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Published Date:
12 May 2007
GORDON Brown set out his vision of leading Britain into an era of spin-free politics, pledging to heal the scars left by Tony Blair over Iraq and parliamentary sleaze while not going back on New Labour's reforms of public services.
The prime minister in waiting signalled the end to the Blair era obsession with presentation and vowed to "listen and learn".

Mr Brown rejected the notion that he would drag the party back to its Old Labour ways, where "sectional interest" was more important than the views of the general voters.

Under the slogan "Gordon Brown for Britain", he promised a new constitution that would "protect the Union" - a clear warning to the Scottish Nationalists.

But much of his speech was designed to appeal to Middle England - and reassure those who made the transition from the Tories to his party in 1997 that he would not evacuate the centre ground.

Indeed, it was English marginal constituencies that Mr Brown wanted to concentrate on yesterday, as he set off on a series of whirlwind visits.

The day started for him in Enfield, which was the seat of Michael Portillo, the former Tory Cabinet minister who was a casualty of Labour's 1997 landslide.

He had good news early on, with two of his strongest critics endorsing him: Alan Milburn and Stephen Byers, both former Blairite Cabinet ministers.

In an endorsement lacking his usual spark, Mr Blair also said of Mr Brown: "He has shown, as perhaps the most successful chancellor in our country's history, that he's got the strength and the experience and the judgment to make a great prime minister."

While a challenge to Mr Brown could still come from the left-wing camps of Michael Meacher or John McDonnell, he is all but assured of the job to be vacated by Mr Blair on 27 June.

During his launch, Mr Brown did not distance himself from the reforms of New Labour, but he signalled a move away from the "cult of celebrity" and sleaze allegations that had tarnished Mr Blair's years in office.

He implicitly criticised the legacy of his predecessor, stating that his premiership would be guided by a "moral compass" instilled in him by his father, a Scots minister of religion, and his mother.

Heeding criticism for not showing enough of his "human" side, Mr Brown also spoke about the rugby accident when he was a teenager that nearly robbed him of his sight.

The Chancellor acknowledged that one of the biggest rifts he would have to heal was Iraq. He plans to go there before he takes over

at Number 10.

Although Mr Brown stressed his determination to confront terrorism, he said it must succeed "not only militarily but also opening a new front: working with our allies to win the battle of hearts and minds at home and abroad".

His approach to Iraq would focus on uniting the divided communities and building jobs, as much as security, he said.

Ignoring the usual rule never to discuss the Queen's Speech, Mr Brown said one of his first pledges before parliament would be to conduct a widespread public consultation on future policy.

"I want to lead a government humble enough to know its place," he said.

He referred to the party as "New Labour", a signal to Blairites that he was not moving from the centre ground. "I am absolutely committed to continuing the reforms we started," he said.

Mr Brown, denounced as a ruthless Stalinist by a top civil servant, promised inclusivity. His government would draw on talents from outside the party, he said, a clear signal that he would not recoil from using expertise from the private sector to shore up public services.

The citizen would be in control of public services, he said, which exist "for the pupil, the parent, the patient and the public who are to be served".

His government would relinquish some of its powers of patronage in the same way as the Treasury under Mr Brown had given power to the Bank of England to set interest rates.

One move expected from Mr Brown is to distance the NHS from politics by appointing an independent board to run it, similar to the Monetary Policy Committee.

Anyone nominated for high office in the public sector could be subject to US Senate-style hearings, he said.

In a clear warning to unions and public sector workers hoping for inflation-busting pay rises, he said: "This will be a government of the national interest and will not be a government of any sectional interest.

"We speak for the whole country, we do not speak for one interest in the country, or one faction or one group."

The remark was also meant to reassure Middle England that he would not forget its interests, as was his line that he would "rule for the whole of Britain".

The only time Mr Brown's mood appeared to darken was when he was asked how he would work with an administration in Holyrood that was not driven by Labour.

"Let's wait and see what happens in Scotland," he said.

Labour insiders said this showed Mr Brown had not reconciled himself to the loss of the election in Scotland - while his slogan "Gordon Brown for Britain" seemed to highlight, rather than disguise, his Scottishness.

His pledge to overhaul the constitution included a vow to "strengthen the Union".

If Mr Brown was spoiling for a confrontation, Alex Salmond, the SNP leader, was not going to give him one. Before his expected swearing in as First Minister next week, Mr Salmond said he believed Mr Brown would "work constructively" with an SNP-led administration.

TEN STEPS TO NUMBER 10

EVEN if he does not face an election for the top job, Gordon Brown will be eager to prove he has the mandate to govern for the whole country. In the weeks ahead, here are 10 things he will want to tick off his "to do" list:

• 1. Show he has learned lessons from the Scottish elections, take some responsibility for them and show he will work with Alex Salmond. As prime minister his party will need to be confident that Gordon Brown can win elections in the face of a resurgent Conservative Party under David Cameron.

• 2. Take more trips abroad: While Tony Blair was criticised for his jet-setting, there are fears Mr Brown is not well travelled enough, despite his anti-poverty initiatives in Africa, Iraq and recent visit to India.

• 3. Appease the reformers and, more importantly, swing voters in the country. Even those who criticise Mr Brown should be included in his top team if they have talent, such as John Hutton, the Blairite Work and Pensions Secretary.

• 4. Wipe the floor with David Cameron and his lieutenants by concentrating on his strengths. The Chancellor is a heavyweight, outflanking Mr Cameron with substance and detail on his vision.

• 5. Take seriously the concerns of first-time buyers while planning how to manage a decline in the economy. Much of the country's feel-good factor is built on soaring house prices, but not everyone has enjoyed a stake in these. What's worse is that Brown could suffer at the polls if the market slumps.

• 6. Continue to woo the City but make overtures to small business, the sector that got hammered in the last Budget. Mr Brown needs to reconnect with this substantial section of the electorate.

• 7. Get civil servants on board for any planned reforms and buck the idea that he is a ruthless Stalinist. One of Mr Blair's greatest bugbears was the resistance to his ideas in Whitehall.

• 8. Set out what he will do with the NHS and education, and reassess PFI for the sake of future generations.

• 9. Show the public more of the humorous and human side that is displayed potently away from the cameras.

• 10. Stop worrying about being Scottish. It could be the middle-class English who are more willing to embrace Britishness who could save the union for Mr Brown.

Keynote speech generates a mixed reaction


Joanne Williams, 39, lecturer

"I think he came across as very intelligent and more modest about his own celebrity than some other politicians.

"I thought at the beginning and the end he was very strong but in the middle of the speech I was slightly losing focus. I liked his focus on policy rather than personality - but I'm not sure if people will listen to him if he doesn't attract their attention. Towards the end, talking about himself, he really got into it and that was more engaging.

