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Published Date: 13 July 2007
IT IS the clearest sign yet that the last in the Harry Potter series of novels will not end happily. The author JK Rowling is seen in a forthcoming TV documentary looking over the just-finished version of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows on her laptop. She declares: "Yeah, think I've finished."
As an off-camera film-maker offers his congratulations, Rowling, 41, says: "Thank you...yeah, you don't know, it might be rubbish. Some people will loathe it, they will absolutely loathe it. For some people to love it, other people must loathe it. That's just in the nature of the plot."

She adds, "I'm actually really, really happy with it", before bowing her head on the keyboard to exclaim: "Oh my God!"

The remarkable footage is from ITV's documentary A Year in the Life...JK Rowling which it says has been made with "unprecedented" behind-the-scenes access.

Excerpts released at STV's scheduled launch in Glasgow yesterday might add fuel to the conspiracy theory gripping Potter fans across the globe - that the boy wizard Harry dies at the end of the seventh and final novel. The rumour mill has gone into frenzied overdrive in the run-up to the worldwide release of the last Potter novel on 21 July.

Rowling has remained enigmatic about the fate of the character who first appeared ten years ago in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. However, she has also done little to dampen speculation that dark clouds are gathering over her bespectacled hero. In a recent interview, the Edinburgh writer - who was filmed finishing the last book in room 652 of the city's Balmoral Hotel - confessed she "sobbed her heart out" and downed a half bottle of champagne in one after penning the final words.

If tragedy is looming, it may well be the climax of the eternal fight between good and evil. In the documentary, Rowling describes her works as "profoundly moral", adding: "I think it is a lie to pretend that even children of 11 don't have to make moral decisions. I think it's an outrageous black lie."

The last novel in the Potter series is virtually guaranteed to become the fastest selling book in history. The publisher, Bloomsbury, is thought to have delayed final printing until the last moment possible to minimise the chances of it leaking, and the documentary follows the completed manuscript's delivery in a locked suitcase to Rowling's agent at Heathrow Airport.

It also emerges that Castle Duart on Mull is one of the real-life locations that inspired parts of the Potter saga.

Potter fans across the country yesterday had the chance to catch preview screenings of the latest film in the series, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

Glasgow's Cineol cinema showed it no fewer than 22 times

and nearly all showings were either sold out or had only "limited availability".

Many critics have praised the film as the strongest of the series, and on the whole those watching in Glasgow agreed.

Rona Scott, 19, from Airdrie, said: "As we were sitting watching it, I thought 'this has to be the best one yet'. It remained pretty true to the basic plot of the books."

Martin McLeay, from Glasgow, said: "It's a lot darker than the others. There are very few laughs in it and you could see the characters were getting older. But we all enjoyed it."

IS THIS THE OPENING OF THE FINAL NOVEL?

A PRINTED manuscript in the documentary trailer shows what appears to be the opening sentence of the last novel.

When it was written is unclear; a note written in pen on the manuscript refers to a version saved on computer dated 23 October, 2006.

However, JK Rowling reportedly worked on the final draft up until January this year. Some scenes in the book are thought to have been planned by Rowling more than a decade ago.

MAGIC AT THE BOX OFFICE

HARRY Potter and the Order of the Phoenix netted magical box-office takings of just over £36 million on its first night of release.

In the United States alone, eager fans bought £22 million worth of tickets as thousands flocked to special midnight screenings yesterday.

The figures smashed the previous record for a Wednesday night opening in the US, which was held by Spider-Man 2, released in 2004.

The Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix book was published on 21 June, 2003, and that day it sold almost seven million copies in Britain and the US.

The first four Potter films, starting with Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone have generated £1.7 billion in worldwide ticket sales for Warner Bros.

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1

Boy Wonder,

13/07/2007 00:43:55

Booked my daughters' and nephew's tickets for tonight. Of course my partner and I are going too. Wouldn't miss it for anything ... and best of all? NO starring Americans in this box-office spectacular! It's all good old home-grown talent! :)

2

scotsdoc,

NANAIMO BC CANADA 13/07/2007 00:56:38

Sure now and I'll admit that I am not an 'over the top fan' of Harry Potter but I admire the effect that the series of books have had on the 'growing generations' on Planet Earth.

As a boy grows, his interests change and his field of view broadens to encompass both those of the opposite sex and those of the same sex.
And a boy wants to be and strives desperately to be an adult male!

Long live Harry Potter!

3

jennie,

inverness 13/07/2007 07:21:25

HP books got my sons reading, and kept them reading, even when the books got nearly as long as War & Peace....a whole generation of children has now read big fat hardback books with enjoyment thanks to Rowling. What an achievement! Government policies failed, she succeeded. Make her Education Minister now, Gordon.

4

Gunga Din,

13/07/2007 07:39:01

Wished I'd kept that 1st edition !! Seems that a signed copy of the 1st edition is worth around 10K

5

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 13/07/2007 07:57:38

It's all good!

6

Stevie G,

Darlington 13/07/2007 08:10:41

I'd just like to say I read the first two books with my children and we lothed them. Poorly written and for myself a feeling that I read it before.

The only good thing about them is that they got a lot of children to read books but I'm really suprised that any adults would want to read them alone.

In my view the Worst Witch Book by Jill Murphy are a far better read for children (and adults) being well written and funny

7

kennynik,

edinburgh 13/07/2007 08:11:17

saw the preview last night and it was awesome, definetly one of the best, much darker, much more grown up and just a great story of dark and light, good and evil!!

8

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 13/07/2007 08:33:58

Hurrah, the end of the Harry Potter scourge is offer.

No longer will I have to put up with that "What you haven't rid them" said in that obnoxious almost pittying tone.

No I haven't read them, generally because I don't go into the kids section in my local library.

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Skatedad,

at home 13/07/2007 08:41:33

# Nick_Byrne, Glasgow.

There are copies in the adult section for non- believers.Free your cynical adult mind and enjoy good adventure stories.

10

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 13/07/2007 08:49:17

Going on what Stevie G says - I'll pass.

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David Chapman,

Aberdeen 13/07/2007 09:08:29

Harry Potter is a good story told very badly. No self-respecting adult of intelligence should enjoy reading them.

The books also instil in our children the idea that racism is perfectly acceptable. The wizards may be opposed to the genocidal Nazi-esque Voldemort, but otherwise they patronise people without their gifts. When you get right down to it, "muggle" = "n*****".

12

MM,

13/07/2007 09:15:04

"In a recent interview, the Edinburgh writer - who was filmed finishing the last book in room 652 of the city's Balmoral Hotel - confessed she "sobbed her heart out" and downed a half bottle of champagne in one after penning the final words."

No she didn't. She said she did sob (and down the champagne), but it was after finishing an earlier chapter, NOT the final words of the book. Do Hootsmon hacks EVER check their facts?

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ian k,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 09:25:10

Who cares what happens its only a story not a way if life .Never mind the kids you adults should grow up

14

Fred,

13/07/2007 09:26:41

Great for the kids, gets them into books. However i do find adults reading it a bit disturbing, i get the thought 'my god, thats probably the first and last book you'll ever read'

15

Truth Finder,

13/07/2007 09:27:31

It's quite obscene the money this HP thing generates.

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Youssuf Al Beendoonrapub,

13/07/2007 09:32:07

UK talent, UK crews, UK locations, American company, American profits. Amazing that such a worldwide surefire success couldn't have been UK financed.

17

Gernasher,

Glasgow 13/07/2007 09:35:27

AUTHOR JK Rowling has revealed that no one is going to die at the end of the final Harry Potter book because she "made the whole thing up".

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/news-headlines/harry-p...

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Help Ma Boab,

Muggle land 13/07/2007 09:55:54

#12 - get a life mate.

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MM,

13/07/2007 10:08:07

#15 yes, the amounts of money involved are extremely high, but at least JK Rowling is making sure that some of hers is put to good use...

£22 million of her own cash to Comic Relief, and on top of that she wrote two short books and gave those to Comic Relief which between the two have raised over £10 million on top of the money she has donated herself.

At least some good is soming of the money she has made herself.

