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President of Iran to pay landmark two-day visit to Baghdad



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Published Date: 15 February 2008
MAHMOUD Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, is to make a landmark visit to Baghdad for talks with Nuri al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister, and other officials.
The visit, on 2 and 3 March, will be the first by the president of the Islamic Republic, which is at loggerheads with many in the West over the causes of violence in Iraq as well as Tehran's nuclear programme.

Washington and London accuse Iran
of helping Shiite militias in Iraq, by giving them training and weapons, including armour-piercing bombs known as explosively formed penetrators that have killed US and British troops. Tehran denies the charges.

Iran, a predominantly Shiite Muslim country, and Iraq fought an eight-year war in the 1980s in which hundreds of thousands were killed. Ties have improved since Saddam Hussein, a Sunni Arab, was ousted in the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and a Shiite Muslim-led government came to power in Baghdad. Both Mr Maliki and Jalal Talabani, the Iraqi president, have visited Iran.

Ali al-Dabbagh, a spokesman for the Iraqi government, said "(Mr Ahmadinejad's visit] is significant in the sense that Iraq wants to have good relations with Iran (but] there should be no interference in Iraq's internal affairs."

He said Iran should respect Iraq's right to have relations with the countries it chose to.

Some analysts have said the visit will annoy Washington, but the White House yesterday voiced support for the trip, so long as Iran stopped supporting militias in Iraq – Mr Ahmadinejad often speaks out against the US military presence in Iraq.

"We want Iran and Iraq to have good relations," Gordon Johndroe, a White House spokesman, said. "The fastest way for that to happen is for Iran to stop supporting extremists in Iraq who kill innocent Iraqis and Americans."

A Tehran-based analyst, who did not want to be named, said the visit would be a setback to Washington's efforts to isolate Iran. "It will go against American propaganda against Iran," he said.

"(The Americans] are saying Iraqi leaders are not happy with Iranian interference and provocation inside Iraq. This visit will show Iraqi leaders are not really concerned with an Iranian threat. They are not openly opposing the Iranian position."





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  • Last Updated: 14 February 2008 10:34 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Lynne,

USA 15/02/2008 01:32:44
Just getting the lay of the land..He needs Baghdad for the center of his caliphate.. Might as well see what is in it for him and the other Islamofacists.!!
2

Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 15/02/2008 02:18:46
There will be no caliphate: that era is past. Arabs will never accept a non-Arab caliph nor non-Arabs an Arab one. The danger (especially once the oil eventually runs out) is a mass a failed states with battalions of unemployable Rage Boys having at one another (perhaps with WMDs) over disputed surahs and sending waves a refugees to the West. So will end the "religion of peace".
3

Murray Mac.,

15/02/2008 02:54:54
Baghdad is a big city, he could get lost!
4

Kiumars,

15/02/2008 05:05:47
I see from the comments that people are really scared of the unity of the Muslims! Let’s face it, it is on the cards and will happen sooner than latter, Catholics have a caliph (the pope) so what is so strange if Muslims have one again? Unity, strength and honour.
5

Kiumars,

15/02/2008 05:13:33
God bless my president Dr. Ahmadinejad, he has my full support all the way. Unity, strength and honour.
6

Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 15/02/2008 05:40:34
Klumars: No, we are not. We fear rather being in the midst of tribalist warfare as you shoot it out with each other vainly trying to rebuild that unity. You threaten more harm to yourselves than to us. Your president is a vain ass.
7

Fortunado,

15/02/2008 11:47:43
4 Kiumars,15/02/2008 05:05:47
5 Kiumars,15/02/2008 05:13:33

If there were a god then presumably one could pray to him/her/it to take brainwashed nuts like you and your president and his bunch of co-criminals and the other citizens of your “caliphdom” to his paradise/hell/purgatory etc kingdom. Then do likewise with other religious nuts like you whichever denomination they belong to, so that the rest might have the chance to establish a world of humanity on this earth free from baseless, unproved, unverified, unverifiable, presumptuous lies fed to all in the name of religion. Amen
8

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 15/02/2008 14:25:01
Unfortunately, from a neutral point of view, it seems that both the west (some of them) and whomever is a member of an axis of evil this week, are as bad as each other.
9

Dáithí,

San Jose 15/02/2008 14:57:54
#8 -

>"Unfortunately, from a neutral point of view..."

