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Brown: World needs 1,000 more nuclear power stations



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Published Date: 13 June 2008
A THOUSAND new nuclear power stations are needed across the world to tackle the oil crisis, Gordon Brown warned yesterday.
As the global fuel crisis deepened, the Prime Minister called for a long-term response to the problems which have sent UK petrol prices soaring to almost £1.30 a litre.

He said a new generation of nuclear reactors – to add to the 400 around the globe at present – and a 700 per cent increase in renewable energy would help "lessen our addiction to oil" and provide Britain with secure energy supplies.

Mr Brown, addressing a Downing Street conference on "fuel, food and family finances", even hinted that Scotland may have to accept the need for more nuclear power.

This places him on a collision course with the SNP government in Holyrood, which last year ruled out any new nuclear power stations, saying they were "dangerous and unnecessary".

The Prime Minister called for a "new global approach on oil and energy" and will next week meet King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil producer, to discuss the issue. He will also raise the matter at the G8 summit later this month.

Mr Brown said: "The latest estimate is that to meet climate change and energy requirements in the next 40 years, the world could need as many as 1,000 new nuclear power stations, with all the serious implications that has for security.

"Expansions of nuclear, like the 700 per cent growth of renewables, will lessen our addiction to oil.

"While I know there are nuclear protesters who object to any nuclear power, they need to know that if they get their way, the resulting energy crisis would bring less security, more instability, faster climate change and more poverty."

Asked by The Scotsman how many of the 1,000 power stations should be built in Scotland, Mr Brown said it was a "matter for debate" – despite the SNP's insistence that the matter was not only closed, but was one for Holyrood, not Westminster.

Mr Brown said: "We will make a decision on whether we wish to replace our nuclear power stations. That is a matter for debate within the United Kingdom."

Factors fuelling worldwide demand for oil include economic expansion in China and India, where rising incomes are creating huge demand for cars.

Mr Brown's intervention came as the UK government encouraged companies to apply to build Britain's next generation of nuclear power stations.

"This is a debate that is happening in all parts of the world," he said. "What hasn't happened is that people have got together, if you like, and understood what the future price of oil is likely to be in circumstances where we have more domestic need for energy and more efficient use of oil and therefore changes in the pattern of demand.

"We are convinced of the need to replace our existing nuclear power stations. I'm moving ahead with that policy now."

The estimate of 1,000 nuclear power stations was based, Mr Brown said, on research done by the International Energy Authority, and would see about 30 reactors open every year for the next 30 to 40 years.

Environmentalists reacted with alarm, noting Mr Brown had failed to explain what was to be done with the vast quantities of nuclear waste generated.

Jean McSorley, a nuclear campaigner with Greenpeace, said: "The idea we would be able to build 1,000 reactors around the world does beggar belief. I don't know why Gordon Brown is saying this – maybe because it makes the UK's own programme more reasonable."

She said problems with disposing of future nuclear waste would vary depending on where the power stations were built. "In the mid-1990s, there was a proposal to build 12 nuclear reactors in Indonesia," she said. "It sits on the Pacific 'ring of fire', on major tectonic plates. There is no way you can dispose of nuclear waste in a place like that."

Patrick Harvie, a Green MSP, said: "Even aside from the cost issues, this kind of policy will not solve the problem the world is experiencing with oil."

Friends of the Earth's energy campaigner, Neil Crumpton, was alarmed at the plan. He said: "Building a new generation of nuclear reactors would create more waste that is even more toxic than the current material. We need a long-term strategy for dealing with our existing waste – not plans to add to it."

Mike Weir, the SNP's energy spokesman at Westminster, said: "Gordon Brown well knows the strength of feeling in Scotland against developing new nuclear power stations, and he must also know these matters are for decision by the Scottish Government, not him."

But Labour MP John Robertson, who chairs the cross-party nuclear energy group, said the Prime Minister's call for a UK-wide solution was "factually correct" as energy policy was reserved to Westminster.

Scotland has two nuclear power stations – Hunterston B in Ayrshire and Torness in East Lothian. Mr Robertson said: "Whether we build a power station in Scotland doesn't matter as long as we have enough electricity in the UK as a whole. We have got to keep the lights on."

The Prime Minister's spokesman said afterwards there were no plans to remove Holyrood's ability to rule on planning matters, such as granting permission for nuclear power stations.



Communities 'should volunteer to take radioactive waste in return for cash and jobs'

THE UK government was last night accused of attempting to bribe communities with billions in public money to find a new burial site for nuclear waste.

Areas which offer sites would become involved in a "multi-billion-pound" project which will bring hundreds of new, skilled jobs, ministers said.

However, there are unlikely to be any successful proposals from Scotland as applications would be referred direct to Holyrood – and the SNP administration has already ruled out taking part in the scheme.

There was also a warning that the community around the nuclear site in Sellafield, Cumbria, would not accept a new burial site.

Experts said the waste would remain radioactive for hundreds of thousands of years.

The aim is to bury waste up to 1km below ground level, probably in granite or clay, to minimise radioactive leaks. The waste includes matter currently in storage and dangerous substances generated by Britain's next generation of nuclear power stations, on which the government is consulting.

Hilary Benn, the UK Environment Secretary, said the site would provide skilled employment for hundreds of people over many decades.

Mr Benn said any talks with councils would be "exploratory and carry no commitment to actually hosting a facility".

It was likely to take several decades before such a waste facility was ready. An independent report has already said that a new dump was the best way of dealing with accumulated "higher-activity" waste from Britain's civil and defence programmes.

Mr Benn said: "Any community that ultimately hosts a facility will fulfil an essential service to the nation and would expect government to ensure that the project contributes to its wellbeing.