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MM,

13/07/2007 10:11:18

#19 Perhaps you could supply us all with a list of books that do meet your approval for adult reading?

What's wrong with some escapism for Adults?

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Jethro's flute,

13/07/2007 10:16:14

"12. David Chapman, Aberdeen / 10:08am 13 Jul 2007 Harry Potter is a good story told very badly. No self-respecting adult of intelligence should enjoy reading them."

Sod off. I enjoy them. Great stories.

"15. Truth Finder / 10:27am 13 Jul 2007 It's quite obscene the money this HP thing generates."

What's obscene about it? The books are popular and that's why they generate money. Apparently economics is not your strong point.

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Stevie G,

Darlington 13/07/2007 10:30:38

#22 MM

If you would a childrens book that is also an adult book then try The Wizard of Earthsea and other books in the series by Ursella le Guinn.

A facinating series of books that are well written and operate on many levels. They are far better that those by JK Rowling and have totally orginal concepts

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 10:33:38

Of course theres nothing wrong with reading Harry Potter, but as far as I understand there are probably about a million other books in print , many well worth reading.

I dont grudge her the success , but COME ON, its a book about a little wizard.

I can tell you for sure that he dies in the end , a sad and lonely alcoholic with a crack problem.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 10:37:48

All I mean , is that like any other Medium , be it Art , Music , Books, Theatre if you are genuinely interested its worth taking the time to explore whats available - the possibilities are endless these days - instead of just taking the bleeding obvious the lazy media supplies us with.

Personally I like Jo Rowling , she comes across as very genuine and down to earth in her interviews. I also saw her pished up in The Canny Mans once, but i didnt get a bag off.

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13/07/2007 10:45:38
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Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 10:49:17

MM#13,

I was unfortunate enough to stay in room 652 of the Balmoral Hotel just after Rowling's stint there......she left the place in a terrible mess....crisp packets, empty Tizer bottles and fag ends!!!! Plus the tink vandalised the bed headboard!!!

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 10:49:24

Thanks Sarah.

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Craig S,

Scotland 13/07/2007 11:23:08

#6 Stevie G

Couldn't agree more. Poorly written, predictable and, quite frankly, boring.

But I also give Rowling her due - many kids are reading today that would not have been doing so if it wasn't for her books. Hopefully Potter will lead them on to better things.

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Stevie G,

Darlington 13/07/2007 11:40:52

13. MM

Thats how it was reported in newspapers and on the BBC. So its differcult to check facts if the source is wrong

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AlanT,

Dublin 13/07/2007 11:42:36

#19 Fred.

It might be a good idea not to prejudge people you see reading HP books.

I am an avid reader, I get through 2-3 novels a week on my daily commute. I read books on diverse subjects - Fiction / Non Fiction, Fantasy, Crime, Science, History et al. And yes, I read and enjoy the Harry Potter series.

Yes they may not be full of original concepts, not as funny as Terry Pratchett, not as well writen as Tolkien. Regardless, they are an enjoyable read. End of.

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Billy,

Germany 13/07/2007 11:44:29

Rowland is to be congratulated on getting children all over the world reading. That said, I wish adults would stay out of this children's world. It's a child's book , written for children. Over here, people like to look "cool" by reading potter books, in english
on the train, I can't tell you how weird I find that.

What next, Janet and John?As for the films, no I have also not seen them as they are also for children. What's happening to people these days?
Many seem to have a problem stepping into adulthood.

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Billy,

Germany 13/07/2007 11:49:16

#32. 2 to 3 novels a week on the train ? Sorry mate
as someone who commutes for 4hrs a day on the train, reading the whole journey, I could not hope to get through 2-3 novels. Are you sure you don't mean newspapers.

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RobinT,

USA 13/07/2007 11:50:46

Please, just because YOU didn't have the good fortune/talent to dream up such a complete world that is so appealing to children and adults alike, don't slam Jo Rawlings for her success. I've read them all aloud to my 11 year old and we've laughed and cried together. Sure, there are some general weaknesses and some editing would be appropriate in a few places, but overall the stories are very enjoyable and the wizard world is so complete and well-thought out - honestly, who cares?

My child would read regardless of the existence of HP, that he has found a series that asks some hard questions as well as entertains is terrific. Several really constructive conversations have come out of the books' overall theme - choosing our destiny.

34

Masque,

13/07/2007 12:00:14

#13. My dear sir ... if you think the correct spelling of a word you use is "differcult", I suggest your reading age has not quite reached the level required for reading Harry Potter.

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Stevie G,

Darlington 13/07/2007 12:00:40

32 Alan T

End of what??

The world
JK Rowling
Harry Potter
Sensible debate

36

Masque,

13/07/2007 12:01:31

Sorry #13. I meant #31!

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 12:05:27

Aha I see some of the 'literary snobs' are at work on here today.

People read books to be entertained .... Harry Potter entertains.. and yes I have read all of them and I am looking forward to reading the last one.

For the record, I have read a huge number of other books.... fiction and non-fiction ..... but I do not limit myself to a single genre and I do not sneer at other people who read books that I do not enjoy.

Each to their own and it would be a poor world indeed if we all liked the same thing.

Corbett @ 28

Bet she also took all the toiletries out of the bathroom as well..... eh?!!! :D

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Stevie G,

Darlington 13/07/2007 12:09:02

36 Masque

Wow that was really funny and witty my sides just split at your cutting wit. I bet you’ll be a scream down the pub (when you’re old enough to get in)

39

Jethro's flute,

13/07/2007 12:22:33

#40 since you don't like HP, why don't you just sod off and leave those of us who do in peace?

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GrahamL,

13/07/2007 12:23:37

It's funny, you see loads of people reading Harry Potter and no one raises an eyebrow. When I start reading "The Hungry Caterpillar" on the train, everyone thinks I'm some sort of weirdo...

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 12:26:58

JOanna point taken , really but ....

"Each to their own and it would be a poor world indeed if we all liked the same thing".

Like Harry Potter. I'm sick to death of hearing about Harry Potter.

42

Alexander Harvey,

Aww, ma heid! 13/07/2007 12:39:31

#24 There's no doubt that there are better books. Let's remember that HP are books for kiddies and that there are better books for kiddies too. But if kids are reading them, then they may look for those better books from here on in. If adults are reading them - even if it's the only books they'll ever read, #19 Fred - then where's the harm?

I wish that there'd be more than just A Clockwork Orange from Burgess' output on the shelves, never mind the publicity that goes with an HP release, but that's not going to happen. So let me read books and embrace them or discard them as I see fit, not the way publicity or criticism demands.

If you've killed Haryy Jo, I'm all yours...

43

Stevie G,

Darlington 13/07/2007 12:41:10

41. Jethro's flute

I hope to God you are not the typical HP fan!

now either enter into some constructive debate or help save the planet and reduce your CO2 emissions by turning your computer off

44

Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 12:42:10

Joanna,

She did too, plus all the towels and the trouser press.....what f***in' liberty!!!!

45

WHW,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 12:42:12

#8 Nick_Byrne, maybe if you had read them your spelling and grammar would be a little better.

46

Truth Finder,

13/07/2007 12:51:58

#21. I dont so much object to Ms Rowling raking it in, its these kids like Emma Watson who at 17 has earned £10m from essentially a Summer job. That is obscene.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 13:00:10

Corbett

What a world we live in .....if you can't trust a multi milionaire, best-selling author who has created a global phenomenon who can you trust?

Mario

I agree the publicity is way over the top but ... it is all one long money making, advertising hype for every little thing these days! Rowling pokes fun at journalists in one of the books with her invention of the horrendous hack 'don't let the facts get in the way of a good story' Rita Skeeter!

I suspect Ms Rowling herself is sometimes concerned about being taken over by the HP media monster that has gobbled up her original creation.

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Skatedad,

at home 13/07/2007 13:07:03

Truth Finder.

Envy is a terrible thing!!

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Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 13:07:56

Joanna,

Too true, who would've ever believed an exceedingling glamorous and talented multi-millionairess would have stooped to such common pilfering and vandalism!!

