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Henley by-election: Labour suffer humiliating defeat on Brown's anniversary



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Published Date: 27 June 2008
GORDON Brown today marked his first anniversary in No 10 with the humiliation of seeing Labour beaten into fifth place in the Henley-on-Thames by-election.
Labour candidate lost Richard McKenzie lost his deposit as he trailed in behind the Greens and the far right British National Party.

As expected, the Tories comfortably held the seat with a majority of 10,116 over the Liberal Democrats, in a conte
st triggered by the departure of Boris Johnson to become London Mayor.

While Labour had no hope whatsoever in winning in what is natural Conservative territory, party strategists will be alarmed at the dramatic collapse in its vote after it finished third in the last general election.

The result follows Labour's catastrophic loss of the Crewe and Nantwich by-election and its dismal showing in the local council elections and will only serve to deepen the mood of gloom in Downing Street.

Labour MP Martin Salter, who was put up to speak for the party after the count, said that they had been the victims of a classic third party "squeeze" although he admitted that he had not expected to do so badly.

"It is a grim result, our vote was squeezed just as every third party's vote is squeezed. I am very disappointed. We did hope to do better than that," he said.

"It is very difficult to divine a clear message for Gordon Brown in a seat in which we had no chance at all. It is one of the worst seats for Labour in the country." he said.

For the Tories, shadow work and pensions secretary Chris Grayling said that it and been a "very bad night" for both Labour and the Liberal Democrats, who had failed to make any inroads into their majority.

"We have done very well in holding this seat with a majority as big as we have. I feel really confident now that the party is moving forward," he said.

"This is the first time since 1984 that we have won a by-election convincingly against the Liberal Democrats and I think it shows that their legendary by-election campaign machine has run out of steam."

Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said that the result showed that Mr Brown's days in No 10 were numbered.

"After one year in the job Gordon Brown cannot even get enough support to save his deposit," he said.

"Labour's days are well and truly over and it is the Liberal Democrats who are challenging the Conservatives in the south and Labour in the north."

The Conservative candidate John Howell took the seat with 19,796 votes to the Liberal Democrat candidate Stephen Kearney's 9,680.

Labour's Richard McKenzie could only poll 1,066 votes, behind the Green Party's Mark Stevenson on 1,321 and the BNP's Timothy Rait on 1,243.

Both the Tories and the Liberal Democrats saw their share of the vote rise slightly compared with the general election while Labour's fell by more than 11%.



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  • Last Updated: 27 June 2008 9:13 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

The Former Mr. Angry,

27/06/2008 09:27:07
"Labour candidate lost Richard McKenzie lost his deposit as he trailed in behind the Greens and the far right British National Party."

This appears to be less of a judgement on Richard McKenzie than Gordon Brown. The voters and taxpayers are no doubt delighted to take revenge on an unelected PM whose policies as both chancellor and PM have led this country on a downward spiral economically - the very area in which he claims competence. Add to this the arrogance over the EU referendum and his fate is sealed.
2

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 27/06/2008 09:36:13
"(Labour) party strategists will be alarmed at the dramatic collapse in its vote after it finished third in the last general election.
"

Wouild the journalist or the sub editor care to look at this paragraph and ask themselves : "does this mean anything at all?"

When did Labour finish third in a general election? This is supposed to be a reputable national newspaper?
3

The Spook in Leith,

27/06/2008 09:40:15
Labour came in 5th and they lost the deposit...

lmao... ha ha ha ha...hee hee hee hee...ho ho ho ho...

lol lol lol lol...tickle me bum tickle me bum...

ha ha ha ha..oh ho ho ho ho....hee hee hee hee

lol lol lol lol.....lmao lmao lmao..hee hee hee hee

oh lord i need my coco pops, hee hee hee ha ha ha ha











5th!!!!!!!
4

11+failed,

the pans 27/06/2008 09:41:30
Says it all when the only spokesperson Labour can produce is someone we have never heard of before.
5

Scotish Exile,

27/06/2008 09:42:14
Lovin It.......the result and the picture of Brown the Clown
6

Colkitto,

River Clyde 27/06/2008 09:47:08
And as a newspaper, the Scotsman still backs Labour !

Two failing leaders totally out of touch with the people. Both Labour leaders unpopular and making a mess of things to such an extent they have no chance of wining elections north or south of the border.

Time to wake up Scotsman !
7

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 27/06/2008 09:49:17
"Labour MP Martin Salter, who was put up to speak for the party after the count, said that they had been the victims of a classic third party "squeeze" although he admitted that he had not expected to do so badly."