"To this end, there may be other benefits identified and developed through discussions between the community and the government." But Greenpeace's nuclear campaigner Nathan Argent said: "Nuclear waste is a financial and geological nightmare. There is no plausible solution for our existing legacy waste, let alone from new reactors, which will be at least three times more radioactive.

"This is not about finding a solution for nuclear waste. It's about bribing a community with £1 billion of taxpayers' money to bury waste in their back garden. But there's no guarantee a willing community will come forward or that they'll be able to find a geologically suitable site anywhere in this country."

Liberal Democrat Steve Webb said: "The bill for cleaning up our past nuclear waste is soaring astronomically. These sweeteners to bribe communities will increase these costs further."

Friends of the Earth's energy campaigner Neil Crumpton said: "Britain's growing mountain of nuclear waste is already costing the taxpayer over £70 billion in clean-up costs alone."

SNP MP Mike Weir said: "A nuclear dump will require exceptional security for thousands of years. What sort of blight and legacy is that?"

Why the numbers don't add up to a nuclear-free world

DAVID MADDOX


FOR anti-nuclear campaigners, the figures are stark – there are currently 439 nuclear reactors operating worldwide.

There are another 36 under construction and a further 311 in the planning or the proposal stage, clear evidence that nuclear power is not going away.

There are two main reasons for this – financial and environmental.

Political leaders all over the world are worried about the rocketing price of oil and uncertainties over supply. They are also being pressured by voters to deal with global warming and to look after the environment. The answer to both of these issues, as far as some countries are concerned, is nuclear energy.

China, for instance, only has 11 operable reactors at the moment, but has seven more under construction and another 100 at the planning stage.

The United States currently has the most, at 104, but authorities plan to build only another 32. The UK has 19, but there are no concrete plans for any more, at least at the moment.

Fuel strike set to start today, with one in ten garages hit

LAST-DITCH talks aimed at averting a four-day strike by hundreds of tanker drivers in a row over pay broke down last night.

The drivers, who deliver fuel to Shell stations across the UK, were due to start a walk-out from 6am today after nine hours of talks to resolve the situation yesterday failed.

Hoyer and Suckling Transport, the two firms involved in the dispute, said they had put fresh offers to the Unite union and asked them to suspend the strike and ballot the workers.

One in ten of Britain's 9,500 filling stations will be affected. The government has drawn up contingency plans to deal with the stoppage

Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, had appealed for both sides to focus "all efforts" on making sure the talks were successful, but also refused to rule out calling in the army to keep fuel flowing.

Meanwhile, companies have vowed not to panic-buy fuel despite the threat of a strike, according to a new survey. The poll of over 1,000 firms by the British Chambers of Commerce showed that four out of five were not stockpiling petrol or diesel.

Meanwhile, Scottish fishermen, farmers and hauliers united to call on the government to tackle the rising cost of fuel.

The Scottish Fishermen's Federation joined forces with the National Farmers Union for Scotland and the Road Haulage Association for Scotland to call for measures to alleviate the strain on their industries. The three organisations met in Edinburgh to discuss the problems.

Bertie Armstrong, chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen's Federation, said: "Scottish fishermen, farmers and road hauliers are all committed to the sustainable production, harvesting and local delivery of foodstuffs

"Although each of our industries is different and requires different types of support, we have agreed to adopt a joint approach that we will be developing over the coming days in pressing the Scottish and UK governments for immediate action."


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1

Edward,

13/06/2008 00:08:12
Ah yes Gordon Brown, whose brother Andrew Brown is the Head of Media Relations in the UK for the French-owned utility company EDF Energy , the compnay that lobbies for more Nuclear power stations operated by EDF
No conflict of interest then.....
Or perhaps, Tony Cooper father of the Labour minister Yvette Cooper. Tony Cooper has close links with the nuclear industry. Cooper was described as an "articulate, persuasive and well-informed advocate of nuclear power over the last ten years" by the Nuclear Industry Association , he is Chairman of the British Nuclear Industry Forum. As well as a member of the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority
No conflict of interest there either....

When Brown start to expouse the virtues of Nuclear Power, everyone should be aware of how he is not impartial
2

beckypumps1,

Fife 13/06/2008 00:36:54
Maybe someone should explain about half-life’s to him and the fact that the people that will be affected are yet to be born. Lets build in fault zones etc What a Fxxx wit.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 13/06/2008 00:41:00


Sounds Like Brown, is in a 'Panic' trying to please others,

Maybe he is a 'Reactor' (nuclear that is) :)
4

Alan Reid,

NZ 13/06/2008 00:55:12
It is costing (the tax payer)75 Billion to decommisson the power stations in the UK at this moment, and he want to build more!!!???
5

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 13/06/2008 01:04:05
This goofy talk came out of last weekend's G8 energy minister meeting in Japan.
Where the wide boys secretly agreed to "de-carbonize" the west's power industry. Brown Bagger is simply parroting the deal. Nukes and turbine are our salvation.
Clearly drinking deeply from his Kup of Kyoto Kool-aide.
6

Castaway,

13/06/2008 01:55:13
Nuclear power stations in Scotland - "The decision to build Torness was not based on a need for generating capacity." Building Torness (and Heysham in England) was "to support the UK engineering industry through what was obviously going to be a lean period". Irene Currie, Corporate Communications Manager of Scottish Nuclear
When the British Aluminium Company decided in 1968 to build an aluminium smelter at Invergordon in return for contributing towards the construction cost of the SSEB's's Hunterston 'B' nuclear power station, it would receive a trenche of nuclear electricity up to the year 2000 at a price of 0.263 pence per ...
Therefore Torness was built to support the UK engineering industry and Hunterston 'B' to provide cheap and reliable electricity for the aluminium smelter at Invergordon
7

Richard1,

13/06/2008 02:14:06
6,You may be correct in your assumtion,not a bad skill for British worker's to have considering the amount of world-wide work and contract's available now & even more so in the future.
8

An Beal Bacht,

13/06/2008 02:38:47
This man Broon is an absolute menace so he is!
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An Beal Bacht,

13/06/2008 02:42:07
5Neil Waugh, Old Strathcona 13/06/2008 01:04:05 wrote:

"Clearly drinking deeply from his Kup of Kyoto Kool-aide."