The Balmoral toiletries were of a very high standard of course, so she could be forgiven for that, but what were the Tizer bottles for?

50

Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 13:10:39

Corbett

Could she have been making Molotov Cocktails to chuck at the journalists ...... and critics?

Are you sure they weren't Irn Bru bottles .....it was the Balmoral after all.

51

AlanT,

13/07/2007 13:16:57

# 34 Billy

Yes I do mean Novels. This week it was Terry Prathcett's "Thud", Kathy Reichs "Break No Bones" and now I am well through Neil Caiman's "Neverwhere"

52

Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 13:18:07

Joanna,

Although Scotland claims JK as it's own, I think she hails from south of the border, so Tizer would be the order of the day!! I'm sure the Balmoral wouldn't stock something as common as Irn Bru!!

I did find her original manuscript in the room for the latest book! I'm sure the gay population will be 'chuffed tae bits' when they find out how Harry turns oot!!

53

Los Angeles,

Los Angeles 13/07/2007 13:18:24

Can't stand the 'orrible little oik or his snotty nosed public school antics.

The entire Time Warner backed concoction is derivative of dozens of better works. However, it's a phenomenon, one many a talented author would like for themselves.

JK.Rowlinginnit should feel pleased with herself considering the poverty of her background. Yet sadly as the millions pour in so the walls around her house get taller, bodyguards greater in number.

Can't be long before she announces a move abroad ... Switzerland, perhaps?

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 13:22:54

"You're a WOMAN harry" !

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mmt,

13/07/2007 13:24:00

I really dont understand all this negativity about adults reading Harry Potter. I read about 3 boos a week fiction and non fiction and I will definately be reading HP because I enjoy them, I find the writing funny and the story inventive.

Yes there are ideas that have been used before but that happens across the board in books, art etc,

Two of my favourite books as a child were the chrosnicles of narnia and The What Katy did series. I still have these books, I treasure them and I usually revisit them once a year, I read the velveteen rabbit to my son at bedtime and enjoy the story as much as he does, these are all childrens books, was I supposed to stop liking them once I became an adult.

What is the cut off point, once you turn 16 you must only enjoy adult literature and preferably non fiction. Also I started to read Lord of the Rings aged 11, is this an adult book or childrens??? if adult should I not have read it until I turned 16??? should I stop my son from reading it until he becomes an adult? if it's a childrens book should I stop reading it now.

Why dont we start a book ratings system, this book is only suitable for those aged 12 and under???

It's all a little ridiculous.

I feel that everybody is entitled to like or dislike the book if they plea but other people shouldn't get told they are not allowed to lie it because it is for children

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, California 13/07/2007 13:38:58

1. Boy Wonder / 1:43am 13 Jul 2007

You wrote:
" NO starring Americans in this box-office spectacular! It's all good old home-grown talent! :)"

What difference would it make if American actors were in this film???

Where the actor comes from is irrelevant. It’s the quality and ability of the actor that matters.


I think you are "a not-so Boy Wonder".

Respectfully

Galactic Cannibal

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 13:49:13

Ashley sounds about 16, Blonde and ... no stop it. Just stop it.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 13:54:57

Thanks for the enlightenment Ashley @ 59 ... and there was me thinking that Harry Potter was a real person.... you've ruined my life now.

Next thing you'll be saying is that there is no door into Narnia through the wardrobe!

Btw: Is school out in Scotland now and does your Mum know you're playing with the computer?

Corbett...honey!

Maybe she was having a quick nip of the well known drink favoured by authors writing block-busters.... Scotch & Tizer on the Rocks.

She probably took the Scotch home to her mansion..... she wouldn't leave that lying around ... her reputation would be in shreds if the press got wind of it.

Latest Harry Potter book fuelled by booze! What sort of a role-model is that for our yoof!! ?

59

Mrs CEO,

Ingerland 13/07/2007 13:58:24

Stevie G, Darlington / 9:10am 13 Jul 2007 "I'd just like to say I read the first two books with my children and we lothed them."

Not a fan myself, SG, but I wouldn't take advice from anyone who "lothed" anything, whatever that means!

Yes, it generates a huge amount of cash but substantially less than the booze, fags and football industries so beloved of the people who enjoy keeping the Scottish working classes in their place: p*****, brain-dead and beating seven shades of s*** out of each other in the interests of sectarian brainlessness.

FWIW, she seems a pretty grounded person to me. Maybe no-one needs billions of punds but I'd trust her to do something meaningful with it.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:00:09

Thats a wonderful piece of Patronising Stereotypical prose Mrs CEO.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:00:51

Are you me in disguise ?

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:06:29

speech Ashley.

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Mrs CEO,

Ingerland 13/07/2007 14:09:37

lol, Mario A.
All based on my experience!
The only people I intended to patronise are the upper-class twits who fear the terrible intellectual power of those of us who come from council-house estates. Using all the influences at their disposal (money, media and politics) they are determined to keep the Scottish working class in its place.
Oh - and their allies: those that crawl out of the woodwork to criticise anything that is both culturally interesting and popular.

No apologies for thinking that all such folk are the scum of the earth.

64

Joanna,

13/07/2007 14:17:25

Ashley @ 68

You may have a better job than me ... I don't know what you do and you will never know what I do because I will never tell you. However, I do hope that you have a dictionary or a spell checker where you work.

William Wallace sed (sic) Freedom! Are you sure .... I think it was probably Mel Gibson ...... my diagonsis too much TV and not enough books!!

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Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 14:18:23

Mrs CEO,

Completely agree, but don't you think Andrew Lloyd Webber is a weirdo?

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:23:28

It's true , Joanna is a "Scaffy"..

:) And i am a "Jiner" .

If I was Jo Rowling I'd probably move to Switzerland too.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:24:32

Ashley ; i think you are wonderful. What are you up to tonight ?

68

Alexander Harvey,

Right... 13/07/2007 14:31:18

This isn't a chat room dear.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:32:38

lol ffs.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 14:32:44

Ashley

You are a bit thick and you know that you are... but you carry on with the fantasy that you have a good job if you want to.

I don't need to work as I am a millionaire Neddess!!

PS .... Auld Wullie Wallace is dead!!

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Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 14:33:40

Ashley,

I happen to know, Joanna runs the Isle of Man!! Is your joab better than that Hen?

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 14:35:44

Ashley

Do you scrape chewing gum off the pavement for a living?

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:36:54

Mrs CEO, the scottish working class seem only too happy to keep themselves in place. The Bible and 1984 both say it. They have their own narrow prejudices and addictions to rubbish like football fags and booze and that seems to be enough for them.

You (and I) are the lucky ones, we saw through it and escaped. Don't waste your time expecting a revolution any time soon. Just be thankful you can see whats really good in life and accept the fact youll get called a snob every now and then for not loving Hearts/Hibs/Booze/Crap Indie Music/Harry Potter and the unbearable lightness of being.

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13/07/2007 14:37:05
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 14:37:35

Ashley .....

I don't want to chat to you ..... you carry on with your important job!!

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:38:36

Is it Friday Afternoon or something ?

What time are you off to get reeking/boak in the street/pick up a standard life clerk Ashley

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:41:10

good for you. Dont even think about it.

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Mrs CEO,

Ingerland 13/07/2007 14:42:55

Corbett, #73

Yep. I do suspect he is.
But then he is feted by The Establishment.

Much as I dislike politicians as a sub-species, I am rather enjoying Gordon Brown's defence of the socialist base of society as represented by, for example, his attack on the Supercasino. I think he is instinctively pro-education for the workers and, as a result, will be attacked by The Dark Powers of Capitalism in the media - who want to keep us all in our allotted places!

Ashley - FREEDOM! To do what, exactly?

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:55:52

Dr Who, Jo Rowling didnt live in leith and she certainly didnt live in an unheated flat as some of the crap reports have suggested. She lived at FountainBridge, just round the corner from the bingo.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 14:57:14

Ashley , youre a secretary arent you ? I dont know about Joanna, but I'm on 100,000 euros a year.

Grow up you silly wee lassie.