"He doesn't have that youthful glamour that David Cameron has or that Tony Blair had - but people might find it refreshing to go beyond the sound bytes and think about what Britain really needs."

Thom McCarthy, 57 businessman

"He's had a lot of time to consider his position. He's served his apprenticeship and he has a degree of maturity which is a good thing.

"He is more in the mould of John Smith than Tony Blair. But Brown is tarred with the same brush as Blair, he voted for the war in Iraq - and he destroyed many people's pensions.

"This is a shoo-in for Brown. He is the best person qualified for the post and we should give him a chance. But the most important thing will be how he deals with Iraq. The country is in a state of civil war and our soldiers are playing a holding game. He spoke about listening and learning and I hope he means it."

Ralph Sanders, 24, analyst

"I'D never seen a speech by him. He didn't come across as dour like people always say he is.

"At the beginning he didn't look all that comfortable. The substance was there but it was just like one big paragraph. Towards the end he did pick up, when he got away from the empty plaudits and he said: 'I'm going to do this', 'I'm going to do that'.

"But he came across as a little bit complacent. He knows he is the front runner. He doesn't have to make people's minds up. He just has to turn up.

But I'd be more likely to vote for Gordon Brown than Tony Blair - he's more trustworthy. Towards the end Tony Blair got a bit smarmy."

Charlotte Gosling, 28, PR manager

"He looked very tired. I wonder if he will do like Alan Sugar did and get an eye job? He kept using words like 'driving' and 'building'. It just made me feel he was going to drive everything and build everything, and I don't think that is what we need.

"It was a sort of 'one size fits all' speech - making sure he mentioned things like health, education and housing. I would have been more reassured if he had said I'm going to change these three things.

"I think Britain is very behind a lot of European countries in terms of things like carbon emissions and public transport."

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1

www.scottwebb.co.uk..,

12/05/2007 00:59:06

Hes a Bilderberger :)

2

Willie Macleod,

Wick 12/05/2007 02:26:17

#1 No he is not. You are a paranoid conspiracy theorist

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Sean K,

Edinburgh 12/05/2007 03:52:57

Yes No. 4,
My difficulty is how he could sit behind Tony Blair and give his full support to the lies over Iraq, the illegal war, and the Thatcherisation of the Labour party. For years he allowed Blair to walk all over him - not a whimper of protest ! And he has effectively robbed thousands of pensioners of much their income. That plus the behaviour of his pet followrs, the Alexander's, - all indicators of the down side of a Brown administration.

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Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 12/05/2007 03:57:15

#4 col Blimp :-)

It seems to happen everytime someone is in power too long (Blair, Thatcher, Mugabe etc.) their moral compass just goes south!!!

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S.Macleod,

in bed 12/05/2007 05:12:59

As regards to him being a "Bilderberger", just watch where he goes on (May 31 - June 3) because the 2007 meeting is in Istanbul, Turkey on these dates.

8

Wisnaeme,

12/05/2007 05:15:39

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Thats the truth of the matter comment 4.Ten years is a very long time in politics,long enough for part of the big picture to surface,despite denial and spin from apologists.A new,new beginning? Trust in? Confidence in? No, I don't think so.I'm not buying that from a second hand salesman selling dubious soiled goods.

9

Alberto.,

12/05/2007 06:04:34

From the vigorously attempted vote winning speeches now being made by Gordon Brown, I assume that he has obviously, over the last ten Blair years, been living a lie, simply to achieve his career endeavour of reaching the 'Top Job' - regardless!

In view of his now new 'Promises' (crunch time has arrived!) for the betterment of the Country, we should not forget that he is as much responsible for the downfall of our way of life, and the drastic lack of respect we once had in the world, by his unflinching support for Blair in all his activity, that has almost brought us to our knees - regardless of Public opinion being loudly voiced against such actions at the time!

Now he wants us to support him, but how can we when he has shown completely and thoroughly he cannot be trusted – period!

Perhaps, like most, if not all of the current and many past, of the Politicians, as we see and read about some of their activities – or lack of, the great financial gain and advantage the job offers is the main attraction! Not too difficult to imagine!

And now suddenly, as Gordon Brown's career - and the New Labour Party is obviously / fortunately coming to the end, perhaps he should, like his 'Buddy Tony'(?) call it a day, and leave the ship before it sinks, as many of the other rats are following tradition and doing so!

10

doris d,

12/05/2007 06:31:59

So Shrek is about to take over the top job at last!!!!

He's certainly hung around in the shadows long enough but has lacked the b- lls to get rid of Bliar on behalf of the country. He's robbed pension funds/made a horlicks of the tax credit system he introduced/sold off our gold reserves thereby losing us £5bn-not to mention acquiescing over Iraq. Not a great endorsement for our next PM.
My only hope for the UK is that the Tories take over at the next Westminster election-and I never thought I'd ever say that!!

11

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News Room 12/05/2007 06:36:32

Sounds like the phrase

"I was only obeying orders" (for the last ten years) could be apt.

If he was anything like honest he would not have supported Blair for so long, he should have challenged him outright.

I have zero confidence in him.

12

Cadgers,

Perth 12/05/2007 06:46:44

#11 Katmantwo 2 At the moment we have no choice, he's just been foisted on us for the next 2? years.

13

Heidegger,

Fife 12/05/2007 07:04:23

Brown should note that this is not Zimbabwe
- we have cabinet government - it's not
a matter of one cock-eyed Fifer's vision -
& as H G Wells said grown men don't need
leaders, & a forteriori don't need Brown.

14

Glorfindel,

12/05/2007 07:25:42

#12. Shrek prefers making movies!!!

15

jdships,

12/05/2007 07:35:46

10 Victor & 13 Citylocal Fife
You two have put it almost perfrctly IMHO !

Brown's statement
" I want to lead a government humble enough to know its place," beggar's belief !
Does he honestly think ,with his track record, anyone will believe him ?
"If pig's could fly etc " comes to mind

16

Old Roy,

Balack Isle 12/05/2007 07:36:34

7# W Smith. Everything you wrote is absolutely correct but I'm afraid on this thread you have wasted your time. Most of the writers are blinkered and indoctrinated by left wing media reports and so do not face facts. The herd, I fear are facing the wrong direction, all taking instructions from the BBC ( Barely Believable Crap )!

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Foresight,

By the Babbling Water of Leith 12/05/2007 07:45:15

What a joke - Brown has spun every budget he has felivered over the last decade. Can the leopard really change his deeply engraned spots????

18

Glorfindel.the.Second,

12/05/2007 07:47:01

I'm thinking of leaving Scotland and going back to Lothlorien. If this is Brown's reality, I'm off to do some adventuring, battling with orcs and balrogs.

