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Published Date: 12 July 2008
THOUSANDS of Scots have stepped up to the challenge of fighting climate change and are helping our country set a shining example to the rest of the world.
Six months have passed since The Scotsman and the Scottish Government launched the "Let's Go Green Together" campaign, and the results have been phenomenal.

All over Scotland, there are examples of individuals, groups and whole communities meetin
g the challenge to tackle the growing climate-change threat and preserve our planet for future generations.

Almost 3,000 people have signed up to some of ten pledges to lead a greener lifestyle, from using the car less to recycling more.

Nearly 100 groups, from schools to scouts, have been in touch with the Scottish Government after thinking of ways to help the environment, in an effort to get a share of its £18.8 million Climate Challenge Fund.

The huge response comes as the Scottish Government prepares a bill that will see this country aim to lead the way globally in its efforts to tackle climate change.

With plans to slash damaging greenhouse gas emissions by 80 per cent by 2050, it wants to set tougher targets than any other country in the world.

Environment groups have praised the response from Scotland in grasping the urgent need to change our behaviour.

Dr Richard Dixon, the director of WWF Scotland, thinks there is a real opportunity to lead the way across the world.

"On the international stage, Scotland has become a terribly important player, because we have got the most advanced climate targets in a legislative bill anywhere in the world," he said. "That will be the benchmark that every other industrialised country has to live up to."

He thinks all the thousands of people who have played their part in helping the environment in Scotland deserve praise.

"Anyone who has taken even a small action to help deserves praise, because it's the first step on a journey," he said. "Even if you leave your car at home one day a week, that's a 20 per cent reduction in your car use. Over a year, that's huge. If everyone did that, we would make a big difference to the amount of oil burned in people's cars."

The Scotsman changed the colour of its masthead to green for the day six months ago and challenged readers to go green too. Mike Gilson, the Editor, was hopeful of a strong response, and he has not been let down.

"I am amazed by the passion for the environment that is evident across Scotland, and the desire by thousands of people to take action to help preserve our fragile planet for future generations," he said. "Scotland is storming ahead in the challenge to tackle climate change, and I think all our readers should be proud of their achievements.

"It is, however, important to remember that far more needs to be done. Individual actions, such as increasing recycling, will not, on their own, save the planet and tough global targets need to be set."

Richard Lochhead, the environment secretary, praised the thousands of Scots who had pledged to go green.

He said: "We are currently using the resources of three planets. If we continue to put that much strain on our environment, future generations won't be able to enjoy the same quality of life as we do.

"The growing awareness of the consequences of our actions has already made many of us stop and think about what we can do to reduce our impact on the environment.

"Indeed, many Scots are already taking action – as a country we are recycling more, driving less, using energy-efficient light bulbs and buying seasonal and unpackaged produce. I want to thank the thousands of Scots who have already pledged to go green this year.

"Together, by making small changes to the way we lead our everyday lives, we can become more environmentally friendly and do our bit – locally and globally – for the planet."

Duncan McLaren, the chief executive of Friends of the Earth Scotland, thinks there is a "ladder" people can climb. If they start by using a car less, this can lead to giving up the vehicle completely. If they put in insulation, this can lead to installing a solar panel or turbine on their home.

A report by WWF has shown that, in the race to cut emissions, the UK is leading the G8 nations, with France in second place and Germany third. At the bottom of the rankings are Canada and the United States.

The WWF statistics show the UK has cut emissions by 15 per cent since 1990, compared with a 14 per increase in greenhouse gases in the US.

Among developing countries, China still produces fewer emissions per person than industrialised nations, but its greenhouse gas output has grown by 100 per cent since 1990 to 5.5 tonnes a year per person.

50 ways that Scotland has gone green over the past six months:

1. 100 community groups keen to help the environment in their areas have made enquiries with the Scottish Government in the first month since the launch of the Climate Challenge Fund, keen to get a share of the £18.8 million cash pot.

2. Nearly 3,000 people have signed up to the Greener Scotland campaign launched by The Scotsman and The Scottish Government.

3. Thousands of people took part in Scottish Biodiversity Week in May, to help celebrate and preserve our natural environment.

4. The number of people living off local produce for a year in Fife as part of the Fife Diet campaign has grown from 14 to 300.

5. Selkirk in the Borders announced in April that it was going plastic bag free. Residents were issued with replacement canvas bags.

6. St Thomas' Primary School in Keith, Moray became the 600th Scottish school to be awarded the prestigious Green Flag in the Eco-Schools programme for its commitment to the environment.

7. The T in the Park festival at Balado near Loch Leven has become the largest carbon neutral festival in the world. Campers are encouraged to use phosphate free soap, recycling areas are being set up and energy efficient lightbulbs will be used.

8. More than 21,000 people responded to the consultation for the Scottish Climate Change Bill, calling for Scotland to take a tough stance, leading the way globally in the fight to reduce emissions.

9. The 83 people living on the Hebridean isle of Eigg switched from using environmentally unfriendly diesel generators for their power to getting all their energy from renewable sources.

10. A feasibility study is being carried out in remote Knoydart in the West Highlands to look into introducing electric vehicles, wood fuel for heating, carbon footprinting of households and offering a carbon offset service to visitors.

11. The world's largest single prize for innovation in marine renewable energy was announced by the Scottish Government in February. The £10 million Saltire Prize is designed to galvanise world scientists to innovate in clean, green energy.

12. Recycling rates have gone up in Scotland, according to figures published in May. Just over four per cent more waste was recycled or composted in 2007 compared to the previous year.

13. The largest wood-fired power station in the UK opened near Lockerbie in March. The Steven's Croft Power Station, a 44MW biomass power plant, is expected to save up to 140,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions a year.

14. Environment secretary Richard Lochhead ate just Scottish food for one week in May. It followed a similar effort by first minister Alex Salmond and television presenter Stephen Jardine's pledge to eat Scottish produce for a year.

15. More than £3 million was given by the Scottish Government to two haulage companies- Eddie Stobart and John G Russell- for the provision of two new freight rail services from the central belt to Inverness, to cut 400 lorry journeys a week.

16. Chief executives from all leading UK supermarkets agreed in May to take part in Scotland's first Supermarket Summit later this year, with the aim of finding ways to cut waste and using less packaging.

17. Up to £6 million is to be made available to fund projects to treat organic waste, it was announced in April. It is hoped the cash, from The Scottish Government, will help meet targets for 70 per cent of municipal waste to be recycled or composted by 2025.

18. Scottish scientists are leading the way with research into climate change at institutes such as the Macaulay Institute. They are focusing on slowing down release of carbon from soil and creating new fuels to reduce the burning of fossil fuels.


19. The Scottish Government announced in January it was going to cut down in its printed material and transfer to online publishing instead, in a bid to save £2 million and help the environment.

20. Measures that will mean people wanting to install home energy kit such as solar panels will no longer need planning permission were announced in March.

21. The Caledonian Environment Centre at Glasgow Caledonian University is leading the way in developing new markets for recycled products, and designing recycling strategies with local authorities.

22. A new Scottish European Green Energy Centre is to be established in Aberdeen, it was announced in February. The aim will be to develop partnerships with research bodies for green energy in other countries.

23. Up to 6,000 people are expected to flock to The Big Tent festival, an environmental festival in Fife, at the end of July. Speakers there will talk about ways everyone can get involved in helping the environment.

24. Scotland's third largest wind farm got consent in January. The 68-turbine Griffin wind farm near Aberfeldy in Perthshire will be capable of providing electricity for more than 100,000 homes.

15. Funding was tripled in March for people who want to install home energy kit such as solar panels and heat pumps on their homes. There is now £13.5 million available over three years.

26. A new biomass plant opened near Forfar in Angus in January. The new £1.2 million plant employing 20 people will supply the growing biomass energy market with woodchips harvested from sustainable forests.

27. Former computer programmer Alexander MacDonald has set up a business in Glasgow collecting fat from chip shops and restaurants and converting it to environmentally biodiesel.

28. The Scotsman has increased its recycling levels, is drawing up an energy policy, and is planning to reduce electricity consumption by five per cent this year. The Scotsman offices already have lighting linked to motion-sensors in offices.

29. Going Carbon Neutral Stirling was launched in June, and given £1m by the Scottish Government. Resident Rachel Nunn is determined it will become the first carbon neutral city in the UK.

30. The Scottish Government has signed up to take part in the Carbon Trust's Carbon Management Programme in a bid to reduce its environmental impact. The programme helps organisations reduce their carbon footprints over a 10 year period.

31. New travel targets were set by the Scottish Government, including reducing business travel-related emissions by 20 per cent between 2005 and 2010.

32. More than 20,000 volunteers took part in National Spring Clean 2008 in May. West Lothian Council won the top prize- with 3,131 people taking part in clean up events in the area.

33. The catering contract at the Scottish Government is being retendered to put more emphasis on fresh and seasonable produce and the use of recycled products.

