popular vote then the fact that the Dem's picked Obama speaks volumes doesn't it?

Obviously even they don't want another Clinton in da House!
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 12:05:29
#61 Probably not, although he has had death threats.
Clinton , siting the kennedy assasination as a reason to hang around, just in case, was repulsive and the final nail in her cheap little coffin.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 12:07:19
She's an Upright, Uptight, Frigid person.

Who needs that running the most dangerous country in the world?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 12:20:57
in the US if there is an assassination of a politician, then it is orchestrated by the CIA. and not done by 'racists' as claimed above. If it is done, then this means the person assassinated has rebelled from the clique that rules. We certainly hope that Obama is a person who will not be loyal to the clique that rules us, though we don't want to see him killed.

Hilary did better earlier in the primary season rather than later. Obama's popularity built to the end while hers declined. For example - Hilary won in California. but a recent poll thee shows Obama would win by a wide margin if the primary were re-done today.

its overwhelmingly likely that Obama will win in November barring dirty tricks or extreme propaganda against him which is quite possible.
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JT,

04/06/2008 13:02:40
Much as it would do the world to have a non white president, cant see it happening. Just look at the criminal results in Florida last time round, when votes were "lost". I would like to see americans getting the president they need not one who has the biggest campaign fund.
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Keith Lagden,

04/06/2008 13:04:26
#3 I beleive you are right on the money, IF he should get elected it is very likely he will follow in the footsteps of J.F. Kennedy
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 04/06/2008 13:41:41
El Sabio hasn't done his research:

"In my opinion it costs a hell of a lot of money to run in the presidential race. Each candidate, unless he or she is exceptional, will have some powerful backers. I do not know who they may be."

At least you have an inkling of what you don't know. Obama's campaign asked for a max of 200 Dollars each from supporters, and that they pass the word through Facebook etc.

The majority of his donations came from ordinary folks sending 200 Dollars or less. These are not "powerful backers" but ordinary folks.

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Griffe,

04/06/2008 13:58:32
If Clinton, as vice-president, would help him win the presidency, how long would he survive the back-stabbing by the Clintons.

Why is he regarded as 'black' apart from the colour of his skin? He has one black & one white parent.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/06/2008 14:31:14
He hasn't got a prayer, thank God. The Democrats are totally divided and mainstream America won't buy some vacuous slogan like "Yes We Can". Meaningless bilge.

It will be fun to see him lose big time; something to wipe the smirk off his face.
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 14:45:37
Clinton seems to hold completley opposite views to Barak. I can't understand why she would want to work for him. She would have to "Promise" to come "On Message, and stay there. I doubt she has the mental capacity to do so. As for her requiring help paying her estimated 20 million dollars debt, tough. Thankfully, electroral rules prevent it. That money was donated on the basis it was to help Barak defeat Clinton, not to bail her out of her suicidal campaign.

Back to work for you Hilary. Milk and 2 sugars in my coffee please.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 14:46:44
in America the typical pattern is that the 'powers that be' help there to be a Republican president for 4-8 years and then they help there to be a Democrat president for 4-8 years. 4-8 depending on the popularity of the president and whether he adequately serves the powers that be.

There is only a small hope that Obama will rebel against the people that rule us and bring the change people want. and in that case assassination risk is very high. the people that rule us are masters at deception.

why do people call Obama black though he's half-white people ask. Because historically that is the way 'black' is defined in America. There was once a law saying that if a person was 1/8'th black, then they were black. and American blacks typically have white blood in them. They're 50% white overall. Only recent immigrants from Africa/Carribbean are likely to be all black. And American whites from the southeastern states are typically 5% black as well. thats because they have early american blood in them - blacks & whites intermarried commonly in the mid-1600's.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 14:53:56
I really don't understand why people here are saying that Obama is unlikely to win. Read article I linked to in #12 showing the recent poll. Also, consider republicans are very unpopular this year. McCain has been on national stage for a long time, he is not going to surge. Obama is new and fresh, he is going to surge. The Democrats and any other healthy party with competing groups inside them only seem divided at this time. They'll be as united as ever later on. It is the Republicans who are fractured. Many republicans are unhappy with republican leadership under Bush and they don't like McCain. In recent primaries McCain was getting only 75-80% of the republican vote even though he's the only one campaigning and almost all the others had their names withdrawn from the ballot. Republican turnout in the primaries is low. Republican financial donations are low compared to the democrats and that is unusual. and like someone said above, Obama's donations are in small amounts whereas the Republicans are the ones who have the fat-cat donors.
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Bennie,