19

IWright,

12/05/2007 07:47:59

Humble? Gordon Brown! The man is arrogant, tactless and charmless. A shameless careerist and string puller.

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bill1,

12/05/2007 07:52:14

1. www.scottwebb.co.uk.

"Hes a Bilderberger :)"

He wasn't last year. Ed Balls and George Osborne are. Next meeting in Istanbul at the end of this month.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/110606Atten...

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Colin B,

Bearsden 12/05/2007 07:53:57

Brown will not reform the public services -because he won't take on Unison etc who exist to protect our incompentent civil servants - these are civil servants who take years to get body armour and vehices to Afghanistan, get fingerprints wrong, spend £440M on the Scottish Parliament, are off sick a lot, overspend, don't enforce our borders, grant freedom to dangerous criminals. To do so Brown will need to get rid of failed ministers who over populate the cabinet eg Ruth Kelly, Des Brown, Douglas Alexander, Beckett, Straw (frightening prospect him going back to the home Office! what about Mandelson, Blair or Blunkett Gordon ? ) Patricia Hewett, Alan Johnson ( who gifted them taxpyers money to gold plate their pensions )Tessa Jowell - well all of them actually. Furthermore Brown will not answer the West Lothian question, he'll cut defence spending, retreat into a shell then English voters will quite rightly throw him out. His recent speeches have just been bluster to party activists - he won't mix with the public.

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JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian. 12/05/2007 07:55:18

Will Brown take Labour back to it's roots?
No doubt Bush would have asked him that question a few weeks ago, when Brown went over to America for his job interview.

23

Borderman,

Borders 12/05/2007 07:56:24

#15 "Grown men don't need leaders."

Sorry if I come over like a pedant, but I liked the quote so much, I looked it up. It seems it was made by Edward Abbey.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/e/edward_abbey....

It's a great quote and very appropriate no matter who made it. Thanks for introducing it.

24

The Strategist,

12/05/2007 07:58:42

"Continue to woo the City" Why? It doesn't do us any good.

25

bill1,

12/05/2007 08:00:35

3. Not Brian Taylor

An article about BAP:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1343578,00.html

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bill1,

12/05/2007 08:03:35

9. Rulesbutnotrulers

"Give the guy a chance!"

He's had his chance and blew it when he voted for the Iraq invasion and started writing cheques for it. Just another criminal.

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bill1,

12/05/2007 08:05:18

10. Victor

Well said!

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Entres,

IndependentScotland 12/05/2007 08:08:36

Who do you think you're kidding Mr.Hitler----oo er, sorry Mr.Brown?
Typical hype from a defeated party.

29

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/05/2007 08:17:44

Hey Great Healer - give us back our pension money you looted !

30

SEUMAS,

TAIN 12/05/2007 08:26:44

BUT, WILL HE SPEAK TO ECK???

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Boedica,

Gallia Omnia 12/05/2007 08:34:33

# 12 - you made my day. Shrek. Brilliant.

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Maryann,

12/05/2007 08:38:59

After he has clobbered the middle classes with fiscal drag on stamp duty and inheritance tax, the pensions scandal, the tax credit fiasco, do we want him as PM? No thanks

34

Calummac,

Edinburgh 12/05/2007 08:39:03

If he cant win in Fife how can he win middle England?

35

John Sutherland,

Edinburgh 12/05/2007 08:40:50

Gordon Brown was one of the founders of New Labour and so, I don't see him as being any different from Tony B.Liar. Therefore under Brown, it will STILL be the same old New Labour and that will be proved even more if he doesn't sack Douglas Alexander in his first cabinet reshuffle.

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SouthernSkye,

Pondering the UK from outwith 12/05/2007 08:48:03

9. Rulesbutnotrulers

I think Mr Brown has had numerous chances to show his true colours but has never shone through. Is this because Mr Blair caused such a huge shadow as to geep Mr Brown in the dark? Or was it because Mr Brown wanted the Top Job and did not want to jeopordise it by actually offering his opinions at an earlier date?
I know not. But I do know that Mr Brown is NOT the man to lead the UK. His procrastinating and plundering in his current 'job' have been a farce. How anyone with such a record can come out with such statements is beyond my comprehension.
The final straw for me was in the last budget when he reduced company tax for large companies but INCREASED it for small companies. NOT the act of a man who wants people to try to do well, not the act of a prudent man!

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Evan Owen,

Limbo 12/05/2007 08:48:39

"Ignoring the usual rule never to discuss the Queen's Speech"

He also ignored the law when he declared all those illegal pieces of legislation were compatible with the Human Rights Act 1998. It is all starting to come undone but not sson enough to keep him in his office until the matter is resolved.

He also ignored advice that his attack on pension funds would end in tears, it did end in tears but there is only one man in this country who will double his own pension overnight, him.

I'm sick and tired of hearing a Scottish accent emanating from what seems to be every senior government minister, despite all the spin they don't give a fig for the ordinary people of England or Wales.

Mr Brown should remember the words of his God, "be sure your sin will find you out" when he talks of morals.

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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 12/05/2007 08:53:56

Brown's acid test was when Blair and Brown, on open stage, decided to invade Iraq. At that point Brown could have pulled the plug on Blair and Bush. He did not and backed Blair, morally and financially. It was clear to everyone then that Brown's only mission was to be P.M. He failed in that decision and he will fail as a P.M. Having the brains but not knowing the difference between right and wrong on such a crucial issue gives the lie to your soul.

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Le Drapeau Noir,

Gorgie Road 12/05/2007 08:58:04

He hides his personality well because he hasn't got one!!Dull dull dull.

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Duke,

12/05/2007 08:59:39

Not only has he plundered pension funds, but his insistance on PFI in the National Health service is the cause of many trusts to be virtually bankrupt. Also, his creative accounting in respect of PFI (they do not show up on the country's accounts) will see the taxpayer having to spend billions in the next 10 - 20 years just to service the PFI contracts. This is money that should be spent on front line services, not lining the pockets of already undertaxed corporations.

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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 12/05/2007 09:00:08

For ten years Brown has been in charge of at least two shambolic systems - the FSA and his very own tax credits. What has he done about fixing them ? Don't wait up expecting rapid changes when he takes over, even if he wanted to make them he has not shown that he has the ability to so.

42

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/05/2007 09:00:44

32 - "Will he speakto Eck ?" Paisley and McGuinnes will share power and talk to each other. But expect Broon and Labour to talk to the SNP ? No chance, the SNP are beyond the pale as far as Broon is concerned.

