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Freedom fight is family affair for Khomeini's granddaughter



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Published Date: 13 March 2008
ALTHOUGH she is the granddaughter of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the 1979 Islamic revolution, Zahra Eshraghi has long been a prominent leader of reformists seeking to liberalise Iran.
She wants to break the hard-liners' lock on power and says the former reformist president Mohammad Khatami must, therefore, run against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when he comes up for re-election in 2009.

"The only way to save the country is for Kha
tami to run next year in presidential elections. He is the only one who will defeat Ahmadinejad," she said.

She was speaking ahead of tomorrow's parliamentary elections that Mr Ahmadinejad's allies and other conservatives are expected to win, maintaining their hold on the legislature. The opposition has been crippled in the race after the clerical leadership disqualified 1,700 candidates, most of them reformists.

Mr Khatami has said in the past that he has no desire to return to the presidency, which he held from 1997 to 2005. But he remains the reform movement's most charismatic figure and is under pressure to run.

He has been campaigning for the reformists' slate of little-known parliamentary candidates, giving speeches that have drawn crowds of thousands.

To westerners, Ms Eshraghi may seem an unusual figure to be in the reform movement's ranks. Her grandfather brought the idea of "velayat-e-faqih" – rule by Islamic clerics – into reality in 1979. In the system that has evolved since then, the powers of unelected clerics, headed by the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, trump those of the elected government. They can overrule laws and bar from elections any candidate seen as insufficiently adhering to the Islamic republic system.

Ahmadinejad allies and other conservatives are running in the election as "Usulgerayan" – Farsi for "principlists", touting their loyalty to the principles of Ayatollah Khomeini's revolution.

Ms Eshraghi says hard-liners have hijacked the revolution, which she says was meant to bring freedom to Iran. "This is totally against the goals of the revolution and contrary to the views of Imam Khomeini," she said. "With this trend, nothing remains of the republic. And they have left nothing of freedom."

Ms Eshraghi, who is married to Mr Khatami's younger brother Mohammad Reza, himself a senior reformist leader, said that, because of the disqualification of candidates, she did not think there would be even a powerful minority bloc of reformists in the next parliament.

But she claimed the hard-liners would fail in the long term. "In this era of communications and flow of information, the young generation won't accept that few hard-liners decide their fate," she said.

Her husband has said Ayatollah Khamenei – Khomeini's successor – should not act as if his authority is absolute, a rare public criticism of the supreme leader that could have got him arrested.

As far as the Ahmadinejad camp is concerned, even the family of Ayatollah Khomeini has not been immune from their rhetoric. Ms Eshraghi's brother, Ali, sought to run in tomorrow's elections but was among those disqualified. He was later reinstated, however he decided to drop out of the race to preserve Khomeini dignity after hard-liners began to criticise his family.

Hard-line media and websites unleashed a wave of anger last month against Mr Eshraghi's cousin Hasan Khomeini after he criticised the head of the Revolutionary Guards for a speech seen as backing Ahmadinejad's camp in the election.

Some of the attacks went after his integrity, accusing Mr Khomeini – who is caretaker of his grandfather's sprawling tomb complex on Tehran's outskirts – of taking gifts from reformers. More moderate conservatives went to his defence, and the editor of one of the websites was jailed for insulting the Khomeini family.

Ms Eshraghi was in the reformist camp long before Mr Ahmadinejad came to power, as an advocate for women's rights and an influential party figure during the reformists' stint in power.

Mr Khatami was swept into the presidency by a landslide in 1997 elections. Three years later, reformists swept elections to take over parliament, and the younger Khatami brother became deputy speaker.

That marked the reformists' brief heyday. They were able to bring a more liberal atmosphere, loosening Islamic restrictions on women's dress, music and other social activities.

But hard-liners, backed by the clerical leadership, blocked concrete political change. In 2004, most reformist lawmakers were barred from running for re- election, and hard-liners took over. A year later, Mr Khatami had to step down because of term limits, and Mr Ahmadinejad won the presidential vote.

Mr Khatami is now eligible to run again. A respected cleric, he would be difficult to disqualify from standing. But some reform supporters see him as tainted by the failures of his government, saying he was too hesitant to push hard for change.

IRANIAN POLICE CHIEF ARRESTED IN BROTHEL TO BE TRIED IN SECRET

TEHRAN'S police chief, who led a sweeping crackdown on "immorality", has been forced to resign after being caught in a brothel with six naked prostitutes, according to reports from Iran.

Reza Zarei was arrested three weeks ago, released on bail and is to be tried in secret after tomorrow's parliamentary elections in Iran, unofficial Iranian websites said.