Too bad it wisnae Jonestown Kool-aid.
10

danielrober,

13/06/2008 02:51:17
Late nights and long discussions, still bring us all to the same conclusion. If people around the world are to enjoy standards of living worth been called the 21st century, means more electicity.

This will mean an increase in nuclear. However the way engineering is going at the moment i doubt these will be French design and built stations. A more likley choice will be Russia as it diverges money from oil and gas back into high tech Russian industries.

At least Prime Minister Brown is speaking openly about this, suggesting ways to reduce the nuclear load by investing renewables.
11

bring them on,

13/06/2008 02:56:13
Strikes coming up, scandals galore

Must be time for another war, and to go on his summer holidays.
12

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13/06/2008 03:46:26
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Jakezs,

Valencia 13/06/2008 03:58:02
"Brown: World needs 1,000 more nuclear power stations" - When the potato head speaks it's not clear from which end it's issued. How is it then that he is so ready to nuke Iran for attempting to build some of the same? Since when war criminals became more trustworthy than the rest of the world? One answer may be the pellets will be yet another means of blackmail in the future; just the way the nuke bomb is today.
14

William of Liberton,

EDINBURGH 13/06/2008 05:01:01
# 1 Edward,
"Ah yes Gordon Brown, whose brother Andrew Brown is the Head of Media Relations in the UK for the French-owned utility company EDF Energy , the compnay that lobbies for more Nuclear power stations operated by EDF..."

Thanks for the information, which provides three good reasons for me to switch out from EDF as soon as possible, probably to Scottish Hydro Electric which claims to be the leading producer "of electricity from renewable sources in the UK. We make energy from timeless sources such as wind and rain, which when produced releases little or no carbon in to the atmosphere."
15

Alan Reid,

NZ 13/06/2008 06:00:31
No more please!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/defects-found-in-nuclear-reactor-the-french-want-to-build-in-britain-808461.html
16

donald,

glasgow 13/06/2008 06:02:53
"The decision to build Torness was not based on a need for generating capacity." Building Torness (and Heysham in England) was "to support the UK engineering industry through what was obviously going to be a lean period". Irene Currie, Corporate Communications Manager of Scottish Nuclear"

That would have been the then Min of Tech, Tony Wedgewood, who also closed most of the Scottish pits, paving the way for Thatcherism.
17

Jay Kay,

13/06/2008 06:44:59
So mad man Broon wants the world to build 1000 new nuclear power stations at a cost of trillions to build and trillions to de-commission yet he stays as quiet as a church mouse over clean free wind turbines and the yet to be realised power which can be harnessed from wave power, but oh yes lets polute the planet with all the heavy water we have to store in underground chambers.

Mr Brown I wouldnt give you the controls to the telly let alone allow you to govern a country, you will go down in History as this countries worst ever prime minister, your a bigger monster than Bush or Blair.
18

Jay Kay,

13/06/2008 06:48:42
Ps we as mororists should all Boycot shell and Bp stations all over the country for oh say ten days and start to make an impact on the big boys.

After all if they dont sell it what they going to do then put the price up again.

This blackmail of the motorist by the oil giants and government alike is criminal and oh the poor tanker drivers they survive on £39 grand a year poor souls.

I'll do your job mate for £37k a year, no problem, go on as yosser would say "Giez a job, goan I can do that".
19

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/06/2008 07:03:34
#12 Jamboden says it all: there is no more nuclear fuel being made. More nuclear stations will use up what fuel there is all the quicker. The Brown man is mad.

Remember: wise folk live off income, not capital. Fossil and nuclear are capital; renewables are income. It should be a no brainer.
20

Non!!,

East Britain 13/06/2008 07:19:42
A great political solution, Mr Brown, apart ,of course, from the insoluble problems which it brings in its wake.If the world embarks on this madness, there is of course no way back - ever.

21

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 13/06/2008 07:25:23
Stop the planet, I want to get off!! It's a madhouse..
22

Saoghal Beag,

13/06/2008 07:29:25
i thought the pro-nukes would having been spouting all their diatribe and lies on here.

Nuclear can only provide baseload. It is no-responsive. Means it can only achieve low market prices. France has too much nuclear and is forced to export power, not because it is abundant and cheap but they have to over produce to keep the lights on. THe losses are so great they have dusted down their oil power stations such is the financial loss.

15 Alan and as you point out they can't even build to decent quality for new reactors.

The new finnish reactor is two years behind schedule. Fairly significant in a capital dense project, even when they are given ultra low interest loans (subsidy).

23

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13/06/2008 07:39:56
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Ron Thomson,

calonge 13/06/2008 07:50:09
Nuclear Clean Up At Windscale And Dounray Faces Delay Due To Budget Cuts At Nuclear Decommissioning Authority Says GMB
Nuclear Industry Safety and New Build jeopardised by decommissioning cuts
12 Jan 2007

Due to projected cuts in the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) budget there are likely to be delays in using new nuclear clean up technology to deal with radioactive nuclear materials left untouched for many years after accidents on two nuclear sites. This is not acceptable say GMB the largest union in the nuclear industry.

