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Brown beefs up Scottish voice in Cabinet



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Published Date: 04 October 2008
SCOTLAND will once again have a full-time Secretary of State in the Cabinet, after Gordon Brown decided to beef up the role in the face of an SNP onslaught.
Jim Murphy, the MP for East Renfrewshire, will succeed Des Browne, whose dual role as Scottish and Defence Secretary was criticised. Mr Browne leaves the Cabinet as part of the reshuffle.

There was a surprise recall for Peter Mandelson, who quit the government twice under Tony Blair. He becomes the Business Secretary.

Mr Murphy, unlike his predecessor, will have no other responsibilities, allowing him to focus on the task of representing Scotland at Westminster and tackling the threat of a buoyant SNP. He said he was "very honoured to have a chance to serve in a UK Cabinet as a full-time Secretary of State for Scotland".

He added: "I am delighted to be following Des Browne. He did two big jobs very, very well. But I think there is a lesson to be learned, which is that Scotland is important, Scotland is crucial."

Mr Murphy went on: "It's right that Scotland has a full-time Secretary of State."

Sources close to the Prime Minister said last night that the move was a huge opportunity for Mr Murphy.

"Jim will be energetic and want to show what he can do. He will take Salmond on," one source said.

The Scotsman understands Mr Browne was offered a combined role as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and Scotland. However, Downing Street sources insisted that he was "tired" and ready to leave the government.

His departure to the back-benches, and possibly from parliament at the next election, comes despite heavy lobbying from military chiefs, who fear upheaval while the army is fighting wars on two fronts.

Yesterday, Mr Browne, the MP for Kilmarnock and Loudoun, issued a statement in which he expressed his sadness at leaving the Ministry of Defence and pledged loyalty to the Prime Minister.

Mr Browne, 56, said he had told Mr Brown "some months ago" that he intended to step down from the government next spring, which is when a draw-down of troops from Iraq is expected.

"Therefore, I fully understand why he has made the decisions that he has in this reshuffle," Mr Browne said. "I am proud of what I have achieved as Scotland's voice in the Cabinet and in renewing the relevance of the Scotland Office."

He cited legislation giving legal protection for Scotch whisky and establishing the Calman Commission on devolution as examples of the "real benefits" delivered for Scotland.

Mr Murphy, 41, entered parliament in the Labour landslide of 1997, capturing Eastwood – until then, the Tories' safest seat in Scotland. His seat, however, is a top Tory target at the next election.

The SNP described the reshuffle as "thoroughly botched". Angus Robertson, the party's Westminster leader, said Westminster was on to its third Secretary of State for Scotland since Alex Salmond became First Minister.

"Des Browne's departure shows just how much of a dog's dinner Gordon Brown has made of his reshuffle," he said. "It would have been far better to admit that the game is up for the Scotland Office – which is clearly just a publicly funded campaigning vehicle for the Labour Party.

"This is another missed opportunity to accept the new political framework in these islands."

However, David Mundell, the shadow Scottish secretary, welcomed the decision to make the Scotland Office a stand-alone Cabinet post.

But he had a dig at Mr Murphy, saying: "Staggeringly, the complete opposite of Mr Brown's quip that this 'is no time for novices' now seems to apply to his Scotland Office."

Mr Mundell added: "However, I am pleased that the unsuitable combination of the Scotland and defence jobs has been ended. The defence job is too much to combine with other responsibilities, and Des Browne sometimes could not fulfil requirements to represent Scotland."

The Murphy appointment was welcomed by Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, who said he looked forward to working with him. "We welcome the fact Scotland will once again have a full-time voice in the UK Cabinet," he said.

Liz Cameron, chief executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, also hailed the appointment of Mr Murphy.

>BULLETS
A new YouGov poll, released today, puts David Cameron's party on 45 per cent, enough to secure a handsome General Election victory and up one point from a similar poll last month. Labour rose seven points, to 31 per cent, but seemed to have made most gains from the Lib Dems, who slumped five points to 15 per cent.

A separate ICM poll found the Conservatives up one point to 42 per cent and Labour down two on 30 per cent.

The two surveys were conducted after the end of the Conservative Party conference in Birmingham.

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  • Last Updated: 03 October 2008 11:51 PM
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yoric,

04/10/2008 00:27:27
What about a secretary of state for England? perhaps we could have one in the Scottish Government.
We get precious little representation from our English Westminster MPs.
Labour will NEVER VOLUNTARILY give up Scotland, because if they do then they will never win Westminster again.
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Niknaks,

04/10/2008 00:32:33
Fffff! Lord Mandelson of Old Compton Street....
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Weegiewarbler,

Afloat 04/10/2008 00:36:15
Reading between the lines, and using a bit of thought to see what was REALLY said..


Mr Murphy, unlike his predecessor, will have no other responsibilities, allowing him to focus on the task of representing Scotland at Westminster and tackling the threat of a buoyant SNP.

1. Why does Scotland need a Scotland Office - it has it's own parliament, England does not. Surely there should be an England office - or English assembly?
2. Why is Wetmister "threatened" by a duly elected government. It wouls seem to coincide with the "tanks in the streets" mentality whereby "Anything to preserve the union!"
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I think there is a lesson to be learned, which is that Scotland is important, Scotland is crucial."