04/06/2008 15:10:46
We can't afford Obama period. My retirement (401K) took at hit as soon as he was chosen as the candidate. Who knows what will happen if he wins in November.
Affwimadinnerjacket, only three days ago, REPEATED, Israel will soon disappear and OBAMA wants to sit down and talk to him!!
Obama's ONLY bill(cuurently being worked in Washington) to give 1.5% of the US GDP to the UN without precondition!
McCain IS the guy who saved the US tax payer over $6 Billion by forcing the US tanker program to be competed that Airbis won and the UK benefits from.
No who do you want - DO RESEARCH and don't get caught up in OBAMA hysteria. He his policies mimic NEW LABOUR!
How scarey is that?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 04/06/2008 15:15:22
"What seems to have eluded some posters is Hilary won the popular vote."

Which don't mean bullhickey, as Hillary was happy to acknowledge before it turned out that she didn't win by the actual rules.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 04/06/2008 15:22:44
I particularly liked this quote from the geeks of Silicon valley:

"Svck on it, Clintstones. And note to the rest of America -- we may not be as s£xy as Hollywood or Wall Street, but you know what? We've got a sh1tload of money, and we know how to organize. We're a powerful bunch of khaki-wearing, g@y-marriage-supporting, arugula-eating, Mac-using elitist nerds out here. To all of you racist homophobic non-Californian dumb fvcks who find that annoying? Tough sh1t. We outsmarted you. We out-spent you. And now for the next eight years we're going to be running this country. We're going to give equal rights to gay people, fund stem-cell research, teach evolution, take down the fence on the Mexican border, and make sure abortion stays safe and legal. We're going to pull out of Iraq, shut down Gitmo, and stop torturing people. And yeah. A black dude with a Muslim-sounding name and degrees from Columbia and Harvard is going to be in charge. So sit back down, strap yourself in, and shut the fvck up, crackers."



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Hannah22,

USA 04/06/2008 15:22:45
I am confused about the grandmother in Hawaii that Sen. Obama referred to. You reported that her name is Sarah Obama. I read that Sarah Obama lives in Kenya and is a step-grandmother. Barack was raised in Hawaii by his white grandparents (i.e., his white mother's parents). So if he has a grandmother in Hawaii, her surname would be something other than Obama, wouldn't it?
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voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 15:22:59
Wally. Americans see this the same as sports. they may be elephant or donkey in general elections, but each contest is still a heads-up. The democratic nominee is decided - by the ridicuous, anachronistic process devised two centuries ago when a popular vote by people who had met, heard from, seen or even read about was impossible. Nowadays the nominee is the winner of a beauty contest with partial results coming in to influence future results in a media dominated feedback loop whose biggest influence is among super-delegates who want only to back the winner. The greater number of votes cast was for Hillary. Fact. The media and campaign driven issues and 'events' reported as news (Obama in Somali dress, Clinton as a liar, Obama's nutty pastor etc) are all created to swing the needle of opinion during the "season" of primaries and caucuses.

It's not even a snapshot of opinion, it's a slew of snapshots that play like a jerky film. The republicans contest was not close so we did not witness similar antics yet from them. But they'll be gearing up for a general election, equally anachronistic, to target Obama on different fronts in different key states and no-one will even notice the implicit cynicism as their turf takes centre stage.

Make no mistake, part of their campaign will appeal to the racism just beneath the surface in the land of the free, both for (brother) and against (n!gger).

(this word suppressed by Hootsmon)

Even playing on the fact that the N word is so controversial is itself a racist play. Again both sides will do this.

To the extent that I am right, America will show it's true colors and they will be white. If I am wrong and I hope so, then Obama and maybe and Obama/Clinton ticket will finally put daylight between today and the sixties on this issue at least.
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ScotLJM,

Richmond, Michigan USA 04/06/2008 15:24:28
As a Michigan voter, I am very upset with what transpired, and along with the Florida debacle, resulted in only half-vote counts, giving Obama the edge. As Hariett Christian of New York angrily stated that because a white woman was running, so also came Obama, and in her view, a totally inadequate black male. On this I have to agree, he is too inexperienced, too radical, (his wife Michelle even more so) too weak, and because of this, not "The Right Stuff" for President.
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Bennie,

04/06/2008 15:36:25
I think in ANY country you should have to pass an IQ test before you can get a voter card. You should be over 25 and under 70.
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 15:47:44
#81 Oh No Hannah, how could anyone vote for someone
with a confusing line in Grandmothers ????.