50 years after the Windscale fire there is still 20 tonnes of fuel left in a pile. The chimney which stands above this fuel is not seismically qualified and a modest earthquake, the likes of which hit the SW of Scotland recently, has the potential to do enormous damage to the chimney. Given that the industry has the technical ability to deal with this issue budget considerations should not be a factor in ensuring that this problem is dealt with in a safe manner.

30 years after the explosion at the Dounray shaft where for many years radio active nuclear waste was dumped without any proper inventory the technology is now available to deal with this problem, but financial pressure may mean that the shaft is not dealt with

GMB are accusing Civil Servants of using double speak in public statements about the NDA budget. The GMB also claim that any cuts to the NDA budgets and the way in which it is being handled is a breach of commitments given in the Energy Bill to openness and transparency in the industry as well as assurances that there would be reliable funding in place for the nuclear clean-up. Malcolm Wicks the Energy Minister previously stated publicly the fact that successive administrations have failed to deal with generations of nuclear waste is a public scandal.

Gary Smith, GMB National Officer for the nuclear industry said,

"As the largest union in the nuclear industry the GMB are clear that the proposed cuts
25

Unimpressed one,

13/06/2008 07:52:21
At last the man's speaking some sense, unlike the green eco-bams who are determined to deconstruct industrial society. If the Nats insist on 80% renewables then we WILL be importing power from England.

On a cheerier note, great chance for Lewis to rake in the cash by sticking two fingers up to Salmond and accepting the payoff to have a nuclear depository.
26

Ron Thomson,

calonge 13/06/2008 07:55:52


Gary Smith, GMB National Officer for the nuclear industry said,

"As the largest union in the nuclear industry the GMB are clear that the proposed cuts in NDA budget will undermine safety whilst throwing the government's energy strategy into jeopardy. GMB believe that cuts will dent public trust and confidence in the

Industry at a crucial time. If nuclear new build does not go ahead this has implications for Government strategy on climate change and for dealing with the "energy gap".

The Union also believes that the cuts to NDA budget will significantly impact upon plans for the clean up, routine maintenance and the training of employees. The fact that high profile problem areas such as the chimney at Windscale and the shaft at Dounray may not be dealt with as quickly as they should because of budget pressures is nothing short of a disgrace.

The Government gave clear commitments to deal with generations of neglect and under investment. The Unions and the communities who live around the nuclear industry and the wider general public were given to understand that for the first time there is a strategy and funding for the clean-up the nuclear waste. Only when these waste issues are resolved will public confidence be such that the new build programme can go ahead with a fully developed long term strategy for waste storage. "

They are talking about a New Reactor at Dounray, why not install a new one in Kent or Landsend or is that to near to London, Scotland has been having shiploads of Radioactive Cargo coming from other Countries to be safely treated there.
Build your New Stations in England.
27

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 13/06/2008 07:57:18
"World needs 1,000 more nuclear power stations"

Indeed it does, it might however be more beneficial for Britain to have one less sub-prime minister!

As I can recollect, he and 'the man of straw' et al were vigorously opposed to nuclear some while ago, and that could be the root cause of why we are so far behind in nuclear now.

Time for him to go!
28

Harbinger,

Outer Here 13/06/2008 08:25:32
If all the CO2 nonsense was abandoned we could have coal stations for a couple of hundred years and it's all sitting under our feet.

Wind farms are not clean, they are not green and most certainly are not environmentally friendly. Apart from which they only work for less than 20% of the time and wouldn't be built without massive subsidies. Of course there has to be a base load station for every windfarm, so maybe this is why Brown says we 1000 nuclear stations.
29

MNS,

SCOTLAND 13/06/2008 08:29:01
Disadvantages of Nuclear Power
(http://www.google.co.uk/)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A476723

When uranium fuel is used up (or becomes 'spent'), it becomes highly radioactive1. So much so that anyone standing unprotected near a spent fuel assembly will contract a lethal dose of radiation in minutes. The only way that has been proposed to dispose of this spent fuel is to bury it and wait for the radiation to fade away, which could take thousands of years2. Of course, no man-made structure is known to have remained intact for such a long period, so practically speaking, the disposal problem remains unsolved.

Nuclear plants require at least five to ten times as many personnel to operate as fossil plants. This is due to the complexity of a nuclear plant, as well as the nature of government regulation3 of nuclear power. Lots and lots of manpower is required to fulfill government regulatory requirements.

Nuclear plants are also much less forgiving than conventional plants. The difference between a nuclear plant and a conventional fossil plant can be illustrated by comparing a high-performance fighter jet to an airliner. A person can take his hands off the control yoke of an airliner and go quite some way before getting in trouble, but if a fighter pilot takes his hands of the control stick, the fighter will quickly crash. Similarly, a moment of sloppiness or inattention when operating a nuclear plant could very possibly cause a very severe accident, such as the reactor explosion at Chernobyl, Ukraine in 1986 or the partial meltdown at Three Mile Island in Middletown, Pennsylvania, USA4.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/06/2008 08:35:35
#30

Add to the disadvatages of nuclear:

1. A terrorist target

2. Lumbering our descendants with the costs of dealing with our nuclear wastes. (WE're talking thousands of years and trillions of pounds)

3. Nuclear also require stand-bys. Two went down in England a few days back.
31

eric,

13/06/2008 08:45:30
i see the gvt are trying trying to bribe local auth,by offering money towards transport for dumping waste,
32

Alan Reid,

NZ 13/06/2008 08:57:45
26 Unimpressed one, = moron, W Smith, = copmplete k n o b!
33

Unimpressed one,

13/06/2008 09:07:16
#33, Managed to learn to count yet, me old kiwi? Next is to learn how to write and spell properly. Ar*se.
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Unimpressed one,

13/06/2008 09:08:23
"Lumbering our descendants with the costs of dealing with our nuclear wastes. (WE're talking thousands of years and trillions of pounds)"

Trillions of pounds to guard a hole in the ground???
35

brownlie,

13/06/2008 09:30:29
36

You obviously know a lot about nuclear waste. Any room in your back garden??
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Louis Catorze,

13/06/2008 09:34:58
So, we can't have Nuclear because of the radiation; we can't have wind turbines because it kills birds and 'doesn't look nice'; we can't have tidal bores because it harms fish; we can't have solar because it takes up too much room, and 'doesn't look nice.