The country's official media have been banned from reporting the scandal which is highly embarrassing for the Islamic Republic. Tehran likes to portray prostitution and other social vices as ills that afflict mainly western societies.

But the purported reason for Zarei's resignation has become a key topic of gossip in tea houses, coffee shops and on the internet, Iranian reporters told The Scotsman.

Zarei has been a household name in Tehran since last April when he launched the capital city's toughest moral crackdown in years. Aiming to "elevate security in society", he targeted women who flouted the strict Islamic dress code and ordered raids on underground parties.

He declared in September that snooker halls and cafés were in his cross hairs because they were "one of the main grounds for social and ethical crimes".

At the time he boasted that 5,700 people, including 1,400 men, had been sent to "guidance classes" on how to behave in society.





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  • Last Updated: 12 March 2008 10:44 PM
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13/03/2008 01:10:53
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Fanling,

Guangdong 13/03/2008 01:39:05
#1
Your "endorsement" above is symptomatic of the rest of your venomous posts on these boards. Go take your fanatical Islam to the Middle East where you might have an equally sick appreciative audience instead of faking a place of residence in Scotland. Scum.
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W Smith,

Middle East 13/03/2008 02:01:58
#1
In Iran, women who have been raped are considered 'adulterers' and are frequently stoned to death while Alex Salmond says "the Islamic faith is one of the world's great religions".

The SNP were keen to demonstrate outside the American Consulate in Edinburgh as they think the 'freedom fighters' in Guatanamo Bay are being tortured - while the same SNP remain silent on the atrocities committed in Iran.

Then of course there is the SNP's Osama Saeed who refuses to cooperate with Special Branch and urged others to resist Special Branch 'tyranny' at Dundee University.

How many New Yorkers know that Salmond is sharing the same political bed as the anti-american muslim communitiy in the UK?

Do you think they know he goes on demonstrations with communists like Kate Hudson (CND) and Lyndsey German (Stop the War Coalition)?

Salmond will probably keep quiet about this in his visit to the USA for Tartan Week.

Just as well.




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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 02:24:56
crazy anti s n p comments mixed with barely disguised anti arab hatred . you need help saddo
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13/03/2008 02:30:29
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13/03/2008 03:04:30
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Imelda,

13/03/2008 06:22:23
5
brainless

Hey you buffoon, why the “guandong too” in your location panel? You’re definitely not from Guangdong. You couldn't even spell it correctly! Keep pretending and making a fool, inventing your identity as a Scottish. Can you speak Mandarin (Chinese language)? Certainly you can’t. But I know you can recite Koranic verses. Like what Odin said, Muslims pray with their bum high up in the air. How many times do you have your bum up in the air, brainless? Fanling and I will not be taken in by the stupidity and spin of your lies and fanatical Islam.
8

Imelda,

13/03/2008 06:23:41
6
Fanling

Well said. I don’t want any Islamic fanatics either in my country.
9

Conan,

Chile 13/03/2008 06:32:53
The story says he was 'caught in a brothel with six naked prostitutes' ..... now that's the guy you want to party with!
10

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/03/2008 07:48:04
May God protect us from those who believe in God.
11

Kate,

Zurich 13/03/2008 08:06:28
#3 W. Smith, if it were not for the extremist zealots, Islam would be one of the world's great religions! But there are zealots in every religion, think of the crusades...

Ms. Eshraghi is extremely brave for speaking out. Good luck to her, her husband and Mr. Khatemi.
12

clarry,

13/03/2008 08:13:34

Aye think some of the females, can sort some of the issues out with reasonable male support. Always know that it the case. Local females for local issues.

Up the muslins. Down the racist facists.

Reza Zarei - Eliot Spitzer these poor easily led victims being brought down by the girls. 'Brain dead' hypocrites.

W. Smith

Still praying for you. Doesn't seem to be working. Seems you might be a lost cause. Just like your point of view.

10 Rules

Never thought we would agree on something!!
13

Infidel,

Dar ul harb 13/03/2008 10:46:14
Kate 11:
"if it were not for the extremist zealots, Islam would be one of the world's great religions!"

Read the Qu'ran. It preaches hate and death to unbelievers and expressly tells its followers to use violence to spread the faith, the "extremist zealots" are just doing what their holy book tells them to. Such is the nature of Islam that it will always breed "extremist zealots". They are an integral part of Islam, as is Jihad - holy war. Stop thinking of Islam as a religion, and start thinking of it as a personality cult centred on a 7th century Hitler, and bent on world domination.