34. Eco-friendly paper has been introduced for use of staff by the Scottish Government.

35. Local businesses in East Renfrewshire have been signing up to the Keep Scotland Beautiful initiative by agreeing to keep the outside of their premises free from litter. McDonalds in Thornliebank was the first to join up, in June.

36. Bottled water has been replaced with chilled tap water by the Scottish Government to cut down on waste plastic.

37. The number of towns, villages and cities in Scotland signing up to the Transition Town initiative, which aim to tackle climate change, has risen to five. They are Portobello, Dunbar, Biggar, North Howe and Dunbar.

38. Biggar is storming ahead with its aim to reduce its carbon footprint. Carbon Neutral Biggar held its fourth Eco Forum in April, reusable shopping bags have been created, cycle racks installed and a community car sharing scheme started.

39. The first NHS hospital biomass boiler was opened in May. It will provide heat to both the Crichton Royal Hospital and Dumfries Infirmary.

40. Two wind generators have been installed at Balfron High School, Stirling, after an environment committee run by prefects led an investigation into how suitable the site would be, and helped out with fundraising.

41. Whitmuir farm in Peebleshire won £4,000 for transforming the way it operates to reduce its environmental impacts. It changed from being a sheep farm into an organic farm producing beef, pork, lamb, fruit, vegetables, eggs and turkeys.

42. Steven MacKen, who lives in the small village of Gartocharn in Dunbartonshire, has set up a community action group to raise awareness among the 200 residents of renewable energy.

43. Europe's largest onshore wind farm could be about to grow even bigger after plans were announced by ScottishPower Renewables to build a further 36 turbines to add to the 140 already on Whitelee Wind Farm near Glasgow.

44. An Eco Committee has been set up at Stirling High School to oversee environmental activities such as recycling and litter prevention. The school has also been helping plant trees, flowers.

45. Tom Pendry from Barra on the Western Isles, kayaked the length of the Western Isles in May catching his own food, burning driftwood and using a solar panel to raise awareness of the environment.

46. Students at George Heriot's School, Edinburgh raised funds from sponsored events to install water saving taps for the school and to build a toilet and shower block at the Iyela Education Centre in Tanzania.

47. A geothermal heating source has been installed at Glaitness Primary School in Orkney. The 300ft deep borehole supplies all heating to the school.

48. Pupils from Inverkeithing High, Fife went to the Scottish Parliament in February to talk about their work as an Eco-School, explaining how they identified cold and hot spots in the school, and got heating regulators installed.

48. Eight households in Colington Mains Green, Edinburgh, are taking part in a British Gas competition to reduce their energy use more over a year than seven otheracross the UK. They have cut their energy use by almost 20 per cent in the past six months.

49. Shock tactics were used at Currie High in Edinburgh to crack down on litter. A day's worth of litter from the school grounds was emptied on the floor of their assembly hall to raise awareness of the problem.

50. The first tidal-power-driven electricity in Scotland was connected to the National Grid. OpenHydro's turbine, off the island of Eday in Orkney, is expected to pave the way for a huge tidal-power development next year in the Channel Islands.





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1

Nikostratos,

12/07/2008 00:06:46
Yes well I have junked me gas guzzling 1.8 Si and started to use public transport or walking where possible........To show support of the Scottish Governments and the Scotsman initiative ........
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 00:17:16

"our country set a shining example to the rest of the world."

Very Good! but in all Honesty will it help,?

Maybe our consciences, but I doubt other Countries will take any notice as another rain Forrest is chopped down and missile testing is still prevalent, as are the 6litere gas burners they have for cars in the United States.
3

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 00:46:02
I'm sure your self-congratulatary slap on the back story does wonders for your ego.

However, I do concern myself that where I live has no bin storage facilities for me.

You will forgive me for wondering if you have moved on from the property boom to the ecological boom or, as Basil Brush used to say, Boom Boom.
4

Julian.,

edinburgh 12/07/2008 02:18:47
Charles,

Tut tut. If everyone had that attitude nothing would ever get done.

Let's put it another way. If we don't do anything then there's zero chance of persuading ayone else to. At least there's a chance if we lead by example.
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 02:32:32

Julian ~5,

Agrred, but you know, and all that!
6

MacRae_Warrior,

12/07/2008 02:34:03
Oh goody goody! Let's just let the same disease that is destroying the United States-environmentalism-infect bonnie Scotland. Let's sacrifice what's good for us (e.g. nuclear plants) in favour of 'helping' a planet that can help itself. Seriously, how much damage can we really do to the Earth? We have inhabited this planet for thousands of years and it hasn't exploded yet. Any damage that we do to the Earth, it will fix itself. That's the way it's always been, and the way it will always be. Unless you're Al Gore, of course.
7

Stuart W,

12/07/2008 03:54:24
51. T in the Dump annual fly-tipping festival takes place at Balado, Kinross-shire.
8

Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 04:32:25
Fact: By far the most substantial "green" contribution anyone can make is also the simplest. Simply have fewer children. Any other contribution pales by comparison. Having one child creates a legacy of consumption that completely obliterates any and all "green" efforts that you could ever make in your own lifetime.
9

W Smith,

Middle East 12/07/2008 04:58:38
So the Boy Scouts in Scotland are going to reverse the effects of 5 million new cars taking to the road in China every year then, eh?

I think the staff at The Scotsman have lost the plot.

This article wouldn't be out of place on Blue Peter on line.

1) Anyone who thinks wind turbines can produce enough electricity to keep steel plants and aluminium smelters going NEEDS TO GET THEIR HEAD EXAMINED!

2) I doubt if the owners of Johnston Press cycle to work but this article would have us believe they do.

3) Merchant ships account for 10% of global emissions while aviation accounts for less than 5%.

So the staff at The Scotsman will go without lap tops, PCs, T-shirts, cars and other goodies seeing they arrived in Scotland via a ship that spews out CO2?

The engine that drives the propellor on merchant ships doesn't run on diesel but on 'heavy oil' which is so thick it has to heated up by steam to make it flowable to pump into the 'main engine'.

Heavy oil is probably the nastiest fuel used in modern industry - apart maybe from coal.

So we'll see Salmond, the greens and The Scotsman boycotting goods that arrived in Scotland by ship then, eh?

BTW
So-called 'green' Denmark has one of the largest container ships in the world - the EMMA MAERSK.

Every trip to the Far East consumes thousands of tonnes of fuel.

Something the 'green' propaganda machine in Scotland fails to mention.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 12/07/2008 05:03:54
4 Jock Tamson,

Hey Dude ,
Who is Basil Brush, a funny name . Is he a member of the Monarchy or something like that, or a rock band guitar player... Enquiring minds want to know.
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2 Charles Linskaill,

Hey Dude ,
Don't knock the US gas gusslers. We are now the world's biggest buyer of hybrid cars the Toyota Prius. 42 mpg

Hey once us Yanks get going, its BIG TIME efforts dude.

My last truck was a Dodge with a Hemi 5L-V8 engine got 10-11 mpg.
My present truck is HONDA Ridgeliner 4WD 3.5L-V6 gets great mileage 17-18 mpg, compared to my Dodge.

Hey all U squawking Dudes. Ur effort in Scotland is comemdable.
But just hop on a plane to Mexico City pop 20 million Mexicans, and get them to sign up to Ur green process.

Hey don't forget to bring an Oxygen supply and face mask as U walk about that teaming city.

Like 20 million dudesand dudesses. Get off the beaten tourist tracks and see the open sewers in the shanty towns all over the city.

So get the Mexico City dudes to sign up and then U can really crow and squawk.

Adios

GC

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Guga II,

Rockall 12/07/2008 05:46:26
What a load of garbage, and self-congratulatory bulldust from the Hootsmon.

Not only will 99.9% of the countries in the world no nothing about what is happening in Scotland, if they have even heard of it as a seperate entity from our colonial masters, but it won't affect them in the slightest.

Whatever we do in Scotland will be a micro-drop in the ocean as far as the rest of the world is concerned; and will probably not make up for even one new coal fired power station in China.

As for a lot of the gung-ho attitude mentioned by the Hootsmon, most of that will be related to people trying to get their hands on some of the £18.8 million that's being splashed around. Yes, I'll go green too, if you give me some of that money.

As Galactic Cornball said, get Mexico City to sign up, then the Hootsmon will have something to squawk about.