I take it in the future we'll all have bicycle generators with s free green activist to sit there and pedal for us.

Anyone ever seen Mad Max by the way.....?
37

Ffion,

13/06/2008 09:46:38
having seen the poll ratings Broon is now on a suicide mission and determined to take us with him-I suppose all 1k of these will be strategically situated around Scotland all to justify his brother's job. Could be a couple of job ops there for the Alexander sibs as cleaners


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brownlie,

13/06/2008 09:46:44
38 Louis

Yes, tidal bore - good point!!
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11+failed,

the pans 13/06/2008 09:47:19
Difficult for me to realise that Brown has got something right for once.
All the anti-nuclear sandal and no socks brigade on here certainly provide some amusement this morning. Apart from Australia who burn their plentiful coal supplies and Germany where the green brigade was able to subvert reality for a time because of the disproportionate political strength of their minority of MPs the rest of the world is a bit more sensible.
Today 55 reactors provide some 30% of the Japan's electricity and this is expected to increase to at least 40% by 2017.

Russia is moving steadily forward with plans for much expanded role of nuclear energy, at least doubling output by 2020.

South Africa has two nuclear reactors generating 6% of its electricity. Its first commercial nuclear power reactor began operating in 1984. Government commitment to the future of nuclear energy is strong.

Concern about global warming due to carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels, especially coal, coupled with impending electricity shortages in Auckland, has put nuclear energy back on the agenda in New Zealand.

France derives over 75% of its electricity from nuclear energy. This is due to a long-standing policy based on energy security.

South Korea needs to import some 97% of its energy requirements. Its first commercial nuclear power reactor began operating in mid 1977. Nuclear energy is a national strategic priority. Today 20 reactors provide some 40% of the country's electricity.

The USA has over 100 nuclear reactors providing almost 20% of its electricity. These have a high level of performance. Extension of reactor lifetimes from 40 to 60 years is enhancing the economic competitiveness of plants. The industry envisages substantial new nuclear capacity by 2020 and several regulatory initiatives are preparing the way for new orders.
Sweden has 10 nuclear power reactors providing half of its electricity.
Finland has four nuclear reactors providing 27% of it
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11+failed,

the pans 13/06/2008 09:49:17
Contd
Finland has four nuclear reactors providing 27% of its electricity. A fifth reactor was approved by the government in 2002, on economic, energy security and environmental grounds. This is now under construction for 2011 start-up.

Hungary has 4 nuclear reactors generating more than a third of its electricity.Government support for nuclear energy is strong.
India has a flourishing and largely indigenous nuclear power program and expects to have 20,000 MWe nuclear capacity on line by 2020, subject to an opening of international trade. It aims to supply 25% of electricity from nuclear power by 2050.
Pakistan has a small nuclear power program, with 425 MWe capacity, but plans to increase this substantially.
The Netherlands has one nuclear reactor generating almost 4% of its electricity. Its first commercial nuclear power reactor began operating in 1973. A previous decision to phase out nuclear power has been reversed. Public and political support is increasing for expanding nuclear energy.
Slovakia has five nuclear reactors generating half of its electricity and two more under construction.
Romania has two nuclear reactors generating almost 20 percent of its electricity. Its first commercial nuclear power reactor began operating in 1996. Its second started up in May 2007. Plans are well advanced for completing two more units. Government support for nuclear energy is strong.
Spain has 8 nuclear reactors generating a fifth of its electricity.
Switzerland has 5 nuclear reactors generating 40% of its electricity. Its first commercial nuclear power reactor began operating in 1969. A national vote has confirmed nuclear energy as part of Switzerland's electricity mix.
Ukraine is heavily dependent on nuclear energy - it has 15 reactors generating about half of its electricity. Ukraine receives most of its nuclear services and nuclear fuel from Russia. In 2004 Ukraine commissioned two large new reactors. The government plans to maintain nuclear share in e
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11+failed,

the pans 13/06/2008 09:50:33
contd
Finland has four nuclear reactors providing 27% of its electricity. A fifth reactor was approved by the government in 2002, on economic, energy security and environmental grounds. This is now under construction for 2011 start-up.

Hungary has 4 nuclear reactors generating more than a third of its electricity.Government support for nuclear energy is strong.
India has a flourishing and largely indigenous nuclear power program and expects to have 20,000 MWe nuclear capacity on line by 2020, subject to an opening of international trade. It aims to supply 25% of electricity from nuclear power by 2050.
Pakistan has a small nuclear power program, with 425 MWe capacity, but plans to increase this substantially.
The Netherlands has one nuclear reactor generating almost 4% of its electricity. Its first commercial nuclear power reactor began operating in 1973. A previous decision to phase out nuclear power has been reversed. Public and political support is increasing for expanding nuclear energy.
Slovakia has five nuclear reactors generating half of its electricity and two more under construction.
Romania has two nuclear reactors generating almost 20 percent of its electricity. Its first commercial nuclear power reactor began operating in 1996. Its second started up in May 2007. Plans are well advanced for completing two more units. Government support for nuclear energy is strong.
Spain has 8 nuclear reactors generating a fifth of its electricity.
Switzerland has 5 nuclear reactors generating 40% of its electricity. Its first commercial nuclear power reactor began operating in 1969. A national vote has confirmed nuclear energy as part of Switzerland's electricity mix.
Ukraine is heavily dependent on nuclear energy - it has 15 reactors generating about half of its electricity. Ukraine receives most of its nuclear services and nuclear fuel from Russia. In 2004 Ukraine commissioned two large new reactors. The government plans to maintain nuclear share in e
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11+failed,