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A Wallace Fan from Canada,

Hamilton, Ontario 13/07/2007 15:01:09

Note to self ... never stay at the Balmoral Hotel - they don't clean the rooms or replace amenities in between guests' departures and arrivals.

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Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 15:02:05

Ashley,

You've got a better job then President of the Isle of Man? My, my, you must be one high flier then! So what are ya? First Minister, the Pope or the Queen?

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 15:02:13

Wallace and Gromit :-

Freedom ! Bark Freedom ! Bark

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 15:02:32

Ashley

You're breaking my heart.......

How do you know I don't live in Scotland .... this is cyber space honey.... I might live next door to you ... maybe I'm on the next desk in the call centre ... sitting right by your side watching you write ill-spelt drivel on a thread and laughing away to myself!!

Anyway I must away and let the sheep in ....... coincidentally all 200 of them are named Ashley!!

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Auntie Jayne,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 15:03:03

These are by far the most entertaining Scotsman comments I have read in a while. Bless you all for brightening up a dull Friday afternoon.

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Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 15:05:13

#96,

That's a good decision there sunshine, I was shocked at the state of affairs in the Balmoral....had to hoover the room masel and flush the lavvy!!! Shockin'

Of course Ashley probably stays in the posh rooms at the Scotsman Hotel, with her being rich innat!!

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Mrs CEO,

Ingerland 13/07/2007 15:05:55

Thanks for the reply, Ashley. Not a bad aim. I'm guessing that you are pretty intelligent. Here's the thing: your generation's view of being "who you want to be" has been influenced by a load of media-led propoganda designed to keep you in your place and brainwash you into thinking that it isn't cool to intelligent and educated. Meanwhile the people running those media and fronting up the TV programmes and making the money from all of you actually have a very good education including good degrees from good universities and they are laughing at you.
There is a considerable arrogance in choosing not to make an effort to correctly spell, punctuate and use appropriate grammar: it forces your readers to work very hard to understand what you are saying. It is a very big-headed thing to do.
I think you probably have some good ideas and thinking but you will limit yourself to being an employee in a very big company rather than taking hold of the FREEDOM to be what you could be rather than be what you have been told you can be.
If you haven't got an education, please get one. If you have got one already, stop pretending you haven't and aim for the very top of the company. Good luck!

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Petroleum Head,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 15:06:34

Harry Potter's not really my thing but good luck to JK!

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Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 15:11:47

"Head of the Company"

Sounds like the usual attributes of a PA!!!!

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 15:11:52

24K is pretty good for your age Ashley, you must be very pretty.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 15:12:59

Sorry for 109. Thats a bit too honest.

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Saoghal Beag,

13/07/2007 15:14:51

Ach that thread and Ashley turns out to be a wee secretary out of pilton. i thought she was doing something really interesting and worthwhile, what a let down.

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Mrs CEO,

Ingerland 13/07/2007 15:15:16

Mario #109
Naughty naughty!

Ashley, you go girl! Go and ask your boss to sponsor you for an OU degree in management.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 15:16:36

One more thing , can you tell us which bank it is, it might be one we keep our money in , and the Evening News would be very chuffed to hear about an "Executive Personal Assistant" to (HBOS / HSBC /RBOS/Citibank) who spends all her time writing text messages to the scotsman.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 15:18:09

Sorry Ashley, good luck in the job and you go - do your best in there and you could go far.

We all spend too much time mucking around in here ..

Have a great weekend ;)

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educational snob,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 15:18:59

Jo Rowling's success is owed to the fact that she seemed to key into something which had been largely missing from children's fiction for many years - the element of supernatural myth. It was just about the time that Peter Jackson conceived his dramatisation of "The Lord of the Rings" that Jo Rowling also presented an alternate reality. Parents of the early 21st century have generally ignored the fact that their children want to escape from the materialistic, selfish world that they have created, and to find not just moral, but spiritual values as well. Tolkien, Lewis, and now Rowling, seem to have understood this very well.

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A Wallace Fan from Canada,

Hamilton, Ontario 13/07/2007 15:21:16

#100 - I agree - everyone around here is wondering what I'm laughing at.

#103 - Balmoral is definitely off my list of hotels to stay at when travelling. Hoovering, lavvy cleaning?? UGH to the power of 10.

#104 - Well said and I agree 100%.

Second note to self - make sure I don't have any money deposited in the bank Ashley works at. If she is the "executive Personal assistant" to the CEO, standards there are obviously not very high.

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Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 15:21:47

Mario,

The trick, is getting the Hootsman comments board down on the job description!!! It canny be ignored, since it takes up so much time, but you need to call it something like "ad hoc"!!

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 15:24:44

I put my time down as "support" . Still , its a release for me a guess, heaven knows who I am supporting....

Mrs Ceo , I like you're thinking. I'm off for ma tea ,and a good swear at the telly. God I hate the media (and people that write to newspapers).

Chin Up. Good weekend all.

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educational snob,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 15:25:41

Can I just complain to "The Scotsman" that almost everyone who has contributed No. 47 to 116 in this string has been abusing the correspondence. If they want to witter on about stupid inconsequentialities, then why don't they just use some mindless chat-room for morons, instead of using up the valuable space for intelligent discussion RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC provided by "The Scotsman"?

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 15:26:49

The award for the best thing i read on here all day goes to Ashley ...

"harry isnt real and the films are just ARGHHH"

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Mrs CEO,

Ingerland 13/07/2007 15:27:22

# 117. educational snob

Couldn't agree more.
I personally don't enjoy the books or the film but she has tapped into something mythically powerful and her genius should be saluted.
Yes, there may be other better writers but she does what all good brands do: make an emotional connection. Good on her!
Anyway, I'm off to help my fellow Scots run the British economy!
:-)
Good weekend, all.

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Màrio àntoinèttè,

13/07/2007 15:27:23

122. Be quiet, the big boys are talking.

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Lanna,

13/07/2007 15:29:44

Well done, ya'll, thanks for the laughs!!
...would make a great book; well, like one of those for the lav!!(on topic?) :/ :)
.....Weeshooie should have some fun with this when he's on later!!!

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Saoghal Beag,

13/07/2007 15:30:40

#115 which edinburgh or pilton?

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Lanna,

13/07/2007 15:31:44

Ps, #104 Mrs CEO
nicely said!

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Pickleskin 25,

13/07/2007 15:31:49

Great end to my day folks, thanks...(still chuckling!!!)

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educational snob,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 15:41:34

I think I had"Mario antoinette" in mind mostly when I wrote my comment at No. 122.

What a vapid and vacuous mentality, generating such a loud and littering litany in sensible cyberspace!

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Brian M,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 15:43:06

Have read the first two HPs, a couple of slender tales padded out with unnecessary and irreleveant descriptions/adverbs/adjectives/actions reminiscent of the days when authors were paid by the word.

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Corbett T Hunckers,

Fife 13/07/2007 15:44:01

Educational snob#130,

For a geezer who doesn't like the chat, you sure do a lot of chattin', young-feller-me-lad!!

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 15:45:39

Ashley @ 113

Thanks for the apology but never forget that you are as entitled to your opinion, on Harry Potter or anything else, as I am ... ... good luck with your career and you go girl!!

Look forward to having a chat with you again sometime :))

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Lanna,

13/07/2007 15:49:30

#134 Joanna,
have to agree with you there! See, we can be sensible at times!! :)

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Los Angeles,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 15:49:40

Somewhere on this thread is hidden a debate on the merits and demerits of Rowling's stilted prose, if only I can find it.

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Brian M,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 15:51:14

Is JKR not one of the power-hungry extra-terrestrial reptiles which David Icke warned us about?

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Lanna,

SCalif 13/07/2007 15:58:30

#138 Methalions,
lighten up, dude! :)

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GrahamL,

13/07/2007 16:05:49

Well done everyone, one of the finest things I've read on this website.
Especially Ashley, who works for "LEGAL" and "a bank" yet still found time in her busy day to keep us drones entertained.

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Stevie G,

13/07/2007 16:13:10

63 MRS CEO

Lothed is a derivative of loathed and one of its meanings is to "regard with discust" (oxford English Dictionary)

Its up to you whether you take any heed of my opinion, however its mine for what its worth.