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Florence,

Edinburgh 12/05/2007 09:09:34

We've been told constantly that Brown is the power behind Blair, the true leader. Well, he has been complicit in everything Blair has done. And as for launching his bid for the premiership, the whole thing is a ridiculous sham. Let him take over now if no-one in the Labour Party has the guts to stand against him and let's put an end to seven weeks of hype. I think he is a devious and sly man who takes cover at the first sign of trouble and if we think Blair was a disaster, heaven preserve us from Brown. Pension thief and a perpetrator of spin on a par with Alastair Campbel. Remember the last budget, remember the 75p offered to pensioners? A truly ghastly man.

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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 12/05/2007 09:13:44

#42 Duke
PFI is going to blight us for generations, see this article on London hospitals built under PFI in the Times on Friday. If a city as prosperous as London can't cope with PFI what hope is there for us.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article17...

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AJ fae Fife,

Fife 12/05/2007 09:22:41

Woo, wee, poo....it's aw keech!!!

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morris,

Dun Eidean Alba 12/05/2007 09:26:47

Attempts to disassociate Brown from Blair will not wash.
He was Chancellor in Blair's government and every bit as guilty as Blair was. You simply cannot defend him or indeed any of them.Robin Cook was the only one who expressed his disapproval in New Labour ranks.The rest towed the party line until it threatened their individual gravy train.The guy has had all the chances he needed as Chancellor!He will be judged on that and I personally think he should not bother unpacking at No. 10.
He may have the shortest stay there ever!

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JoeKerr,

Scotland 12/05/2007 09:34:26

Shame on Brown. A Scotsman! Nae, a power happy turncoat. He, and every true Scottish person should be fighting for freedom. Remember words in history declared by true, proud Scots-

"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom – for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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morris,

Dun Eidean Alba 12/05/2007 09:36:31

36

You would appear to be one of precious few who have noticed that far from being Prime Minister,at the moment he wont even be a Member of Parliament! Dunfermline area shows no sign of wanting him back so far! He has got a mountain to climb!

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cataibh,

Ach yur seen it 12/05/2007 10:03:59

I paid into a pension scheme for over 36 years and I should have about 10% more if not for that robber

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Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 12/05/2007 10:12:39

Gordon Brown was joined by his wife Sarah in his campaign to win the hearts and minds of the electorate before he takes over as prime minister in late June. Picture: Getty Images
Sir;
Your first task is....Billions in Oil Missing in Iraq, U.S. Study Says
Sir
can we have some more bizarre news about Iraq. It has put Tony Blaire in a place no British ever went. Oil was the target for the USA attacking Iraq. So if few barrels are missing the oil in bulk with the new embassy built in Iraq, USA is still winning. VETO works and we call this democracy.


The cat and mouse is only the showcase for the world to m=note that there is justice prevailing.


"With two carrier strike groups in the gulf, we’re sending clear messages to friends and adversaries alike. We’ll keep the sea lanes open. We’ll stand with our friends in opposing extremism and strategic threats. We’ll disrupt attacks on our own forces. We’ll continue bringing relief to those who suffer, and delivering justice to the enemies of freedom. And we’ll stand with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating this region."
VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY

What BIG word my my my.

Majority of Iraq Lawmakers Seek Timetable for U.S. Exit

Please give Iraqis their Iraq now. Why do they have to wait for their country? Is this what the whole war was or was it the vengeance of the Kuwait war?

51

Fianna,

12/05/2007 10:12:52

51

robber?

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doris d,

12/05/2007 10:14:02

#39 Evan Owen
"I'm sick and tired of hearing a Scottish accent emanating from what seems to be every senior government minister, despite all the spin they don't give a fig for the ordinary people of England or Wales."
Please be very clear that none of these dumbclucks give a hoot for Scotland or its ordinary people either.
Let's be fair about this: these people are New Labour first and Scottish second. They don't care about Scotland and most Scots don't have time for any of them. I know of no one in Scotland who would give any of these has beens house room!
Gorgon Broon is struggling to force himself to smile and be nice to people so that he may finally become PM. Thereafter just see how truly nasty he can be!!!! He's been described as Stalinesque-bit of an insult to old Josef. Hate to say it but it's time for the Tories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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walter,

12/05/2007 10:19:59

#49
He, and every true Scottish person should be fighting for freedom.

It still goes on if you do not think as I do then you are not a true Scot, is that not the rhetoric used by the Nazi's in 1930's Germany, and they were happy to imprison or murder any one of their country folk who disagreed with them.

Remember words in history declared by true, proud Scots-"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom – for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

And that is exactly where words like that belong in history they may have been relevant at that time but we are now in the 21 century or maybe you would be happy if we acted like our ancestors painted ourselves blue cross the border and start slaughtering the English.

All Scots are true Scots and just because they do not agree with you on what is best for Scotland does not make them any less Scottish than you.
What it does make them is a less pathetic Scot than you.

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Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 12/05/2007 10:20:00

NO 23

Why not give him some time. He has just paid the cab fare to the 10 Downing Street. Why are you all jumping on his shoes that need polishing? He had a tough time crunching the numbers from many years. Now he sees FREEDOM OH BOY FREEDOM > Jet Plane for himself, Lighting visits to Iraq and UN farced accounting, Mr. Bush.. Has he sent him the congratulations No I guess not too solidly built. Come what may I will not leave Iraq. Brown, join me. Tony ran half you run half.
Do not listen to BUSH. Yo, Blaire killed Blaire. Wonder if he will get a job a football coach. No, I am not against any job for UK but I think HE LIED A LOT Plenty

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Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 12/05/2007 10:22:39

NO 53 Yep
VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY

All the contracts for the rebuilding the infrastructures were given to his company. What do you call this Robin Hood????

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Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 12/05/2007 10:25:34

NO 55
Just shut up

35 % wanted freedom this paper said 65% did not want What are you True Scot Where? in the 65%s. or 35s% I did not see you there, not a comment.
Now you want to be a hero . Spiderman 3 is better then you.
Check this with ED.

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Duke,

12/05/2007 10:26:57

#46 Auld Twa

Interesting reading. Your right what hope does any other trust have if London cant pay off PFI contracts.

I read in Private Eye that many of these PFI contracts have changed hands more than once enabling the private equity money men to make billions in profits. Will the UK see any of that money in tax, I very much doubt it. In fact the Revenue and Customs are bending over backwards to help these corporations pay less tax, all part of the Varney Review (ex Chairman of Revenue & Customs who oversaw one of the biggest VAT scams whilst he was Chairman of O2) that was agreed by Broon. This report has already been slated by the Public Accounts Commitee as giving big business a license to print money. A prudent Chancellor, I think not!!!

58

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 12/05/2007 10:27:42

Walter no 55
Scots-"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom – for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."
we are in 2007 not the Nazi era. Every one wants freedom no matter what the cost is. Seen USSR in pieces. Now SMALL RUSSIA.