Yes - Without it Labour would be politically and fiscally bankrupt - and they're heading that way anyway?
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Mr Murphy went on: "It's right that Scotland has a full-time Secretary of State."

Why - Isn't it time for an English one? - Again - WE have a Parliament - England (apparently) does not.
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"Jim will be energetic and want to show what he can do. He will take Salmond on," one source said.

Really - Bit confrontational for two democratically elected governments - Labour scores yet another own goal. Even basic pschycology is missing from this one?
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Yesterday, Mr Browne, the MP for Kilmarnock and Loudoun, issued a statement in which he expressed his sadness at leaving the Ministry of Defence and pledged loyalty to the Prime Minister.

Not sorry to see the back of Scotland though? - Or just the detsetable way the land has been treated finally weighing upon the concience?
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He cited legislation giving legal protection for Scotch whisky and establishing the Calman Commission on devolution as examples of the "real benefits" delivered for Scotland.

Interesting - the Calman commission - a real benefit for Scotland? - Obviously he appears to have advance knowledge of the contents of their final
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the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 04/10/2008 00:38:55
Can anyone tell me what Part Timer Browne actually did for Scotland in his whole time ?

Or what this new Secretary will do ?

Take on Salmond ? How very democratic of Westminster.

I thought they were listening to what people wanted.

Hahahahah
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Weegiewarbler,

Afloat - more than labour? 04/10/2008 00:39:53
Continued

Yesterday, Mr Browne, the MP for Kilmarnock and Loudoun, issued a statement in which he expressed his sadness at leaving the Ministry of Defence and pledged loyalty to the Prime Minister.

Not sorry to see the back of Scotland though? - Or just the detsetable way the land has been treated finally weighing upon the concience?
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He cited legislation giving legal protection for Scotch whisky and establishing the Calman Commission on devolution as examples of the "real benefits" delivered for Scotland.

Interesting - the Calman commission - a real benefit for Scotland? - Obviously he appears to have advance knowledge of the contents of their final report?
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"This is another missed opportunity to accept the new political framework in these islands."

One has to agree with the statement above, as two democratically elected governments acting in opposition instigated by one is likely to achieve only the aims of the other.

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Mr Mundell added: "However, I am pleased that the unsuitable combination of the Scotland and defence jobs has been ended. The defence job is too much to combine with other responsibilities, and Des Browne sometimes could not fulfil requirements to represent Scotland."

The Conservative view - defence of a tin pot dictatorship (what else can one call a political organization that works to overthrow an elected government in another nation) rates a mention - whereas the nation under "attack" does NOT.
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The Murphy appointment was welcomed by Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, who said he looked forward to working with him. "We welcome the fact Scotland will once again have a full-time voice in the UK Cabinet," he said.

Liz Cameron, chief executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, also hailed the appointment of Mr Murphy.

That's correct Mr. Murphy, Ms. Cameron. But perhaps his / her title will soon be "ambassador" - Time and the Scots shall tell.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 04/10/2008 00:52:08
The main question that's been asked by a few posters is worth repeating:

WHY ISN'T THERE AN ENGLISH SECRETARY OF STATE?

Isn't this the same position as a colonial Governor-General of old? Even Tony Blair didn't think there should be a secretary of state for Scotland. Even he recognised that the Scottish Parliament was enough to serve the people of Scotland.

And has Murphy really been appointed to "take on Salmond?" If this is admitted in public by Labour (instead of suspect Scotsman 'sources') then this would be disgraceful. Holyrood reserved matters are the business of MSPs, not M(Westminster)Ps. If this is truly to be the case, then it's a travesty for democracy and for taxpayers who have to pay more for a minister whose use is questionable, as well as controversial.

Brown has revived a role that Labour may come to regret when the Tories are back in power in Westminster, very soon.
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Bring it Off,

UK 04/10/2008 01:06:11
Welcome Jimmy - now BRING IT ON - don't worry if thatnasty Mr Salmond and the Scottish electorate beat you up that nice Mr. Mandelson will always be there for you to give you some comfort.

ENGLISH SEC OF STATE FOR SCOTTISH PARLIMENT NOW
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Bring it Off,

UK 04/10/2008 01:15:36
Do you think Mandelson got a mortgage from HBOS or even Northern Rock?
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/10/2008 01:36:27
A good appointment. I have known Jim Murphy since his student days - we were in fact in opposite wings of the Labour Party. Always a hard-working individual and the sort of person you could trust as I found when I worked with him. Never a back-stabber - if Jim was going to knife you it was from the front. He has very sound credentials having being raised in South Africa and being a solid supporter of the ANC.

The one issue I do disagree with him is Israel where he has , shall we say, moderated his views since his student days, when he was very pro-Palestinian.

I doubt he'll make the mistakes that Cairns or Browne made regards the SNP - he'll play a waiting game and attack only whn he knows he can win.