Should he not be more honest and admit the problems are LABOUR PARTY SLEEZE!!! Nobody expected them to win but to be beaten by the Greens and BNP ?

The newspapers seem so full of great stories this week. Even the northbritishman cannot cover this up.
8

Andra, Dundee,

27/06/2008 09:56:08
#1 The Former Mr. Angry
It was fairly obvious to most voters at the last election that they were voting for the Blair/Brown team and that the plan was for Brown to take over. So I think your a straw grasper by whinging on about "unelected".
If you really want an elected president then there are lots of Republics for you to go live in.
We have a perfectly satisfactory democratic system here where MPs are elected then the PM is largely determined by the MPs.
9

Upbeat,

27/06/2008 09:57:04
On probably the most significant day in the life of the conservative candidate we have to read almost right till the end of this article to discover his name.

Wonderful journalese ...or what ?
10

puskas,

East kilbride 27/06/2008 10:00:44
No8. Hi Andra,

We don't have a democratic system that includes Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland..

Only in your dreams.
11

Capital Boy,

27/06/2008 10:03:46
labour are finished, they care far more about ethnic minorities and poor countries than they do their own people, infact why don't the labour party go and live in one of these countries?
12

GP,

27/06/2008 10:08:21
It is high time the Labour party actually passed some labour policies. Henley on thames is affluent with average earnings over £100k per annum.
Time to make these type pay for their anti social behaviour. Radical thinking like 60p tax for all earning over 100k. why should poor kids get asbos whilst the rich get richer.
CRAZY
13

Stewart C.,

Stranraer 27/06/2008 10:08:21
Why do journalists insist on writing "far right British National Party," yet don't put, "traitorous, overtaxing Labour Party" and the like?

They should sue for discrimination.

I hope I helped in some small way to spread the word about the Government: www.thelabourparty.org
14

rorie,

alloa 27/06/2008 10:09:51
they will be able to claim their deposit back on a housing expenses form.
15

GP,

27/06/2008 10:10:02
It is time mp's were put on performance related pay.
If the country's wealth grows by x% then they get x% if it drops then their salaries drop accordingly.
16

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 27/06/2008 10:10:19
This means there are still 1,066 complete idiots in the Henley On Thames area.
17

Anglofile,

27/06/2008 10:10:34
#11.

They will be soon, they will not stop until we are one of these countries.
18

The Spook in Leith,

27/06/2008 10:13:59
#8
unelected by 78% of the population you mean?

At least in Scotland we have a parliament made up of how we voted...

Labour received 35.3% of the popular vote, equating to approximately 22% of the electorate on a 61.3% turnout

yeh some mandate, get to your bed and begone
19

Fredish,

27/06/2008 10:22:35
Why isn't it called Thame constituency as that's the biggest town in it?

Interestingly UKIP were only 0.5% behind Labour - imagine if Labour had finished 6th!

Good to see the Loonies trounce the ridiculous and pathetic English Democrats!
20

bring them on,

27/06/2008 10:37:44
A good day for news.

Dear oh dear.

At least Gordon Clown is still popular with the masses.

Tony must be having a good laugh as well.
21

James.com,

27/06/2008 10:37:55
On the same day that Labour introduce politically correct " positive " ( Choose any one you want as long as they are not white males ) discrimination, they are beaten in a by-election by the BNP. You couldn't make it up!
22

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 27/06/2008 10:44:08
Happy 1st birthday, Gordon.
23

The Strategist,

27/06/2008 10:50:14
#13 ... Actually you make a good point... This Labour Govt is more industrially treacherous than any previous Govt.
24

Alan B,

27/06/2008 10:54:18
Brown should go now. It is crazy the country has to endure a few more yrs of this.
25

Edward,

27/06/2008 10:57:41
Where is the Wendy Alexander suspended from parliament story???
26

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 11:01:59
"It is very difficult to divine a clear message for Gordon Brown in a seat in which we had no chance at all."

No it is not. The labour candidate lost his deposit. In other words, hardly anyone voted for him. Apparently, the labout candidate came third last time. Now even extremist right-wing groups are beating labour, and so are the greens. How more clear do they want the message to be? Do they need to get beaten by the Official Monster Raving Looney Party before the message gets home?

In fact, the Official Monster Raving Looney Party would probably do a better job of running the country at the moment than stupid labour.