Yes there are "extremist zealots" in most religions, but not all (ever met an extremist Quaker?). But why are there so many more in Islam, and why are they so murderous? The answers are in the Qu'ran.
14

Kate,

Zurich 13/03/2008 11:02:56
#13, Infidel, I have read the Koran...

Christianity has its extremists as well, Judaism persecutes Palestine...need I go on?
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britsout,

in imeldas fold-down 13/03/2008 11:06:59
not muslim , have not got the admirable self discipline of the devout . would prefer an ayatollah to an imelda though . why these maddies think britfree isnt scots i can never work out , as if their opinion could ever mean anything though. dont care what england does or thinks about anything, smithy. their all like you anyways, bigots with no education .
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Fanling,

Guangdong 13/03/2008 12:03:16
#8 Imelda

Thanks for your response. I didn't see the post that has been removed #6, but I'm guessing it was from the zealot Britnut, whose shouted non-contributions here pretty well sum up his irrational hatred.

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Imelda,

13/03/2008 12:15:05
15
brainless in tin-foil hat

Not Muslim really? Some posters treat you as a playful joker who cannot be taken seriously. Nonetheless you do dream of Israel turning into an Islamic Republic! That's what you posted in the other thread and here, showing off your preference for an ayatollah. So whose words should we believe? Definitely not you, least of all at where you stay. Continue to play around and have fun!
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Imelda,

13/03/2008 12:20:45
16
Fanling

Yep, the zealot brainless and Islamofascists have problems with accepting the truth of their fanatical Islam. You see, truth hurts!!!!!
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 12:40:56
nope not mine imelda sorry. iv'e never said i wished for an islamic anything . certainly not palestine . you post this nonsense which is so easily refuted why ? my preference so often expressed on this board is for a secular inclusive palestine based upon the the pre-theft borders . if any zionist apologist wishes to come over to my position hurrah. thereafter we can have the extremists jewish and arab as mutual enemies. until then i support the rightful owners of the whole of palestine in attempting to liberate their land from an evil ideology
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 12:49:17
sorry 5 i think WAS mine it was just telling dragonhead or whatever phoney chinese handle he is using on this board i thought it was sad that he lived in a tiny bed-sit above a chinese take-away and he thinks hes in china. deleters are so pathetic anyway i certainly dont fear anything YOU could post
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13/03/2008 13:09:48
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 13:25:21
doreen..... but six ?, i mean all that policing must give a body stamina . what indefatigability as george might say
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 13:30:10
#22 - Suck McC

>"sorry 5 i think WAS mine it was just telling dragonhead or whatever phoney chinese handle he is using on this board "

Hahahah! This coming from a guy that was using a different name LAST WEEK?

Suck, you are only here to see how many people you can insult before you again get tossed and have to come up with another name, and you complain about others using phony 'handles'??

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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 14:16:54
oh no its that daffy again , what britfree/'s out are not openly acknowledged as the SAME poster ? it was a cookie sweeper that got rid of my sign in , you sad little pseudo irishman . first daffy i cant be insulted by the likes of yourself , i dont afford you enough esteem to care squat what you think about ANY subject never mind britfrees i d , as for this suck thing . i really think you should seek therapy , its becoming an obsession . until you mentioned him i had never even heard of "suck" . ha, i would never compare my member to a crunchie even a king size mars bar sells it short. sad wee daffy
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 14:29:07
#24 - Suck

Now it's a 'cookie sweeper' that got rid of your sign-in? Last week it was because your computer 'crashed' and making up a new login was easier than re-creating your old one.

Problem with making up a lie Suck is that you have to remember what it was.

What story will you make up tomorrow?
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 14:45:40
daffy son i said im not a techie , and of course i did have to re register . but WHATEVER, y'know britfree IS britsout . your still a DAFTY and im still worried about your sad wee suck thing
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 15:07:28
#26 - Suck

Today, Post #24 - "it was a cookie sweeper that got rid of my sign in..."

Wedensday, March 5th, Post #53 - "i crashed and lost everything ,had to to restore manually..."

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Rice-claims-peace-is-within.3842793.jp

The problem with posting under so many names to intentionally destroy conversation here on 'The Scotsman' is that you have to remember so many lies, Suck.