In general terms it seems that Gordon Brown has given in - just witness the promotion of the Blairites in this reshuffle. Big rumour is that Blair is back himself pulling a few strings in the background - he couldn't do a Salmond - could he?
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Edward,

04/10/2008 01:41:49
Telling remark '"Jim will be energetic and want to show what he can do. He will take Salmond on," one source said' The usual unamed source!
But isnt the post of Secretary of State for Scotland supposed to represent Scottish interests in Westminster and not political interests? Isnt the post supposed to assist in liasing between the two governments and not point scoring for Labour?
The Secretary of State for Scotland can only and should only be working with the Scottish Government in helping on matters that are not devolved, such as defence and foreign affairs. That isnt actually going to take up that much time, so what will Jim Murphy do with the other free days?
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Edward,

04/10/2008 01:48:06
#11 The Federalist
'he'll play a waiting game and attack only whn he knows he can win'
So that will be a few minutes after Old Nick starts complaining of the cold as Hell freezes over then!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/10/2008 01:58:32
#13 Want a wee bet on it Edward?

Murphy is no mug - believe me.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 04/10/2008 02:07:36
Federalist

We taxpayers don't pay ministers to play games. He's been given a full-time ministerial salary to represent Scotland in reserved Westminster matters. All of Scotland.

Is Iain Gray & co. not capable of effective opposition in the Holyrood without the help of a SoS from Westminster? Maybe Brown thinks not.
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Edward,

04/10/2008 02:12:26
#14
Murphy might be no mug, but he has been sold a dodgy deal by Brown
Its all about focus
Focusing in on what matters and for this particular post, its about representing Scotlands interests at cabinet level on matters such as defence and foreign matters, those that are not devolved and that even means liasing and working with the Scottish Government.
But if he is asked to focus instead some idealogical political stance to attack or not work with the Scottish Government due to the Scottish Government being of a different party, then he will have lost. If Murphy is as clever as you make out, he will realise this. Des Browne tried and failed to do Gordon Browns beckoning as it was all about trying to get at the Scottish Government after the May elections.
The actual post doesnt really have much relevance these days as Scotland is doing rather well as it is without the interference of this particular Westminster department
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somerferg,

perth 04/10/2008 02:31:37
Crumbs from the master's table - no thanks.
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/10/2008 02:32:33
So Maggie Broon has appointed a new Colonial Governor for Scotland.

He just doesn't want to accept that the position of Colonial Governor, and his Office, is an archaic anachronism, and has no place in relation to a 21st century Scotland.

As for the rest of his reshuffle, the old adage about shifting the deckchairs on the Titanic comes to mind.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/10/2008 02:34:59
#16 I doubt he will be do as Brown beckons - as you put it - he is no Brownite.

A wee bit of background to tell you the sort of person he is. Murphy's first elected position was as Area Convenor for the West of Scotland NUS. Now you would think that was a shoe-in for a Labour candidate but when Murphy stood it was a real stronghold of the Militant Tendency. Murphy won by stealth, winning over people who were not natural Labour supporters but who empathised with him personally. He was a naturally gregarious individual when you got to know him - we had our disagreements - but he would tell you to your face his views - unlike some of the others on the greasy pole (and I can name a few!!). That's why he was elected twice as NUS Scotland President and was the first Scot since Neil Stewart to be NUS UK president. Win friends and influence people is very much his approach.

When he won the safest Tory seat in Scotland eveyone expected him to lose it the next election - but he did not. He actually increased his majority through sheer hard work - over 1200 surgeries in his first term. He also pioneered the street surgery where he went out, listened to and helped his constituents.

He is not your usual Scottish Labour politician - he does not rely on the West of Scotland mafia for his seat - that is very much a good thing in my opinion.
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donald,

glasgow 04/10/2008 03:50:05
#1 Murphy is an ancient Scottish name. They were hereditary bards to the MacDonalds and fought at Bannockburn. Their name became, Murdhoch, Murchie, MacMurchie, Murchieson, Curran, Murdoch, etc.

This Murphy is a disgrace to the name; Scotland, Ireland and Glasgow Celtic, along with his Team GB Celtic Board and Labour Catholic Mafia, to the right of the Rangers Orange Labour Mafia.

He was a student careerist Brit spy, politician, who helped disband the Scottish Union of Students for the British National Union of Students, former Spy front "Irish Freedom Movement", which hung along with all the other London based "Irish" fronts.

His chum and Liddelite, Frank Roy, Labour MP, was once in the "Crossmaglen Republican Flute Band", based Craigneuk, Lanarkshire, which doubled up as the 'John MacLean RFB) before turning traitor, with Jim Murphy and co. Both are friends of the Loyalist Labour Unionist Celtic Boarders.

Jim is suited for the, soon to be defunct, Anti Scottish Office based in Ben Dover Hoose, London, Engerland.
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donald,

glasgow 04/10/2008 03:51:04
Brown beefs up Derek Mandelson.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 04/10/2008 03:51:54
#1 - poor posting.

Murphy is one of the more effective Scottish labour politicians out there and I would envisage he is more potent than two jobs Browne.

The question is why has it taken a resurgent SNP to make labour focus on this position - it seems if you want change in Scotland vote SNP.

Shame for Jim he will be out on his backside come the next election as the people of Eastwood, like most others, will vote for anyone but labour.

Too little too late from a reactionary Brown, Britain's worst ever PM.
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Bring it Off,

UK 04/10/2008 04:29:06
Not splendid news
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Kenny A,

04/10/2008 06:42:07
Secetary of State for trying to take on Salmond sounds closer to the mark.
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Boy Wonder,

04/10/2008 06:42:33
Doesn't Broon realise he's alienating his home country by continuing with this unnecessary post??