Quick get McCain or Clinton in the Whitehouse.

#83 WOW , where were these standards when George of Crawford won , TWICE. As for no experience, when are you crowd going to accept he has more than adequate experience. Google "Obama's experience" , if you have
the back-bone that is.
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Sandi,

San Diego 04/06/2008 16:20:35
Obama is black rather than white, brown or whatever because he wants to be known as "black". 92% of black voters voted for him despite the fact that he has never in his life done a single thing for them.

#60 absolutely right.

#61 Clinton did not run a 'negative" campaign. However, whenever she responded to one of the constant personal insults thrown at her for the last year by the Obama campaign, she was called "negative". No mention was ever made of the actions by the Obama campaign. It was interesting last night to hear him praise her for all the many things he has spent a year tearing her down. What's "new" about his politics? It's the Chicago brand, that's all.

#62 Yes, the DNC did need to do something. First,they broke their own rules by taking away everything, then they forgot that they need Florida and Michigan to vote Democratic in November. I can't imagine that Michigan will vote for a man who was handed delegates he didn't win and Florida should have been seated per the vote.

#72 What a perfect example of the mysoginism that has been directed at Hillary Clinton by the Obama campaign, the media and ignorant posters like you for the last year. This kind of remark only serves to make women less likely to vote for Obama.

#81 his white grandmother in Hawaii is the "typical white woman" he threw under a bus by accusing her of being racist. What a guy.

He is connected to about every crook in Chicago through Rezko, mayor Daley and his own campaign manager, Axelrod. Those racist pastors/ministers have been members of his inner circle of advisors for many years. The Clinton campaign didn't bring up any of this, but you will hear ALL about it from the Republicans. This is why Obama will not win.
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Bennie,

04/06/2008 16:32:15
Obama, when finally he resigned from his church still got it wrong.
He said that he resigned because it was not fitting to run for President and be a member of this church NOT that he disagreed with the filth being spewed from the pulpit!
This guy is a guy who will say and do anything to further himself. He is a danger to the world not just America.
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Bennie,

04/06/2008 16:34:19
Bob Barr for Pres!
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 04/06/2008 16:34:59
Oh dear he's another Israeli flunkie, when are they going to learn that Israel is the main problem in that area, they are no different to what South Africa was under the apartheid regime.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 16:39:17
for #80, a Friend of FP - your quote from a California nerd is ridiculous. the person is clueless. let me show you.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=906&Disp=0

here is an article showing that the US & Iraq just agreed to let the US have permanent bases in Iraq and to use those bases to attack other nations. and that Iraq's military is controlled by the US. whoever wrote that blurb you put up does not understand how empires work. and does not understand that the US is not really influenced by the will or desires of its people. Perhaps they're busy making money and this is why they're deceived.
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Reekin' Lum,

04/06/2008 16:43:54
Obama is an empty suit- no experience and way over to the left. The more people have learned about him the less they trust him- his remarks concerning the average white voter in Pennsylvania is a case in point and he has yet to come up with someone who might have influenced him in his earlier days who had good moral character rather than the hate spewing so called pastors he has been associated with for 20+ years.

It will do no good for the US to elect this individual and place us all in danger when the enemy does unleash its sleeper cells which, I guess, will be shortly after January 2009.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 16:50:12
many here are hung up on the race issue. In America the blacks normally favor the Democrat candidate and if the Democrat candidate is black or white doesn't matter to them. The whites by majority normally favor the Republican candidate and the race of the candidate isn't the key factor for them either. See the link I put up in #12. In 2004 Bush beat Kerry by 17 points among whites. In a poll taken 1 week ago McCain beats Obama among white voters by 2 points. Clinton during the 1990's normally got 90% of black votes. Obama does that today. The race is not nearly so important as many of you think.