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yockel,

12/07/2008 06:23:37
Rubbish! Shining example? We have just started and are unlikely to catch up with the rest of Europe any time soon.
13

Mcsnagpile,

12/07/2008 07:21:37
We do not need recycling we need a change of system. All the powers that B are frightened or too ignorant to even think about it. We do not need this throw away culture, we do not need this over package culture, we do not need all workers to aggregate around a common office in this age of broadband. We do not need products we do not need. KISS—Keep It Simple Stupid. Many products taken on a daily basis are non-products. They have no useful function. Example, Diet coke, a non-food form of entertainment for people who have extra cash they do not need. Pop corn –something to do with your hands and mouth when you are watching a movie. Use the dog’s rubber bone.
We do not have an oil crisis; we have a people culture crisis.
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G Raymond,

Switzerland 12/07/2008 07:27:13
On a recent stay in Wales, I was impressed by the lack of public transport options. People seemed nearly as car-dependent as in the US. Is Scotland different? You say that a "report by WWF has shown that, in the race to cut emissions, the UK is leading the G8 nations, with France in second place and Germany third." Given the UK's lukewarm enthusiasm for funding public transport and particularly railway infrastructure, I find this hard to believe. How does Scotland compare to Switzerland, where intensive recycling and steady improvement of public transport have been firmly anchored in public policy for many years?
15

Douglas,

Bathgate 12/07/2008 08:01:38
Scottish local authorities are at the forefront of recycling awareness initiatives.
I'm particularly fond of the one where they leave examples of rubbish which could be recycled lying on motorway verges or indeed almost any roadside thus giving us the ability to recognise them when they pop up in our daily life.
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Ananurhing,

12/07/2008 08:13:24
I've developed a practise which if every Scotsman adopted, would slash the nations carbon footprint, and increase the nations male life expectancy significantly.
Cook your chips outside! Simple really. I call them 'healthy chips'.
But remember,.......don't drink and fry!

Easy way in Scotland to improve the environment, reduce greenhouse gases, clean up our mountain streams, and grow more CO2 supping flora.
Get rid of all the sheep! Dirty smelly tick ridden tree munching vermin!
This would have the added benefit of freeing up land to ease the housing crisis, and reduce farming subsidies!
It'd get my vote!
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Boy Wonder,

12/07/2008 08:14:46
The BW household has always been a "green" one ... even before it became popular to be one.

I know as a nation it's but a drop in the ocean on the world-scale ... but I do believe that every little bit we can do is a step on the way to the recycling lifestyle we should all embrace.
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12/07/2008 08:18:02
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A Crofter,

Western Isles 12/07/2008 08:33:48
This story is just a story.

The Scottish Government is so green that most MSPs are falling over themselves to allow Trump to trash Scotland's environment with his tawdry golfing conurbation. Has anybody even attempted to estimate the greenhouse emissions that all those free-jetting timesharers will create?

There's absolutely no point in us fitting low-energy lightbulbs if we then jump on a plane, thanks to the Scottish Government's commitment to aviation expansion.
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Kate,

Zurich 12/07/2008 08:41:53
1 day out of 7 to leave the car at home is not a 20% reduction in driving!
Also, point 37 of the gloriously self aggrandising 50 counts 5 towns which are going green but Dunbar is named twice...

It's all very well to praise what is being done but Scotland was far behind many nations at the start so of course the progress has been spectacular, however there is still an awfully long way to go.

Scotland's public transport needs to be much cheaper, and cover much more of the country, rubbish needs to be separated better and collected and recycled more regularly and properly to encourage continued improvement. Bottle banks, paper, carton, plastic, batteries and so on, all need to be properly disposed of and recycled.
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Harbinger,

Not this planet 12/07/2008 08:52:24
If warming was actually taking place it might have a little merit. If it was and we could do something about it, even more merit. The comment about Blue Peter is spot on, perhaps more like C-Beebies. How patronising and so much ignorance. Anyone checked the weather over the last couple years. It's getting colder, must be all those damn great fans on the hillsides.

WWF work closely with DEFRA and their material is used by the government in public campaigns. The initiative for this stuff from the Scotsman and other papers taking similar lines, came from the government's favourite social engineering think tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR).

David Miliband was a one time researcher there. This is from their paper "Warm Words", in 2006.

Treating climate change as beyond argument -

"Much of the noise in the climate change discourse comes from argument and counter-argument, and it is our recommendation that, at least for popular communications, interested agencies now need to treat the argument as having been won.

This means simply behaving as if climate change exists and is real, and that individual actions are effective. The ‘facts’ need to be treated as being so taken-for-granted that they need not be spoken.

The certainty of the Government’s new climate-change slogan – ‘Together this generation will tackle climate change’ (Defra 2006) – gives an example of this approach. It constructs, rather than claims, its own factuality."

It's working.....
22

donald anderson it's me,

weegieland 12/07/2008 09:34:49
Can Orangemen turn green? Can Orangepersons attend a Mass meeting?
23

11+failed,

the pans 12/07/2008 09:38:10
"Even if you leave your car at home one day a week, that's a 20 per cent reduction in your car use. Over a year, that's huge"
Soon £400 for road tax, £850 for insurance, £3,000 in depreciation, that is £82 per week before I take my car out of the garage and some idiot wants me to leave my car unused while I take the bus. Sounds like a real waste of resources to me.
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agatha,

12/07/2008 09:47:12
"1 day out of 7 to leave the car at home is not a 20% reduction in driving!" How do you know? You are assuming everyone drives the same amount every day. I don't.

Leaving the car at home would at least stop the chavs chucking their rubbish out of the window.
25

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 12/07/2008 09:57:52
We still seem to be confusing the fact that being environmentally friendly will not stop climate change, global warming, or indeed any other fancy name that Gordon Brown conveniently uses to mask yet another way of raising tax to fund his follies.

I re-use and recycle, and in fact have done so for about 30 years. What I don't like is the rush of the 'newly converted' telling me a load of nonsense to support some vague theory, and prop up a failing and unfit government.
I'd like to see the account in which Gordon Brown is keeping all the taxes he has raised on behalf of the environment. I expect it's rather empty - having been plundered to pay for the fuel to fly him and his cronies around the world on pointless missions.


Yours etc

Angus Whitton
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 12/07/2008 09:59:06
The global warming psychosis is slowly transforming into "dangerous climate change" - this being the standard Newspeak term used by BBC broadcasters over the last few weeks.

Fact: the planet has NOT got any warmer since 1979 - check out the graphs at the WattsUP meteorology site:

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/page/2/

Measurements of the lower troposphere from the experts at University of Alabama and from Remote Sensing Systems confirm that the mean average temperature is now significantly lower than in 1979. Moreover, the Northern hemisphere just experienced the coldest winter in over 50 years: most of China and Russia were buried under massive snow and ice deposits: most American states recorded the coldest winter in 50 years. The planet is in fact cooling and Sunspot Cycle 24 is now many months overdue - no sunspots have appeared. This indicates that we are in for a very cold period indeed.

Here is a typical newspaper report from the USA this month - recording the coldest July night in 123 years of records.

Charlotte smashes 123 year record low temperature
3 July 2008


GREG LACOUR, The Charolotte Observer

"This morning was downright cool in the Charlotte region — cool enough to break a record that had stood for more than a century.The temperature at Charlotte/Douglas International Airport was 56 degreesF at about 5:30 a.m., breaking the July 2 record of 58 degreees F, set in 1885. The normal low for this time of year is 70 degrees F."

Millions of politicians and eco-hysterics now have a deep vested interest in keeping the psychosis going at all costs. £Trillions are at stake in the new eco-doom industry: university grants, windpower grants, NGO funds, taxes on cars, heating, electricity - its the biggest tax bonananza in history.

"Men go mad in herds but only recover their sanity one by one" - Charles McKay 'Extraordinary Delusions and Madnesses of Crowds"
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Unimpressed one,

12/07/2008 10:01:48
Christ, the loonies have allowed to take the headline today. Even if all Scots were to live in caves tomorrow and resort to horse and carts for transport and windmills for power ( a scenario that must be dear to the hearts to the likes of McLaren and Dixon), it would make no noticable difference to global emissions of CO2. If the rest of the world did likewise, it would not change our climate at all. The deniers hide their heads in the sand because globally temperatures have reduced year on year for a decade now. But of course, 'tackling climate chaos' was never to 'save the planet' but part of their agenda to control ALL our actions according to their skewed, anti-human views.