Ah well ... it still isn't gonna do them any good!
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John S,

04/10/2008 06:49:53
David Cairns resigns as the Minister of State for Scotland.Sept 16 2008
Jim Murphy appointed full-time Secretary of State for Scotland.4 Oct 2008
Is this just a coincidence or maybe David should have waited ?
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Finnzz,

Offshore 04/10/2008 07:00:22
So, right from the start a confrontational attitude is to be developed between Westminster and Holyrood.
I really do not think that Brown is aware of how this will be construed in Scotland.

The increasing levels of support for the SNP in Scotland confirm that Independance is now a certainty unless the existing status quo can be shown to be a better alternative.

This beligerent attitude from Brown is not the way to go.
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Angleland Isover,

04/10/2008 07:01:18
#20 Reminds me of 1820. When things in north britain are looking troublesome send in the spies.
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Thomas1,

// 04/10/2008 07:01:59
Get a grip even a blind man can see that this is a stunt to try and undermine Alex Salmond.
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Darien,

Panama 04/10/2008 07:15:18
"Scotland is important, Scotland is crucial."

Aye, like Norway was crucially important to Germany during WWII. Like Ukraine might be crucially important to Russia. These unionists (aka British Nationalists) are so condescending. Scotland is important and crucial, aye, but first and foremost to the people who live there and who seek improved governance, and a better economy and society. These are far more important to Scots than perpetuating any damn one-sided union with another nation for 'UK strategic' reasons. All NewLab can do is bicker and fight against an elected Government in Scotland. How pathetic and traitorous can these Anglo-Scots be. Scotland's history will show them to be what they are - Quislings and fools.
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Angleland Isover,

04/10/2008 07:23:24
No country with so much to lose will give up on a union without employing every dirty trick within their means.Beware.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 07:24:05
As SNP seem unwilling to do a U turn on the debacle that the trams have become in Edinburgh, following their rubber stamping the project, perhaps Mr Murphy can find a way to make Westminster work in this area to evaluate the benifits of stopping the folly now?
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murphyis for murphyandnoonelse,

usa 04/10/2008 07:27:38
I guess you'd have to have been there. Several years ago, as a student wanting to defend the right to a free education, I remember the depths to which this political parasite, Jim Murphy, as president of the National Union of Students, could sink. We heard rumours that he had been promised to represent a safe Labour seat if he towed the then government line of introducing student loans, rather than grants. This has all come true. He marched alongside student in Leeds who were supporting the right for poor and working class students to continue to receive grants, while at the same time he toured the country pushing union leaders to be "realistic" and move to support the idea of new Labour loans not grants. Murphy, you are nothing more than an obnoxious smelling substance that we scrape off our shoes once in a while. Unfortunately, you are in government, reinforcing the idea that our politicians are self-serving low-life. You should be ashamed of your self. I doubt that you even think about more than your own ego and paycheck.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/10/2008 07:33:21
#20 Do you make this up as you go along?

"He was a student careerist Brit spy, politician, who helped disband the Scottish Union of Students for the British National Union of Students"

The Scottish Union of Students merged with the Scottish section of the NUS in 1971. Unless Mr Murphy was a child progidy - he was 4 at the time - I don't believe he would have had much to do with that.

But you are probably so deluded you believe this cack.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/10/2008 07:37:51
#34 Safe labour seat?

Eastwood was the safest Tory seat in Scotland and Murphy was not expected to win.

You sound like another middle-class trotskyite t o s s e r who played at student politics because mummy and daddy had the money - SWP by any chance? Or Socialist Organiser? Left Unity (aka Left Lunacy)?
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bawcus,

benthehoose 04/10/2008 07:37:53
Scotland does not need a Secretary of State as it has a First Minister of Scottish Parliament! The appointment of Mr. Murphy [of the Macdonald Murphies]is to get Scots to toe the the New Lieberite line and kow tow to Westminster! No chance Mr. Broon.

The appointment of Mandelson says it all. The approval of the self server and purveyor of dodgy practice. Why not appoint Bendy Wendy as she has only had to resign once!
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notime4anovice,

glasgow 04/10/2008 07:50:06
He looks and sounds as creepy as Mandelson.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 04/10/2008 07:57:26
None of this will be necesary once we make the logical move into a Federation of GB (&I?)
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11+failed,

the pans 04/10/2008 08:19:42
How long will it be before Mandelson is caught out in a third scam and gets the boot to spend more time with his boyfriend?
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Mikey,

04/10/2008 08:20:21
#33, revisionism doesn't suit you! Just who voted in favour of the trams? Remind us, will you? Gawd, even the lies are no good now!

Typical Labourite. Lie, lie and lie again and hope that the plebs are too stupid to notice!
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Ananurhing,

04/10/2008 08:24:57
So Browne cites his successes at the SO as, legal protection for Scots whisky!
i.e. To protect westminster's revenue stream.
And the Calman Collusion!
i.e. To protect westminster's revenue stream!
So nothing FOR Scotland then. Look up Comprador in the dictionary.

Where for Browne now! He's not going to slip away quietly. To the back benches for a while, to plan on doing either a Mandy, or a Foulkesy!
You can see his top lip curl whenever someone mentions Salmond's name.
Interesting how many facial tics Salmond induces in labour's front line. Broon, Broone, Alexander, and of course Invincible Ian! (I still can't believe he said that.)