59

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/05/2007 10:32:49

50 years back, few people that lived between Brora and the Bogbain farm would be considered normal by todays standard. When they got cars, for example, they'd stop in the middle of the only trunk road the A9 if they saw a neighbour approaching from the other direction to exchange greetings and useful information. I don't suppose it was any more hazardous than today's use of mobile phones.

My understanding is that literature, music and science create the dynamic of european civilisation. i.e. we have a historical depth to our geographical location. The revolutionary Beethoven was impressed by Handel and later Bach. Post romantic Sibelius devoted much study to Palestrina. I am also thrilled by the singing of Jean Redpath, Ishbel Macaskil and Flora MacNeil. And to be positive about contemporary Scotland, there's no dearth of talented musicians and even paying gigs for them. An original artist, though, seldom earns much money; how does he/she pay the rent, afford to eat. In this year of highland culture we no longer have Paul's music shop and Hazel's bookshop in sunny Dingwall and their cultured expertise is not something you'll ever find in fortress Tesco.

It might seem easier to create a Republic from scratch. The origins of Athens and Sparta [not as devoid of fun and frolics as is made out] are hidden in the haars of time. Rome was established by the Trojans with their culture of horses and masonry which seem to go together -- well you need comfortable stables for your expensive horses -- so the Trojans spoke Doric? -- of course they did. There are many places called Dundee where archeologists could dig and find evidence of the workings of Dundonians. As with Troy but which is the original?

An empire can never be a republic nor a democracy.

We are of the television age therefore as prone to delusions as computers to viruses. Not only is history more or less bunk, as that thrawn Irishman, Henry Ford, remarked, but what you don't think is bun

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Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 12/05/2007 10:35:08

No59
The Duke
Read me. This is new era. Give a little breathing time then we talk. He has not even sat on the PM chair. Why are you all on him like grasshopper on the crop taking every grain at one swoosh. Let hem warm up. Did you not see him play tennis with the suit? He is good. At least for now. If British from Iran and Iraq and Afghanistan come back, I will personally give him a gold medal. I mean this. Our mining companies of gold and diamonds are in a mess so I can probably get a small piece smuggled from the employees. What is his collar size? Not for noose. For the medal. I need the string. Silver from India that too can be arranged may not be pure but Brown will not know.

61

Fianna,

12/05/2007 10:37:04

51 & 57

Who benefitted?

62

Duke,

12/05/2007 10:41:13

#62

Because his failings as Chancellor make him unfit to Govern this country.

63

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/05/2007 10:46:34

53 - of not 'robber' then Cap'n Bob MacSwell's (the original bouncing Czech) protege.

64

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/05/2007 10:48:47

Brown maintained the unholy relics of the £ , property speculation, and financial speculation. And what else do we read about in the "Scotsman" These do not an economy make. His successor, as Chancellor, will have the plug pulled on him.

65

Fianna,

12/05/2007 10:51:55

65

I guess you've got the point.

Many doubt the wisdom of the Chancellor's action(s) but to call him a "robber" is not only stupid, but libelous.

66

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 12/05/2007 11:07:26

I thought Labour sucked so much that it couldn't suck any more ...

Just goes to show how wrong you can be ... !

67

Phil C,

12/05/2007 11:10:31

He'll always be known as Brown the stealer!

68

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 12/05/2007 11:16:21

No68
You Scots when start sucking the whiskey made in the corn and straw stuck. I no understand I no drink. You suck what. The chilly sauce that the Indians make or Heinz tomato

( mind you the pulp is made from the bogus big fruit we have we call this BOGA. it is just the pulp you add color and then few old rotten sauces it tastes like Catsups, up up and up but don’t tell Heinz. This is theirs from ranch no one)

69

NittonLover,

12/05/2007 11:16:31

Browns PFI legacy -I have just found out that under the sleazy deal the last Labour Administration did with the schools PFI, the local community centre in Dalkeith (which used be be a leisure centre too until the High School PFI put paid to that) is going to close as there is the council can no longer afford the "buildings upkeep". Every new primary school has some rooms set aside for the "community". I sure the council be be charged a nice rate from the building owners.

Dalkeith does not have one council run sports centre. NOT ONE! The PFI High school has some, if you can:

a. afford it
and
b. Actually manage to get a booking.

never find that we pay £40 a month to use the council facilities (can't be used at the High School sports centre) , which are disappearing as the new schools are being built.

God, I hate the Labour party for landing us in this sh**e!

70

NittonLover,

12/05/2007 11:18:11

#70 - Scotch is whisky, other inferior copies are whiskEy.

71

Chris Price,

Sidcup, England 12/05/2007 11:27:18

Brown:
1) Lying
2) Scotch
3) Scumbag

The English will wreak an awful revenge on an administration that gave its puppets in the Celtic heartlands their own autonomy but signally failed to do the same for the English.
Begone! NOW!

72

Peter Lapinskas,

Dorking, England 12/05/2007 11:34:11

Brown said: "Government must be more open and accountable to Parliament"

So that means that he will be implementing the Parliamentary Ombudsman's and the PASC's recommendations for full compensation of the pensioners his government cheated?

No, I thought not.

73

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/05/2007 11:34:30

67 - wisnea me that called him a robber, sir. Mind you, when I reach the age of 65, I'll probably call him all the names unders the sun after his pensions stunt.

74

Fianna,

12/05/2007 11:40:55

73

You're ignorant.

Brown is none of the three things you listed.

75

Fianna,

12/05/2007 11:41:33

75

I know you didnt say it, and didnt suggest you did.

76

Evan Owen,

Limbo 12/05/2007 11:46:05

Does anybody love him?

Was it is grandmother who said she wouldn't put him in charge of the corner shop?

If he has the courage to put right the wrongs he had better be quick, for all our sakes!

77

Faye,

Scotland 12/05/2007 11:47:02

Gordon Brown quote on BBC site:

"I do not believe politics is about celebrity," said Brown, whose serious manner contrasts with the telegenic Blair, often accused of putting style before substance."

"I have never believed that presentation can be a substitute for policy," said the long-standing chancellor."

"This is the 21st century progressive view: the citizen in control. Being served, not told, by government. A servant state," he told supporters in London."


Excellent! SNP there is a challenge! But SNP has hooked up with the Greens.

Will Scots get what they want with SNP?

Scots will need to get used to a minority parliament with SNP?

The Greens and Harper, (the wealthy ex National Trust for Scotland head, ex banker with his unpopular windfarm that will make him a six figured annual sum at the expense of the rest of us) means poor people will suffer fuel poverty.

Will the SNP/Greens listen to Scots?

Interesting times ahead in Scotland.

SNP teaming up with the greens! With the Green's ouple of seats, what will that do?

Let's hope SNP listen to the people, if they don't then Gordon Brown and Labour will trunch SNP.