You seem to deviate onto the money its raised which was never an issue of mine. In fact I admire the fact that it got kids to read books (even if they are not very good)

Perhaps you need to save your conspiracy theories about keeping the Scottish working class in their place for another more appropriate post.

Maybe she doen't need 'billions of punds' (whatever those are) and I'm glad thats she is meaningful to you. However anyone who moans on their blog about the shortage of writing paper where she lives and does nothing about doesn't really seem grounded . This issue never stopped Spike Milligan he just had some sent round in a taxi

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mollyfurie,

California 13/07/2007 16:13:37

Back in the 80s, some doomsayers were predicting that ours (the boomers, that was) would be the last literate generation. Rowlings and the computer put an end to that particular doom, and now even kids are writing big thick kids' books. And they read them, too.
What could possibly be wrong with that?

A few comments, though, have my attention.

One is the literary criticism. HP is not likely to make the greatest books ever written list, but they can be fun. It is possible to read great books and the occasional adventurous fluff. Children's literature can be very intelligent - I still love Alice for instance.

As for the suggestion that the money earned from the books or the films is 'obscene' - every person who paid for a book or to see a film did so of their own free will. If you want to criticize monetary obscenity, look to the cash now funding our Iraqi quagmire - all of it taken by force through taxation. Plus a bit of bribery, perhaps.

As someone who has worked as a motel maid myself, I am shocked by the standards of the Balmoral. Is there no one in Scotland willing to do such a job? (Maybe not, with all the snooty bragging about jobs and salaries.) Or is the hotel too cheap to hire maids?

Perhaps the freedom Ashley champions is the Freedom of Spelling movement - either that or she is a native Gaelic speaker who only learned English very recently. I am afraid that when she says "never read a book never will," she MEANS it.

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TransisoResistor,

Glasgow 13/07/2007 16:20:43

No 91 - Well said , agree entirely. Middle class angst
indeed.

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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 13/07/2007 16:24:18

Joanna, Cambs -----#134 Hi Joanna, its nice to read your posts again, they are indeed a breath of fresh air. You may remember me from a former life. No Joanna, William Wallace is alive and well. Look forward to having a chat with you sometime. The pretendy one.

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Lane H,

13/07/2007 16:25:47

This comment is directed to all of the "adults" who posted criticizing other adults for reading the series. You say they need to grow up, but look at yourself. What gives you the right to tell people they are immature for enjoying a book? I'm a huge fan of the series, but that's all it is: a series. It's not a way of life and it doesnt harm others in anyway. So what if a 40-year-old enjoys it? Why do you care? If you, personally, don't enjoy it, that's all good and well. But dont tell others that they are too old to read a good, suspenseful book.

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Lanna,

SCalif 13/07/2007 16:35:14

#146, that's pretty good, better than I could have 'typed'!

#91/145, have to agree, her story is one of success, with lots of hard work and follow-thru, not to mention creativity and good luck.

#147, If I 'see' Joanna, I'll pass on your note! :)

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Dogram,

United States 13/07/2007 16:36:19

Dear Number 28: I have a hard time believing there is a hotel around that doesn't CLEAN THE ROOM before the next guest arrives. If this one does, I will NEVER stay there.

For those who don't think these books are for adults, let me just tell you that I am 61, reasonably well educated, and I am the one who introduced Harry Potter to my grandchildren, who are now teenagers and anxious to read the last book, as am I. I have read each of them several times, and find them entertaining and well written. The characters are well drawn, and I can see them in my mind when I read.

I read many genres of novels, and occassionally I do read non-fiction. These books are wonderful!

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Lanna,

13/07/2007 16:49:55

#150 Dogram,
#28/Corbett does tend to exaggerate....the vandalised bed headboard wasn't in permanent marker, it washed off easily...

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Miss P.,

Stow, Massachusetts, US 13/07/2007 16:57:20

Lane H., I completely agree. There are those who would also argue similarly that The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trillogy are for children only, even thought they're written on two levels, if you will.

Why waste time trying to convert those who are not intersted? As one post read earlier, they can sod off.

So, back to a discussion about books.

I enjoyed Philip Pullman's Dark Materials series very much. If you have yet to discover this amazing trillogy, I highly suggets you do (after the final Harry Potter, that is).

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Andrew Allan,

13/07/2007 17:08:54

My son learned his alphabet by the age of eighteen months old, so I encouraged him to read to help in his creative development. Myself I was a slow reader that would never pick up a book to read it. When I come across Harry Potter two books were already out, but I thought they sounded like the kinds of book which would help my son’s development, so I bought them. As soon as my son started to read them I could see the positive reaction right away, so I thought I would take a look. As soon as I started to read I was also hooked, and after the two Harry Potter books I was let loose into this wonderful world I had not been apart of, and I have been hooked ever since, so I owe so much to these wonderful stories. The only thing I can think of when I hear people having a go at the stories is they just haven’t got it, and most of the time the things they say about the stories are actually the opposite.

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Andrew Allan,

13/07/2007 17:13:48

Methalions., #153.
I started with Harry Potter books, but have gone onto Robert Ludlum, Andy McNab, Chris Ryan, Duncan Falconer etc..., and these are only the fiction Aauthors.

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Leianne,

Seattle, Washington, United States 13/07/2007 17:17:26

Of course Harry Potter is not real in any, way, shape, or form. The books were written as fantasy for a reason. Yes, it is a children's book, but that doesn't ban adults from reading it as well. Peter Pan is a children's story and movie also. Does that mean that adults shouldn't watch or read it either?

Yet, these books teach important principles of life to children and some that adults need to be reminded of. Life is not perfect. There will always be struggles.

If books were only written about facts, there would be no room to dream. What's life without a little fun in it? Children grow up too fast these days. Let them be children. The world is cruel and reality is harsh. I know that, but life is meant to be enjoyed, not just endured. I enjoy books of all genres not just Harry Potter. My Father quite enjoys them as well. It is one thing that keeps us close.

I respect those who do not like Harry Potter, but only those who have read at least one book. Those who blatantly attack Harry Potter when they have never touched a book in their lives, are extremely blind.

I agree with #152. Why waste time trying to convert those not interested?

I just hope that those who devote their lives to ruining Harry Potter for others will step back and think about the hatred and ridiculous back biting created.

It's only a book and one which I quite enjoy.

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Andrew Allan,

13/07/2007 17:22:37

Creativity is the crucible of all invention, so anything which generates said creativity, including books such as Harry Potter which bridge the gap between generations, can only be a positive.

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Yundah,

Olivet, Michigan, USA 13/07/2007 17:44:36

Overall the conversation seems to have devolved a bit...the point is, read! Read whatever and whenever you can, whether it is HP or TinTin or the Times. And don't judge other people's choices as long as they are reading something.
I know I sound rather pollyannaish but I really can't understand why people get so exercised over others' reading choices. I'm just happy to see them reading.
Peace

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Brian M,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 17:46:08

Let's face it. JKR wrote a book to try and make money. Her first effort was unsuccessful until interest from USA. Fast forward to successful book then film. Since then JKR has 'churned out' a series of long-winded regurgitating pap verging on a 'brand' with media-inspired 'launches' etc . Good luck to her that she has made millions from it all.

Given that she is regarded as one the most influential people in the (Harry Potter loving) world she may still turn out to be one of the extra-terrestial lizards which David Icke warned us about

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Los Angeles,

13/07/2007 17:48:44

There's a lot of discussion on the thread about whether or not the books are entertaining, and if so, how much that compensates for the generally accepted low standard of the writing.

But that isn't the question: the question is, how much do plots and characters amount to pastiche of other older work by other authors, and in bringing together disparate elements do they become something greater than their parts?

There is a facsimile circulating on the web of a page from a Star Wars script on which key characters and plot are scratched out and replaced with those from Potter. Nothing loses sense.

Shakespeare was assiduous in "borrowing" plots and stories created by other playrights. Indeed in the case of MacBeth, in reality a well-liked and wise Scottish king, he altered to evil and incompetent to suit his literary and symbolic purpose. What he produced was a masterpiece on obsessive ambition. To have done less might well have had the work derided ever since as populist fiction.

