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MacAskill sharpens stance with scheme to license knife shops



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Published Date: 30 July 2008
JUSTICE Secretary Kenny MacAskill today unveiled plans to license shops selling non-domestic knives in the latest bid to tackle Scotland's blade culture.
The proposals could apply to all kinds of sellers from large DIY stores to small market traders.

And the restrictions would apply to "any knife other than those designed for domestic use" – but folding pocket knives and skean dhubs with blades of
less than 3.5 inches would be exempt.

Under the proposals, displays of knives would have to be kept out of view of passers-by. Anyone buying a knife in the restricted category would have to produce photographic ID, such as a passport or driving licence, along with a bank statement or utility bill.

Dealers would be required to keep detailed records of customers' ages and identities and the knives sold. Local authorities would also have the power to impose further conditions, such as requiring knives to be kept in a locked cabinet or even banning displays altogether. They could also insist on shops maintaining CCTV records so customers could be identified.

The proposals also suggest anyone buying a sword should have to prove the intended use – for example a membership card or letter from a society with a recognised reason for using swords.

The proposed crackdown – which is now subject to public consultation – comes as police in Edinburgh continue investigations into three separate stabbings in the city last weekend. In one of the incidents, two men were attacked with machetes.

Mr MacAskill said the Scottish Government was already taking action to tackle the problem of violence and knife crime, from tough enforcement to educating young people. He said: "There is no doubt that weapons such as hunting and combat knives can, in the wrong hands, be part of this problem. They can injure, maim and kill, and we need to make sure they are only sold to people with a legitimate reason for buying them.

"People with a legitimate reason for owning non-domestic knives having nothing to fear from this."

In a previous consultation on the issue, 57 out of 110 responses backed a licensing scheme for selling non-domestic knives and 53 were against. Supporters included police chiefs' and superintendents' associations. Opponents included the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, the Faculty of Advocates and the Scottish Retail Consortium.

It is proposed the licensing scheme should come into effect from September next year, with applications open from March.

The consultation will run until October 22, 2008.





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  • Last Updated: 30 July 2008 10:04 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Knife culture
 
1

subrosa,

30/07/2008 12:07:26
Personally I think this policy should be extended to include domestic knives. Most responsible householders would be happy to show ID in supermarkets, shops etc if it would help reduce the culture of knife carrying.

Let's show these youngsters that adults can be tough. One problem of course is the selling of knives on internet sites because that's where they'll turn to if they can't buy in the High Street. Must be some technical way of checking the age of a credit card purchaser. We must show young people that carrying a knife is not behaviour that will be tolerated at any cost.
2

Holyrood Watcher,

30/07/2008 12:21:41
"displays of knives would have to be kept out of view of passers-by."

Yes, that'll work and people will forget what knives are. Dear god, is everyone in the Government really stupid?
3

Dorian,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 12:27:01
Has this guy actually been into the real world. It is kitchen knives that these little feckers are using to stab people!!!
4

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/07/2008 12:40:23
2.

Yes. They really are.
5

SpellingWizard,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 12:42:46
The consultation is about implementing the knife licensing provisions in the Custodial Sentences and Weapons Act 2007. That Act sets out the definition of the knives that are caught by the law. See section 58. In implementing it, the Government must work within the definition and can't just decide what they think should be caught.

The question of carrying knives in public is a different one. I'm not an expert, but it's possible that the type of knife you're allowed to have in a public place might be more stricly controlled than one you could have in your own home for domestic use.
6

Davy,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 12:53:49
What a load of nonsense when we were kids we all carried knives, which was part and parcel of your essential pocket equipment.
We did not go about stabbing people, our favourite game was knife’y, and you would throw the knife into the ground then move your foot accordingly.
We used to get pocket knives for birthdays & Christmas presents. It is not the kids who have went wrong it is the people in charge of society who have totally lost the plot and are the creators of today’s problems.
7

Davy,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 13:03:05
A wee add on
I still carry a pocket knife I am now middle age approaching old age and have never thought about stabbing someone. Alas I don't play knife’y anymore.
8

The Judge,

30/07/2008 13:08:39
One more reason why this guy should resign, he hasn't got a blinking clue, the neds don't follow rules Kenny and no amount of tinkering with existing laws will change that.

If you started locking up scumbag neds who carry knifes for a couple of years they'd soon get the message. NO free holidays, NO hugs from their social workers, we don't want to "understand" them we want you to lock them up.

Just go Kenny we've lost all confidence in you and you're losing the SNP valuable votes. I didn't think we'd ever have a justice minister as bad as Cathy Jamison but you're proving me wrong.
9

Allan(handofgod137),

30/07/2008 13:16:38
#4, You beat me to it!
Kenny MacArsehole, lose and fail again, what about the people stabbed with screwdrivers?
10

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 13:19:27
Here we go again with yet another load of un-thinking claptrap from MacAskill.