This is the type of irrational thinking that the pro-Nazi's used in the US to keep us out of WWII until it was almost too late.

They too claimed that they were merely 'expressing a neutral point of view, and suggested we stay neutral as well'.
10

britfree,

camelon 15/02/2008 15:39:12
daffy plays the nazi card again. historys lost on daffy so he goes for the broadbrush-"everyones a nazi speil". anyone who disagrees with his warped veiw of recent palestinian history , must by extension be pro adolf and the evils of nazi germany. daffy has never understood a single book he's read and is jealous of the ability of those that can, to construct a coherent narrative.
11

Dáithí,

San Jose 15/02/2008 17:00:24
#10 - brainfree

>"daffy plays the nazi card again. historys lost on daffy s..."

My statement is historically correct - and I see that you didn't refute it's historic accuracy either.

Feel free to show that my statement is incorrect concerning the pro-Nazi Americans and their position on US neutrality before WWII.
12

Thomas Paine,

15/02/2008 17:26:35
It's amazing that a friendly visit from a neighboring country would petrify zionists' putrified remaining brains! Get used it dummies, it's a new world!!
13

Kiumars,

15/02/2008 18:32:59
I read an article on the Jerusalem Post last year that said some Zionist (which according to the UN resolution 3379 are racist people) groups employ students and unemployed Jews to go on different websites and write anti-Islamic and pro-Israeli slurs. The article also said that they use some search engine software that scans the web and finds the articles that need Zionist inputs! Prior to that article I was always wondering how a few million Jews world-wide could find these articles so quickly and write on so many websites everyday (except Saturdays!)! I think we can see the footprint of a few of them on this article too! LOL …
Unity, strength, and honor.
14

Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 15/02/2008 19:13:05
13: Some of us have as little use for Zionists as for your sort of crazies, but at least they confine their aggression to one country. You're too soaked in your own leaders' nutty propaganda.
15

Dáithí,

San Jose 15/02/2008 19:19:01
#13 - Kiumars

>"employ students and unemployed Jews to go on different websites and write anti-Islamic and pro-Israeli slurs."

EGAD! You mean they're behaving like leftist American/Canadian/European college students that post anti-US/UK/Israel/pay-their-own-tuition slurs here on 'The Scotsman'?

Is your objection that they get paid for doing it while the US/Canadian ones do it for free?

Perhaps the left needs a better Student's Union.
16

American,

15/02/2008 20:23:35
#13-kiumars-Many of us dont need "zionists" to make us anti-islamic. All we have to do is read the papers & look at the news about the homicide bombings, the targeting of disabled women and children to carry out homicide bombings, beheadings, forced honor killings & protest signs calling for beheadings of those who are not islamic.I dont need a "zionist jew" to tell me that muslims are rioting, again, in Denmark all because of a cartoon. No my friend, dont blame anti-islam on the "zionist"!
17

Lynne,

USA 15/02/2008 20:45:11
#13-kiumars..does the expression DEATH TO AMERICA
or DEATH TO ISRAEL ring a bell with you? Are you one of the thousands on Friday after prayers screaming that tune?
Denmark has already had 5 days of riots..over a stupid cartoon!! And that calls for death of the people involved..editor, artist, etc. It's a damn cartoon.
Who died and left these people in charge of the world to tell other countries what could be printed and can't be printed?
The problem with these Islamofacists..is no sense of humor.
18

Lynne,

USA 15/02/2008 21:00:43
Thomas Paine..."These are times that try mens' souls".
Truer words have never been spoken.
When a person who is supplying, funding, training, and arming people who are trying to kill almost 4,000 of your soldiers with IEDs etc., we seem to get a bit out of sorts.
It has nothing to do with zionists, it has to do with AMERICAN SOLDIERS, and the man who is arming Al Qaeda in Iraq, and the militant armies.
Sooo, get that thru your putrified brain...you dummy
19

Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/02/2008 21:21:58
Lynne must not be too miffed at the comments thus far, there is no "red" yet.
20

mike - across the pond,

kiumars... 15/02/2008 21:41:57
clarification request...