the pans 13/06/2008 09:54:42
Sorry about duplication above.
contd
Ukraine is heavily dependent on nuclear energy - it has 15 reactors generating about half of its electricity. Ukraine receives most of its nuclear services and nuclear fuel from Russia. In 2004 Ukraine commissioned two large new reactors. The government plans to maintain nuclear share in electricity production to 2030, which may involve substantial new build.

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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 13/06/2008 10:04:58
All together now ! Gordon is a Moron Gordon is a Moron...
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brownlie,

13/06/2008 10:14:01
23 W Smith

Time you were back in your jacket and I hope your carers are more vigilant in future.
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Colin, Glasgow,

13/06/2008 10:26:58
Brown is basically just reiterating what the IEA has already said. It is obvious to anybody who knows about global energy supplies that we (the world) needs to use more nuclear power. It is a heck of a lot safer and cleaner than continuing to over-use fossil fuel and there is no viable large-scale alternative in the forseeable future.

Nearly all the good hydro sites have been used apart from in Africa, and none of the other renewables (including wind) can provide more than a tiny fraction of world supply. It might be different in 50 years, but the situation is not changing anytime soon.

Opposition to nuclear simply promotes fossil fuel use, as history shows. (Which the SNP are fine with, I imagine.)
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Rembo,

Tayport 13/06/2008 10:34:50
All of the problems with nuclear power generation and storage of spent fuel are technical challenges that can and will be overcome. What is more important is where stands UK industry in the marketplace? We designed and built the first commercial nuclear gas-cooled reactor. We then moved to larger gas-cooled and then advanced gas-colled reactor technology. At Dounreay we constructed the first fast breeder reactor, but where stand we now?

It seems inevitable that the new generation of power plants will be designed and largely manufactured in France, the USA or Canada. This is exactly paralleled by the much vaunted UK wind energy installations, which are Danish in origin. UK Limited has missed the 'bus so many times now that we are relegated to the role of subcontractors. Successive governments have failed to push ahead through scientific and engineering barriers, leaving other countries to lead the way, all to our ultimate cost.

Perhaps there is still an opportunity to redress the position to some extent by pursuing obvious alternative energy sources. Examples are wave energy and tidal power schemes, although the latter are4 constrained by the number of suitable sites available.

Stop fighting against nuclear power generation. It's well established in other countries. We are now having to pay them for their developed technologies due to our lack of tenacity and confidence. UK neads to lead, not be led.
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pwd,

Borders 13/06/2008 10:49:01
The need is obvious but in the meanwhile the SNP posture otherwise and Scotland, once well known for expertise and enterprise, is consequently forced to slip further into a new dark age. The sooner we are involved in the development and application of nuclear technology the better. Holyrood Luddites please move aside!
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brownlie,

13/06/2008 11:09:22
I wonder how many pro-nuclear posters on this site would feel safe and be happy to have a nuclear power station next door to their house? I know that I would not.
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Matt there,

Somewhere 13/06/2008 11:12:24
So Gordon Brown can do without the Green vote, then? Bring it on, Brown!
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Embra Don,

13/06/2008 11:21:48
I see the old chestnut about wind generators only being 20% efficient has been trotted out again. (its actually about 40% in Scotland). So does anyone think that Nukes achieve 100%? Have a look at Table 6 on page 8 of this:
http://www.psiru.org/reports/2005-09-E-Nuclear.pdf

Torness and Hunterston must be well down from even these figures now as they have been out of commission a lot recently. On top of the joke that is Dungeness B's load factor it took 20 yrs to build.
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Embra Don,

13/06/2008 11:27:28
Presumably Broon has no problem with Iran developing nuclear plant then - or Pakistan, Algeria, Venezuala, North Korea.....? Or can the thousand only be built where the "leader of the free world" give his permission. But then the nearest he can get to the word is "nucular"
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 13/06/2008 11:30:29
#30:

"such as the reactor explosion at Chernobyl, Ukraine in 1986 or the partial meltdown at Three Mile Island"

Which proves that whoever wrote what you copied and pasted understands nothing.

It is about time we woke up (again) to the potential of nuclear power.
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James Annand,

13/06/2008 11:34:40
I assume that Mr Robertson will be pressing for the power plants to ring London since it "doesn't matter" where the power plants are situated, so long as the UK has power.
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Embra Don,

13/06/2008 11:41:03
Re 52 - to save the bother of looking it up, the average lifetime load factor of the British nuclear stations currently in commission is 61.7%.
In 1990 Torness claimed to be saving £35,000 a day on the cost of running the oil fired station at Inverkip which was then shut down because there was no need for the extra power. Thereafter it only operated during miners' strikes.
The interest on capital construction costs at Torness was at that time running at about £1.2M a day. The economics of the madhouse.
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Colin, Glasgow,

13/06/2008 11:41:37
#52 From the report you cited:
"the performance of comparable reactors in Germany and the USA ... is now 90 per cent or more"

So it is clearly possibly to get high availability from nuclear powerstations. Newer powerstations have better availability factors.