Knife crime is NOT taking place as a result of people buying stanley knives in B&Q so that they can do a spot of DIY at home. In any case, B&Q sells tools that can easily cause a lot more damage to human flesh than mere knives. Try angle grinders, circular saws, routers and chainsaws for a start.

Yet again, this excuse for a moron is planning to target the responsible majority in an attempt to deal with the irresponsible minority. And if it ever gets to the legislative stage, the actions of the irresponsible minority will be unaffected.

MacAskill is a dangerous loose cannon in an otherwise reasonably competent government. Alex Salmond should sack him. Every time he opens his mouth, a load of rubbish comes out.

Listen MacAskill... You are NOT going to solve knife crime by making it more difficult for DIY enthusiasts to buy tools. Get that?
11

Davy,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 13:22:14
Neds are created by society’s injustices. I put the blame on our governments previous & past.
12

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 13:22:43
"but folding pocket knives and skean dhubs with blades of less than 3.5 inches would be exempt."

Of course, there is no way you could ever kill or injure someone with those kinds of knives is there?

For christs sake MacAskill, get a grip. Resign and give us all peace.
13

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/07/2008 14:38:44
11.

Why wouldn't you blame society's injustices?
14

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30/07/2008 14:57:09
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subrosa,

30/07/2008 15:11:15
# 10 & # 12

What's your solution then?
16

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30/07/2008 15:53:23
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30/07/2008 15:57:13
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18

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 16:42:00
#16:

Enforce the existing laws.

It is already illegal to attack someone with a knife. No more legislation is needed. Maybe the police should turn their attention to real criminals rather than concentrating only on lucrative easy pickings like sitting by the side of the road in a transit van, drinking tea whilst scamming motorists who might happen to be driving at a few mph above the limit on a wide, clear, high quality road.

You don't deal with criminals by targetting those who are abiding by the law---which evidently is what MacAskill thinks you do.
19

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 16:46:40
(cont)

And another thought, If MacAskill genuinely thinks that by imposing these ridiculous measures on innocent people, he is going to somehow reduce the number of knives available to would-be criminals, he is even more daft than I first thought.

Criminals don't think.. "I want to stab someone. I'll go to B&Q and buy a stanley knife." They either already have a knife or they know someone who has---or they simply go into their mum's kitchen draw and take one.
20

SPG,

edinburgh 30/07/2008 16:56:31
But what about spoons!!!!
21

Allan(handofgod137),

30/07/2008 17:49:38
#21 We've already told you what we think of macaskill!
22

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

30/07/2008 19:19:52
People have been killed by people using their BARE HANDS.

Does this mean we should all have to register our HANDS?

Beware! The HANDS OF DOOM are everywhere!
23

Nevsky,

Moscow 30/07/2008 21:38:02
I don't see anything wrong with this law what is all the carping about?

Surely restricting the sale of bowie knives and those blades with attached knickledusters is a good thing? Just ban them altogether actually, who the hell needs these knives and machetes and samuri swords?

24

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

30/07/2008 22:27:01
Sometimes you couldn't make it up. The problem isn't people buying knives. The problem isn't even people carrying knives. The problem is people poking knives into other people.

The conclusion isn't hard to reach, it's not the knives that are at fault, they're just ordinary tools. It's the people who stab other people who are at fault. It should be illegal.

Oh wait. It IS illegal. Her's a thought then: why not prosecute the people who stab other people and jail them for a jolly long time. If they're too young to jail, then jail a parent for raising such a budding sociopath.

That's the discouragement that's needed, not persecuting people who want to buy knives and machetes to emulate Ray Mears or whatever.
25

Fanling,

Switzerland 31/07/2008 02:24:51
#15 AndrewS,NDSAP,Edinburgh
"I last used it [school-made knife] on training in Arbroath, gutting smokies on days out from commando training."

You'd have a difficult job gutting a smokie. Smokies in their swimming state are haddock. Haddock are gutted (and cleaned) before they are smoked. Smokies are therefore gutless. Very tasty though.

And MacAskill is still off his trolley.
26

yockel,

31/07/2008 08:19:19
Passport and a utility bill, what? Why both? Come on Kenny tell us the truth you support ID cards!!!!!
27

The Tin Man,

31/07/2008 10:40:14
Am I really understanding Mr McAssKil's latest proposal as meaning that shops selling razor-sharp hunting knives with 4 " blades needing a license, whilst shops selling razor-sharp paring knives with 4" blades do not?

WARNING: FORK - IF PLACED IN EYE, MAY CAUSE BLINDNESS.
28

The Tin Man,

31/07/2008 10:53:05
#28 yockel

Don't worry - knife-wielding fiends all have 'Knife-Wielding Fiend' stamped on their passports and gas bills.
29

Captain Fantastic,

Anywhere but here 10/08/2008 07:42:11
MacAskill is clearly an idiot. Has he not drawn any conclusions from the failure of other bans, such as on pistols. They only affect the law-abiding - not the criminals. I'm generally supportive of the SNP but this moron puts me off voting for them. If this is the best the SNP can come up with, I'll stick with England thanks.

 

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