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Ananurhing,

04/10/2008 08:29:48
#33 Graham H

Do you actually believe what you write. If you're simply trolling, you're not very good at it.
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Marga,

Fife 04/10/2008 08:30:46
Federalist and others:
Why don't the devolved governments get to appoint their own "representatives" to the Cabinet? Logical, isn't it? Anything else, and especially this appointed to confront nonsense, is surreal and would not be believed in any other country. Federalist, however noble Mr Murphy may be, his new task is as Hammer of the Scots. Do you think he'll do it well?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 08:43:52
#31 Darien

What a scary, insulting little creature you are.
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Ananurhing,

04/10/2008 08:45:11
It is clear and unequivocal now that the position of Scottish Secretary is there to stymie the democratically elected Scottish Govt. This is undemocratic, and is the very democratic anomaly devolution was meant to address.
Salmond's gone through three Scottish labour leaders, and three Scottish Secretaries now. I don't think this political Schmurphy will worry him too much!
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A Scott,

Newton Mearns 04/10/2008 08:51:18
Its all right for you lot but MP Jim is my MP and a total numphty.
He is always interfering in devolved matters especially Education, which is a bit rich coming from a man who dropped out of Glasgow Uni without any qualifications he has absolutly no experience of life outside the Labour party and will do exactly what Mrs Broon tells him. He does not have an original thought in his head. He is against the £400m rebate for Scotland because he was told to be against it .
He loves the media and when he married a proddy he invited the press to the Church to show how unbiased he was.....The man is a w...er.
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james 1st,

hamilton NZ 04/10/2008 09:00:05
#11 the federalist
might have known that you would be a labour numpty
the scottish office is not there to attack scotland nor to attack the legally elected government in scotland. recently salmond has been accused of picking fight with westminster, the national govenment has now stated apparently that it will look to attack the scottish government, shouldnt be surprised that you would approve of this
i see that you resort to name calling and steroetyping in some of your post above as you have on other threads this usually shows a lack of good arguments
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GM,

04/10/2008 09:03:42
@43

he doesn't get much of a response on his tram posts since they are so transparent...

scores -0.1 out of 10 on the trollometer because he only managed to illicit a few posts telling him he was a troll...

0 for originality
0 for number of responses before being exposed as a troll
0 for 'stealth'
-0.1 for being exposed as a troll before any flamewar erupted
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scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 04/10/2008 09:07:20
#33,the SNP did not rubberstamp the trams as you put it.they were forced to the north british brigade of LIBLIARTORY LOT.please get your facts right before you spout off.Typicle garbage from the libliartorys,why tell the truth when an untruth can work just as well.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 09:25:38
The Office of Secretary of State for Scotland in the UK Cabinet is still necessary. However, the respected Jim Murphy has been handed a tall order if he believes he can somehow reverse the present Nationalist roll.!

Someone of Jim Murphy's calibre is needed at Holyrood because Eck will eat Iain Gray for breakfast!

At present, the Scots Unionist parties have no big-hitters.

The Labour Party in Scotland is still in shock after last year's election results and the Alexander scandal, the Lib-Dems are anonymous as usual, and the unelectable Scots Tories are still treated like low caste political Dalits.
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jdships,

04/10/2008 09:29:55
This so called "reshuffle" smacks of desperation on GB's part.
Mandelson , Beckett, Hoon - "tried and found guilty " five years ago so what fresh ideas are they going to bring to the Cabinet table ?
Any bet's on when Mandelson will resign ?
" ........allowing him to focus on the task of representing Scotland at Westminster and tackling the threat of a buoyant SNP. "
Am not an SNP supporter but surely at this time the last thing we need is confrontation between Holyrood and Westminster.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 09:30:58
This is a waste of taxpayers money as his primary function wull be to attack the Scottish Government and SNP at all times.

Again GrahamH doesnt realise that the SNP never wanted the trams and was forced to pay for them by the combined opposition parties at Holyrood.
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Dick Lynas,

Glasgow 04/10/2008 09:35:09
I must be one of the few folk who saw the point of a part time Scottish Secretary as devolution was bedded in and then rolled out further - with the expectation that eventually there would be no need at all for a Scottish Secretary.
One moment the Labour Party is talking about extending the powers of the Scottish Parliament, the next moment they are appointing a full time Scottish Secretary. Perhaps they are going to REDUCE the powers of the Scottish Parliament. If not, what will Jim Murphy be doing with his time - especially if there is further devolution? Getting ready to replace Helen Liddell? Go on then - how many of you could tell me what SHE is doing these days?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 09:36:49
The Scotsman understands Mr Browne was offered a combined role as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and Scotland. However, Downing Street sources insisted that he was "tired" and ready to leave the government. Not so the truth is...

As a resident in a very posh part of Edinburgh, Mr Browne is wanting to spend more time in his very marginal local constituency of Kilmarnock.
55

Ananurhing,

04/10/2008 09:53:54
#54 Dick

Is she not wandering around Canberra in a feathery pith helmet! Trying to fend off independence for the natives?
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Wynn,

CLYDESDALE 04/10/2008 09:55:40
Is there not a wee touch of desperation career-wise "both in him what giveth and him what receiveth?"
Nonappointments include....
Overseas Development...Secy-State for Ireland....(and now we have our own Parliament's leadership gaining ever increasing powers in the U.K. and recognition on the international scene.)...Westminster's Scottish Office?
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 04/10/2008 10:04:12
I think the main news is really about Mandelson....