My point is: the argument over the exact sources of the Potter plots and characters won't hold sway pro or anti because the popularity of Potter long ago outstripped the unoriginality of the books. One may as well claim since some air is polluted we should stop breathing.

In the end, the phenomenon will run its course until something new arrrives to catch the mood of the next generation of children. By then Potter books will then turn up in second-hand stores, foxed in boxes stored in garages, and used as door stops.

Whatever comes next might be good writing, might be average. We can only hope it isn't mediocre.

POST SCRIPT

As for Rowling's ever-increasing wealth: lay aside the considerable sums from movie options, box office residuals, and allied products, she gets one pound from every book. Then again selling twenty-five million worldwide means twenty-five million pounds to her, less tax, agent and PR fees, office staff and sec

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Delftenaar,

13/07/2007 18:51:38

143. Great Picture Mate :)

Mario.

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Leigh McMillan,

Miami Florida 13/07/2007 19:02:51

This was the bestest thread ever! Oh, how I loves me ma Hootsman!

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Brian M,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 19:20:25

#161
"You know, my oldest daughter didn't want to read so I bought her books about horses, My second daughter didn't want to read so I bought her books about dogs"

I think you failed your daughters in YOUR choice of books, by the way how many books are there about horses and dogs, can you give us examples. Yet your youngest was somehow transformed by 'reading' HP, my @rse

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Saoghal Beag,

13/07/2007 19:24:03

Where's Ashley, she was fab, suppose she will be out wenching by now, ho hum, that was entertaining.

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AS Well,

13/07/2007 19:25:55

For all the adult readers here and especially Mrs. CEO and #141.
The vocabulary discussion finally got me to write here.
The question of "lothed" vs. "loathed" is interesting. I thank Steve G. for the new word to me: "loth." Actually, according to my online Visual Thesaurus there is no proper usage of "lothed". The correct and only usage is "loth" as in "loth to".
However, how Steve G. used it is how one would use the word which means close to the same thing, "loathed". Now that word can have an "ed" after the loath root. So, Mrs. Ceo was correct as well.

Just a reminder. If you can read this and you could read any of the Harry Potter books whether you loathed them or not, please thank your first reading teacher.

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Lynsey-Anne,

Clydebank 13/07/2007 19:26:53

I saw the film last night and thought it was fantastic.
It was so true to the book (I should know I have read it 7 times!!).
I love everything HP even though I am a 32 year old married mother of a 10 year old daughter.
My daughter loves the films but she is not interested at all in the books.
I have read the first 6 seven times each and cant wait for the last one.
I have even converted my husband to reading even after saying no way would he read them.

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Cake Or Death,

London 13/07/2007 19:39:21

I find it really funny when people say "hate the books. I have never read them". I WISH I could tell if a book was good before I read them. HP is (in my opinion) a great book series. If you dont like it you dont like it but dont spoil everyone elses fun. And please DONT call it just a bit of fun. Because its not! The books are just as complicated as "proper litriture (sp)" but can be read by everyone.

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Gwenny N. King,

Canada 13/07/2007 19:39:27

I love the HP books (though can't stand the poorly edited films). They are overly hyped, but isn't it a nice change to see a BOOK more hyped then something as lame as Paris Hiltons social life? I think it is wonderful that literature can make such an impact. And please don't ever judge a book BEFORE you've read it... that's really immature.

On the other hand, people are taking it too seriously. It is only a fantasy with relatable characters and strong themes. I also almost feel that it shouldnt be a "childrens book" so much as at least 10 years and up. I would never let an 8 year old read No. 5... they wouldnt even fully understand it.

I think it is wonderfully layered and I'm terribly excited to read No.7!!! If you disagree... well then you'll only need to suck it up because I think it's here to stay!

ps. Ashely: I dont want to hear your life story, sorry.

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Lanna,

13/07/2007 19:42:46

#166 Well, I'm not loth to admit it, as much as I love reading, I have not read any Harry Potter...too many other interesting books around...
...and, I think I'll take your advice....
..."Thank you, mother!" ;)

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Itchy,

13/07/2007 20:12:00

"Truth Finder / 1:51pm 13 Jul 2007 #21. I dont so much object to Ms Rowling raking it in, its these kids like Emma Watson who at 17 has earned £10m from essentially a Summer job. That is obscene."

Your grasp of economics is woeful. The idea that popular film stars making a lot of money is obscene is just marxist drivel.

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POtter Lover,

USA 13/07/2007 20:19:29

I have to say i admire the way Rowling created this world. I cant even comprhend having that much imagination and being that smart. The potter books aren't just about a boy who can do magic. It's about good vs evil. Riwling also use greek and roman mythology for characters creatures and more.

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twowheel loon,

13/07/2007 20:48:56

I was an early reader, still remember catching hell from the school librarian after being "caught" with a copy of James herberts Fog (4th years upwards only.

Bet she'd have freaked if she'd known I had a complete collection of Clark Ashton Smith by the age of 11.

Actually that might explain a few things, no regrets though.

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twowheel loon,

13/07/2007 20:53:07

That just made think and do a quick web search, found this.

http://www.eldritchdark.com/writings/short-stories/

Gone for the rest of the night folks, catching up on some childhood reading materials.

Damn it is a good site.

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Saoghal Beag,

13/07/2007 20:55:55

ah come back Ashley we love you, not as much as JK's books but we love you like we love a small puppy, with three leg and incontinence...

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hp reader,

at work 13/07/2007 21:10:07

Isn't it funny how people who call the HP books trash, rubbish, never will read them, sick of it all---are here because they read an article quite plainly labeled as pertaining to the Hogwarts world? If they truly are that sick of it, why in the world did they bother reading the article and commenting here? Maybe they just don't like seeing ither people enjoy anything.

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POTTERFAN,

U.K 13/07/2007 21:14:47

i would like to say that i adore the harry potter books they introduced me into the world of reading. as for the adults who seem to think that they are boring and to childlike, its not everyday that someone can create a world and have childern all over the world want to believe in it, adults too. i think the adults of the world have lost their imaginations and can not appreciate a good novel. i would also like to add that POTTER ROX MY SOX!!!

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POTTERFAN,

U.K 13/07/2007 21:17:25

i also agree with hp reader... u rock also !!!

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Delftenaar,

13/07/2007 21:34:02

POtter WHATS your Sox ?

Isnt that just wrong ?

See, I do have an imagination.

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twowheel loon,

13/07/2007 21:43:15

Just been up in the loft, found them, first box I opened had a hardback copy of genius Loci right on the top.

Sod reading them on line, real paper books.

Oh I actually do very much like J.K Rowlings books.

Same as I enjoyed cs lewis, tolkien, anne mcaffrey, David eddings, Heinlein, Stephen donaldson....

Time to stop typing start reading... gone.

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HP fan,

US 13/07/2007 21:44:33

to all those people that don't think adults should read them: i think that people like u SUCK!! the Harry Potter books have carried me thru my childhood, and now i'm a young adult and i still read them! and 2 Stevie G.: don't u EVER disc JKR again!!!!!! the HP books are the best books EVER!!!! how can u say that they're poorly written?!?! i admit, i find the first 3 a bit tame, but thats only 'cus there's not much action. maybe u should read all the books b4 u say stuff like that! remember, its u and about 499 people against the other 10 billion people on this planet that r NORMAL and LIKE HP!! in my book, ur just bitchy if u disc someone else, especially since U probably couldn't do much better!

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Boy Wonder,

13/07/2007 22:00:07

Just back from seeing the movie HP and the Order of the Phoenix ... and the BW family all loved it. Very well done movie. Lots missing from the books but you can't fit it all into a couple of hours. Daughters are swooning over Daniel Radcliffe. The nephew liked Luna Lovegood. I can see I'll have to buy new posters for Christmas!

Best yet .... bring on the rest!!!

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Brian M,

Edinburgh 13/07/2007 22:11:16

HP is an example of the success of cinematic writing

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 13/07/2007 22:16:16

Thanks for the rec Boy Wonder.... plan on going tomorrow!!

