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Published Date: 26 April 2007
IRAQ has modified a US military plan to protect a Sunni enclave in Baghdad with high concrete walls, and is using barbed wire and smaller cement barriers instead, an Iraqi military spokesman has said.
Shiite prime minister Nuri al-Maliki had ordered a halt to the three-mile wall round Adhamiya, surrounded on three sides by Shiite areas.

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  • Last Updated: 25 April 2007 9:10 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Iraq
 
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Finnking,

Finland 26/04/2007 03:12:48

These local councils, huh? You just can't get the planning permission these days.

Still, concrete and barbed wire will really give the place a certain charm, a visual impact that's in line with the aesthetics of a foreign military occupation.

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26/04/2007 09:15:32
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Wally,

Arizona 26/04/2007 10:21:20

I've read that the citizens of Baghdad have erected lots of concrete barriers and walls even to protect their neighborhoods from sectarian violence. and they even have local neighborhood groups that are heavily armed who sit at the entrances to neighborhoods to monitor and respond to attacks. In these sectarian attacks strangers bust into neighborhoods and just start killing for no apparent reason. This whole phenomenon did not happen prior to the invasion.

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Dox,

26/04/2007 14:29:01

If I was surrounded by nutters intent on killing me and mine by blowing themselves up I would want a wall to keep them away.

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Carolyn 1,

26/04/2007 16:12:13

Bullets go through chicken fencing

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26/04/2007 18:56:33
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Carolyn 1,

Unity 08 26/04/2007 19:29:28

Only Democrats cut and run

In the televised interview with PBS last night, Bush reaffirmed his strategy to help the Iraqi build a stable government. The Democrats know the cut and run bill they passed is for cowards only; therefore Bush will veto the foolish thing immediately. The United States is staying for the long road to democracy because we understand there is no cut and easy run to stability in the region.

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57Nomad,

california 27/04/2007 05:59:20

#4 Wally

Wally says:

"strangers bust into neighborhoods and just start killing for no apparent reason. This whole phenomenon did not happen prior to the invasion."

That all depends on what you call "killing for no apparent reason." What do you call it when the Iranian Air Force and Army start lobbing in bombs and shells filled with poison gas on a whole city? You're right about one thing, though, some jive barbed wire fence wouldn't have stopped a giant cloud of poison gas. Or how 'bout when they destroyed the giant marshlands where the Tigress and Euphrates meet the ocean. This devastated one of the worlds liveliest ecosystems and reduced the indigenous population by four fifths.

Wally when you say that "this never happened before the invasion," you counter with a variety of pious and sentimental proclamations that, while possessing their own individual charms, nonetheless contradict you.

The reason that there isn't the wholesale slaughter associated with the former regime, and that the carnage being inflicted in Iraq at this time is small potatoes compared to having the Army and the Air Force unlimber on your nice little city with poison gas or committing ecological crimes against you so that your habitat is impoverished to the point where survival was a tricky thing.

Wally, just for fun try and answer without the following, and I promise you can require the same of me. Make a list of my techniques and references that you've outgrown your fondness for. Let's try to think of new ways to be right all the time.

So for the Marsh Arab deal you kinda shine it on. Did you say it was no big deal because there was no military consequences to them? I think you did. You have rationalized away the unprovoked mass slaughter of civilians and railed against a guy with panties on his head, or, the 'oh my god how could they!!' orange jump suits. Also, no tracing the regime of Saddam direct

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57Nomad,

california 27/04/2007 06:07:26

#4 Wally,

Wally my man, I gotta take off, I'll finish this later.

RO WALLY!

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57Nomad,

california 27/04/2007 17:53:51

#13 Hal

You should read more carefully. Wally said that sectarian violence never happened before 2003. My response refutes that.

You said:

"Whatever happened under Saddam in Iraq... is Iraqi Business.."

Did you mean to say Iraq and Kuwait's business? Because I think you may have forgotten the Saddam invaded both Iran and Kuwait.

I think it would be interesting if you traveled to Iraq and started mingling with the folks there, especially the Shi'as and start sharing your opinion about what a cool guy Saddam was and how they need another one just like him.

By the way I would like to point out that on one hand you deplore the coalition involvement in Iraq and then you say:

"what is needed is a strong leader.... Just like Saddam."