Gordon Brown is steadily adding to his albatross collection.

Considering their various and sometimes diametric leanings I am surprised that Gordon Brown is so keen on having Peter Mandelson hanging around his neck.

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blackley,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 10:07:36
Has everyone sobered up yet? Good then I'll begin. This is an excellent appointment. Murphy is not a novice - he's been an MP for 10 years for heaven's sake! As for #1 - that is an offensive remark sir and one you would not dare to repeat to my face.
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Indy Evolution,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 10:22:10
Secretary of State for Scotland.
Scottish Office.
Calman Commission.

What a waste of tax payers money. Scotland kept at arms length again. The Calman Commission is another exercise in futility. What is the point? Desperate stuff.

The Union is slipping away because people don't feel that their interests are best represented from Westminster. These things just show how out of touch with whats going on Westminster is.
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brownlie,

04/10/2008 10:40:01
59 blackley

"This is an excellent appointment"?

Have a look at Jim Murphy's voting record and tell us how this reflects the wishes and aspirations of the Scottish electorate.

Can you see anything in his voting record that the majority of Scots would approve of?
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TWC,

Ayrshire 04/10/2008 10:56:01
Yes I see this appointment as an attack on the Holyrood and more New Labour underhandedness. I fear I will have to vote for one of the Socialist parties or SNP: in fact anybody BUT Labour.
It's almost like changing religion or leaving home for the first time. I am so sick of the actions of Brown and New Labour.
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notime4anovice,

glasgow 04/10/2008 11:11:38
He'll fit quite well into the Cabinet.
He's never had a proper job ( apart from as a part time waiter while at University )
He helped to scrap student grants while president of the NUS.
He supports the new EU reform treaty and claims it's not the old constitution ( despite German and French and Spanish and Irish and Polish governments saying that it is.)
So basically he knows nothing, he has done nothing and he can say black is white while keeping a straight face.
Wee Alex must be terrified of facing him.
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Calum10,

04/10/2008 11:15:21
Scotland doesn't need enemies when we have the Labour party.

Jim Murphy will do exactly as he is told to do by No.10, and that is to talk down Scotland.
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Stop buy Scotsman,

04/10/2008 11:32:44
#63 is corrected Jim Murphy has excellent track record of voting with the Government and that because he is WEAK with no mind of his own. His only skill is how to develop his own personal career and that is all. That is why he got this job as he will do what he is told. At the next election there is no doubt he will be vote out and once he is out of public office people will not remember him. Alex Salmond will laughing at him.
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madrab,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 11:53:37
Yet another snout in the trough, oink oink oink!

Still he can't be any more useless than the last guy, can he?
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TWC,

Ayrshire 04/10/2008 11:57:45
Don't tell me any more about New Labour Murphy, Mandy, Beckett, Gray, Disnae Kerr - they are ruining Labour and you are spoiling my Saturday.
Don't forget that without OLD Labour we'd still be in the poor house, that doesn't justify New Labour I admit.

Off topic apparently Angela Merkle(spelling?) says short selling would have been illegal in Europe if British Government hadn't vetoed it
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 11:59:43
#70 British and proud

I thought Murphy and McDonalds were chummy? Mind you, they're well suited to each other, both sell a sh*te product that's dangerous if consumed to excess.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 04/10/2008 12:06:32
Re-making the Scots secretary job full-time is just a sop fot the worried ranks of Scottish Labour MPs . The most reactionary clique in the Best Club in London.
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tommy M,

04/10/2008 12:08:22
he will "take Salmond on" will he?

Nice to see the north britain liebour party so keen to represent the SCOTTISH interest and work WITH our democratically elected First Minister.

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Pilrig,

Livingston 04/10/2008 12:11:43
Murphy's career so far: student, went into student politics, became pres of NUS. Became an MP, became a minor minister. Now Secretary of State for Scotland.
All this without ever doing an everyday job or work ( a bit like his boss, in fact).
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cataibh,

Over the Struie 04/10/2008 13:04:27
#5 The unionist parties will lie, lie and offer more lies that it protects The Union its a lie they are protecting their own interests. The only people to benefit from the union are the unionist parties and their hangers on. Without the union the tory party in Scotland would go into oblivion and the labour party would never again be a political force in England and as for the lib dems they would be no more than a protest party and may won the odd bye election.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 04/10/2008 13:10:06
WHEN IS OUR NATION EVER GOING TO BE GIVEN BACK ITS BASIC DEMOCRATIC RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHO ARE THE ELECTED PEOPLE TO REPRESENT THEM ?
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Alastair the First,

04/10/2008 13:11:19
I probably shouldn't laught at that last comment, but I did...
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Alastair the First,

04/10/2008 13:12:03
...I meant the Famine commnet. unPC but hit the spot.
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Alastair the First,

04/10/2008 13:12:56
Murphy's law. If something can go wrong, it will. Hmm, seems rather appropriate.
77