I'd be surprised if Obama picked Clinton as VP.
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Bemused and above it all,

04/06/2008 16:56:49
Anyone who wants to be president of America is a danger to the world!
We're still stuck in Afghanistan because dubbya and his advisors couldnt do international relations and realise the guy was on a plate if they asked in the right way, nope, far better to point a few cruise missiles at people who have spent 15 or so years already fighting the soviet equivalent and say 'gimme!'.
Have any of you ever watched TEAM America? very astute.
Obama will lose because of the race issue, only complete economic meltdown, which would probably then invoke national emergency rules and thus no election, would change this.
Oh and britain isnt any better, we currently preach about fair elections by a guy that was handed the job when his boss done a runner before he got caught!
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 17:01:50
For Sandi in 86:

hilary won a lot of votes, that is true. But if all of those democrat primaries were held today, then Obama would win the popular vote by 10-15%. California is a perfect example. Hilary won there. But a poll last week showed that if the primary were held today, then Obama would win by 17%.

This demonstrates the wisdom of the DNC in forcing Florida & Michigan to hold their primaries later rather than earlier. People change their mind over time as they have a chance to consider & listen to the info. In this case over time the loyal democrats tilted decisively to Obama.

And it was Florida & Michigan democrat leaders who decided not to have their own votes counted. because the national party told them their votes wouldn't be counted if they held their primaries on the early dates they wanted and they went ahead and did it anyway.

I hope the clintons will pay that $20 million debt they owe. Ron Paul didn't run up a debt like that, he stopped campaigning when he ran out of money.
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sheri,

usa 04/06/2008 17:03:39
one flaw obama has is that he is billing himself as the first black candidate. this is not true. he is only 1/2 black. he can't even admit to being biracial. i agree with #87 that he is a danger to america and this is one american who will never vote for that guy no matter what.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/06/2008 17:08:24
If Obama wins then we may as well all turn out the lights and just give up. He has no principles, he supports nothing worthy and will give up to any enemy like extreme Islam that comes along and forms a big challenge to our way of life. His presidency would be a disaster to the whole world, not just the USA.

We need more than a sharp-tongued polished salesman to rule the most powerful nation in the world. We need somebody with at least a bit of substance too.
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Kiltie Kiltie Caldbum,

3 sters up 04/06/2008 17:08:25
At least the US gets a chance every four years to throw the leader out.
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Bemused and above it all,

04/06/2008 17:14:32
#97 I know, but you cant advocate freedom of choice and then bomb the sh@t out of a nation when you dont like the choice they make!
Thats my point.
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DonetoDeath,

Texas 04/06/2008 17:29:35
Folks, If you want change, you will need to change the people you put into the House and Senate both State and Federal, The only real power the President has is the power of the VETO.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 17:32:57
Bemused in #98 has an excellent point. Vladimir Putin said something similar in the last couple of days when he asked how America can be a monster in its foreign policy and a shining democracy at home. Because the 'democracy' part is a fraud and the 'empire' part in foreign policy is the reality, that is why.

Some above have asserted that Obama is a lefty. But the standards used to come to this conclusion are slippery. John Kennedy was said to be a liberal when he was running for office. But his policies were in reality very similar to Ronald Reagan's. The key thing about Kennedy was that once in office he steered a course that defied the people who see themselves as the real rulers of America, and so he was killed. The only question now we all want is for Obama to likewise defy these real rulers.
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electra,

Glasgow 04/06/2008 17:36:06
#75/76
It is specified in the 1707 Treaty of Union that the UK cannot have a Roman Catholic monarch(or a monarch married to a catholic).so its not got much to do with the attitudes of anyone now. as far as the PM goes,it probably has its roots in the 17th/18th centuries.
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Wally,

By the Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 17:36:17
DoneToDeath in 99:

the House & Senate both went from Republican control to Democrat control in 2006. and every indication is that Democrats will be strengthened in 2008 in both houses. that is a change. Though I would recommend throwing 80% of them out & starting over. Without doing that 'we the people' stand no chance at all.

Quite frankly, if the masses of Americans continue to get their news from the 6 corporations that own 95% of the media, then we don't stand a chance either.
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Sandi,

San Diego 04/06/2008 17:36:46
Wally at #94,

You're right that as the primaries roll along, opinions change, and they did not change in favor of Obama. Since the beginning of March, Hillary Clinton has won more votes, more delegates and more primaries than Obama. She won overwhelmingly in Puerto Rico last Sunday and in South Dakota yesterday. Never before has the presumed nominee of either major party lost primaries like that.