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Scott,,

United States 13/07/2007 22:54:10

Hp fan #182

I know that you are angry by the responses of certain people on here but your own responses need to be a little more mature than your belittling ramblings.

Remember how you act on here sets the standerd for the rest of America and how other countires view us.

That's society. How we view one, is how we view the rest.

-Scott

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Gemma Ravenscroft,

Victoria 13/07/2007 23:18:23

Try reading "The Golden Crusader", available at online bookstores, if you want a well-written, action packed mystery with believable characters.

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Sleighride,

Virginia, USA 13/07/2007 23:54:07

#1 - Thanks for the compliment Boy Wonder...every knock is a boost. By the way are you related to that Boy George?

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Lanna,

14/07/2007 00:24:10

#189 Sleighride,
Boy Wonder is just jealous of Batman getting all the top ratings! Anyway, last film I saw starred an Australian!

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Paul S.,

Mauricetown, NJ, USA 14/07/2007 00:27:50

Following are three things about the Harry Potter novel (and it is really one story, not seven) which appeal to me.

1) Each successive book is written to the level of the age of the protagonists. Book 1, for instance, is excellent for 11-year-olds. And Book 5 is an almost painfully accurate portrait of 15-year-old life.

2) It is written as if it takes place right now. Other suggestions of "better" books have been Lot, Hobbitt, and EarthSea. They are written about distant and mythological times and folks. Hobbit's early references to golf are embarrassing. Tolkien never gets the story going properly until LotR. EarthSea Triology again has the same "otherworldy" landscape supplying an escape from our world. Both are worthy and well-written. I enjoyed them both, and have read LotR about seven times.

But HP is placed in today's world. And if some consider JKR's style "stilted", let me suggest that she is not writing a story in which the mythic diction of LotR or EarthSea would be anything close to appropriate. She tells the story quite visually and crisply.

3) Her use of themes of social justice and race introduce kids to an increasingly adult world-view volume by volume. When they are kids, the characters respond as kids. As they age into near adulthood, their responses to evil and injustice become more mature.

This is an important series if only because Dumbledore leads Harry to consider that Voldemort has a backgroud which makes him understandable. For me the greatest weakness of LotR is that even Silmarillion never gives me a satisfactory reason for Sauron to be evil. We never learn of the motive behind his goals, or even what his final goals are. At least with Voldemort we gain motive and perhaps more.

Well, I have actually been engaged to review the final book by a weekly journal in my area. So I'll see what I make of it. My deadline is July 26, so I'll have to do so major reading rather quic

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Boffin,

North of the border... with Mexico 14/07/2007 00:37:12

182: I think you mean "dis" (a colloquial contraction of "disrespect") not "disc" (a two-dimensional circular form). I bet even Ashley knows that.

And for those who think there's a 160 character limit on everything:

182 its dis not disc u shud chk ur urbn dctnry k?

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Paul S.,

Mauricetown, NJ, USA 14/07/2007 00:50:15

Am I the only person on this board to be distressed that the only person whose film salary is being called "obscene" is Emma Watson, the only female in the trio of stars?

Truly obscene sexism!

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az,

14/07/2007 01:01:22

All this fuss over a story book - more posts on this than serious life effecting matters - it is easy to live in a make believe world but you always have to come home

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Gwenny N. King,

Canada 14/07/2007 01:12:24

I agree with Paul @ 191,

My age has pretty much matched the age of Harry as I read the books (I started them when i was 11 and now i am nearly 17 like harry) they do mature at the same rate... quite clever.
She has managed to mix the wizards world in amongst present day UK in a beleivable way. She has also intertwined mythological ideas and witchcraft steryotypes into it. You have to respect that, even if it is not nearly as dense as LotR (she didnt write a new language just for the books) but it is well researched... for all the adults out there: they may not be sophisticated enough for such intelectuals as yourselves, but please respect those who still have an inner child and remeber their own struggles in highschool and can apreciate such an origional and relatable story:) It's not just any book that can manage to become such a phinominum!!! I really beleive that HP has some sort of X factor.

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AS Well,

14/07/2007 01:20:17

#191 Paul S.

What fine summary of the series and observation about the age issues in each book. Thanks.
Perhaps people who think money is obscene just need to have a bit more?

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Paul S.,

Mauricetown, NJ, USA 14/07/2007 01:21:47

# 194

What an odd thing to say.What do you plan to do about Iraq, or the political news?

Life is short and art is long. I choose to spend my short life working in the world of the arts — a very sane choice. That, by definition includes HP.

On the other hand, please note that far to many postings are just the usual off-topic drivel by people with too much time on their hands.

The issues Rowling has raised with increasing immediacy in eacdh volume of her story are all about drawing the reader into the world of "serious, life effecting (sic) matters."

So read every HP book in order, then talk about "life effecting [please make that "affecting"] matters" needing addressing. The seven-part novel is about the increasing awareness as the kids age from 11 to 17 of justice issues: of KKK/Nazi racial purity sickness, of humanizing the opposition no matter the ease with which we can demonize them. It's about not living by knee-jerk responses.

That is quite life-affecting. To learn this young would be a very positive thing in a life.

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alex_yanks,

Philippines 14/07/2007 01:45:25

The first book was released 10 years ago, I was a kid when I started reading it and by the time the last book will be released I will be an adult. So its not weird to see adults reading the harry potter books because we all started reading them when we are kids.

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Delftenaar,

14/07/2007 01:49:29

Oh Christ, The Yanks have arrived.

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Lanna,

sippin sweet tea on mah front porch 14/07/2007 02:11:04

yep, we're here, but we're not all Yanks, sugah!!

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Sudabeh,

Florida 14/07/2007 02:58:57

Wow! I find it hard to believe that individuals who do not appreciate Harry Potter, spend their time criticizing it online. I think your time would be better spent writing about subjects that you enjoy. Harry Potter is a great series. The fact of the matter is that this series is making literary history. It will be read by generations to come. I think that any educated adult would read the series because of its historical impact.

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Yankee girl,

California 14/07/2007 03:04:18

Just adding to the Yank contingent . . .

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Sudabeh,

14/07/2007 03:14:08

Wow! I find it hard to believe that individuals who do not appreciate Harry Potter, spend their time criticizing it online. I think your time would be better spent writing about subjects that you enjoy. Harry Potter is a great series. The fact of the matter is that this series is making literary history. It will be read by generations to come. I think that any educated adult would read the series because of its historical impact.

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Paul S.,

Mauricetown, NJ, USA 14/07/2007 03:29:57

There are only eleven plots from which to choose. A good writer may mix and match from those eleven, but that's what there are.

So the question is always, "How is the story told, " not "What is the story?"

Does Rowling tell her story in an effective and appropriate manner? Absolutely yes. Folks who want to compare her style to other tales (LotR or Earth Sea or anything else) cannot rightly say that because her style is not that of Tolkien or LeGuin that she is not as good a writer. She has written THIS book in the style appropriate to it. A final judgement on her ability will have to wait a next book or even short story on a different topic.

To get a better idea of the use of style as a tool of an author to achieve a different voice, check out the Alexandria Quartet. Mountolive, the third person omnicient author book of the four, is placed perfectly to achieve Durrell's artistic goal of a fourth dimensional quartet.

Rowling has achieved something similar in her gradual aging of the characters and the gradual growth in intensity of the characters. She finds a new and well-calculated voice in each book. She also uses repetition (not that garbage required by her publisher as re-exposition) to tighten her moral focus in each successive year of the tale.

The whole seven year sequence is like a literary "Rossini Crescendo": a reiteration of certain basic themes with new supporting material added to refocus the reader's attention on the underlying cultural and moral tensions.

The whole story is, of course, an old story with achetypal figues: the wise old man, the coming of age story, the quest and the helpers of the quester, and the good/evil conflict given a lesson in searching for the humanity in the evil.

And above all, we learn that 'magic' is not something which guarantees goodness or even power.

