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Published Date: 02 March 2009
TWO people are caught carrying an offensive weapon on the streets of Edinburgh every day, new police figures revealed today.
The figures also show that the number of people charged with possessing a knife in public has risen by 35 per cent in just three years.

Police today said the increase in charges was largely down to stricter law enforcement, with more patrols targeting and catching knife carriers.

Officers in the Capital have conducted a string of operations aimed at reducing knife crime, including searches on buses and outside nightclubs using metal detectors.

Among the offensive weapons seized by officers last year were baseball bats, stun guns, syringes, bottles, belts and a sock containing snooker balls.

The latest figures, which were released by Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill in a parliamentary answer, showed that 261 people were caught carrying a blade between April 2007 and March last year, compared with 171 in 2004/5. Another 462 other offensive weapons were recovered from individuals last year, bringing the weapons total to 723.

But the figures do represent a drop on the previous year, when 287 blades and 462 offensive weapons were involved.

Legislation passed by the Scottish Parliament in 2006 doubled the maximum jail sentence for carrying knives to four years. The Scottish Government said it remained committed to tackling the problem through "tough enforcement combined with work to educate and change attitudes".

Lothian Tory MSP Gavin Brown, who asked the parliamentary question, said: "We've a very serious problem with knife crime and it's time to take further action. Our position is that there ought to be a presumption in favour of a custodial sentence when someone is caught with a knife."

Solicitor General for Scotland, Frank Mulholland QC, yesterday said that tougher guidelines for police and prosecutors meant "those caught carrying knives are being taken off the streets more quickly and kept in custody for longer".

Mr Mulholland unveiled figures showing that more than 600 knife carriers in Scotland have been prosecuted on indictment rather than summary complaint, allowing a greater sentencing power for the judge.

Meanwhile, convictions have been recorded in more than three-quarters of concluded cases, with 78 per cent of these convictions resulting in imprisonment.

A police spokeswoman said: "Lothian and Borders Police are committed to tackling violent crime. The rise in the number of people caught in possession of a knife is testament to the proactive approach we are taking to make sure our communities can live without the fear of violent crime, with targeted initiatives as part of a number of ongoing campaigns.

"We believe the force has a key role to play in prevention through enforcement. The Edinburgh violence reduction programme and the Unight scheme are a vital part of this, both acting as deterrents and making carrying a knife socially unacceptable."


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  • Last Updated: 02 March 2009 11:49 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Knife culture
 
1

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 02/03/2009 12:01:41
If you are caught carrying a weapon you should be jailed automatically,not enough jails,build them.
2

Edge Living,

and beyond 02/03/2009 12:11:12
Make the offenders bulid the jails. Instead of giving them a tv and a games console.
3

elayne,

02/03/2009 12:28:14
#2 aye brick by brick,
4

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02/03/2009 13:10:42
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5

Ecto,

02/03/2009 13:12:11
Public birching or humilitation would be more appropriate for these scum they only learn from being beat like the dogs they are
6

The grime reaper,

in yer burds bed 02/03/2009 13:13:53
well even though I don't agree with people caring knifes, I can understand how some people on certain estates, schemes and areas may be forced to Cary one. What if they are getting threatened by other people then they may Cary a weapon for protection against the other person or these days persons.
7

Bling Crosby,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 13:14:47
#6 Cary?

what are you on about?
8

The Ayrshire Bard,

02/03/2009 13:15:24
Scotland should set an example to the rest of the UK by bringing back corporal punishment to young thugs.
It worked for many years on the Isle of Man until they were forced to abandon birching. That was the start of their problems with young people.
It wasn't so much the pain as the loss of dignity that hurt the offenders. Not much street cred in getting your backside smacked publicly.
9

The grime reaper,

in yer burds bed 02/03/2009 13:27:44
#7 it's Scottish for carry
10

Foo,

02/03/2009 14:03:22
I don't think hanging or birching anyone is the solution to this problem. What gives the state the right to end people's life? Or inflict pain and suffering on these people, that's just lowering to their level.

I think jail is the answer here. We must be strict and lock people up for a minimum of 5 years for even a first offense, perhaps along with hard labour in order that the offender can repay his/her debt to society through hard graft.

I feel there's also a strong argument for the return of boot camp, as other EU countries have, to ingrain a sense of duty and discipline into today’s youth.

The birch and killing is not the answer as it teaches wrong-doers that life is about pain and suffering. A multi pronged strategy involving deprivation of liberty, hard graft and education of one's duty to society is the correct approach in my book.
11

Foo,

02/03/2009 14:12:57
#12

Why should my council tax be used to kill people?

Yes they deserve to be punished, but what does that make us if we start the killing? Just as bad.

They need to repay, be re-educated and released after a decent length of punishment and graft.

Why kill them when they could be put to work?

You hark back olden times when things were better. Well it was these wiser, older generations that got rid of hanging. Don't you respect their decision? Society wasn't any safer in those days than they are now.
12

sceptic,

livingston 02/03/2009 14:14:54
My Dad's 73 year old pal has been carrying a knife for 68 years. I am on my way down to report this despicable piece of society's detritus to the police and see him locked up before he goes berserk and stabs some teenage hooligan at the bus stop.
Och, I don't think I shall bother.
13

Brian Ferrari,

02/03/2009 15:18:40
Generally the knife problem is limited to ned on ned crime. Which is fine.