In Florida, the Democratic party leaders had no control at all over the date of the primary. It was decided by the Florida legislature where there is an almost 2-1 Republican majority. The Democrats in the legistature voted for the bill that had the early date tacked on because the bill was actually about election reform, including mandating a paper record of each vote at electronic teriminals, and these were essential changes the Democrats had to vote for. That's why the Republicans added the date change to that particular bill.

Obama's lead in pledged delegates came from the caucuses, where he bussed in lots of college students and MoveOn people who bullied and threatened for him. I hope that in future presidential primaries the Democratic Party will have no more caucuses. The distribution of pledged delegates has been manipulated by the DNC in favor of Obama. They are not in any way an accurate indication of which candidate the people want to be their nominee. The DNC added delegates to black precincts where it was likely that Obama would do well and then, of course, there was their historic and illegal taking away of delegates from Hillary Clinton to give to Obama last Saturday.
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celtic4,

USA 04/06/2008 17:45:43
Let me say again, Obama is not BLACK. He is bi-racial/black(Kenya)and white.
He is very inexperience, says things he does not explain. I think McCain has a good chance,regardless of his party affiliation. At least he has thus far said the truth.
And Obama should have distanced himself far earlier from that church to do any real good at all, if he means it.
I want to say that Americans are not idiots, and that the largest part of predjudice in America can be found in black communities, not white.
Let's get the record straight here,ok?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 17:55:44
thank you for that information Sandi in 103:

I'd say the big tilt in popular opinion towards Obama has occurred in the last month and after he took a slight dip due to being constantly grilled over the Wright issues. Many polls have shown a strong tilt to Obama in the last month.

That is good to know about Florida. What a mess! they fouled it up good.

If Obama is not loyal to the ones who rule us, then the first tactic will be character assassination with who knows what info to be used. and I sincerely hope that doesn't happen.

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DonetoDeath,

Texas 04/06/2008 18:00:05
Wally,

That shift takes place every eight years, from gutless to presumptuous and back again.
You hit the nail on the head with the media statement, Thats why we have that shift every 8 years.

Sandi,

Thanks for bringing up the caucuses and super deligates,
God help us on that one.

Term limits for Congress would help alot.
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ScotLJM,

USA 04/06/2008 19:24:28
#95....Sheri, I too will not vote for Obama, I have five plus months to see if I even vote at all, given what has happened thus far to my vote in the Michigan primaries...also, I am totally disgusted with the number of superdelegates that have backed Obama, are the alternate choices that far off? Does Barack's association with radical Rev.Wright, et al, not mean anything? Sen. McCain, who I have the greatest respect for, he endured so much, and whom is such a likeable guy, just doesn't seem to be Presidential material. I will wait and see however. With respect to our Middle-East adversaries, why is it that on the bad side the bad guys are so bad, but on the good side the bad guys are not bad enough? Also, with respect to our ongoing dilemma with illegal immigrants from Mexico, not to mention the twelve million already here... what is going to be done about them? why should WE have provide Spanish language for them? where is the incentive to learn English in this? So little has ever been mentioned by either Presidential candidate as to what they will do. In many ways, although I don't condone this, is the fact that certain countries do, or have done, employ EXTREME measures to curtail unwanted individuals entering their country. Action is needed NOW on this invasion. What say you?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/06/2008 19:39:11
I could never vote for some vacuous politician with nothing more to offer than "Yes We Can". I "can" do up my shoelaces and I'm sure Obama can just about manage that too. Doesn't make him presidential material though.
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John Blackley,

Florida 04/06/2008 19:42:07
Ah, the Scotsman comment column! The place for measured, rational and insightful debate...... no, wait, that's entirely different site I'm thinking of.

THIS site - and particularly articles on it about the United States - draws a predictable crop of ignorance, racial prejudice, insult and pure dimwittedness.

Now I don't know who's going to win the next presidential election here in the goodol'USofA (and neither does anyone else posting here.) But, like everyone else here, that's not gonna stop me from posting an opinion. At least I will keep it free from insult and prejudice.

If Barack Obama can tag John McCain with the 'Bush III" tag then he'll have a fighting chance (as there are many voters in the United States who are heartily sick of 'the Bush years'). Throughout this hugely overlong 'campaign' the media has been drawn to Obama by his charisma and there are many United States' voters who will vote on the basis of the most charismatic candidate. (I remember the "Who would you rather drink a beer with?" 'poll' during the Bush/Gore election.)