As Alan B says, Brown should go now... ...and take his bunch of morons with him. An audience with The Queen should follow imminently if he has any sense of responsibility left at all.
27

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 11:04:04
12 GP
Do you think that those earning over £100,000 will just sit back and see their net earnings cut by a third. This policy is hopelessly naive. These people will just move their money and/or themselves somewhere with less tax - Isle of Man, Jersey, Ireland, Cyprus, Monaco, Switzerland etc. A simple lesson in arithmetic:
40% of 100,000 = 40,000
60% of 0 = 0
They will take their money out of the country leaving the rest of us to make up the loss in taxation. Whether we like it or not that is the way the world works now.
28

chico y,

Alba 27/06/2008 11:15:47
How pathetic, getting tanked by the BNP, the monster raving loonies will now have liebour in their sights.

Keep up the good work Gordon and Wendy, don't go anywhere fast.
29

Jimmy the Pie,

27/06/2008 11:25:54
What we'll get now is Comrade Broon having a relaunch, to let us all know his visions for the future, with some 'exciting' new initiatives to emphasise his strong leadership. He will explain how the hostile media are misrepresenting his policies.

Oh we've already had 3 of those in the last year.

Padded cell for Comrade Broon and all his cohorts!
30

lovina roe,

Perth 27/06/2008 11:36:03
I think Ugly George's point of view is lazy and has been used for many years now to promote a lack of action against the "top earners". Switzerland's laws are very tightly drawn up to protect the citizens of that country against financial exploitation. Where are our international lawyers who might draft non exploitative laws for the people of Scotland and Britain?

I've said it before; let these fraudsters go. But when they go they must take everything out of the country: their houses, businesses, tax dodges, synecures then go and live in their tax havens and leave a level playing field for genuine entrepreuners. The rules for buying a house, working in Switzerland and becoming a Swiss citizen are very stict. We should adopt some of their policies: no-one exploits the Swiss. There are ALWAYS younger/hungrier/socially committed people in business and politics who are just longing to take over. If they were prepared to work for Scotland/Britain, within rules which, while rewarding ability, would not allow rampant greed,then the country would be a more equitable, happy and proeperous place to live.

This is NOT a description of cloud cuckoo land: it's just that the greedy, sophists who have governed us for so long are confident that we won't be able to see through their tired old scare tactics.

31

Jimmy the Pie,

27/06/2008 11:47:13
GP
Are you seriously advocating that New labour Sleaze should bring on socialist policies???

Are you mad????

They are more right wing than the Tories.

32

ruthie,

alba 27/06/2008 11:52:27
labour - sleazy, conniving, lying, treacherous moneygrabbers. It's time!Great photo!
33

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 11:52:37
30 Iovina Roe
"Genuine Entrepreuners" ? How does this guy rate?

The founder of IKEA - that well known Swedish icon now lives in Switzerland to avoid high Swedish tax on top earners. He pays tax on his vast earnings to the Swiss govt. Meanwhile pensioners and the unemployed in Sweden pay VAT at 12% on food (compared to 0% in the UK)
The fact is that trying to tax the rich too much never works - just as in Sweden they leave the country and the ordinary people are left with the tax burden.

34

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 12:01:19
Lovina,

What the hell are you banging on about? Your ramblings are nothing to do with labour getting trounced at a by-election.

Ugly George, Don't encourage her.
35

Allan(handofgod137),

27/06/2008 12:01:26
ROFLMAO!
36

Nikostratos,

27/06/2008 12:25:49
#29 Jimmy the Pie

"Padded cell for Comrade Broon and all his cohorts!"

I s'pose we will have to share with u and all other Nat extremists gonna need a big cell.
37

Alan B,

27/06/2008 12:26:03
#lovina roe

I have to say i do not think Ugly George analysis is "lazy", much of what he said is correct. The issue is u simply disagree with him philisophically.

At the heart of the matter is perception of fairness. Do we want equality of outcome or equality of opportunity.

Do we try to give people a good chance in life eg education, training and job opportunities etc underpinning it with a health service. And then let them make their own choices between career, leisure, family etc. Or do we want to ask those that chose a more rewarding financial route in their life to subsidise the mistakes and second and third chances of others. And those that simply choose a less financial rewarding route in their life.

If we take the middle 80% of society then how well we do financially is down to the choices we make and how hard we work etc. Did u work at school. Do u choose a career with financial rewards. Do u get trained, do a degree. Are u willing to risk ur house to start a business. Are u willing to study most evenings. Are u willing to say go to london to earn more (even for 5 yrs).