Pilrig,

Livingston 04/10/2008 13:42:29
77 & 81 - re comments aboot the Famine Song. At least we know from where you pair are coming from.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 04/10/2008 13:45:39
another faux pas by Brown,and I think by making such a decision he is showing that he is getting the wind up
though what is happening in Scotland,
it is time Brown was put out to grass,I'm sure that would be best for everybody,he look more like the old cigar store Indian we used to see in old western movies
all stiff brainless and wooden!
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bluehead,

edinburgh 04/10/2008 13:52:26
if what I have seen of the people who will be running America,is the best they can dig up,then all I can say is that instead of 'God bless America' it will be God help America,what a pile,!!!!!!1
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vimto,

04/10/2008 14:17:47
85. In case you didn't know,we are not concerned with America,this is about the new scottish secretary!
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Darien,

Panama 04/10/2008 14:52:36
#45 Draco

Do you have a point to make?
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vimto,

04/10/2008 15:01:19
77. What exactly would he be scared of,and please don't say the snp,that is laughable.
83

TWC,

Ayrshire 04/10/2008 15:42:58
88. Vimto I don't like the Famine ref in 77 but I am certainly scared of SNP because with New Labour policies we are stuffed in Scotland. We need control of our money and a swift return to Scottish policies.
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Labour HQ,

Anti-Spin Dept 04/10/2008 15:43:52
Murphy is a monkey who does what he is told or what he thinks is best for his career.

Look at his voting record...look what he did as president of NUT. He has no pricipals and is a sell out merchant if he thinks it will move his career forward.

I worked with him at Eastwood and believe me he is a snake with a smile.

But I suspect this is the begining of the end for the Monkey as the Organ Grinder tries to play his last tune.

This is a political post but it is too little too late and as a novice Murphy will be no match for Salmond and the SNP and as for continuing as MP for Eastwood after the next election...let's just say his coat is on a shoogley peg!
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 04/10/2008 16:39:50
what will the SOSFS actually do .When he works with his colleagues of New Labour he will be going against the will of the Scottish people.The SNP will not work with him unless it is to their advantage which will upset Mr Brown. GB can always cry on Pater's shoulder, or more.
Yet another Brown mistake ,.....the sooner he goes the better for everyone
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 16:56:42
#87 Darien

Letting you know you're a person with scary views who insults his, I presume, fellow citizens was my point. And if you can't see why, that's what makes you scary.
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Western Gael,

04/10/2008 17:25:28
Des Brown made a right dog’s breakfast of both his Defence and Scottish jobs before his tenure mercifully came to an end. What’s this new lad going to do for Scotland, other than continue to sweep up Gordo’s trail of broken crockery?
88

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/10/2008 17:37:03
"48 james 1st,hamilton NZ 04/10/2008 09:00:05
#11 the federalist
might have known that you would be a labour numpty"

I left the Labour Party almost 14 years ago. try reading what I said.

Oh and I still stand by what I posted earlier - you are an anti-semitic little s 4 i t.
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santa cova,

London 04/10/2008 18:10:22
# 77 Salem..... I think this latest appointment by the prime minister of England to the serfs of Scotlland is a direct reply to the Scottish loyalist racists and anti_Catholic bigots.Your famine song has been answered.The prime minister of England has appointed a decendent of those who perished in the Irish famine,to rule over you,and you appear to have got what you deserved.Well done Gordon Brown,you surely put the orange bigots in their place.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 04/10/2008 18:42:07
95 santa cova#

Nice to see England repealing it's laws on Catholics finally. What a backward country you are, only taken 400 years.

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Darien,

04/10/2008 18:48:09
#92
I don't insult anyone. Many of our more illuminated fellow citizens are quite comfortable with independence. Its only you UK/BritNat folks who don't believe we Scots can cut it in the big bad world out there. You need to ask - why is that? I know for sure that the Scots can cut it in the big bad world. Its your type who don't believe in our own ability. Its your type who has the inferiority complex - you unionist apologists for a nation.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 19:53:06
#97 Darien

I rest my case. So sure of your belief that any Scot who dares to have an alternative opinion as to the future of the country must be a 'traitor'. It IS scary that people with attitudes like yours might be beside me on the bus, harbouring their sad wee delusions that they're somehow 'superior' in their Scottishness. I certainly don't need to prove how Scottish I am to the likes of you.
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Bejjy,

04/10/2008 20:39:23
#97 Darien

Right son, tell me what abilities you have got to make you a better Scot than me and then tell me what you have done in your lifetime to make your fellow Scots proud of you?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 04/10/2008 21:51:12
I notice that the only time both Murphy and Des Browne have rebelled againsts the government are on the 'Catholic' issus such as embryology and abortion.

It's ok to vote for war though as both toe the line dutifully.

I have become fairly sceptical over the past few years of Scottish/Irish Catholic MPs, all can't talk enough about their beloved Ireland but seem to hate the idea of Scottish independence, anyone care to explain?
95

Nevsky,

Moscow 04/10/2008 21:52:15
I don't put that out as a sectarian statemtn, just curious why they defend Irish independence but are against Scottish independence?
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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 22:35:29
103 They dont support Irish Independence.If they did ,they would be objecting to their governments interference in the affairs of the north east of Ireland,as do 87% of the people living on the island of Ireland. They may appear to be supporting Irish unity,but when you scratch the surface you are more than likely to find a true Brit there. However it is worth remembering that the founding fathers of Irish Republicanism were all of the Protestant faith,as was the founding father of the F*nian movement,one James Stephens.
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livilion,

livingston 04/10/2008 22:39:54
#98 Draco Was a Wimp

If you are so proud of your 'Scottishness' why do insist that neither you or any of us are up to the job of running our own country and need the next door neighbours to do it for us?