But when this behaviour starts to affect better people the culprits have to be brought to book. Or boot even.
14

The Ayrshire Bard,

02/03/2009 15:25:43
There are two sides to the argument about hanging. I clearly remember the days when a murder anywhere in the country was headline news. Now they rarely get beyond the local paper.
1. Society was much more disciplined in these days so murder was rarely committed. Possibly because of fear of hanging.
2. society has degenerated to such a low level that murder is hardly newsworthy. Possibly because no fear of retribution.
I think I preferred the first one.
15

daywalker,

west edinburgh 02/03/2009 15:36:29
2knifes a day! whitch realy means theres hunderds of them out there.they sy it`s for protection wtf.. it would take seconds too stab or even murder some one;/i think blades should stop been sold.theres onest people that have too cary knifes from fishing too scafolders. bin the blades biger the blade smaller the man..more stop n search for edinburgh n more cctv safer edinburgh god help the next generation.. stiffer prision time.look at america thats hard time uk a duck walk 2 the neds n yo`s peace oot:)
16

Foo,

02/03/2009 16:11:44
#16 - I don't think society had degenerated at all. There's simply more of us coupled with media that is far broader in coverage that other stories crowd them out.
17

calum,

02/03/2009 17:00:31
#12 - I'm sure you'll remember in the 40s and 50s when you were serving King and country that the Glasgow razor gangs were rampant and Lord Carmont jailed them for long terms. But that solution was only temporary, they soon came back with knives etc.. Are you seriously suggesting that anyone carrying a knife is hanged?
18

Simonedi,

edinburgh 02/03/2009 17:11:48
why not take a lesson from the romans... if these degenerates are insisting on carrying lethal weapons why not round them up, put them in in a walled pen and let them have all the blades they want... could even add spectator seating and sell tickets.
But seriously.. if there are more people being caught it may just mean more people are carrying blades.. not the police are being successful.
19

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

02/03/2009 17:51:39
Lothian Tory MSP Gavin Brown, who asked the parliamentary question, said: "We've a very serious problem with knife crime and it's time to take further action. Our position is that there ought to be a presumption in favour of a custodial sentence when someone is caught with a knife."

I've carried a Swiss Army Knife every day in my adult life. I'm told that it's now illegal to carry it (the blade locks because I Cut my hand on the previous one which did not).

I suspect if this knife was going to cause me to stab someone, it'd have done it in the last three decades. My suspicion is that it is never going to happen, but the halfwit Gavin Brown would happily lock up a productive member of society for simply going about his business.

When will these idiots think of dealing with the people who are the problem and leaving the rest of us alone?
20

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

02/03/2009 17:55:27
Now that I think of it, Gavin Brown is one of the people who continually pesters me with junk mail asking for my vote. It's very kind of him to make it clear here that he's an idiot not worthy of my vote.
21

Mad Meg,

02/03/2009 18:58:34
I'm with #10 on this one about HANGING

I would string 'em up 10 per day, because the streets are infested with human vermin and it would still take many years to deal with the backlog.
22

J4cko,

02/03/2009 20:03:13
#21. Why carry a swiss army knife everyday?

I have a swiss army knife, I only carry it when going fishing, climbing or camping. Any other time it's totally pointless as well as illegal.
23

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 02/03/2009 22:39:58
THE.COUNTRY.HAS.GONE.TO.HELL
24

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 03/03/2009 01:28:10
well hand wringers,bleeding heart liberals,pc loonies,whats it like to have created the society we now live in?
through your namby pamby interference,this is what the results are
you dont want harsh punishmeant for these perps,when all they should get is a cell,clean clothes,food and water,and 7 days hard labour,no early release,riot in the prison then your sentence is doubled
no plasma tvs,no games machines
this is why kids dont give a hoot,as a cushy life awaits in HM prisons
and the victims?,well they are blamed for the persons sentence,they get told get over it and no help
yet the wee maggots get everything
time to rid society of pc rubbish,tough sentences,no more soft soap
25

daywalker,

west edinburgh 03/03/2009 03:02:09
yes about time the kid gloves come off.
26

ebilmoglin,

03/03/2009 11:25:40
24.
Why carry a Swiss Army Knife? Why not? It's a tool. I carry mine every single day. It slices apples for the kids if you're out, it does so many things, it is simply a useful everyday tool! Ridiculous to forbid them. Thankfully I live where common sense is still alive and I can carry one without being flogged. In public. *LOL*
27

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

03/03/2009 14:26:29
Carrying a Swiss Army Knife every day:

I cycle. I carry that, a variable spanner, and a small pump. Most often I'll use the screwdriver attachment, but the knife is occasionally handy.

At work I've used the knife pretty regularly to cut through tape and string on packaging. The toothpick is also sometimes useful.

Otherwise it just sits in the small backpack I always have with me.

The world has gone nuts if folks think that desereves any sort of jail sentence. Folks who think that way are a greater menace to our freedoms than are the neds.
28

ebilmoglin,

03/03/2009 18:49:45
29
Thank you. All is not lost..
29

ebilmoglin,

03/03/2009 19:04:36
24
And btw.. Carrying Swiss Army Knives is NOT an offence as long as the knife blade is not longer than 3".

Here
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/CrimeJusticeAndTheLaw/CrimePrevention/DG_078569
30

Confused American,

U.S.A. 03/06/2009 20:25:13
Help me understand. You can own a knife but cannot carry it outside your home? Most all American males would be breaking the carry part! On the other hand, I've owned various guns since I was ten years old. I'm now 76 years of age and have yet to harm a human being with anything. I can't say that much about our ex-Vice President.

 

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