As for "helping our country set a shining example to the rest of the world", this could be achieved if we tackled the problems of violence, alcohol and drug addiction on our own doorstep that causes REAL misery on our streets and affects thousands of families. We could set a real example by being the first country in the world to subsidise fresh fruit and veg so that an apple or banana is cheaper than a Mars bar. Could Salmond and his cronies rise to this challenge or will they stick to 'saving' us all by banning plastic bags and wringing their hands at the litter in our streets?
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Destroy the Planet,

12/07/2008 10:08:25
Recycle ! dont make me laugh, the best i get from Edinburgh council is lobbing ma bags out onto the street only to be torn apart by gulls, why ? Because theyre more concerned with the asthetics of having wheelie bins in the area. (EH1). The place is now literally crawling with rats and mice and a wee bit of advice to any visitors - dont eat on a ground floor restaurant in the grassmarket, theyre all riddled with vermin. I'm so hacked off, the place is a toilet, i'll never recycle just to get my own back after years of neglect by this council, and yer all the same whether its the tartan tories or nulab, the residents are a hinderence to your master plans. I want money to recycle !
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11+failed,

the pans 12/07/2008 10:14:27
Nice to have a PC article referring to climate change instead of the scaremongering global warming.
However, with atmospheric CO2 rising from 305PPMV to 390PPVM ie 28% since 1950 and global temperature now 0.2°C BELOW the 1950 to 1980 average with no change over the past 16 years, what does climate change mean?
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joppa jock,

Huntingdon 12/07/2008 10:18:22
Facts and figures? Item 37 claims that 5 towns, villages and cities in Scotland have now signed up for something or other. Portobello is included in this number, but Portobello is simply a district in Edinburgh, and Dunbar is quoted twice, so the 5 is now 3, a 40% exageration in one short item.
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Blindscout,

Fife 12/07/2008 10:21:20
While I believe global change is happening, I am not totally convinced by the argument of greenhouse gasses, although I am sure they are playing a part. I do believe that the peoples of the world are using natural resources up at an alarming rate and #7 although the planet can heal many of mans damage it cannot replace mineral resources. We can find alternatives to resources like oil and coal, but the current supplies are being used up at an increasingly faster rate, certainly faster than nature can replenish.

#10, boy scouts have not been in the UK for 40 years (1966) and since 2007, all scout groups must be co-educational, (PC for boys and girls), although the law permits us to have a girl only scout troop, to cater for girls whoose religion does not permit them to mix with boys.

But ther general comments here are correct, we are so small a nation, in the global scheme we are probably insignificant. But we can do our bit to save resources by re-cycling. I myself have for years saved aluminium and sell my hoard to the local scrappy. Fife have issued 3 bins to each house, for general rubbish, paper and garden all collected fortnightly. For glass, plastics (1 & 2 only) and metals, one has to take to re-cycling centres and this small effort means many do not bother. Now as all supermarkets have re-cycling centres, and residents travel by car to do the shopping, the extra efort should be minimal, but most don't bother. My neigbour now has no family at home and fills their general bin to overflowing every fortnight. By comparrison, I still have a family at home, and our general bin in half full every fortnight.

Let us keep the best bits of Scotland for our enjoyment, and reduce the need to dump rubbish into landfill, so that their is still some countryside for our childrens, children to enjoy.
32

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/07/2008 10:45:44
Phewh!!!!...read that wrong for a minute there...thought it said "A green mould sweeps Scotland"...
33

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 12/07/2008 11:04:32
On the local authority front - foudn out recently that Scottish Borders Council takes all the recyced glass that people take so much trouble to separate out and crushes it to be used in road-fill for building new roads. In other words - we recycle our glass bottles - and Borders Council buries it - in the roads.

what's the betting that plastic and paper goes to landfill or for burning somewhere?
34

Rv2!,

In a pothole on Leith Walk. 12/07/2008 11:08:38
Much of Edinburgh is tenament blocks. These areas are NOT suitable for full recycling facilities. Our street of 19 flats has over 25 standard bins, 6 paper bins and some others. We are falling over ourselves in council provided bins for sorting waste. We do not have space.

The sorting facilities need to be improved at a central area and not in the street. I personally DO NO do ANY recycling as I WILL NOT sort everything out here, then go down three flights of stairs 4-5 times, walking 50-100 yards each time carrying sorted rubbish to the bins up and down the street.
35

seanie,

Portobello 12/07/2008 11:20:34
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

"The year 2007 was eighth warmest on record, exceeded by 1998, 2005, 2003, 2002, 2004, 2006 and 2001."

"The 1990s were the warmest complete decade in the series. The warmest year of the entire series has been 1998, with a temperature of 0.546°C above the 1961-90 mean. Twelve of the thirteen warmest years in the series have now occurred in the past thirteen years (1995-2007). The only year in the last thirteen not among the warmest twelve is 1996 (replaced in the warm list by 1990). The period 2001-2007 is 0.21°C warmer than the 1991-2000 decade."
36

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:21:02
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/myths/2.html

"A simple mathematical calculation of the temperature change over the latest decade (1998-2007) alone shows a continued warming of 0.1 °C per decade."
37

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:21:16
http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/dept/0108_globaltemp.htm

"To determine if warming has recently stopped, consider the data from the past eight years, from 2000 to 2007. This is a more meaningful comparison than 1998 to 2007, as 1998 temperatures were anomalously high as a result of the "El Niño of the century" (pdf), a natural cyclical event that produced an enormous temperature spike relative to surrounding years. Choosing an El Niño year as that start of the dataset would amount to rather egregious cherry picking (though both GISS temp and HadCRU would still show a warming trend over the decade)."

"Over the past eight years, Earth has warmed 0.025 degrees C per year according to GISS, and 0.014 degrees C per year according to HadCRU, so GISS shows slightly faster warming than over the long-term trend of 0.018 degrees C per year, and HadCRU shows warming slightly slower."
38

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:21:36
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/

"It is apparent that there is no letup in the steep global warming trend of the past 30 years (see 5-year mean curve in Figure 1a).

"Global warming stopped in 1998," has become a recent mantra of those who wish to deny the reality of human-caused global warming. The continued rapid increase of the five-year running mean temperature exposes this assertion as nonsense. In reality, global temperature jumped two standard deviations above the trend line in 1998 because the "El Niño of the century" coincided with the calendar year, but there has been no lessening of the underlying warming trend."
39

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:21:53
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig1_2007annual.gif
40

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:22:06
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

"The period 2001-2007 is 0.21°C warmer than the 1991-2000 decade."
41

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:22:18
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2007/images/pr20070104.gif

Look at the blue line. That's the running mean.

Did it continue to rise after 1998?

Why yes. Yes it did.
42

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:22:29
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2007.csv

That's the HadCRU temperature data. It shows 1998 as the peak individual year. But look at the second column - the running mean. Since 1998 the average global temperature has risen significantly.
43

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:22:37
The NASA/GISS data for global temperatures;

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

The ten hottest years worldwide since 1880 were:

2005, 2007, 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2004, 2001, 1997, 1995.
44

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:22:53
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/myths/2.html

"1998 saw an exceptional El Niño event which contributed strongly to that record-breaking year. Research shows that an exceptional El Niño can warm global temperatures by about 0.2 °C in a single year, affecting both the ocean surface and air temperatures over land. Had any recent years experienced such an El Niño, it is very likely that this record would have been broken. 2005 was also an unusually warm year, the second highest in the global record, but was not associated with El Niño conditions that boosted the warmth of 1998.

Another way of looking at the warming trend is that 1999 was a similar year to 2007 as far the cooling effects of La Niña are concerned. The 1999 global temperature was 0.26 °C above the 1961-90 average, whereas 2007 was 0.37 °C above this average, 0.11 °C warmer than 1999."
45

seanie,

12/07/2008 11:23:09
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/TargetCO2_20080407.pdf

"Humanity today, collectively, must face the uncomfortable fact that industrial civilization itself has become the principal driver of global climate. If we stay our present course, using fossil fuels to feed a growing appetite for energy-intensive life styles, we will soon leave the climate of the Holocene, the world of prior human history. The eventual response to doubling preindustrial atmospheric CO2 likely would be a nearly ice-free planet."

"Continued growth of greenhouse gas emissions,for just another decade, practically eliminates the possibility of near-term return of atmospheric composition beneath the tipping level for catastrophic effects."

"The most difficult task, phase-out over the next 20-25 years of coal use that does not capture CO2, is herculean, yet feasible when compared with the efforts that went into World War II. The stakes, for all life on the planet, surpass those of any previous crisis. The greatest danger is continued ignorance and denial, which could make tragic consequences unavoidable."
46

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/07/2008 11:41:15
33 Horrible Cankers

Good morning, madam.

Did we have a wild and wonderful evening out last night dancing on the pub table, being very "naughty" in your choice of words when telling VERy explicit jokes, leave with a selection of "bed warmers", etc. You know, your usual end-of-week frolics.

My household has been determinedly green for over 11 years and I noticed the difference in the very first year.

HC - have a wonderful day and don't scare the horses with your notorious shenanigans on the high street.
47

The Strategist,

12/07/2008 12:22:45
This article reinforces the unfortunate fact that whilst we may well be installing some new clean technologies none of that technology is of Scottish nor indeed even UK origin.