you said that catholics have their caliphate (the pope)... ok I dont necessarily agree.. however I think I understand what you are saying

then you went on to say "why cant muslims have the same"... ok I get that too... more on that in a minute....

the clarification I need to make is this:
catholics are one sect of christianity... and not even a majority...

the clarification I NEED from you is this:
"mulsims" are made up of many sects... are you advocating ONE leader for all of islam... all sects? what do the wahabis say about that... what about the sunnis... shiites... taliban... are they all willing to bow to a caliphate not of their particular sect?

are you advocating that "the pope" be over all christianity? I can tell you that will never work...

the problem I see for a muslim caliphate is that those not of the caliph's sect are prone to political abuse... dont you agree?
21

Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/02/2008 21:50:03
Lynne

19 ei ole minun. Not mine, Lynne.
22

Kiumars,

15/02/2008 23:49:09
20 mike - across the pond, 15/02/2008 21:41:57
There are only two main branches in Islam (85-88% Sunni, 15-12% Shia, less than 1% others), the rest are so small that you need a microscope to find them. Unlike Christianity, the difference between different sects of Islam is not in the principles of Islam but in the implementation and politics of Islam (things like who is most suitable to rule or make the new laws); all Muslims agree on the pillars of Islam. The differences between Shia and Sunni is far far far les than the differences between Catholics and Protestants, or other Christian sects like the Church of England; where one believes that Jesus was the son of God and another believe he was not; and another believes that the king/Queen is the head of the church and can change the God’s law as he/she wishes!
As for the Wahabbis they are only less than 20 millions out of 1.6 billion Muslims. In the real world let’s say even if 50 to 100 million of these 1.6 billion do not agree with the rest, the remaining 1.5 billion still can unite and let the remaining minority make their mind latter. I am shia but at least 25% of my family are Sunni, that is how close we are. Had you heard of the differences between the Shia and Sunnis before the Iraq war? LOL.. Divide and rule, but we are not that stupid! We live in the 21st century! Only Blair and Bush would buy that crap.

17 Lynne,USA 15/02/2008 20:45:11
I say death to America and Israel 5 times a day after each pray. Don’t you wish death to your enemies who have killed your brothers and sisters and invaded their lands and occupied their homes? You must be from another planet then! Did Scots give in to the English and did not fight for their freedom and independence? Why is it wrong when we do it then?
23

Kiumars,

15/02/2008 23:59:41
17 Lynne,USA 15/02/2008 20:45:11
The Cartoons is a very interesting Issue showing the double standards and hypocrisy! It is a crime to question the facts about the Holocaust in Europe (because they say it may offend a few million relatives of the dead!) but it is ok to insult 1.6 billion Muslims and have a fun! What do you think about the freedom of expression? Should it be selective or universal? LOL …
24

Kiumars,

16/02/2008 00:20:35
16 American,15/02/2008 20:23:35
I do not believe even for a second that you are really an American and that is why I answer you; We actually do not need to riot or set fire to anything! We should just boycott the Danish goods for at least 10 years; we all have the freedom of expression and freedom of insult and freedom of choice! That is why we are working on educating the Muslims to learn their rights! Even if Saudi or UAE regimes pack the refrigerators with Danish Butter they cannot make the people to buy them! We will win if we use our heads, I am sure. Don't you think so?
25

Lynne,

USA 16/02/2008 00:50:18
#22..Kiumars
I do know that cartoons depicting Jews in a very bad light happens all the time in your country. Yet we do not scream, death to Iran every Friday.
I do know that your country invaded American soil and took over an American Embassy in 1979 with no provocation from the Americans.
I do know that your country is arming,and financing militias, and training them, and sending in suicide bombers into Iraq to kill American soldiers.
Yet, we are still not out on Fridays screaming Death to Iran.
I do know that Armadinejad is nuts. If he honestly believes that he can pass off that garbage about Iran using nuclear power for peace.
I do know that Ahmadienjad looks forward to ushering Armaggedan...because he has told us so.
I do know that he want to extend a caliphate across the middle east...because he told us so. His plans for Iraq would be that he wants to make Baghdad a military training center because he has told the world this.
I do know he wants Iran to be like Persia WAS. As large and vast and with the glory of the old days..because, yet again he has told the world this.
I do know that he comes to the UN, says one thing and goes back to Iran and says another.