38

Steve McGregor,

Dundee 27/06/2008 12:29:01
I feel sory for Gordon Brown. He is in denial, he quite understands that he is an electoral liability, and so he has been right before the last General election, thats why he wanted Tony Blair to win it for him. They promised the voters that Tony was gonna serve a full term, they deliberately deceived us and now he is paying the price for the crime.
If Gordon is so hungry for power that he is prepared to hold Britain back for two more years for his own egotistical achievements, then clearly he is not the the right person to criticize his mentor Robert Mugabe. Apart from the colour of their respective skin and the style of their moustache, I personally see a lot of similarities regarding their sheer desire to cling into the office which the voters want them out "NOW".
39

elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 12:47:34
Excellent result for Mr Cameron,and the future of the UK.
40

Calum Crubag,

27/06/2008 12:50:45
Labour down with their Unionist bedfellows, the loony combination of skinhead nazis and private-school toffs of the BNP. How apt.
41

Palermo,

27/06/2008 12:53:38
#21 excellent point - like the 10p tax, this divisive "equalities" policy shows Labour to be out of touch and now actively introducing circumstances in employment law that encourage state-sponsored inequalities of opportunity (which the far left has argued for decades was 'scaremongering' and 'not the point' of so-called equalities legislation). I'm all for meritocracy, but this ain't it.

They get what they deserve.

And I agree with another blogger - where's the story on Spendy Wnedy???

Disappeared, like Spendy Wendy is soon to be???
42

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 27/06/2008 12:59:07
No surprises here!
We are burdened with the worst elected government in the recent dis-united UK history.
What surprises me, and many thousands more like me, is how much longer doe we hhave go on suffering under this shower off corrupt, lying and over-paid New Labour impostors ?
43

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 27/06/2008 13:00:57
When Labour came to power in 1997 there was a general "feel good" factor in the country. They enjoyed 10 years of fairly good economic growth in this country and creamed money out of us right left and centre. Now that the sh1t has hit the proverbial fan is the time when a strong leader is needed and GB is showing that he is not that. What about introducing a reduction in fuel tax to offset the rising costs. Is GB doing anything to counteract the effects of the credit crunch? No.
Labour used to be the part of the working classes. Blair took it to be the party that would appeal to the masses. It is quickly becoming the party of no-one.
The problem is the alternatives are all as bad as each other.
44

JayDeeTee,

27/06/2008 13:03:19
The Liebour Party better get used to this because it going to repeat at the next General Election and every by election inbetween. Or should that be bye bye election? Good riddance.
45

The Strategist,

27/06/2008 13:13:06
#43 Nell...... said "They enjoyed 10 years of fairly good economic growth"...

No Nell.. There were ten years of entirely the wrong type of growth...
46

JT,

27/06/2008 13:18:41
Ha Ha Ha!!
47

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 27/06/2008 13:30:50
No. 45:- It was 10 years of milking the profits with no plans for the future and no plans for when things went t1ts up.
48

Mork the Orkan,

27/06/2008 13:31:31
It is humiliating for Labour that they collected less votes than the BNP (The sister party of the SNP).
49

Lady in waiting,

Glenrothes 27/06/2008 13:36:17
Gordon Brown!!!!! Wendy Alexander!!!!!!!
50

TheNim1,

SofFrance 27/06/2008 13:52:01
Can't believe the carping about Labour and Gordon Brown that goes on here all the time. Guess I shouldn't be surprised though.

Anyway I think the result in Henley says more about the people of Henley than it does about Labour. Everyone knows Henley isn't exactly socialist country. The fact that the BNP were ahead of Labour and UKIP also close speaks volumes for the type of society in and around Henley. Having lived near there I ain't surprised.

51

Sam,

Washington DC 27/06/2008 13:52:28
"Labour candidate lost Richard McKenzie lost his deposit...". Just wondering, what is meant by the expression "lost his deposit". Did the chap have to post a bond to stand for election?
52

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/06/2008 13:55:38
Simple choice: we get the chance to vote against the EU or we'll take every chance to vote against Labour.

Between autocracy and sleaze, they're getting precisely what they deserve.
53

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/06/2008 14:00:18
GP hasn't figured it out yet:

"why should poor kids get asbos whilst the rich get richer?"

They get ASBOs because they commit crimes. The rich are too busy getting richer to commit crimes. Spotted the connection yet?
54

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/06/2008 14:02:41
"the monster raving loonies will now have liebour in their sights."