48

E300,

12/07/2008 12:39:58
seanie, Portobello
You can cherry pick all the statistics you like but if a steadily increasing CO2 in the atmosphere, up a quarter in 60 years and a global mean temperature this year one fifth of a degree Celsius below the average of the 30 years 1950 to 1980 is proof that increasing CO2 in the atmosphere causes the atmospheric temperature to increase I have difficulty following the logic. Needless to say it is even more difficult to understand the logic of "hockey stick", "tipping point" and "run away" global warming as proclaimed by the money grubbing Al Gore green brigade.
I choose 1950 to 1980 because that is available and widely quoted and this year because that is the latest available.
49

seanie,

12/07/2008 12:54:22
The average global temperature for this year is not available yet, for the fairly obvious reason that it's not over yet. Go figure.
50

E300,

12/07/2008 12:58:17
This year 2008 January to June!
51

seanie,

12/07/2008 13:04:16
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2007.csv

That's the Hadcru dataset. The first column of temperatures gives the anomaly for each year compared to the 1961-90 average. The second column is the smoothed running average.

Looking at those figures it's easy to see that the warmest years since 1850, according to the Hadcru dataset are; 1998, 2005, 2003, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2001 and 2007, in descending order.

Also the running average over the past decade is significantly higher than any previous period in the record.
52

seanie,

12/07/2008 13:10:08
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/crutem3gl.txt

That's the Hadcru monthly dataset. June's not included yet.
53

drew 33,

12/07/2008 13:13:08
#52 seanie
Yep,the average temperature on the surface of Earth is presently lower than 1980 proving that we are in the grip of burgeoning global warming! Have I got that right?
54

seanie,

12/07/2008 13:26:40
No.
55

seanie,

12/07/2008 13:31:44
taking the monthly data set, the average for 1980 is an anomaly of 0.14 degrees above the 1961-90 average.

The average over the January to May of this year is 0.41 degrees above the 1961-90 average. So so far this year is significantly warmer than 1980.
56

Unimpressed one,

12/07/2008 14:39:30
#57, "The first lines of this article are imbecilic"

That's a gross understatement if ever there was. Try the whole article!
57

seanie,

12/07/2008 14:54:42
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt

Another Hadcru set. If you bother to do the calculation you'll find that the average for the period 1950-80 is 0.11 degrees below the 1961-90 average.

In contrast the period 2000-2007 is 0.42 degrees above the 1961-90 average.

The average over 1980 was 0.077 degress above the 1961-90 average whilst, so far, 2008 is averaging at 0.241 degrees above the 1961-90 average.
58

Geomac 1,

Scotland 12/07/2008 15:00:25
I'm with you Unimpressed one - this whole article is a littany of drivel.
I am sick, sick sick of being preached to - both by the Scotsman (and Kenny McAskill). There is hardly a week goes past which does not include an article by Jenny Haworth preaching at us - turn your tely off at the main, stop using bottled water, use public transport, and so on and so on. Not only is it drivel, it's repetitive drivel.
I will not accpet that we in Scotland can do anything about alleged global warming (now morphed into "climate change" as the nasty global earth temperature has refused to increase in line with CO2 in the atmosphere!!) until I see that the likes of China and India stop building coal fired power stations at a rate of two per week. Remember that Scotland emits ONLY 0.2% of the world's CO2 and that a fair proportion of that is a consequence of all of us breathing!!! China alone increases the global CO2 level by 0.2% every 6 months!!! So, even if we all packed up and left the country, Jenny and her ecomentalist buddies in FoE and Greenpeace could only claim that to have prevented a 0.2% increase in world CO2 for a peiod of 6 months.
Get real!!!!
59

seanie,

12/07/2008 15:13:59
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif
60

Euan,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 15:33:41
As poster #8 says, T in the Park is more like the annual Kinrosshire fly-tipping festival, with HUNDREDS of tonnes of discarded plastic waste like tents, chairs, bottles etc having to be picked up and disposed of by the organizers after the event is over.

But the statement in No.7 of Scotland's supposed 'green' tendencies, rather amusingly claims that T in the Park is 'one of the world's largest carbon neutral festivals'

What nonsense, what complete and utter NONSENSE!!

Can you imagine the MILLIONS of litres of fuel burnt off by the tens of thousands of fans driving to and from the festival?, or how about all the on-site generators which provide the electricity for the stages gobbling their way through THOUSANDS of litres of diesel over the course of the weekend?

If T in the Park is carbon neutral then I'm a Dutchman.
61

TXWeezie,

Texas USA 12/07/2008 15:40:45
Did you have the recycle bins specially made. I cannot find anything here in the US like that and I'd love to get some!
62

seanie,

12/07/2008 15:46:20
Methane concentrations in the atmosphere are less than 2ppm compared to CO2 levels in excess of 380ppm so whilst not insignificant it's currently less important than CO2.
63

seanie,

12/07/2008 15:48:09
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/

"The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle.

Figure 1 shows 2007 temperature anomalies relative to the 1951-1980 base period mean. The global mean temperature anomaly, 0.57°C (about 1°F) warmer than the 1951-1980 mean, continues the strong warming trend of the past thirty years that has been confidently attributed to the effect of increasing human-made greenhouse gases (GHGs) (Hansen et al. 2007). The eight warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1990."
64

Grumpy,

12/07/2008 16:11:58
Just come back from Florida - and the only place you MIGHT see a recycling bin is at Disneyworld. And you'll still struggle to buy a car with an engine less than 3 litres - in act, most vehicles are now big 4x4s or these stupid "am I a car or a truck" things that get about 15 mpg.

Go to a supermarket, and you come away with twice as many plastic bags as you would ever have got in the UK when they were free.

Tie our American cousins started realising that there are other nations on this earth than them and to take a more responsible attitude as we do in the UK
65

seanie,

12/07/2008 16:15:58
The NASA GISS monthly data set;

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

This gives anomalies relative to the 1951-80 average. What does it show?

It indicates that the average for January to June this year is 0.34 degrees above the 1951-80 average, wheras 1980 averaged 0.18 degrees above the same baseline.
66

NYScott,

Accross the pond 12/07/2008 16:26:14
Now now don't go trying to degrade Scotlan's effort becasue of a few rich Americans in the 6 MPG SUV's.
I have a 40 mile trip to work 5 days a week but I car pool. We also recycle big time over here, though I'm still curious who gets all that money, but at least it's not in the street or town dump.
I'm still curious why the electric car (which GM came out with in 1996) was scrapped. It was able to get an equivalent in gas mileage to 120 MPG's ( That's about 180 Kilometeers) to 6 liters of gas. I guess untill the "right" people own what we need we won't be getting it!
67

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/07/2008 16:26:44
47...Afternoon Timothy Charles....last nights decadence involved champagne and olives in the bath...and then a film called "Being Stanley Kubrick"...with John Malkovitch...he plays a con man (true story) who lived it up as Stanley Kubrick for a while...amazing how gullible people can be....We are suffering somewhat today and I suspect that the bath water was too hot to support the champagne...

A quiet evening tonight and then tomorrow it is the grand finale of the Armada here....Iggy Pop, Sailors and fireworks...whoo hoo!

Our household is becoming greener but it is very difficult to find things that are not made in China etc...but it is possible..we try to buy local produce as well...as much as possible here..

Have an enjoyable weekend Timothy Charles...I swear I dont know where you get these ideas of little old me....

68

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/07/2008 16:34:45
Sorry..."Colour me Kubrick"..tch tch...
69

Harbinger,

The Real World 12/07/2008 16:37:01
Blimey, seanie, you must have spent all morning on RealClimate. You sound as if you just discovered the Holy Grail. 2007 eighth warmest eh? Shouldn't every year be warmer than the last if the theory is correct?

Did you e-mail Phil Jones at CRU and ask him why he won't release his data for peer review? Did you look at Climatic Research Unit: Information sheets: 3: UK Weather and Climate (CET/EWP)

"…seasonal and annual temperatures for the entire CET series…. show unprecedented warmth during the 1990s, but earlier decades such as the 1730s and 1820s are comparable."

Did you examine the Met Office data for Central England Temperature from 1659 and discover that the average summer temperature for the 20th century was 0.11 degrees C LESS than the average summer temperature for the 18th century. Did you notice that the average temperature was 0.41 deg C higher from 1921-1960 than 1881-1920, but the average only rose by 0.08 deg C from 1961-2000. You may also have noticed that the average temperature for 1961-2000 was only 0.34 deg C higher than 1721-1760, 240 years earlier. Some warming.

Perhaps you had a look at why James Hansen doesn't really know what global temperature is anyway: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/abs_temp.html

To measure surface air temperature, (SAT) we have to agree on what it is and, as far as I know, no such standard has been suggested or generally adopted. For the global mean, the most trusted models produce a value of roughly 14 Celsius, i.e. 57.2 F, but it may easily be anywhere between 56 and 58 F and regionally, let alone locally, the situation is even worse.(James E. Hansen, 2005-07-12)

You may have noticed that he had to revise his figures for the USA and report 1934 as the warmest of the 20th century, not 1998.