I do know, that most people in the US are fully aware of all of this..and we still do not want to invade Iran. Why? Because we have said over and over..dialogue and diplomacy.
And we still don't scream Death to Iran.
That's the difference between a civilized society with newspapers that can print anything (unless libel) with responsibility, and anyone can run for office. No one is taken off the "ticket" because he is a reformer, or moderate. No one is jailed for being the victim of a rape.
26

Kiumars,

16/02/2008 10:45:43
25 Lynne,USA 16/02/2008 00:50:18
You seem to know everything! But as they say; little knowledge is dangerous.
1. You do scream Death to Iran but you say it in different words “ Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” as McCain song it and we all heard it! You never said Death to Iraq or Afghanistan either but that is what you took to Iraq and Afghanistan and killed millions and destroyed the countries. And that is why we call you people “Liars and Evils”.
2. The USA Embassy in Tehran was the place where the 1953 coup was plotting and executing; it had to be taken and burned down to clean the smell of the dirty American spies who lived there for years under the cover of diplomats.
3. USA is also arming and financing different terrorist groups all over the world! As a matter of fact USA is the biggest sponsor of terror and terrorists in the world and harbors terrorist on its soil! MKO is currently the closest friend of the USA and they are at the same time on the terrorist list! You need more evidence on the hypocrisy of the America?
4. It is the duty and a great honor to kill the invaders of your country, American soldiers are invaders and get what they deserve. Wouldn’t you kill me if I invaded your country and raped and killed your people? You people are really hypocrites!
5. I personally am a supporter of the Nuclear Bomb and I believe as our enemies (USA, UK, and Israel) have them then we must have them too. We cannot fight on equal grounds if we do not have the same weapons. We sit on over $100 trillion oil and Gas reserves and thieves like USA and UK want to rob us and we must defend our country and our wealth even if we have to kill all of the thieves. This is not an option; it is our duty to our coming generations if we want them to live free.
6. The Caliphate is not only for the Middle East, it is to cover all Muslim countries of the world and 1.6 billion Muslims.
7. Baghdad is already a militia training centre, thanks to the stupidity of our enemies.
8.
27

Kiumars,

16/02/2008 10:46:51
8. Your press and politicians are owned by big cooperates and wealthy individuals, if you do not know this then you must be really thick!
9. As for the Justice in the USA; thanks to the internet we all can see what is really happeing in that country just search the web for crimes and corruption in the USA and you will get several million hits! Chicago police in particular seem to come top of the list for killing people in front of the camera in day light! Running drugs and even robbing banks! LOL .. So please spare me with this rubbish as how good and fair and democratic the USA is because it is not!

Your bragging about the freedom and quality of the press in the USA is laughable! As for the freedom of individuals and human rights in the USA; you must be from a different planet if you have not heard of secret prisons and tortures in the USA!

The bottom line is that you and I are enemies and the reason we are enemies is because we have irresolvable difference of opinions. As I previously said I am a supporter of the Iranian resident and will stand by him all the way, and I am sure the goalpost will be moved further as we go along. Why is it right for the USA to want to be imperialist but it is wrong for us? The moral of the story is that in this world you are either a hunter or a hunt; and I prefer to be the hunter.
28

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 15:46:51
There you go Lynne Daithi and the other cyberyids. Posts 26 and 27 gives you the other side of the argument and it doesnt sound all that different from yours. Kiumars fears are your fears Kiumars worries about the same things you do. He accuses you in the same language as you accuse him.
He thinks you support terrorism he thinks that because he sees millions of muslims being killed by Christians and Jews. He sees Jewish backed Christian armies on his doorstep bit like Israel seeing Muslim armies on theirs should he therefore advocate a Pre-emptive strike? or is that only possible when your bigger and more powerful?
He certainly has a point regarding the hypocricy doesnt he?
And the fact that the USA is definately the biggest sponser of international terrorism in the world lets face it they funded the IRA, Al Queda,The Mujahadeen,The Taleban, and numerous organisation throughout central and South America and Africa.
On top that they are the number 1 dealers in arms legal and illegal in the world.
Easy to see why he is so worried.
29