Brown's electoral strategy is to split the Silly Vote.
55

Fredish,

27/06/2008 14:06:35
TheNim1 - not so! As recently as 1997 over 12000 people voted Labour in this constituency. In 1966 Labour received 45% of the vote. What's interesting is not who won (which was never really in doubt) but the share of the vote and Labour's collapsed more than anyone predicted it would - people who previously voted labour in Henley, and last time round there were almost 7000 of them, voted for someone else this time (including the BNP) or stayed at home.
56

GP,

27/06/2008 14:19:27
53# it is you who have no clue!
society or I should say politicos make the rich richer who then do not like the normal actions taken by kids from deprived areas who may stray into their sheltered police protected well healed estates, probably because they have no where to go and the nearest pathc of green grass is within the confines of the wealthy area and is only to be viewed not used.
So they find themselves in trouble for perhaps kicking a ball and get an immediate fast response from the police giving them a verbal warning not to do it again. Because there is nowhere in there area kept well enough to play on they go back and once again the nimby's panic and call the cops who this time subject these innocents to an asbo.
Meanwhile the nimby's pass more laws to ensure that these kids are deprived thus ensuring their wealthy lifestyle continues uninterrupted by those that they wish they could sweep undeer the carpet.
Perhaps we should review our taxation policy in line with benefits including the social benefit of better policing better health better homes better food etc etc.

No you are the one who has no clue about where this country is heading.
57

Ken S.,

Reading 27/06/2008 14:21:57
#4 11+failed,
".. the only spokesperson Labour can produce is someone we have never heard of before."

Purely local relevance. Salter is Labour MP for an adjacent constituency and was wandering around the hall looking very glum!

The occasion was lightened by the two Miss Great Britain contestants who had stood as independents. The blonde got 128 votes against the brunette's 91. I thought that was a fact I should share with you.

#12 GP,
".. Henley on Thames is affluent with average earnings over £100k per annum."

Henley itself is a certainly a bit upper crust. However, the Henley constituency as a whole is a mixed bag, stretching from northeast of Oxford down to Reading borders. I certainly ain't well off!

#51 Sam,Washington DC
A candidate has to lodge £500 with the election office. That money is forfeited if the candidate fails to get at least 5% of votes cast.
The idea is to deter frivolous candidates. --- Not that it stopped two Miss Great Britain contestants, a man dressed as a Bear, and another with a large banana-shaped hat from losing their deposits, as usual, along with more serious minded but nevertheless nil chance folk.
It was great fun but a bit surreal at times. One moment, the foyer was like a fashion show, with the glamour candidates and entourage sleeking through. A cluster of clowns in the cafeteria transformed it momentarily into an adult version of a McDonalds birthday party. Then a procession of be-buttoned and be-badged folk put in a good imitation of a convention of Pearly Kings & Queens. And all around, enough rosettes to make a pony show very envious.



58

Ford Trans!t,

27/06/2008 14:25:17
1066 votes for Labour!

That's one in the eye for the Saxons!

Do we get a commemorative postage stamp?

Or a tapistry?

600yrs of Norman Overlords perhaps?

59

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 27/06/2008 14:27:39
In this country we don't "do" unelected prime ministers. I hope Brown soon disappears into the wilderness and reflects on that simple truth.
60

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/06/2008 14:30:36
GP postulates:

"politicos make the rich richer who then do not like the normal actions taken by kids from deprived areas who may stray into their sheltered police protected well healed estates"

Getting drunk, smashing car mirrors and knifing each other isn't normal behaviour (well, except in Glasgow).

"Because there is nowhere in there area kept well enough to play on"

Do you reckon the rich are coming over to these areas to smash glass and have their rottweilers sh1t on the grass? I don't think so. If they have so much spare time, they could clean it up themselves.
61

No 42 days,

27/06/2008 14:51:27
I reckon NuLabour are worse than the BNP. Hitler couldn't have dreamt of the Civil Contingencies Act, so he had to implement his Enabling Act to gain power.
62

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 27/06/2008 14:58:16
#61 Very true and how funny (in an ironic and horrible way) it will be to see unelected Gordon Brown lecturing Mugabe for stealing his own election in Zimbabwe today.