Maybe you had a look at how little the Hadley Centre know about the atmosphere:
Stabilising climate to avoid dangerous climate change —a summary of relevant research at the Hadley Centre January 2005

"W
70

Harbinger,

12/07/2008 16:44:05
continued from 72

Stabilising climate to avoid dangerous climate change — a summary of relevant research at the Hadley Centre January 2005

What constitutes ‘dangerous’ climate change, in the context of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, remains open to debate.

Once we decide what degree of (for example) temperature rise the world can tolerate, we then have to estimate what greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere should be limited to, and how quickly they should be allowed to change.
These are very uncertain because we do not know exactly how the climate system responds to greenhouse gases.

The next stage is to calculate what emissions of greenhouse gases would be allowable, in order to keep below the limit of greenhouse gas concentrations. This is even more uncertain, thanks to our imperfect understanding of the carbon cycle (and chemical cycles) and how this feeds back into the climate system.

Perhaps you checked why Tyndall scientists dont believe their own propaganda:
"As the science itself is contested, needless to say, so are the potential policy changes. So how then do people make sense or construct a reality of something that they can never experience in its totality (climate) and a reality that has not yet manifest (i.e. climate change)?
To endorse policy change people must ‘believe’ that global warming will become a reality some time in the future.

Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming.

Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change.

We propose that in those countries where climate change has become the predominant popular term for the phenomenon, unseasonably cold temperatures, for example, are also interpreted to reflect climate change/global warming."

Suggest you do wider research rather than filling
71

Harbinger,

12/07/2008 16:46:48
continued from 73

Suggest you do wider research rather than filling these columns with pre-digested material from the core global warming modellers all of which is challenged scientifically by atmospheric scientists rather than modellers.
72

seanie,

12/07/2008 16:59:43
No.

Every year shouldn't be warmer than the last if the theory is correct.

What a silly suggestion.
73

seanie,

12/07/2008 17:16:06
On the subject of 1934 being reclassified as the warmest in the US record it's hardly a significant change. Prior to the data correction the hottest years in the US, in descending order, were;

1998, 1934, 2006, 1921, 1931, 1999, 1953, 2001, 1990 and 1938.

Although 1998 and 1934 were effectively tied since the difference between them was much smaller than the margin of error. After the correction the new rankings were;

1934, 1998, 1921, 2006, 1931, 1999, 1953, 1990, 1938 and 1939.

1934 and 1998 were still effectively tied; 1921 and 1926 changed places; 2001 dropped out and 1939 came in. And of course, since this only affected the US record it had a negligible impact on the global record.

Your grasping at straws if you're trying to find significance in that.
74

seanie,

12/07/2008 17:27:50
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/hadleycentre/obsdata/cet.html

I'm not sure that the temperature record for the west midlands can really be taken as a more reliable guide to global temperatures than, say, global temperature records, but even so it still shows something of an upward trend.

75

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 17:56:58
How green can you get - Garden of Eden green?
76

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 17:59:52
And re 78, never forget that we do not live in a green field site. We live in a Brown field site.

He will milk this as long as you let him.
77

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 18:03:23
Having said that in 78 and 79, the bucket and brush brigade are not all wrong.

Once they stop farting thunder you might be able to get on with your lives in a tidier fashion.
78

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 12/07/2008 18:11:19
Some of these items on the list are commendable and indeed could have been motivated by common sense if people want to save unnecessary bills, etc. One or two need challenged hard e.g.

"7. The T in the Park festival at Balado near Loch Leven has become the largest carbon neutral festival in the world. Campers are encouraged to use phosphate free soap, recycling areas are being set up and energy efficient lightbulbs will be used."

"Carbon neutral" my @rse. First of all if any of the revellers have touched the soap let alone used it I'll be very surprised. The power used in strobe and other lighting and for amplifiers, along with the necessary transport to get people to and from the venue must easily cancel out energy efficient light bulbs wherever they're used. Last year we picked up our sons from T in the Park and the traffic queues were horrendous - more to do with inefficient organisation and traffic direction than Green anything. The quagmire that was the approach road and parking contributed to massive traffic pile-ups and delays and guess what they're burning. Plus the plastic bottle waste, tins, abandoned tents, sleeping bags and assorted other human detritus was utterly convincing that the last thing some people at T in the Park thought about was environmental. This waste had blown for miles around up and down rural roads and into farmers' fields. They must have been really chuffed at having to pick this off the deck and out of animals. So the only way this pious claim could be made is the organisers took the usual cop-out and did a carbon-offset job - a total misnomer and yet another tax.

What would make this list more believable would be if it were not on this single-mantra GW/CC platform so beloved of WWF, RSPB, FoE and Greenpeace etc., none of whom of course have the slightest financial or other interest in promoting these practically unproveable assertions. As can be seen from the enthusiastic seanie's emissions above, there is a ton of data in
79

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 12/07/2008 18:12:21
/cont'd... As can be seen from the enthusiastic seanie's emissions above, there is a ton of data in one direction which can then be neatly disproved from another.

We recycle as much as we can, which just makes sound economic sense. I am also getting an air heat exchanger installed for the central heating system instead of the current very inefficient gas boiler - again this just make sense from a cost point of view, but I was never concerned about the CO2 emissions! The people who are religious about this have an agenda either financial or from a pseudo-science belief point of view. The 80% reduction in carbon usage is frankly nonsense. You don't get something for nothing and having nutty targets like this over 40+ years is mega kidology. There are not even any interim targets set so no one has to step up to the plate and admit they screwed up. This government of course has had a major tax bonus provided under the Green umbrella, so looking a bit right-on and doing us good at the same time as picking our pockets. It's a wonder to me that there is much economic activity left after all that and in fact that's what's happening - a failing economy.
80

seanie,

12/07/2008 18:29:22
The data as far as temperature is concerned is pretty unambiguous. As is the data regarding CO2 levels.

And there's a yawning chasm between saying something can be neatly disproved and actually disproving it.

I've provided the links so people can see for themselves that a number of assertions made by other people on this thread are nonsense.

Hardly suprising I know.
81

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/07/2008 18:43:02
80....They allow "Farting?".....
82

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 18:47:44
84, Horrible Cankers, I think there would an explosion if they banned farting.
83

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 19:02:36
83, seanie, yawning is the keyword. I thought links were sausages.

With regard to recorded temperature levels, these are as accurate as the location of the recording station. Thermometers are supposed to be in the shade but are also subject to wind chill.

Ordinary humans are also able to determine climate change and temperature change.

So let's get real here. It is July 12 and my living room is recording 20 degrees. I say it is cooler than it used to be for the time of year.

Must be global warming according to some.

Listen up, pal, my son is 14 and I reckon his generation have something passed down to them to figure out and sort out all by themselves.

Personally, I reckon all this green c r a p is on a par with biblical scaremongering and governments are cashing in on it.

Carbon footprint, my methane.

84

geekpie,

forfar 12/07/2008 19:10:23
Driving less or not at all is the big one. Recycling is insignificant in comparison.

There needs to be carrots (eg reliable cheap public transport) and sticks (far more tax on petrol).

Last Wednesday the RAC found that the cost of motoring has fallen by 18% in real terms over the past 20 years. That's insane.
85

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 19:11:28
While I am ranting, let me ask why scientists are not researching the basic elements (funded by the green taxes) into how to utilise co2?

One part carbon and 2 parts oxygen = water. Parts of the world do not have enough water and we all have too much carbon. The oxygen will come from the plants once the water is there to grow them.

Go and work out that one and leave me alone with my own problems.
86

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 19:23:14
Oh dear, what a blunder at 88.

Apologies, blush blush. H2O. Co2 gives the beer fizz.
87

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/07/2008 19:28:20
Kerching! Problem solved. Drink fizzy drinks and pee in the desert.
88

StopTheNumpties,

a silly planet 12/07/2008 19:46:26
This is pretty funny. All good stuff, of course (mostly anyway), but it's funny how people think doing these things will reduce an impact (global warming) they aren't even making. Humans flatter themselves too much. The earth will do fine with or without us. Amazing what effect one numpty with a junk science slide show can have on people. The man doesn't even follow his own advice (but then again, it pretty much is worthless advice :-)
89

Euan,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 19:53:22
As poster #8 says, T in the Park is more like the annual Kinrosshire fly-tipping festival, with HUNDREDS of tonnes of discarded plastic waste like tents, chairs, bottles etc having to be picked up and disposed of by the organizers after the event is over.

But the statement in No.7 of Scotland's supposed 'green' tendencies, rather amusingly claims that T in the Park is 'one of the world's largest carbon neutral festivals'

What nonsense, what complete and utter NONSENSE!!

Can you imagine the TENS OF THOUSANDS of litres of fuel burnt off by the tens of thousands of fans driving to and from the festival?, not to mention the hundreds of riggers' vehicles and delivery trucks, or how about all the on-site generators which provide the electricity for the stages and arenas gobbling their way through THOUSANDS of litres of diesel over the course of the weekend?