Scots are fed up because Tony Blair's government failed to listen to the people but..........

if Gordon Brown sets himself up as a man of the people, Alex Salmond and SNP and the Greens with their penchant for earning windfarm cash at the expense of the poor will really drown any hope for SNP. What a sell out by SNP who said they'd listen to people's views on this matter.

SNP should have gone on its own, but the Greens shouldn't dictate what SNP want to do.

PR is a disaster.

78

Fianna,

12/05/2007 11:57:36

81

Resignation of one Scottish Prime Minister, with another Scottish Prime Minister waiting in the wings!

Brilliant!!!

79

walter,

12/05/2007 12:08:32

#77

Undemocratic,
Unpatriotic,
Not true Scots,
Traitors,
Warmongers,
Child killers,
And that just being the nice names.

Is that the kind of rabid slavering you are talking about.

80

tomfrom66,

12/05/2007 12:12:49

I suspect that not many readrs of The Scotsman will have heard of a Leicester firm called British United Shoe Machinery.
BUSM was bought out by private equity Apax Partners after it folded in 2000.
Workers lost not only their jobs but also their pensions. Somewhere along the way, the pension fund became a black hole.
As of December last year the matter had not been sorted. Apax told the Daily Mail:

"'We greatly sympathise with the plight of all BUSM stakeholders, particularly employees and members of the pension fund who were adversely affected.

'Following the liquidation of BUSM, the matter was referred to the Occupational Pensions Regulatory Authority and subsequently to the Pensions Ombudsman. Neither of these organisations found cause to pursue the matter.' "

Well, there's a surprise. But it gets even more intriguing: the boss of Apax Partners is a big pal of Gordo's, and the firms website boasts:

"Our mission is to help management teams create value for the benefit of the company, its employees, and ultimately the millions of individuals whose pension funds and investment plans commit to our funds. We provide this service with the utmost integrity and professionalism."

Much comfort this brings the BUSM workers!

Sir Ronald Cohen is described as a "Social capitalist", and therefore very much "on message" with the upcoming regime in Number 10:

http://www.philanthropyuk.org/guidetogiving/personal1_mai...

On December 17 last year, The Sunday Times reported that :

" files relating to Cohen’s appointments to government committees had been destroyed " following allegations that:

" ... the Treasury had pushed through a knighthood for Cohen against Whitehall advice. The financier, who has given £1.3m to Labour, received the honour in 2000."

81

Geoff,

South Africa 12/05/2007 12:14:13

81 Hen Broon-Hi Hen howrya doin! Actually it was the Normans-sons of Vikings not 'les Frogs'. Same guys that had a go at yousns. As for 'les Frogs' well we humped them at Agincourt,Quebec,in India,Waterloo,Trafalgar etc. with a little help from the Scots!
You should not be so hard on your Uncle Gordon-give the man a chance. He does not have the charm and charisma of a Kennedy or Blair or even a Salmond but maybe we put too much stock in that stuff and hey yes he is ambitious and self serving to a point but what person who has not attained high office does not(of necessity) possess these characteristics.

82

Geoff,

South Africa 12/05/2007 12:16:12

Maybe it should be British United Machinery for Shoes-BUMS!

83

Abel Magwitch,

12/05/2007 12:25:09

So the Titanic will soon have a new captain. With his financial experience he should be aware of icebergs ahead. In case he has missed them he should have a look at the UK balance of payments and ongoing deficit. Interest rates and inflation are already begining to hurt, but the crash has yet to come.

Same trouble with the sister ship on the other side of the Atlantic.

Engines half ahead cap,n, and order the ship's band to play nice cheerful tunes.

84

walter,

12/05/2007 12:25:35

#Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD, Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania

NO 55
Just shut up

As long as I have freedom of speech afforded to me as a Free Scot living in my country then no I will not shut up, I will not be silenced by a bunch of Fascists who believe that any one who does not share their views should say nothing.

85

joejohn,

NY NY 12/05/2007 12:34:50

I wish great success to Gordon Brown ascension to ministerial leadership for all of the Great Britain and his emerging leadership in world statecraft. Celebrity in the electronic era is a tool that correctly not taken literally but in the ethereal dramaturgical dance of the political courtship on the world stage.
As well, I know and pray, that PM Brown will not expect everyone to listen in both directions and in those instances the great test of strength of his faith and courage will prevail with the loving support of his family, party and the crown.
God speed Gordon.
And when the governing seas are turbulent steer your ship with all the wherewithal at your commands for we: as crew, loyal United Kingdom, Europe –Old and New, America are your compatriots in liberty, fair trade and democratic justice in heart and mind.
May your courage yield finances at all levels of civil participation that are for causes in continuing modernity’s necessities as our times require in the great oceans of living in harmony.

86

lorren,

12/05/2007 12:36:26

Post #73
The northern half ofEngland were asked if they wanted an Assembly similar to Wales. The people voted "NO"

Post #39.
The Scots have had to listen to english accents for 300 years telling us what to do. Now you know how it feels.

87

Florence,

Edinburgh 12/05/2007 13:03:03

54 doris d: I'm sure you are sick of the Scots in the government - I would be too if I were English; and the West Lothian question should be resolved as quickly as possible. May I say that the Scot Nats do not, and never have, voted on purely English matters at Westminster. However, don't forget that until last week it was the hard core Scottish Labour who kept them in power south of the border.

88

James Annand,

12/05/2007 13:52:59

82

When did Tony Blair become Scottish? When he invaded Iraq?

I never once saw this accusation during the years when he was popular. Now that he's not he is declared Scottish, as if that is a sin worthy of nothing but contempt.

89

Fianna,

12/05/2007 14:23:13

92

When he was born in Edinburgh.

Just over 50 years ago...

90

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 12/05/2007 14:47:49

Gordon Who ?

91

Ken Rogers,

WIVENHOE. ESSEX. 12/05/2007 14:48:10

Is Gordan Brown going to admit it was a very serious failing of himself and the majority of Labour members of parliament not to investigate the evidence of allegations of WMD and unfortuantely support Tony Blair in going to war in Iraq resulting in thousands of deaths and injuries - further resulting in an increase in terrorism. Britain has lost worldwide respect due to the dreadful consequences of this war.

I have always been against this terrible decision to go to war in Iraq - plus not providing the necessary resources and care for our troops.

Ken Rogers MA. Fellow Institute of International Security.

92

morris,

Dun Eidean Alba 12/05/2007 15:07:01

75
What I want to know is who called him a Chancellor?

93

morris,

Dun Eidean Alba 12/05/2007 15:11:11

89
You did not hear the SOS then I take it. We are abandoning HMS United Kingdom.Its got a big Gordon Broon hole in its economic forecasts and sinking fast.