Look in the mirror Broon.
63

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 15:04:09
57 Ken S
It sounds as though events in Henley were quite entertaining. BTW what was the turnout? Did people say they woudn't bother voting because "they are all the same"? From what you are saying that can't have been the case.
64

sigholm,

ayr 27/06/2008 15:21:53
Desperation hasn't set in yet.
They have yet to bring in Lord 'Blaw Jaws' Foulkes!
65

Ken S.,

Reading 27/06/2008 15:31:23
#63 Ugly George
Just over 50% turnout, as compared with just under 68% in last general election.

John Howell - Conservatives, 19,796 (56.95%, 3.46% increase on 2005 general election share of vote)
Stephen Kearney - Liberal Democrats, 9,680 (27.85%, 1.84%)
Mark Stevenson - Greens, 1,321 (3.80%, 0.54%)
Timothy Rait - British National Party, 1,243 (3.58%)
Richard McKenzie - Labour, 1,066 (3.07%, -11.68%)
Chris Adams, UK Independence Party, 843 (2.43%, -0.07%)
Bananaman Owen - Monster Raving Loony Party, 242 (0.70%)
Derek Allpass - English Democrats, 157 (0.45%)
Amanda Harrington - Independent (Miss Great Britain Party), 128 (0.37%) Blonde
Dick Rodgers - The Common Good, 121 (0.35%)
Louise Cole - Independent (Miss Great Britain Party), 91 (0.26%) Brunette
Harry Bear - The Fur Play Party, 73 (0.21%)


With 12 candidates on the list, it was a full A4 sized ballot sheet. I'd guess that there is little evidence of those who don't usually bother to vote turning out in any force, as compared with any previous examples

534 votes in total for the 'fun' candidates possibly isn't much evidence of this, given that half the electorate stayed home.


The count was certainly great fun. I attended as an official accredited journalist for a noted periodical. Well, no, OK - I've always wondered what goes on at these occasions, so I turned up out of interest (particularly bearing in mind the number of weird candidates!) and then did a little jokey piece on it for the village newsletter.

#58 Ford Transit
Just about the best and most ingenious quip I've seen on any topic!


66

Richard Lionheart,

27/06/2008 15:35:42
Brown and out!

still we see two despots in the World say that they are getting on with their jobs.
67

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 15:58:24
65 Ken S
Thanks for the info. I see that you have included the Monster Raving Loony Party candidate as one of the "fun" candidates. Is that entirely fair? Many support one of their policies - linking rises in MPs pay to rises in the minimum wage.

Did any of the others have interesting policies?
68

Ken S.,

Reading 27/06/2008 16:20:54
#67 Ugly George
'Common Good' wants to make the world a better place, make trains run on time, rediscover falling in love.

The blonde and the brunette didn't list any policies on their leaflets, just 'vote for..' and a fetching pic.

Don't seem to have had a leaflet from the Monster Loonies or Fur Play

Loonies website however enlightens one greatly on their manifesto, of which number one is:
"1.One Sided Policy
It is proposed that The European Union end its discrimination by creating a "Court of Human Lefts" because their present policy is one_sided."

http://www.omrlp.com/index.php?page=home
(it also has a pic of the Miss GB girls)

You have just caused me to ascertain more detail than, in retrospect, I could sanely have wanted to know ;-)


69

Graham Simpson,

Vancouver 27/06/2008 16:27:52
nbr 8 Andra... You are quite right that we all should all go and live in another country that's a republic. And we certainly shall!... that country is called Scotland ... not Britain! Thank you for supporting the movement towards independence for our nation.
70

European Scot,

27/06/2008 16:53:13
57 Ken S

Good Evening Ken S !
Nice description of a fun event.
Unless of course you happen to be a New Labour supporter, a dying breed if ever there was one.
So how goes the English Independence movement ?
I have to be honest, the English Democrats London Mayoral political broadcast, was less than impressive.
I really do hope England can do better than that, they deserve to be served by a more acceptable form of 'democracy' than was on offer that particular day.
During the Scottish Parliament's recess, I'm hoping Alex will be well guarded.
I've got images of you, and others, doing a Stone of Scone on him, and sneaking him off to London Headquarters, in preparation as the new leader of the English Independence Party.
Now we did agree to consider leasing him out post Scottish Independence, but not before, besides It should only be another three years at most !
So, in all honesty, how do you see things ending up on both sides of the border, in say 5 years time ?
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 27/06/2008 17:20:24
"Labour MP Martin Salter, who was put up to speak for the party after the count, said that they had been the victims of a classic third party "squeeze""