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 15:49:21
13

That would certainly explain a lot.
30

American,

16/02/2008 18:18:14
#24-Kiumars-Sorry, but I truly am an American, AND a Republican at that!! Sorry you feel the need to chant "death" to me, my family, and friends. And yes, you will win-but not by using your heads, but by putting fear into others that they will lose theirs. Also, you have the liberal media press on your side.
31

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 20:06:58
30

Why dont you very very carefully read his comments again and see if you can see more than the death threats this time. I thought he made some very poignant and valid points but obviously you missed them first time around like why he feels the need to chant death to you and your family.
32

Lynne,

USA 17/02/2008 01:39:28
American, 1..They will never win...liberal press or no liberal press. The US is not going to sit back anymore and allow attacks on this country without being answered...not unless it is Obama and Clinton, but I don't think even she would allow it. The fact her husband did and didn't answer all those attacks is why we had 9/11. And all of that was brought out in the Commission.
We have come too far and too long..to let Islamofacism take us over. It will never happen.

I used to be a Democrat..all through the Clinton years too..but before the 1st Bush presidency I became an independent.
33

Lynne,

USA 17/02/2008 01:57:35
F Off the CN..I always said "Point of view".
He can chant Death to America, and Death to Israel 8 times a day...so what?

It was ok when we were teaching Iranian pilots to fly the planes we sold them. It was ok to take hostages for 444 days..when it stared out as a university rebellion and people got carried away.

They should go and chant..who cares...they are insignifant words to Americans.

You will back anyone who hates the US..and Israel for that matter.

And thanks to the internet (because it works 2 ways)
we can see what happens over there too.
Take for example the razor blades they use on women for taking off lipstick. The minors they hang for various reasons, the young women they stone and hang,
the women they stoned in the middle of a soccer field.
The woman they want to hang for "witchcraft"!!
The fashion police who arrest women because they are not wearing headscarves, or too much hair is showing!!
The people they arrest..reformers and moderates.
I could go on and on..like having 4 male witnesses to a rape..(who I believe, that if they witnessed it, they were accomplices to it).
Like all the muslims killing American soldiers..
Like I said..POINT OF VIEW.

Just remember we didn't ask for 9/11...but we certainly are not going to let it happen again...and the goal posts get further away.
34

Dáithí,

San Jose 17/02/2008 06:53:29
#22 - Kuimars

>"Did Scots give in to the English and did not fight for their freedom and independence? Why is it wrong when we do it then?"

So you're trying to compare Islamic Fundamentalists that look for women with 'Down's Syndrome' to attach bombs to and send them into crowds of civilians - with Scotland's wars of Independence?

Are you under the impression that this comparison is not offensive to Scots?

Then you claim that you have a right to kill cartoonists that offend you - in a newspaper of a country that feels that everyone has the freedom to say and print their opinions fairly and equally?

You might entertain the possibility that you aren't quite the 'fit' that you believe yourself to be here.
35

britfree,

anti camp 19/02/2008 01:34:24
lynne , daffy ,et al. i take it, you dont think people should chant, death to amerikkka/zionism ? im actually doing it now while i type. people who see a moral equivalence between iran and amerikkka ,ie they are all as bad as each other.are obviously ignorant of the supremely malignant nature of the amerikkkan imperium as opposed to the RELITIVELY benign nature of the historically pacific iranians.
36

britfree,

actually in scotland 19/02/2008 01:45:41
daffy knows NOTHING about the history of either SCOTLAND or IRELAND. whether or not kumars is right or wrong in his usage of scottish history as an exampler for his point .daffy could enlighten him not, even to the power of a guttering candle.these are subjects best left to scholars not the romantic tootlings of an overseas "heritage" nut
37

Fanling,

China 19/02/2008 12:10:47
After a long workday, reading this thread reduces me to total exhaustion. Where's a suicide bummer when you need one? Dinnerjacket in Bughdud is waiting.
38

thewitness,

12/03/2008 03:38:57
#32 Lynne, (Supporter of the 9/11 gang.)

You said..."The fact her husband did and didn't answer all those attacks is why we had 9/11"

No, we had 9/11 because a fat glutton hiding in a hospital in Israel (and other Zionist terrorists) decided to use their crime network to fly non-commercial aircraft/drones by remote control into 2 skyscrapers, then blow them up.

 

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