I have nothing against wind power, but suggesting that it is not much more intermittent than nuclear power is absurd.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 13/06/2008 11:42:48
-- GMB are accusing Civil Servants of using double speak in public statements

Harold Wilson was the understated master of this being from the Civil Service and a very competent one too. Tories perfected squacking and preening for their time in Office which is bound to reoccur in a 2 party system. Thatcher was to reduce taxes and public spending but had to 75% tax her golden geese of North Sea drillers so as to drive most of them distant. It's nae a silver spoon but a forked tongue you need to "get on in life".

The Return of the Hulk : Gordon Promises 1000 New Nuclear Plants : Today is Friday

As you couldn't make this up, I am really Jimmy deGRiz and the only person that can save this Planet.
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danielrober,

13/06/2008 11:52:07
# 48 Rembo,Tayport

I agree with most of what you say, except the possible source of nuclear equipment. The UK has built some fantastic nuclear systems for the Royal Navy and our electronic control systems are used throughout the world.

The question of where are we on nuclear is a good one. I would suggest two possible routes.

One, just hand over (or sell) the problem to some else as it involves too much hard work and we wish to spend our resouces elsewhere. This in the short term is cheaper, but also loses many, many commercial opportunities. After all Airbus no longer has a big UK industrial member.

Two, project management the plants using the expensive to develop aircraft carier modle. This would allow many industrial actions and skills to remain in the UK but still involve interantional partners. Sud-contracting offers benefits to all concerned, we get access to advanced components from other nations and they generate excellent profits (without huge liablities).

The choice the UK takes or is driven too will be extremly inteesting for the worlds engineering business. You can bet this invloves the highest levels of politics.
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brownlie,

13/06/2008 12:10:11
No volunteers to have nuclear power stations in your vicinities then?
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 13/06/2008 12:10:19
16 - correct ! it was Tony the working class hero Benn, who paved the way for nuclear expansion, at the expense of the Scottish pits.
A well-hidden fact is that his under-secretary at the time was my former MP, Alex Eadie, MP for Midlothian, sponsored by the NUM. Talk aboot turkeys votin for Christmas
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John S,

13/06/2008 12:18:09
#29:Harbinger, I agree when you said, we could have coal stations for a couple of hundred years and it's all sitting under our feet.
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Embra Don,

13/06/2008 12:18:54
#57 Colin, Glasgow,
I did not actually suggest that wind "is not much more intermittent than nuclear power", merely pointed out their relative load factors. Agreed that newer reactors e.g.Sizewell are more reliable - but that may in part be due to the fact that they have not had time to develop corrosion and vibration faults yet - they just have not started to break down. When a nuclear station is shut down because a fault is suspected, it takes up to 1.2Gw out of grid input almost without notice, whereas the variation in wind output is reasonably forecastable.
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Colin, Glasgow,

13/06/2008 12:18:55
#60 brownlie, of course I would live next to a nuclear powerstation. I would not advocate nuclear power otherwise. I am far more concerned about the impact of air pollution from fossil fuel. I would not, for example, live in a city centre.

It would take a Chernobyl-like disaster to cause the same sort of hazard to health as current everyday levels of inner city air pollution. See the following:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/7/49/abstract
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Colin, Glasgow,

13/06/2008 12:27:15
#63 Embra Don, sorry for inferring the wrong message from what you said.

However the 90%-available German and US reactors mentioned in your report are of comparable age to the UK reactors. They are just of a different design - PWR rather than AGR. The AGR is unique to the UK, and they have proved to be less reliable (though they are more thermally efficient, they are an overly complicated design). New reactors would undoubtably have fewer problems than the AGRs.
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The Honest Lad,

Musselburgh 13/06/2008 12:31:31
god help the Polar Bears with you lot. One says white the other says black. Throw an insult here throw an insult there.

One Enviromental group fights another, you cant build wind mills in the Firth of Forth it will kill a few birds! The birds shall learn they have learnt over time not to sit next to cats!

Build Nuclear power stations dont, one hand wins in terms of no CO2 and climate change the other hand the earths eco system shuts down.

Basically we are all screwed!
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/06/2008 12:38:56
Nuclear waste is NOT cheaply disposed of.

I've trotted this sum out before for the more numerate boarder:


The real price of nuclear electricity.

Initial assumptions: a. portion of unit cost devoted to waste management = 1p. b. annual rate of inflation 5% c. Number of years over which waste is to be supervised 150,000. d. Proven technology e. Compound interest formula.

The sum:

Interest = 0.05(1+0.05) X 150,000
= 0.05(1.05) X 150,000
Log Interest = log 0.05 + 150,000 log 1.0
=3177.093831
Interest = 10 to the power 3177 pence.

(NB Compound interest is necessary to account for inflation).

In plain English for the one unit of nuclear electricity used to write, print, transmit and publish this letter (Torness is my nearest power station) future generations must pay 10 followed by 3177 noughts pence. To put this enormity another way that is possibly a figure greater than all the known particles in the universe (I exclude dark matter); and that is just for one unit amongst billions/trillions/zillions.