If T in the Park is carbon neutral then I'm a Dutchman.
90

Kipling,

@DoomRay 12/07/2008 21:38:49
Euan, two similar points (#63 & #92) make a colon, out of which comes garden manure: The real exercise of the festival surely IS to recycle the plastic &c (which has already been manufactured and is just sitting taking up space)!

It may, by the way, interest you to know that snails prefer to slide over plastic than get their feet dirty with earth and I suspect lots of bacteria &c are also truly grateful for the leftovers provided by the festival goers.
91

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 13/07/2008 08:13:37
Well done, seanie, for once again providing ample evidence to counter, indeed demolish, the wilful ignorance of those who still, incredibly, maintain that the Earth is not warming.

All anyone has to do is look at the evidence you have linked to or provided, though it evident that many simply don't want to know, and prefer instead their idiotic falsehoods.
92

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 13/07/2008 11:23:07
70 Horrible Cankers

Isn't there a saying, "They are always the last to know."?

Hot water, champagne, AND olives - DECADENT, DECADENT, DECADENT!

I surmise you lead a life of pious rectitude and personal and sensual denial and not a word above a whisper is uttered in your august and forbidding presence. Non?
93

Unimpressed one,

13/07/2008 11:46:11
#64, No problem I'll send you mine! I'll tell the council some schemies nicked them and they'll come round with replacements.
94

Greenheatman,

TAIN 13/07/2008 12:30:51
This is a bit like cutting down all the railings to help the WW2 effort - none of these railings were ever used to make a single gun - they were all buried unseen in large pits - but it made the people who contributed their worthless railings feel good and that they were doing something positive.

This is the exact same propaganda tactic - get the chattering masses to think that by sticking up a few micro windmills and insulating their lofts they are helping to fight this new war on climate change.

These puny 50 activities above will do absulutely nothing positive in the fight against climate change but make the gullible feel good. Pathetic really!
95

eyeswider,

dreakit 13/07/2008 15:21:16

"June comes in at 26, continuing the downward trend at GISS and making it the seventh lowest anomaly this decade."

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

...seems June is half the temp of last year and some way behind the same month in 1988 - and that is from the political entity NASA - the political entity HadCRU data for June is still not in(July 13th and counting) - makes me wonder what they are doing to it ;-)

The satellites however.....

"Not even GISS can support the conclusion from the last 11 years of data that global warming continues to march upward in unrelenting fashion."

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/


Paste all those links again seanie - I ignored them the first time.

Sneaky, sneaky Hadmet:
http://www.paulmacrae.com/?p=74

Look forward to your winter heating bills. After we pay for the Earth warming up (NOT) we will pay for our homes cooling down.
96

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 13/07/2008 19:28:20
#98 eyeswider

"Paste all those links again seanie - I ignored them the first time."

Like you ignore any evidence that contradicts what you want to believe.

HADCRU is in. Its anomaly is O.314deg C above the 1961-1990 average. Another conspiracy theory bites the dust.

Whoever suggested that "global warming continues to march upward in unrelenting fashion"?

You have two main factors at work:

1. a long term trend for the last 30 odd years equating to an annual increase of 0.019C.
2. an annual variation from natural factors such as El Nino and La Nina and other changes in ocean currents, volcanic eruptions and slight changes in solar radiation. Those annual variations are of the order of 0.2C.

In other words the natural annual variation (both positive and negative) is about ten times greater than the annual global warming increment. That being the case, only an idiot would expect global warming to continue to march upward in an unrelenting fashion.

Since last autumn the annual variation has been negative because of one on the strongest La Ninas for several decades. But then you ignore the incontrovertible evidence for the La Nina event (thermal images of the Pacific) because that evidence doesn't fit what you want to believe either.
97

eyeswide,

13/07/2008 20:43:27
I am flattered Slioch but could you address Harbinger's points above - he posted before me and it would only be fair.
98

seanie,

13/07/2008 22:07:08
Firstly the figure given for June is still an anomaly above the 1951-80 average.

Secondly, how does March fit in with the delusional "continuing downward trend"?

Given that it was the "2nd Warmest March on Record for Globe."

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/mar/mar08.html

As for "June is half the temp of last year" well...it's difficult to know where to begin to address such a searingly incompetent statement.

Leaving aside for the moment your fundamental misunderstanding of what temperature is, you could at least have twigged that the figures you were refering to were deviations from an average. That you took them to mean that "June is half the temp of last year" only demonstrates, once again, your profound confusion.

If it's any consolation you at least gave me a chuckle.
99

eyeswide,

cold, July, Grumpians 13/07/2008 23:24:17
#101 seanie
you returned that compliment with your..... misunderstanding of the word march (I always capitalize a month and use a z where it is correct to do so)

Take up your delusion with the writers of my quoted excerpts please - as I will take up yours with yours.

I do take note that you only ever use the political entities' data products. Check out the satellite readings once in a while if you can break away from the real(yeah sure)climate teat.

For one who cannot read properly you have great confidence in your ability to interpret data and preach your opinion of your result. You are not alone as many people have difficulties, code jockeys for instance who usually make such mistakes with the written word yet are trusted (and entrusted) with machine code.

If you haven't worked out yet that I am giving myself a laugh and you deluded, alarmist scaremongers some rope to hang yourselves with I have had another one right there.

Here is another - at the expense of the March 2008 claim:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/march-2008-rss-global-temperature-anomaly-data-slightly-above-zero/


The main point is that temps have flattened and CO2 levels continue to rise steadily. No MMGW from CO2.

It will get colder from now on. See, I too can repeat myself ad nauseum.

btw:

http://www.paulmacrae.com/?p=74

back, drawing, Go, board, the, to.
100

eyeswide,

cold, July, Grumpians 13/07/2008 23:24:44

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/a_tale_of_two_thermometers/

"The UK Meteorological Office's Hadley Center for Climate Studies Had-Crut data shows worldwide temperatures declining since 1998. According to Hadley's data, the earth is not much warmer now than it was than it was in 1878 or 1941."

No-one has pulled them up on this.

"By contrast, NASA data shows worldwide temperatures increasing at a record pace - and nearly a full degree warmer than 1880."

Ooh - no-one has pulled them up on this either.

"The other two widely used global temperature data sources are from earth-orbiting satellites UAH (University of Alabama at Huntsville) and RSS (Remote Sensing Systems.) Both show decreasing temperatures over the last decade, with present temperatures barely above the 30 year average."

...or that.
101

eyeswide,

cold, July, Grumpians 13/07/2008 23:25:12
I am beginning to think that some of the posters here - Slioch, seanie, Guthrie and fred (to name the most vociferous) are in the pay of Greenpeace or some other extreme (and extremely tricky) bunch of envirobots. There are a few reasons for my belief but main amongst them would be that their claim that the 2 million dollars dished out by Exxon to fund research in the last decade has successfully created the majority public view that "we need do nothing" about AGW.
How about the 2 BILLION that Greenpeace have "received" in the last couple of decades and what they have done with it?

http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/01/well-funded-well-funded-denial-machine.html

Illegal, brutal, deceitful, antagonistic, disruptive, deceptive and manipulative as it has been.

They clamber all over these threads swiftly dispensing the Ministry of Truth's mantras after any inkling of dissent is voiced adainst the "consensus" groupthink of funded entities.

You have been had. Act like men and admit that the gigantic propaganda machine has had you swallow their tripe hook, line and sinker.

102

seanie,

14/07/2008 09:30:01
Whatever.

"June is half the temp of last year"

Still gives me a chuckle.
103

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 14/07/2008 11:01:44
#104 eyeswide

The only thing that can save you from the trough of paranoia and ignorance that you inhabit, Eyeswider, is a thorough scientific education. You have stated previously that you are retired (I think), so you have the time. Why not do an Open University course on basic science along with a module on climatology? (I don't know anything in detail about the OU, but assume such courses exist).
In other words, forget about the details of climate change and all that for a while, but concentrate on getting a general understanding of science. You could then approach climate change with eyes that really were wide open, rather than at present as the dupe of every crackpot website that you devour with such enthusiasm.
It's a serious suggestion: you are obviously interested, but your inability to understand even the simplest of scientific concepts (eg your "June is half the temperature ..." and so many others) means you simply do not have the intellectual tools to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Incidentally: no, I'm not paid by Greenpeace, or anyone else, in any way.
104

M.R. Jackson,

Glasgow 14/07/2008 11:15:00
The bottom line in all this ranting is that ANYTHING done in Scotland makes no difference whatsoever when China, India, the US and even other European countries are taking no action.
All it does is condemns Scots to a demeaned lifestyle, and our industry to being uncompetitive in comparison to other countries who are not required to take these expensive measures.
For God's sake let us look after ourselves for once.
105

seanie,

14/07/2008 11:25:10
If Scotland, and other developed countries, can make successful steps towards reducing emmissions, it will demonstrate to others that it can be done.