94

Fez,

Mauritius 12/05/2007 15:27:32

At long last we have seen the back of Tony Blair.
Gordon Brown, at the helm, will have to undo the damage inflicted on the Iraqis as well the British. Blair following Bush in that disastrous adventure through lies should be tried as war a criminal.

95

zigzag,

Tecumseh Ontario 12/05/2007 15:29:19

A GORDON FOR ME
A GORDON FOR ME
IF YOUR NO A GORDON
YOURE NAE GUID TO ME

SIGH!!!

96

Fianna,

12/05/2007 15:35:31

Gordon is a moron?

97

Calummac,

Edinburgh 12/05/2007 15:38:41

big brown hole? the mess of the forth was symbolical of the brown stuff that Mr Brown and his PFI obsession have got us into

98

connaughtboy,

12/05/2007 16:02:45

It's amazing that people still think he was the best ever chancellor. In fact the national debt has increased from £350bn to over £1,000bn during his time in office! Then there's the gold scandal...............

99

rayjan,

England 12/05/2007 16:29:34

Given the freedom of a vote we certainly would not vote for a man who has clearly had a personality by-pass.A man who has taxed us to the hilt for 10 years. A man who financed the Iraq war. Aman who stripped the life blood out of peoples retirement pensions.A man who supported devolution and applied apartheid to the English.Amman who voted to make English university students pay top up fees whilst his own constituents did not.
A man who.....etc etc.
A man who is an obvious racist by his discrimination against the English

100

Alberto60,

LONDON 12/05/2007 16:50:20

WHAT GORDON SAID TODAY DEMONSTRATED VERY CLEARLY THAT THE TORIES HAS NO CHANCE AT ALL TO WIN AGAINST HIM.
THEY COULD SURELY AVE WON NEXT TIME AGAINST BLAIR, BUT NOW WITH GORDON EVERYTHING IS CHANGED.
THE ARRIVAL OF GORDON WILL DO ONLY GOOD FOR THE LABOUR PARTY, AS THE ARRIVAL OF JOHN MAJOR IN 1990 DID TO THE TORY PARTY.

101

Martha,

12/05/2007 16:59:59

Egregiously biased reporting, and an undiguised editorial in place of real news, that doesn't even bother to attempt even-handed coverage. That's my comment on this article. Example: "The prime minister in waiting signalled the end to the Blair era obsession with presentation and vowed to "listen and learn". " Too bad this newspapers reporters and editors didn't "listen and learn" in journalism classes at university.

Disgusting!

102

Derek,

England 12/05/2007 17:03:47

No mention of an English Parliament or the West Lothian Question. Unless he addresses the English Question, with Brown as leader, at the next general election New Labour will get hammered in England. That's a fact!

103

Lauwrie,

Manchester , England . 12/05/2007 17:29:23

Brown said "that he would rule for the whole of Britain".
Typical Blairite garbage which he has taken over .

This place called Britain is just a geographical area . He persists in trying to conflate it with the state of Great Britain which commenced in 1707 which was very carefully and specifically called that just so as to include the three countries within it in the new multi national country set up by the Act of Union .
I think the deliberate use of the word Britain when he means Great Britain has contributed to the dwindling of commitment and loyalty to the British idea . Many people of the the three nations included in the the land area of Britain had and many still have , loyalty to the idea , for that is what it is , of the British , which only really dates from 1707 .
Words are important and this particular use of words is very important .

In England there has been a very marked fading of identity with Britishness and a corresponding rise in identity with Englishness . Brown was a major backer of the Scotland Act which gave Scotland a national parliament . England was carefully targetted , by Brown and others , for denial of same .
Unless we get English self rule and our own parliament and all the institutions of governemnt which Scotland has then any residual respect for
"Britain " is going to become a negative quantity .

104

The Bias Police,

RAK 12/05/2007 17:42:57

Is anyone listening to this twaddle?

Mr Brown has been described by his own party and employees as Stalinist and having deep psychological problems. It speaks volumes that no-one in his own party has the courage to challenge him for the Labour leadership.

105

skeptic griggsy,

augusta,ga 12/05/2007 17:52:01

Chancellor Brown, then, should make an excellent prime minister! He will continue New Labour and modify it for the better. Business and labour both will prosper under him as they have already. I hope that he will rein in my president on Iraq! The social compact calls for both the private and public sectors to work for the common good.Even with the public sector, there is still the need for private foundations to help. May Lord-to-be Blair do more for humanity and may his foundation so help! May the Union survive!

106

punklin,

arran 12/05/2007 18:01:08

110 comments and the overwhelming majority are negative from which I conclude that the whingers dominate these message boards whatever the subject SO.... to be positive I would say that we should give Gordon Brown a chance: he's the best chance this country has (who'd you rather have - lite boy Cameron whose policies wouldn't last five minutes in the real world or geriatric Ming a great No 2 but hopeless as a leader?). I support Broon all the way but only if in the longer term he ditches Trident, Iraq (bring 'em home) and private bleeding of NHS and schools and ID cards -if he is really listening he'll find smart ways of dropping these disastrous policies. Otherwise, whingers, if he doesn't, then please save a space for me in your niggardly ranks!!!

107

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/05/2007 18:13:10

110 - who says Yanks don't have a sense of irony ? !

108

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/05/2007 18:16:24

111 - you'll still support him when you have to work beyond 65 due to hispension pilfering ? Unless you're working in the public sector when you'll be able to retire financially content and thus can raise a toast to 'Oor Gordon' !

109

it has always been allan,

12/05/2007 18:22:06

How many votes of confidence has he got so far in this aarticle.

110

Sambo,

The deep south 12/05/2007 18:25:44

Why should Mr. Brown be rewarded with the PM job?
His management of the economy has driven up taxes, shrunk pensions, increased the interest rate.
Why is it that he should be able to walk into the Prime Ministers job?

111

doris d,

12/05/2007 19:03:20

#89 What a fantastic impersonation of George Bush-or-are you actually George Bush?

112

James Moore,

Oahu, Hawaii 12/05/2007 19:16:31

Why let a Scotsman become PM of the UK govt when Scotland constantly bangs on for Independence! Time to let Scotland go and become a laughing stock with its socialist agenda!

113

bill1,

12/05/2007 19:28:59

I am truly amazed that anyone can possible support the likes of Blair and Brown, a murderer and a pickpocket.

They should both be in gaol.

114

morris,

Dun Eidean Alba 12/05/2007 20:06:53

118
As long as Scotland is part of the United Kingdom then any of her citizens can in theory aspire to such heights.
Some people favour independence ,others wish the Status Quo,and some are somewhere between the two.
The democratic position is we should determine what strength each position has. That is what we intend to do.
A socialist agenda does not automatically result in a laughing stock, but idiots who need to be told this are certainly that!
Lastly the right wing capitalism or economics that you clearly favour was first recorded as a discipline by a Scotsman called Adam Smith when he published THE WEALTH OF NATIONS.