Lately, John McCain has been sounding tired in his speeches but that man draws energy from the most unusual events and the idea that the 'real' campaign is now on may be enough to stir the old warhorse once again.

Counterbalance all of that with two things: There will be many 'turned off' Clinton Democrats who may - or may not - decide to abstain or vote for McCain and; There is still a very real doubt about how many Americans are prepared to vote for a president with African ancestry.

So who's gonna win? If I knew that, I'd be a rich man indeed.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/06/2008 19:50:03
There are many reasons why Obama has won:

* the US media did not scrutinise either him or his policies until it was too late - I suspect, as many do, that if this had happened before Iowa he would have been dead in the water

* Obama was better organised, particularly in the caucuses - Hillary I have to say was poorly prepared. This, combined with the intimidatory nature of the caucus system, as well as its bias to his natural supporters, merant that he could pick up a lot of votes on the cheap.

* Race - whether we like it or not has been a deciding factor - when you go into a state primary knowing you have a start of 20-25% then it does make it easier

* Liberals - unlike previous elections where they have splintered this time they have rallied around one candidate. This has helped in the caucuses, particularly those in the red states, where Democrats tend to be more liberal than many of their blue state counterparts.

* Money - again because of his better organisation - Obama has been able to outspend by 4 to 1 in some states. With the lack of media scrutiny and, in some cases, the media such as CNN acting as cheerleaders it has been easier for him to raise money than Clinton. Moreover, because his base are the richer, middle-class liberals they have greater sources of finance from which to make donations. Clinton's base was far narrower - blue collar workers who don't have the same sources of finance to make political contributions and several large ultra-rich donors and businesses

* The youth vote - Obama has been able to do something no other candidate in living memory has done - enthuse younger voters and college graduates. How lasting that will be is debateable but for the time being they are the one group that has helped him to get where he is today. They have done much of the donkey work in caucuses and open primaries.

People forget that Obama has been preparing for this from the day he was elected to the Senate - Clinton has only hersel
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/06/2008 19:50:29
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People forget that Obama has been preparing for this from the day he was elected to the Senate - Clinton has only herself to blame. She was far too complacent at the start regards Obama.

If McCain wins, and I think he will, then I believe she will run in 2012. If she does that then you can bet your bottom dollar that she won't make the same mistakes she did this time.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/06/2008 19:51:19
I certainly would vote for the candidate prepared to stand up against Islamic fundamentalism and that looks like McCain. If anybody here wants to see their mother and/or sisters living under Sharia law then vote for a soft touch. You'll then get what you want soon enough.
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E. Smith,

Texas 04/06/2008 20:02:42
Re #41, 42, and 81: Barack Obama's maternal grandmother, Madelyn Durham, a bank vice president, and his maternal grandfather, a salesman, lived in Honolulu, Hawaii, where his single mother sent him to live between the ages of six and ten. Sarah Hussain Obama, the second wife of his late grandmother, lives in Kenya and is his step-grandmother. Although she obviously makes good copy, her step-son divorced Obama's mother when he was only two-years-old, and he had no further contact with the Obama clan in Kenya until he found it politically expedient to do so. That said, Obama is an excellent rhetorician who has little practically experience beyond a partial term in the United States Senate and time spent as an Illinois state legislator.
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Newman!,

04/06/2008 20:18:52
I realise and accept that every serious candidate for president absolutely must bow down and grovel to AIPAC, but it was pretty disappointing to see Obama threaten Iran today and more or less sell the Palestinian's down the river. Before he even takes office (maybe). Very sad.
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indune1,

Canada 04/06/2008 21:39:53

Hillary Clinton's speech last night, in my opinion, encapsulated all what is wrong with her as a politician and a presidential candidate which is her ego and lack of judgement.

Her speech was a mixture of the surreal and breath-taking arrogance. It was a fascinating melange of Clintonesque denial and inability to admit and accept defeat graciously.

Watching her last night was akin to watching a snake swallow a frog. A slow process that is on one hand disgusting and repugnant but on the other, morbidly fascinating.

Slick Willie seemed to be more interested in checking out the talent on stage!!! Plus ca change!