There's also the issue that, whilst out current contibution to emissions may not appear significant, our historical contribution is.
106

eyeswide,

trough of paranoia 14/07/2008 14:43:06
OK I will bite. Here is my comment with the missing word (ANOMALY) amended:

"June comes in at 26, continuing the downward trend at GISS and making it the seventh lowest anomaly this decade."

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

...seems June is half the temp *ANOMALY* of last year and some way behind the same month in 1988 - and that is from the political entity NASA - the political entity HadCRU data for June is still not in(July 13th and counting) - makes me wonder what they are doing to it ;-)

The satellites however.....

"Not even GISS can support the conclusion from the last 11 years of data that global warming continues to march upward in unrelenting fashion."

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/

(for the nitpickers - yes I realise that 26 is less than half of 53. I am being even handed/generous/magnanimous etc - privileges not afforded by the faithful apparently)

This is so typical of green(envious) warmers(hotheads)

Pick on the semantics, avoid the science.

107

seanie,

14/07/2008 14:47:38
The NASA/GISS data for global temperatures;

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

The ten hottest years worldwide since 1880 were:

2005, 2007, 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2004, 2001, 1997, 1995.
108

seanie,

14/07/2008 14:48:46
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2007.csv

According to the Hadcru dataset the warmest years since 1850 are; 1998, 2005, 2003, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2001, 2007, 1997 and 1999.

Also the running average over the past decade is significantly higher than any previous period in the record.
109

seanie,

14/07/2008 14:50:32
http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/dept/0108_globaltemp.htm

"To determine if warming has recently stopped, consider the data from the past eight years, from 2000 to 2007. This is a more meaningful comparison than 1998 to 2007, as 1998 temperatures were anomalously high as a result of the "El Niño of the century" (pdf), a natural cyclical event that produced an enormous temperature spike relative to surrounding years. Choosing an El Niño year as that start of the dataset would amount to rather egregious cherry picking (though both GISS temp and HadCRU would still show a warming trend over the decade)."

"Over the past eight years, Earth has warmed 0.025 degrees C per year according to GISS, and 0.014 degrees C per year according to HadCRU, so GISS shows slightly faster warming than over the long-term trend of 0.018 degrees C per year, and HadCRU shows warming slightly slower."
110

eyeswide,

the trough of ignorance 14/07/2008 15:52:57
http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/dept/0108_globaltemp.htm

"There is a considerable danger in inferring too much from these short-term temperature fluctuations, and the period in question is too short to draw either dire or comforting conclusions.

In the end, reporters covering climate change should keep in mind that the relationship between temperature and human greenhouse gas and aerosol emissions is considerably more complicated than we often assume, and natural forcings tend to dominate year-to-year variability."

Funny how you "missed" that bit out seanie.

UAH and RSS over the same period as seanie quotes above?

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/uah-global-temperature-dives-in-may/

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/rss-global-temperature-also-cooler-in-may/

Both show a 2/3C drop since January 2007.

off, are, cliff, a, falling, Temperatures.

111

seanie,

14/07/2008 16:37:42
Oh the irony.

Your arguments rest on cherry picking periods, picking individual months, and ignoring long term trends. To the extent that you don't even reralise that the quote you just highlighted undermines rather than supports you. Specifically;

"...natural forcings tend to dominate year-to-year variability."



112

eyeswider,

14/07/2008 16:40:03
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/uah_1998-2008.png

10 year satellite temperature trend from January 1988 to January 2008 shows 0.028c over 10 years and starts with an El Nino(climate) and passes through a couple of La Nina's(weather).

Just wait until January 2009 folks. Let us see what the 10 year trend is then. Personally I am hoping we get no volcanic activity on which to blame/mask this cooling because if we do we will enter a new dark age as the proponents of MMGW due to CO2 emissions will drag us into that dark, cold place.


113

eyeswider,

blah blah 14/07/2008 16:40:37
Hows that for "...natural forcings tend to dominate year-to-year variability."
114

seanie,

14/07/2008 17:26:11
La Ninas are natural forcings.

A strong La Nina effect developed during late 2007.

January 2008, whislt this natural colling effect was in full swing, was the coldest for some time.

Which is why you're cherry picked it for the purposes of comparison with 1988.
115

eyeswider,

14/07/2008 17:33:29
#114 seanie

http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/dept/0108_globaltemp.htm

Written January 25, 2008

He spoke too soon - and you followed him off the edge off the Temp spike.


116

eyeswider,

again 14/07/2008 17:34:06
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/uah_1998-2008.png

10 year satellite temperature trend from January 1988 to January 2008 shows 0.028c over 10 years and starts with an El Nino(climate) and passes through a couple of La Nina's(weather).

Just wait until January 2009 folks. Let us see what the 10 year trend is then. Personally I am hoping we get no volcanic activity on which to blame/mask this cooling because if we do we will enter a new dark age as the proponents of MMGW due to CO2 emissions will drag us into that dark, cold place.
117

eyeswider,

14/07/2008 17:35:53
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/uah_1998-2008.png

10 year satellite temperature trend from January 1998 to January 2008 shows 0.028c over 10 years and starts with an El Nino(climate) and passes through a couple of La Nina's(weather).

just noticed the smelling mistake
118

seanie,

14/07/2008 18:08:19
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/myths/2.html

Temperatures are continuing to rise

"The recent slight slowing of the warming is due to a shift towards more-frequent La Niña conditions in the Pacific since 1998. These bring cool water up from the depths of the Pacific Ocean, cooling global temperatures.

1998 saw an exceptional El Niño event which contributed strongly to that record-breaking year. Research shows that an exceptional El Niño can warm global temperatures by about 0.2 °C in a single year, affecting both the ocean surface and air temperatures over land. Had any recent years experienced such an El Niño, it is very likely that this record would have been broken. 2005 was also an unusually warm year, the second highest in the global record, but was not associated with El Niño conditions that boosted the warmth of 1998.

Another way of looking at the warming trend is that 1999 was a similar year to 2007 as far the cooling effects of La Niña are concerned. The 1999 global temperature was 0.26 °C above the 1961-90 average, whereas 2007 was 0.37 °C above this average, 0.11 °C warmer than 1999."
119

eyeswider,

dancing with the satellites 14/07/2008 19:01:34
Here are the satellite ANOMALIES.

Remote Sensing Systems:

http://www.remss.com/pub/msu/monthly_time_series/RSS_Monthly_MSU_AMSU_Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_1.txt

June 2007 0.055
June 2008 -0.089

(note the minus....then check the trend in the record)

University of Alabama in Huntsville:

http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt

2007 6 0.21
2008 6 -0.11

(note the minus....then check the trend in the record)

It should escape noone's notice that the Sun has been exceeding quiet over the course of this year.

CO2 continues its smooth climb upwards in spite of the (irony)wild (almost a whole degree C !!-end of irony)global temperature swings we have "suffered" over the last century.

Let us see what January 2009 brings ANOMALYWISE. We are in for an acutely cold winter, after a cool July and August and slightly warmer (than recently) September and October. (the data is littered with such events) This year's Temp ANOMALY could be as much as 2C lower than 2007.

But we should just blame that on a "natural forcing".
120

seanie,

14/07/2008 19:22:19
"This year's Temp ANOMALY could be as much as 2C lower than 2007."

So far 2008 is averaging 0.16 degrees C cooler than 2007.

And your prediction is 2 degrees lower overall?

ROFLMAO
121

eyeswider,

14/07/2008 19:27:37
2007 7 5.8 7.2 11.2 11.9 15.1 15.2 15.4 13.8 10.9 7.3 4.9 10.48



1985 0.8 2.1 4.7 8.3 10.9 12.7 16.2 14.6 14.6 11 4.1 6.3 8.86


2007 10.48
1985 8.86

Yes - it could well be colder than 1985

Patience.

Then laughter is more sweet.
122

eyeswider,

14/07/2008 19:29:01
Central England records btw. I only predict weather for the UK.
123

eyeswider,

14/07/2008 19:44:16
to self - stay on one thread at a time - and not the children's teatime.

to seanie - .(point 2)2C (global)ANOMALY but yes 2 degrees Centigrade colder in the UK than last year.

The bookies put up a better fight this year than last also - doesn't stop me from giving them a sore mouth though.
124

seanie,

14/07/2008 22:19:42
Central England and the UK aren't quite the same thing.

And neither are particularly relevant to the question of global temperature trends.
125

ColinBattle,

Dundee 18/07/2008 11:57:59
It makes a nice change to have a good news story on the front page, but is it really? "Nearly 3000 people" signing up to one or more very elementary green pledges over six months, from a Scottish population of over 5.1 million, doesn't sound very impressive. Even Friends of the Earth Scotland has 4500 supporters!
Either nobody cares, in which case we're all doomed, or the great majority think the 'Ten Steps' campaign is an empty publicity stunt. I hope it's the latter.

 

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