Didn't you just get done saying, in that same paragraph, that foreigners should butt out of Iraq? Why then are you sticking your nose in? Isn't it a little arrogant and condescending for you, a few thousand miles away from the scene, to be opining that the Iraqis are not evolved enough to live in a democracy and are only fit to live in under a ruthless despotism. You know what that sounds like to me? Now this is just my opinion, but what you are saying is racist.

The Iraqis are a competent and industrious people. There is no anti-Coalition insurgency. The Iraqi people don't want us to leave until order is restored. The carnage is caused by Sunni die hards loyal to the former regime and Iran who is sponsoring Mookies gang. We have no intention of allowing a pack of thugs to get the best of us.

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57Nomad,

california 27/04/2007 18:10:44

#16 TSW

TSW said:

"Good fences have never made good policy, just as they’ve never made good neighbors."

For those who need a refresher, a little more than 800 years ago the British subdued their neighbor island country, Ireland. They cemented their rule by sending British subjects, a significant percentage of them Scottish to Ireland after removing the Irish inhabitants from their dwellings and handing those dwellings over to the Scots. I believe that Scottish nobles were given the property of Irish nobles who were displaced from their manors and castles.

But the Irish Irish are Catholic and the Scots Irish are protestant. Consequently a great deal of sectarian strife has ensued. Much of it on a par with the worst that Iraq has to offer. To lower the incidence of violence between the two religious groups (think Sunni and Shi'a) would you care to guess what solution the British came up with? Guess? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?

Just click to the link below and then send a message to TSW, if you care to, and seek an explanation. I'm especially interested to hear her opinion on whether or not all of the Scots Irish should pack up and leave because if they did there would be peace in Northern Ireland.

http://www.ypress.org/specialedition/ireland/081797_histo...

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Lynne,

USA 27/04/2007 18:38:26

Well Nomad, you certainly told him!!! Now please, go before Congress, and the Senate and tell them too...but I think they have lost their marbles.
It would be the first time in history, that the Congress and Senate micromanaged a war. Do they not truly believe that those insurgents are just waiting it out for us to leave, after giving them a date? I honestly think they are all stupid.
They play politics at 2 countries' expense!!

I am going to ask for a list of names who voted for this bill...and make sure, when I vote...I do not vote for them again.

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Thomas Paine,

27/04/2007 19:31:14

Lynne! Don't forget to pass me that list so I would do just the opposite!! Congratulations, You just made a patriotic voter out of me!

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Lynne,

USA 27/04/2007 21:10:19

Thomas Paine..glad you will vote..
but remember these words.
I said it on another thread...


FOREWARNED IS FOREARMED

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Lynne,

USA 27/04/2007 21:20:36

BY THE WAY...as an interior decorator, it is easier to work with a concrete wall, than barbed wire.
Barbed wire actually has a "prison look" to it!!!

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57Nomad,

california 27/04/2007 22:03:13

#20 TSW

Thanks for asking for the clarification. I am comparing the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland to the sectarian violence in Baghdad. They are very similar. Catholics and Protestants are both Christians, Sunnis and Shi'a are both Muslim.

The situations are similar. If it works in Belfast why won't it work in Baghdad? Why the ridicule?

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57Nomad,

california 27/04/2007 22:25:41

#8 Hal

Lets see, you say:

"Hans Blix.... Scot Ritter...the French and Germans... all warned the Bush and Company against attacking Iraq....wellBush wanted to have his war.... and now hes discovered he cant win.... will let the Democrats take the rap for loosing it."

Hans Blix, Scot Ritter, the French, the Germans? We didn't then, don't now, and do not intend in the future to base our plans on the musings of Hans Blix, Scot Ritter, the French, or the Germans.

You have your opinion about who's winning and who's losing. That's a finger in the wind approach, typical of your kind. You have, therefore, picked the wrong side.

We base our approach on what kind of people are winners and what kind of people are losers. Winners laugh in the face of adversity. Winners never mind defying popular wisdom. Winners never quit. It's a matter of character, not a matter of shifting political and social fashion.

You side with the impotent cynical swarm of ankle biters so ignored by everyone except their fellow pathetic ankle biter friends. I urge you, before you make any important decisions in your life to take a poll of the opinions of others and base your decisions on the results of those polls. Never think for yourself, never keep your own counsel, always worry about what others think about you even if it costs you every shred of your dignity, your manhood has evidently been missing since birth.


 

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