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Denise Groves,

Louisville 04/06/2008 21:47:55
McCain does not stand a snowballs chance of being elected. American's want change. He is too closely tied to Bush, and Clinton represents the current status quo
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Denise Groves,

Louisville 04/06/2008 21:49:53
I agree. She is classless and tasteless now. Now her own backers are jumping ship, so appalling did they find her speech.
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indune1,

Canada 04/06/2008 21:57:00

118 - Why, I do declare! Chocolate eclairs are Slick Willie's favourite sweet thing - aside from White House interns.
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Sandi,

San Diego 04/06/2008 22:15:44
One more ting, Obama is not really a "presumed nominee". That person is normally the candidate who has acquired the requied number of pledged delegates during the primary season. They are teh ones that are won in primaries and caucuses. Obama does not have that number of pledged delegates. That is what the 2118 or whatever it is today is all about. Neither Obama nor Hillary Clinton have that number. Both have to depend on superdelegates or, more correctly, automatic delegates, to make up the difference. These people can change their mind whenever they want up to the time they cast their vote at the Convention at the end of August. Who knows how many other skeletons are going to come out of teh Obama closet before then? Hillary doesn't need to concede yet, because Obama hasn't won yet, no matter how many times he tells you he has.

There is a video that the Republicans (Fox and Rove, as the story goes) have which shows Michelle Obama in a very, very bad light.Clinton supporters hope that it will surface before the Convention so that Hillary would be the nominee, Republicans want to keep it until after the Convention so that McCain will win in November. This video from all accounts will sink the Obama campaign like a stone. When I first heard about this a couple of weeks ago, I doubted its existence, but now some media people have supposedly seen it and are stunned.
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Yankee girl,

USA 04/06/2008 23:09:21
This has been one of the most interesting election years ever in the US. It's about time we had someone to vote for instead of against!
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Pazuzu,

04/06/2008 23:16:31
I think it would be a true reflection of the winds of change in America and American's should embrace a black President.

Just remember MLK, and the Dead Kennedy's tho, history mite repeat itself.

Ner-ner-ner-ner...knock knock...
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 23:24:44
I've read of this video that Sandi speaks of in 124. She claims the Republicans have it. But the fellow who is blogging about it is named Larry Johnson and he is a Democrat Clinton supporter.

Some say the video doesn't exist as it would've surfaced by now if it did. But somehow a transcript exists that Larry Johnson was promoting. Here's an article about Michelle Obama's Whitey tape.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=843

Let me tell you, there's been a lot of shady anti-Obama propaganda. There's been big articles printed up & distributed about Michelle's college thesis that did not say what the articles said it said. There's been articles about legislation sponsored by Obama that didn't do what the articles said it did. There's been people saying he's a communist plant. All kinds of ridiculous attacks without any merit whatsoever. They're distributed by emails, internet blogs, anonymous authors.
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indune1,

Canada 04/06/2008 23:28:53

129 - Great post.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 23:32:18
this is how it goes in American politics. entertaining, but dysfunctional to the core. Obama is the candidate of change and so everyone loves him. but the changes he seeks are ever so slight as to be negligent, irrelevant. Meanwhile the ISAF commander in Afghanistan said in Der Spiegel recently that he needs 400,000 troops to pacify Afghanistan. and Obama is all for expanding the Afghan war with more troops and going into Pakistan as well. And Obama supports continuing the Federal Reserve fraud as well meaning he won't do anything significant for the US economy. tweedle-dee tweedledum and everyone is fooled by the show. Thats why I'm a Ron Paul supporter. He said openly he'd pull all the troops home from all 70 countries the US has them in and delete the Federal Reserve. At the same time I at least recognize Obama pretends to be on our side. There's a very small chance he'll turn out like John Kennedy and then get killed for it. Thats what we're all hoping for.

The people of America are too stupid and dysfunctional to rule their own country. The people in your countries are the same.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 23:37:53
Yankee Girl in 129 - Clinton in 1992 promised changed too. He said he was going to get tough with the Chinese and not let them walk all over us in trade agreements. Then as president he signed all the trade treaties that his repugblican predecessor negotiated and on top of that he instituted the dollar peg where the US currency was propped up artificially to the Chinese currency thus favoring all chinese sourced goods & serves in the US economy over US-sourced goods & services by a very substantial margin. What Clinton did was suicide for the US economy. Of course GW Bush has continued the policy. Then Clinton gave the chinese all kinds of military-related technology including all the US know-how on nuclear weaponry. and this was after he ridiculed Bush in the 92 election for being too cozy to Chinea & promised prominently that he would get tough.