You are a laughing stock and an offensive one at
that.
I will presume that you are an arrogant Englishman since it would be unfair to assume that you are an arrogant USA citizen.If however I have mistaken your nationality please accept my apologies on that,but you are still arrogant of course.

115

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morris,

Dun Eidean Alba 12/05/2007 20:13:44

111

You dont agree with any of Labour policy so you support them Mmm. I think you need to go lie down for a while. Thats the most idiotic argument I have ever heard .

117

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Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh, Scotland, U.K. 12/05/2007 20:50:54

The United Kingdom is now a quasi-federal state in everything but constitutional name! The 20th Century centralised Great Britain is long Gone With The Wind, and there is no going back! A loose federal or confederal constitutional arrangement between the Home Nations is now already in place and is the way forward. It is irrelevant, whether or not Gordon Brown becomes the next Labour Leader and Prime Minister! With the reconvening of the power-sharing Northern Assembly and devolved governments in Scotland Wales, the top Office of State becomes less important? England already has a parliament? It is called Westminster! It has only taken the Nationalists 30 short years to move from the party of protest to potential party of government in Scotland! In another 30 years, arguments about a Scot becoming P.M. of the United Kingdom will in all probability, no longer matter! Lachie Todd

120

Yeahbutnobut,

Aberdeen 12/05/2007 21:30:18

"The only time Mr Brown's mood appeared to darken was when he was asked how he would work with an administration in Holyrood that was not driven by Labour."

If Alex Salmond gets to be First Minister. I don't trust the Lib-Dems one bit. There seems to be something cooking between the Minger and Gordon.

The fun will start when something happens to upset Gordon when he's finally got his hands on the controls. Where will he run and how will he find a place to hide and sulk without Blair in the hot seat to take the flak.

Here's hoping the the English rumble the big jessie.

121

FreeAethist,

Australia 12/05/2007 21:44:11

A "new constitution"?? What arrogance! How can this man call himself a patriotic Scot? Oh..... I forget myself... he is a politician. Get out of the Union while you can- he makes it clear his beloved England is his priority.

122

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2007 21:51:19

Broon won't woo me. I think he's the opposite end of a horse's head. Stick one of those on his bed at the next election, please.

123

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2007 21:53:57

Gordon Broon for prime suspect.

124

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2007 21:59:45

Gordon Broon in Rosyth toon
By the lonely docks by the queh
He left some naval vessels there
And now they're going aweh

And when he turned roond
They closed Rosyth doon
Gordon Broon, Gordon Broon, Gordon Broon

To the tune of Robin Hood. His opposition to Devonport was deafened by his silence.

125

morris,

Dun Eidean Alba 13/05/2007 05:11:35

131
We should not forget Devonport secured these contracts with a lower tender (allegedly)which turned out to be a con. They neither had the facilities nor the expertise to perform these tasks!
It cost us money to put these in place, and the Scottish workforce were sold down the river by Westmonster.
Whether you consider this Anti Scottish or just plain stupid is irrelevant in the sense that WE WUZ ROBBED, ITS STILL TIME!

126

bill1,

13/05/2007 05:58:15

132. morris, Dun Eidean Alba

Don't forget who runs Devonport - Halliburton - Dick Cheney's lot - Bliar's friends.

127

James Moore,

Oahu, Hawaii 13/05/2007 07:21:45

#121

As always when anyone criticises Scotland, they are presumed to be English!

Well for the record i am from Scotland and therefore this makes me Scottish! However with whats happened in the elections in Scotland with over 100k votes lost, not exactly anything to be proud about!

128

Listen Ear,

13/05/2007 08:36:44

His First Job is to arrest Tony Blair on charges of;

1. Leading the country into two illegal war's besed on fake, flawed, exadurated, unsubstanciated, "Spun" intelligence.

2. Genocide of hundreds of thousands of Innocent Iraqi and Afganistani Children, teens, Mums & Dads.

3. War Crimes against the people of Iraq & Afghanistan; Homes Destroyed, Livelyhoods destroyed, over 4 MILLION Refugees living in temporary accomodation.

4. Aiding and abbetting Terrorists; Israelis attacking and slaughtering innocent Babies, Children, Teenagers, Mums & Dads in Lebanon and Palestine.
Yep... Tony agreed to allow the Israelis 30 days to go on a Med Berzerk Killing Rampage to take out Hezbollah... Instead they Killed Innocent Families. Tony Even helped the USA send more Bombs to help the Israelis kill more Lebanese Women & children.

5. Aiding and abbetting Terrorists; Allowing the Israelis to get away with mass murder and ethnic cleansing in Palestine. Tony even withheld funds from the legitimate Palestinian Government... to try and envoke change of Government...

Lord Levy, the Labour party's Middle East Advisor is a Jew and Chief Fund Raiser.
Was Labour Bankrolled into power by Jews? Does this explain why Tony allows the Israelis to get away with Apartheid, ethnic cleansing, slaughtering innocent Palestinians and Lebanese?

129

Mary Ann Fraser, of Lovat, Sawant,

13/05/2007 14:32:09

135: Regarding Listen Ear's statement.

What we the US, and Britain needs to do in order to end the terrorist threat is to stop backing Israel, and don't get involved anymore with the middle east conflict regarding their opposition in each other's right to exist. Let them duke it out themselves without our funding, and without our giving a hoot. Then you will find peace will come. We have been adding fuel to the fire, and the fire is spreading around the world because of our stupid thinking that we have to get involved in their conflicts.

"4. Aiding and abetting Terrorists; Israelis attacking and slaughtering innocent Babies, Children, Teenagers, Mums & Dads in Lebanon and Palestine.
Yep... Tony agreed to allow the Israelis 30 days to go on a Med Berzerk Killing Rampage to take out Hezbollah... Instead they Killed Innocent Families. Tony Even helped the USA send more Bombs to help the Israelis kill more Lebanese Women & children.

5. Aiding and abetting Terrorists; Allowing the Israelis to get away with mass murder and ethnic cleansing in Palestine. Tony even withheld funds from the legitimate Palestinian Government... to try and evoke change of Government...

Lord Levy, the Labour party's Middle East Advisor is a Jew and Chief Fund Raiser.
Was Labour Bankrolled into power by Jews? Does this explain why Tony allows the Israelis to get away with Apartheid, ethnic cleansing, slaughtering innocent Palestinians and Lebanese?"

130

jayceebee,

13/05/2007 18:35:37

Long live Israel! Fie on you morons like #135 and #138.


 

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