These are important issues, presented is a very engaging and setting- and character-appro

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Vivia,

United States 14/07/2007 03:47:38

I myself am a Harry Potter fan I started Reading the Harry Potter series when I was in 2nd grade though being that young I didn't understand them all that well now I am 15 and I love them more than ever I go and see the movies and you can bet that I will be at the book store hours before midnight!! For the longest time they were the only books that I would read but now I love to read, I would rather read than watch Tv!!! These books opened my mind to see that reading can be fun I have now read some very complex books for my age for example i just finished reading Angles & Demons by Dan Brown amazing by the way! well thats all I have to say!

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Scott,,

United States 14/07/2007 08:34:27

Dear Readers,

No matter how hard it may be, please forgive the imature response above. I assure you not all americans are like that.
-Scott

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 14/07/2007 09:05:01

Scott @ 208

We know...... anyway he might not even be American... he could be from anywhere!! :D

Paul S.... various posts

Thanks for your posts..... very enjoyable to read ... good luck with the review! :)

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Starlight,

14/07/2007 09:30:46

Yes, I admit to being a Harry Potter fan. I also admit to being a bibliomaniac, library-frequenting, bookstore haunting twen who started reading Harry Potter for lack of English reading during a six-year stint in Germany.

Harry Potter did not reinvent the wheel, that much I admit, but even in its relative simplicity it has a compelling style that draws the reader right into a world that is at once similar and dissimilar to our everyday life. It is something I miss in most fantasy novels- a recent exception being the "Temeraire" series by Naomi Novik (which, for a history nerd and former Hornblower addict like me is like having coffee and chocolate in one). Harry Potter is not written for those of us who tend to dissect an analyze books until nothing but the bare pages remain- it is a book that demands to be read. Simply read, put aside, and smiled about.

I'm a person of varied tastes- I adore Dostoevsky and Cussler, Rushdie and Novik, Schami and Evanovich. No book is safe from me (except those horrid Dan Brown things. Read two, thought I'd missed switching books, found out I did, gave the others away for free). Still, Harry Potter touches that special place every reader has inside themselves, that "I will escape reality so completely not even the smell of coffee or a klaxon going off next to me will wake me" feeling we lose much too soon.

As a child, I shivered in fear underneath my covers from having read the (forbidden, I was seven) epic Lord of the Rings saga. As a teen, I wondered how Goethe could create magic in rhymes and call it "a simple tale about a man and his fall from grace". And right beside his Faust stood, for me, Harry Potter- the one thing that took me back to the frightened, excited seven year-old and her flashlight late-night reading adventures.

It's not about style, it's not even about starting to read more (frankly, it still amazes me my parents didn't file for bankruptcy with three book-d

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Starlight,

14/07/2007 09:35:25

I'm not about to go tell these people that reading Harry Potter might be worth their while. I'm not going to dispute that Rowlings writing leaves something to be desired. I'm just going to quietly find a midnight sale, grab my copy and, for the next four hours, escape from the world as we know it.

For that is what books have been to me ever since I was that little kid who knew what the teacher wrote on the blackboard and was shunned for it- a wonderful, glorious, adventurous escape.

And then, I will come back, reenter the world, continue writing my Master's thesis as though nothing had happened and smile once in a while in that satisfied way that comes with having read a great book.

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Ava B,

In suspense for book 7 14/07/2007 09:44:22

I have never read the Hootsmon online before, but I have really enjoyed yesterday's posts on this topic. Although Ashley is a bit scary, I think we've all worked with someone like her. She's no reader, and certainly not a writer.

I thought Mrs CEO was interesting, though Joanna, Camb is clearly the most balanced person on this board both yesterday and today.

As for JKR, I am very interested to see the STV programme, I think it would be foolish to assume we'll see anything truly revelatory about Jo or her writing, so much has been told already.

I presume she's using it to cement her reputation and fame, so that she can move on from Harry Potter and use her influence to make a difference to those things that matter to her. Not to mention, trying to sate the world's ovewhelming interest in her own personal story.
Her management of her publicity has really improved over the years; I suppose it couldn't but do so.

As you can see, I am an admirer.

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Croman mac Nessa,

14/07/2007 12:29:59

12, David Chapman, in the stories (which you apparently haven't given any real attention to, if you've even read them at all), a "muggle" is a "mundane." That is, it's someone who is "normal," or not gifted with the talents that enable wizardry. It's not code or a veiled reference to any particular "race" or skin colour. It is in fact everything to do with the unthinking prejudiced themselves, whether their prejudices are "racial" or religious or socio-economic or political, etc. See the muggles in the stories and you generally see oppression of anyone who is "different," based on the muggles' own prejudices.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 14/07/2007 14:34:41

Just got back from watching Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix...... it was great! My youngster who would never normally sit through a 3 hour film without numerous requests for the loo.... was enthralled throughout and didn't move from his seat. Sheer entertainment and escapism..... excellent stuff.

Have to say that Harry 5 was my least favourite of all the books and I thought JKR lost her way a little bit with it...(altho' she came good in No6!), but the film, in my opinion, in the best one yet. All credit to the director, cast and crew and of course kudos to the writer who imagined it all in the first place..... thanks!

Ava B @ 213

Thanks for your comment :)) I'm also looking forward to No7!

Starlight ..... good post ... I'm amazed by the books that you read ... I thought I read a lot:)

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View of Delft,

Pittsburgh 14/07/2007 15:46:49

I'm very grateful that I live in a time like this when fans wait impatiently for the completion of a great series. The last time was the incredibly long wait between the publishing of The Two Towers and the writing of The Return of the King. Now we speculate on the various mysteries Rowling has presented: can Harry live; is Snape evil; will our favorite characters survive? Rowling's prose may not be top drawer, but her constuction of the series is superb. There are so many mysteries, book 7 may not be able to tie up all the loose ends. Kudos to J.K. Rowling on a job well done.

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Myra,

grow up! 14/07/2007 16:06:15

It is a book and movie, no more no less. Why do you give a hoot about what other people read, write or watch on the television.

Don't hate what you don't have, noobs.


shut up and get a life

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Paul S.,

Mauricetown, NJ, USA 14/07/2007 18:07:48

Starlight 211:

No one reinvents the wheel, so that's no big deal. The only important thing is what one does with the wheel once they've decided to use it.

Joanna 215:

I don't understand why it is so, but all the people I know who didn't like Phoenix as a book were female. For me it was the strongest until it was followed by the most humane, Half-Blood Prince. It think perhaps it was Rowling's right-on-the-money depiction of an angst-ridden 15-year-old boy that is so compelling and recognizable by many an adult male. I'm 65 and it still resonates strongly.

Others:

Some folks mentioned Dark Materials as if it is a superior series. It isn't; nor is it worse. It's very, very good, but it is simply different. It is much more meditative and mystical. It is also based on a clevel mixture of scientific and religious themes. Such metaphysical ideas have not as yet surfaced in HP, though if they are going to, Deathly Hallows is the place, especially with a title like that!

Another thing I really like about Rowling's book is her use of references to history, mythology, Bible, and perhaps even Shakesspeare.

One possible, though unconfirmed, source for the title character's name is 1) Harry — Henry V (also Hal, but that could be confused with 2001: SO). And in the Bible the potter is the one who shapes a vessel. So we have a name which suggests the making of a king. Whether that all pans out we'll find out in a week. But Rowling's clever references in many guises send the curious young reader into other fascinating directions ourside the book (learn about the real Nicholas Flammel). They may need to be pointed in the right direction (perhaps a study guide would be helpful), but a reader could gain an interesting liberal education by going off on all the tangents Rowling makes possible.

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Paul S.,

Mauricetown, NJ, USA 14/07/2007 18:11:00

Oh, by the way, today I read a report in which Rowling says that she no longer has "scar" as the final word, though it is very near the final word.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 14/07/2007 19:01:26

Paul S

I didn't find Harry annoying in 5, I thought his anger was reasonable considering his age and what he'd been through. What I found a little laboured were some of the passages about Grawp and the build-up to the fight in the Ministry of Magic with Voldemort.
I also thought the ending with the battle between V and HP was very similar to the preceding book and bit too over-worked. It didn't have the pace of Goblet of Fire or the cleverness of Azkaban ... for me anyway.


 

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