In America the lies are very large and they are centrally coordinated. Obama will either get himself killed by the CIA like Kennedy did or else the Americans will hate him so badly by the time he's done that they'll wish the CIA did kill him.

Remember, GW Bush said in 2000 that his highest priority in foreign policy was to proceed with humility and to always get consensus of allies before he did anything. GW Bush also said he'd put the social security tax revenue in a lock box for social security. But he now takes 40% of it each week and spends it on the war.
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Yankee girl,

USA 04/06/2008 23:39:52
132 - profound, was it? ;)
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indune1,

Canada 04/06/2008 23:40:29

133 - Wally ( what an appropriate moniker!)

The American people have proven to be the most patient, resilient and demanding of electorates. Its system has sometimes also proven to be one of the most open and investigative as witnessed by Watergate and Clinton/Lewinsky.

Your comments prove your point but in the most singular manner imaginable.
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indune1,

Canada 04/06/2008 23:42:40


135 - Yankee Lass! Profound and, as always, interesting.

How's your black lace knickers and is the Chardonnay still chilled?

Speaking of somethings to vote for!!!
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Sandi,

San Diego 04/06/2008 23:52:02
Wally,

Yes, Larry Johnson has been blogging about it, and he has said repeatedly that he does not have a copy. He knows several Republicans who all know about it and who has it, supposedly. It is not the same as all those pretty scurilous emails that have been floating about. There have been even more of them about Hillary Clinton. More information about the alleged tape was on this blog this morning:

http://www.hillbuzz.blogspot.com/
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indune1,

Canada 04/06/2008 23:57:39


Put the bottle down - now!

America produces many fine automobiles.

It is a fatuous statement that characterises an entire nation as fat and lazy.

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Yankee girl,

USA 04/06/2008 23:59:56
137 - Actually, it's black leather. But who's to say there isn't black lace underneath? ;)

Yep, 139 - I'm sittin' here on my big lazy b*tt, black leather n'all!
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indune1,

Canada 05/06/2008 00:09:02

141 - Yankee Lass - You are naughty!

However, any woman who possibly wears black lace knickers underneath black leather knickers is a force to be reckoned with!!

I like your style!!
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celtic4,

USA 05/06/2008 00:09:02
I have to say that Obama is not black. He is an American. White mother, black father, makes him if a label is needed bi-racial.
And I will not vote for him, rather taking my chance with McCain, who likely will not win due to his Party/Republican. People are basically fed up with the Republicans, so Obama could very possibly be our next President. All I can say is God help us and him!
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Yankee girl,

USA 05/06/2008 00:25:12
142 - Yeah, I believe in the belts and suspenders approach (black leather/lace)! Engineers always use a factor of safety.
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indune1,

05/06/2008 00:31:02

LOL!! Great to hear from from you again. You bring laughter, light and latitude to such a sometimes polarised site.

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Yankee girl,

USA 05/06/2008 00:52:26
146 - I miss coming on here and chatting with you. Sometimes things get a little weird on here, though. Life is too short to take things so seriously, no?
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indune1,

Canada 05/06/2008 01:00:51

Yankee Lass - Yep. You got that right. Life is for the taking and enjoying.

I enjoy and respect the views of those who post on this site. However, some are so far up their respective ar**holes that it defies comprehension.

They are the true wanke*s and need taking on.

Keep checking in. I miss our chats also.

Hmmm. Black leather, lace and Chardonnay. There is more than enough material for a writer there!!

Keep feeding me. Hugs and kisses.
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Yankee girl,

USA 05/06/2008 01:25:29
148 - LOL! Take care and I'll drop in again soon!!
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indune1,

Canada 05/06/2008 01:31:28

149 - Yankee lass - aye and the same tae yerself.

Have just finished listening to one of our (Canada's)greatest musicians, Gordon Lightfoot. His tune "Sit Down Young Stranger" basically is my own story.

Cheers and take care.
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indune1,

05/06/2008 01:52:33
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indune1,

05/06/2008 01:53:19
Oops. Finger problems!!
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Bemused and above it all,

05/06/2008 15:20:44
Will McCain win? Remember the manchurian candidate?

 

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