No Mr Salter, It was a five-way party "squeeze" - and YOUR lot ended last of the five.
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Malc.F,

france 27/06/2008 17:25:51
Surely you all miss the point. Henley was, is and forever will be a tory toff seat supported by their forelock tugging serfs. It says plenty for these people that more of them voted for the disgusting BNP than voted for the party who finally got us away from the working class haters of the Thatcher generation, you all forget too easily but I don't. Be warned if Cameron gets in watch your backs or leave planet GB forever and strike out on your own. I say this as a detester of Salmond and his cronies and that thing that all working class scots should be Labour.
I was so disgusted at the medias treatment and the subsequent defeat of Neil Kinnock that I gave up and went to live in France,a move I have never regretted. Brown is 50 times more decent and honourable than Blair and yey the media take him to task constantly when they know that he whole world is in rescession and in fact Britain is doing relatively well thanks to Gordon.

THINK REMEMBER THATCHER
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The Canadian,

27/06/2008 17:40:09
Seems odd just how anti-Gaelic so many of the people in Scotland really are.
I have just finished listening to a program on Radio nan Gaidheal which was broadcast this morning and where it is clear that strong anti-Gaelic sentiments not only exist in Caithness but also in other parts of Scotland.

What an image to have that partents in Thurso who want their children to be educated in Gaelic are being held back in doing so, by a system whose officials go out of their way to hold things up time and time again.
12 years in all at the last count.

Where is the body that is supposed to be looking after the interests of the Gaelic speakers or learners be they parents or anyone else? Are they no longer functioning?

Sad, sad day for Scotland.
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Kent2,

27/06/2008 18:05:25
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Don’t hurry back.
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Kent2,

27/06/2008 18:07:36
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And keep taking the tablets, you never know they might work
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zigzag,

Canada 27/06/2008 19:04:42
Losing in Henley seem like its time Brownie got into his wee boat and rowed away to some place far far away.

And please dont row ashore Gordo. Big ocean out there and the sharks could use some feeding.
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Ken S.,

Reading 27/06/2008 19:14:51
#72 European Scot
Bonjour EuroEcosse or Goede Avond EuroSchotse, or wherever you are!

Am very despondent re English Democrats, especially after last night*, finishing down the list from Monster Loonies!
[* which explains delay in responding, 'cos I fell asleep in the armchair]

It's a matter of great product/lousy marketing, recent candidates (and, for all I know, ones before I became aware) having been somewhat less than sparkling examples of St Georgeishness. However, in retrospect, maybe it was a pity that the Batman, ex-Fathers-for-Justice guy dropped out of the London mayoralty race, because dressing up in silly costumes obviously works in favour of the Monster Loonies! Surprisingly, the non-existent EngDem candidate still got several hundred 1st preference votes and several thousand 2nd preference ones, the ballot papers having been printed before he withdrew.


Part of the problem is of course tiny party = tiny bank balance, hence nowhere near the same PR resources as larger parties. It would be better if they focussed on their one or two special points, rather than dissipating effort on demonstrating that they are not a single issue party. No point in bothering much about an economic policy if you ain't going to be in government any time soon and there is nothing inherently wrong in being single issue.

The odd thing is that polls indicate support for an English parliament to be quite widespread. Given that a by-election can be treated as a mini-referendum, because it doesn't eject or save a governing party, I can't deduce why more people didn't use their vote to that end, rather than on, say, Monster Loonies (with deepest respect to them, as they were great fun to talk to).

Consequently, I'm getting dubious as to whether this represents the optimum way forward for attaining an English Parliament, as compared to the non-politically aligned Campaign for an English Parliament that I also subscribe to. It's the likes of Frank Field MP that sta
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 27/06/2008 19:19:47
#75 Canadian. Gaelic medium education unit in Pennyland School Thurso will open at the start of the new school term in August.

There has been Gaelic nursery eduction in Thurso for a while now.
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Porky,

West Midlands 27/06/2008 19:20:54
# Calum Crubag. I vote BNP and I'm not a "skinhead nazi or private-school toff" I'm a hard working, overtaxed Englshman who's sick of his country being given away to 3rd world scroungers by YOUR reject politicians. Cameron (a wannabe born again Blair) is just as bad - so I vote for the only nationalist party we have - didn't half of your countrymen do the same?
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Ken S.,

Reading 27/06/2008 19:24:31


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stand a better chance of nudging this forward within England.