To square this circle nuclear providers must show us exactly where and how all the money set aside for dealing with waste is being invested (and invested reliably for 150,000 years) to ensure that future generations are not handed the rapidly accumulating waste bills of this one. No country has such a fund!
So it looks like the entire future planetary wealth will be spent trying to tidy up OUR wastes. Some legacy!
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Embra Don,

13/06/2008 12:42:23
#65 Colin, Glasgow,
Agreed - the British record is not good - partly as a result of a reluctance to use other countries' proven technology. It's incredible to think, though, that there are 5 plants somewhere in the world that are actually worse than Dungeness B1!
Another problem with Brown's suggestion of worldwide nuclear expansion is the vexed issue of recoverable Uranium resources. While there is no shortage of the stuff in absolute terms, the recoverable resources when measured in terms of the energy needed to produce the fuel is no more than a few decades worth even at current levels of consumption. Unless, of course fast neutron reactors are used to use plutonium as a fuel... No-one has yet built and run a breeder safely. The same applies to using thorium instead of uranium.
http://www.fraw.org.uk/mobbsey/papers/oies_article.html is an interesting summary of the problem.
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J G W,

13/06/2008 12:48:55
And the sub heading to this Headline should read: "...like a hole in the head."
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Buckpool Loon,

Cheshire 13/06/2008 13:27:32
Brown seems determined for us all to hear his rants from the political wilderness.

Just how much effect does oil have on the generation of energy in the UK? There are very few oil burning stations and most of those such as the one at Inverkip have never been fired up in anger.

There's also a different dimension to the needs of Scotland to those of England. One that usually works against Scotland, but on this issue is to its advantage and that is the quantinty of energy it needs to produce in order to meet demand. This is the single most important factor in deciding which of the methods of energy production is the most viable. And to try, as is usually done by the Whitehall Mandarins, to locate these stations on sites which can supply the necessary cooling water irrespective of where its needed, should not have them drooling over Scotlands potential.

The use of oil as an energy rescource in this country is one mainly used for transport and to some extent heating; so whatever we use, coal, gas or nuclear to generate power will have little or no effect on our consumption of oil.

Unless Mr Brown in his infinate wisdom knows our car and hualage industries are going to change from the internal combustion engines to mini reactors.
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IainA,

Edinburgh 13/06/2008 13:39:45
"The Prime Minister's spokesman said afterwards there were no plans to remove Holyrood's ability to rule on planning matters, such as granting permission for nuclear power stations."

But I bet there are plans to remove their ability to refuse planning permission for nuclear power stations.
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George.,

13/06/2008 13:40:48
68. How about UK , France, China & India to name a few.
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JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 13/06/2008 13:46:35
Only in Britain could we close down virtually all our coal mines, throwing 150,000 Miners out of work, and leaving the entire country with an energy shortage.

No, we don't need either Thatcher or Scargill back, but it might solve a few problems if we still actually had a Mining industry.
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Colin, Glasgow,

13/06/2008 13:47:50
#68 Embra Don, the outlook for uranium reserves is pretty good. The recent Red Book has identified a 17% increase in uranium reserves in the past 2 years due to increased exploration.
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/ENF_Exploration_drives_uranium_resources_up_17_0206082.html

The current reserve is sufficient for 100 years at current consumption rates.

The Japanese have trialled the extraction of uranium from seawater at a price of around $110 per lb, which is only double the current price of mined uranium, and actually less than the peak uranium price last year ($135). The available supply from seawater is essentially inexhaustible (millions to billions of years).

So there is no shortage of uranium on the horizon, and if we start using commercial fast breeder reactors (which Mitsubishi are planning for 2050) this increases the energy yield by about 60 times.

Thorium is a good long term bet though. It’s three times as abundant as Uranium. The waste from the thorium reaction decays much more quickly than conventional nuclear waste (hundreds of years). Thorium reactors can also be used to burn up old nuclear waste. And it doesn’t produce any weapons materials.
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11+failed,

the pans 13/06/2008 13:50:44
Rules! Rules! your grasp of the Geometric Progression is absolutely stunning.
Fortunately that 1p is to be invested in the Yorkshire Building Society at 7%.After 150,000 years that will be worth 10 with the index 4407 pence giving a 38% surplus.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/06/2008 13:52:53
Coal and nuclear fuels are use-uppable capital. Only eejits live off capital.

Renewables are inexhaustible income. Wise folk live off income.

QED.
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Niadh,

Edinburgh 13/06/2008 14:04:35
We don't need to burden our decendants with our nuclear waste any moer than we already do.

What we do need to do is get a finger out and put more time and effort into the next generation of mass power supplies.
Fusion is the next best bet. CERN in Switzerland has their reactor running at even input/output now.
Hopefully they will be able to get it producing far more that it uses sooner rather than later.
The Pros? It's clean as it uses Hydrogen as its fuel source.
The Cons? If it goes pear shaped it will do so very quickly and (if studies and simulations are correct) vaporise and area the size of London.
That's correct...VAPORISE...As in nothing left. Not even dust in the wind.
For those who don't know about Fusion power.
A Fusion reactor (of the type used in CERN) is basically a toroidal(doughnut shaped) chamber.
The Fuel is Deuterium which is a 2 nucleus form of Hydrogen and commonly available in sea water.
The Deuterium is heated up to temperatures that allow it to turn into Plasma. These temperatures tend to be somewhat hotter than the surface of the sun.
In order to contain this the walls of the toroid are basically a massive super electromagnetic which is designed to keep the plasma in the centre of the toroid and away from contact with anything.
Contact with the walls would be nothing short of catastrophic.

The power is generated per molecule rather than per reaction in Nuclear.
Although power per molecule is lower than power per reaction there are a lot more molecules in the chamber to more than make up for this difference.

The problem just now is that the power required to kepp the electromagnets operating is , for the most part, greater than the power being generated.

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Iain's,

13/06/2008 14:16:08
Except in Iran, I suppose!
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 13/06/2008 14:49:23
"Of course I would live next to a nuclear powerstation," says Colin.

How numbers this minority opinion? Why are there not executive houses beside Dounreay, Hunterston, Torness?
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11+failed,

13/06/2008 15:07:19
79Yok Finney,
"Why are there not executive houses beside Torness?"

Because, alongside, there is a cement works producing cement for windmill bases spraying the surroundings with limestone dust!