Do you define your Scottishness as your ability to put on a Rab C accent and get blootered or run about in a kilt with nae drawers and get blootered?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 04/10/2008 22:44:40
#105 livilion

Who are these "next door neighbours" you speak of?

And can I presume that when you use the word "us", you mean Scots? To you, everyone else is "not us", right?

(The anti-Englishness on these threads gets more obvious by the day.)
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 04/10/2008 22:48:23
#31 Darien

Re: "damn one-sided union with another nation"

You're a case in point.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/10/2008 23:51:32
106, AMtwa, your fixation with perceived "anti-Englishness" is becoming a f e t i s h, I fear.

Would you not rather look at pictures of naughty women?

Guess the naughty word according to nanny automaton moderator?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/10/2008 23:53:35
Oi, Scotsman! Is this a site for adults or what?

Your e f fi n g automaton is like a milk monitor. Would you please let adults post adult words?
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livilion,

livingston 05/10/2008 00:53:05
106 AM2
'We Scots' live in Scotland or claim Scot's descent, those who don't are not Scots.

(Anyone who comes here and wants to make a positive contribution to their community is welcome in my book to call themself Scottish.)

Why would you have a problerm with that?

Your contrived anti-anti-Englishness gets more pathetic in its straw clutching every day.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 07:31:43
Livilion

I have no problem whatsoever with the SNP's official line on anyone living in Scotland being entitled to consider themselves a Scot. I moved here myself! Such a position demonstrates the inherent superiority of "civic" form of nationalisms over ethnic varieties.

I would temper that by noting that the SNP also endorses a fair degree of "cultural" nationalism which rather undermines their supposed good intentions - but that's rather off topic so I won't go into detail.

But do you seriously expect me to believe that the constant references by nationalists on forums such as this to "our interfering neighbours" or "being ruled by another nation" refer not to anti-English resentment but to the UK parliament? Pull the other one...
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livilion,

livingston 05/10/2008 14:15:20
112 AM2,

You've chosen to censor my comments @#110 about my family and in-laws being English, I suppose these don't fit with your British nationalist predjudices?

What is the problem with being aware of you own culture and being proud of it? No-one is claiming it is superior to anyone else's, only that it is ours most of us enjoy it and helps define who we are.
You would have a problem supporting Team GBR at the Olympics, or singing along at the Last Night of the Proms perhaps?

Then again it does suit your purpose to muddy the waters a bit, a tactic as old as politics itself, but in this context I find it getting a wee bit tiresome and obvious after having had to listen to it for decades.

I and the overwhelming majority who are supportive of Scottish nationalism are opposed to the British ethnic nationalism you would seem to me to base your predjudices on.
I assure you we are perfectly comfortable with our adopted compatriots from whatever ilk even, gasps, England.

How else would you explain the number of those born in England, to take that one example, in the ranks of the SNP, represented up to the highest levels of government?

I suspect you are basing your views on the pantomime carryings-on surrounding international football matches. I would point out that in England there is much stronger antipathy between Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal supporters etc and their Premiership rivals every weekend. It adds spice to the competition.
In fairness, from the amount of time you spend on the computor I expect that the world of sport is anathema to you.

No, we(I) do not hate English people, why should we? We(I) probably don't even hate the English(Eritish)Establishment any more than 'the English' do.

We do love Scotland(I hope but cannot be sure I include yourself), do love 'the Scots' although some Scots I could see far enough, 5million of us are not all going to see eye to eye.

We(I) think that it is not unreasonable that we as a n
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livilion,

livingston 05/10/2008 14:18:07
112 AM2,(cont)

We(I) think that it is not unreasonable that we as a nation should be permitted the same responsibilities as say the Isle of Mann or the Channel Islands and over 200 other countries represented at the UN, most of which do not enjoy the natural and human resourses that 'we' do and do not feel the need to have a larger neighbour wetnurse them.
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Mikey,

05/10/2008 16:38:59
The problem is not the Britnats and they're slavish acceptance of the status quo. The way the country is set up at the moment makes them entitled to hold the views they do.

The problem will be after independence comes along. Will the Britnats stay and make Scotland a better place? Will they leave and go and live in the rump UK? Or will they, like some sort of fifth column, stay in Scotland and actively plot against the state?

Should it be the latter, there is a name for them and a statute against them.
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RampantRedLion,

05/10/2008 22:27:54
Such a parcel of Rogues in a Nation! I'm sorry, but do we not already have a Government, Parliament, Elected representatives? WTF do we need some Westminster muppet for?!
Why do London based Scottish labour politicians continually try to undermind the democratic process in Scotland? Roll on the election and we can kick Broon oot.

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sandra3mac,

Aus. 06/10/2008 08:26:20
As an aside: Jim Murphy still owes me ten quid from 1990 when he was in the NUS and I was President of Falkirk Tech...and I bet I'll never get it back.
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A1,

Larkhall 08/10/2008 18:43:20
One more quisling?

 

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