As to your suggestion of forecasting 5 years hence, I think it is developments north of the border that will drive events. Whither they will be driven is a moot point!
Calman recommendations could be a catalyst for reappraisal of attitude of Tories and/or Labour to English Home Rule, as it would possibly be reasonable to presume that DevolutionPlus would be quite high profile in starkening (if there be such a word) the differences between Scottish and English governance and strengthen public opinion down here towards equivalence, with an English Parliament in the process of being set up.
DevPlus will soak off some of the inclination towards Scottish independence, the outcome of the referendum being to stay in UK for another couple of decades or so, at least, though with continuing divergence between the two countries way of doing things as the years go by.

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Helen,

Rosewell 27/06/2008 19:52:31
As a member of the Green Party I'm absolutely delighted that we came 3rd!!!!
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 19:56:52
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Ken S.
The UK could have been saved if a proper federal government had been set up, not this halfway house of devolution, with all the tensions and perceived injustices.

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Ken S.,

Reading 27/06/2008 20:12:26
#85 Conan the Librarian™
I see some sort of federation as still a possibility, though perhaps more something that we only realised in retrospect that we had arrived at progressively, rather than consciously constructed.

Going off at a bit of a tangent, If I were a denizen of Scotland, I would feel a bit put out that I apparently needed so much governance, with MPs, MSPs and a Scottish Office!

Before devolution 600+ MPs looked after the UK. In principle, I don't quite see why devolution (inc England) couldn't have been achieved by those MPs sitting in their national parliaments part of the time, then together as UK parliament at other times. .. or maybe the Lords being reconstituted as a wholly or partly elected UK parliament. That upper house could be weighted in some way so as to lessen the numerical superiority of English representation.
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The Canadian,

27/06/2008 20:19:02
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A report on Radio nan Gaidheal today said it was not going ahead because of anti-Gaelic feelings in Caithness.
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Ken S.,

Reading 27/06/2008 20:22:49
#84 Helen,

"As a member of the Green Party I'm absolutely delighted.."

Yeah, they seemed quite chuffed at the Thame count, as well !


.. Which reminds me:
#19 Fredish,
"Why isn't it called Thame constituency as that's the biggest town in it?"

Not much between the two, populationwise. But I think the answer is that Henley is what it was when the seat was established 150 years ago, so Henley it has stayed ever since. No idea whether Henley was bigger than Thame then or, with all the boundary adjustments that have taken place over the years, whether Thame has always been in the constituency boundary.
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 20:23:55
86
Hehe. Ken, that is why we are trying to pare it down a bit!
The Republican element is being played down at the moment too.
Once Liz pops her clogs, there is no way that Charlie will be our darling...
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SouthernSkye,

Bonnie Bonn 27/06/2008 20:42:35
#75 Canadian.
Skye/Western Isles full o Gaellic. Not sure aboot up the top.

80 Ken S.,Reading
Many many thanks for the insight. I got more information from your postings than from the Scotsman article. Stay around and keep us posted in the future. We need a few extra journalists around;-)
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Ken S.,

Reading 27/06/2008 21:11:38
#89 Conan the Librarian™
Oh crafty little non-regal bookworm!

#90 SouthernSkye,Bonnie Bonn
You're welcome. Gute Nacht
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27/06/2008 21:12:05
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AM2,
Scotland,UK 17/05/2008 11:48:59
ANNOUNCEMENT

I have just deleted all my posts and my account. This post is being made from a temporary account, and it will be the last post I will ever make on this website or the Herald using this or any other username.

Last night, someone posting on this thread tried to reveal my real-life identity, location, email address etc.

They got it wrong. What they actually revealed was the name of an ex-business associate of mine whose details I had used to sign up on the Scotsman and Herald blogs and on whose initials and persona I based AM2. With hindsight, that was a very stupid thing to do.

But anyway, somehow those personal details had made it into another individual’s hands, and he posted some of them to the thread.

Thanks to the moderator for being so responsive when I phoned.

Most of the people who regularly post here disagree with me about Scotland’s future. A small number of those people are extraordinarily vehement about it. I have even been threatened on a couple of occasions.

I don’t mention that as a reflection of any strand of political thought. It isn’t. It’s just to set the scene.

Posting here is no longer worth it. There’s no fun in such “psych-ops”. Life’s too short. I have a wife and kids.
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 21:16:45
91
Please, just what are you trying to achieve?
Surely the bloody car has been sold by now thanks to all this free publicity?

Mind you I would never have bought a VW in the first place...
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 21:40:05
Evening Meths

How are you?