You're not very good at it, eh?
28

Black & White Triumph,

GreenhilL Road.....soon 13/03/2008 15:21:59
So an Iraqi Archbishop gets murdered in Iraq, check out ninemsn for corroboration.

kidnapped, then buried near Mosul, let me see would it be Bhuddists that did it.. no don't think so, what about Taoist's don't think so either, Christians doubt it, Hindu, unlikely, Jewish, nah, now who could it be, not those lovely muslim people surely not.
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Imelda,

13/03/2008 15:33:17
19
brainless


Come on, Lizard. Are you getting too “drunk” after having a bit of fun outside? I remember to have read somewhere about your wish for an Islamic Republic in Israel, definitely nothing like a secular one you are now talking of, but trying to change your story! However the recent removal of all posts in certain threads by the Administrator will make it difficult to locate your said post, which directly exposed your wish for an Islamic Republic in Israel. Right now, I can only find two posts to show you but they are not a direct answer.
Anyway, you do look very much forward to have Israel becomes a Muslim country and because the Palestinians are generally Muslims. Your preference for an ayatollah also speaks volume for it.
As it is, you can’t be taken seriously with an attitude of telling lies.
Did you read PJ remark of you? That is, you are suffering from some inferiority complex and hence, lost the ability to understand what going on outside your sad little world. Also oder said you are the stupidest of all! Very true.
Heck, don’t forget to pray with your bum high up in the air!
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 15:38:13
dafty my terminology may "suck" but thats just on computers . whatever you think your triumphant rabbit out of the hat proves ,ill leave you to savour it . BRITFREE in whatever manifestation is open about any subject , it seems to be just the zio-nuts who think identity of posters is a conspiracy. dont get so excited son you'll wet yoursel
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 15:46:19
#30 - Suck

>"whatever you think your triumphant rabbit out of the hat proves ,ill leave you to savour it ."

It is just good advice that I'm passing on, Suck. When you make up stories to cover the different troll name that you use here with the intent of destroying the comments section here on 'The Scotsman', make sure that you write the lie down so that you can repeat it correctly.

>"just the zio-nuts ..."

No, doesn't fit me, I've provided proof.

As for your anti-Jewish hatred, you might consider that if you actually worked at your job instead of posting all day in support of Islamofascists, your business might be a success also and you wouldn't have to resent Jews so much.
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 15:47:48
there is an islamic republic in iran as long as it remains anti zionist i support it . if it stops i'll tell you what i think (if i can be bothered) otherwise britfree has NEVER posted a single scrap supporting an islamic palestine . if i support hamas (i do) its because the fatah leadership have become traitors to their own people for yankkkkeee gold . as for the rest britfree says who cares what nutjobs think including whiffy
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 15:55:27
silly boy BRITFREE IS BRITSOUT, whos hiding what? you cant even follow the logic of the stupidness you throw around . i dont resent JEWS nitwit its ZIONISTS i despise , shelly is bringing my correspondence to sign in half an hour then i can go home to pick up my clubs. off tomorrow plenty time to get ready for the weekend
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 16:03:36
#33 - Suck

>"whos hiding what?"

You tell me - why do you have to keep making up different reasons for the name change?

>"there is an islamic republic in iran as long as it remains anti zionist i support it ."

So if Britain became an "Islamic Republic" and adopted Shira Law, you'd support doing that - as long as it was 'anti zionist'?

I think that the UK has a lot more to worry about with guys like you supporting 'anti-zionist' Islam, in any form, than it does from guys like me.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.
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Imelda,

13/03/2008 16:17:57
32, 33
brainless

More lies from you. You did post your desire for an Islamic Republic in Israel and now conveniently denied it. Your undying support for Hamas gives you away. Hamas wants a country to be run strictly according to Islamic laws and since you support Hamas, you also support an Islamic Republic. Only time will tell one day if it happens that Hamas becomes powerful over the Fatah. It is the Hamas leadership who is an obstacle to peace and has been killing their own fellow Fatah countrymen and its supporters.
Hey Lizard. Zionists consists mainly of Jews. So it can be said Zionists are also Jews. In other word, Daithi was correct. You resent Jews! Keep denying yourself but no one buys your lies!
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stoatsnest,

Ham 13/03/2008 16:22:22
I know nothing about Islam, except for the answer an Islamic friend gave me,'It means whatever you want it to mean'. By the look of the numerous churches-eg Christian Science, Scientologists, Mormons, Latter Day Saints, so do most religions.
I think you need to judge them by what they do.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 16:24:53
#35 - Imelda

You are right, he has stated (in post #32):

>"...an islamic republic in iran as long as it remains anti zionist i support it."

So, as you correctly stated, he is for 'anything', even Islamic states, as long as they are 'anti-Zionist'.

- Stoning women? OK with him, as long as the state is 'anti-Zionist'.

- Blowing up, crippling or killing British soldiers? OK with him, as long as it's done by an anti-Zionist state!

- Suicide bomb attacks on children's schools? OK with him, as long as it's done by an 'anti-Zionist' state.

When these guys get annoyed, they drop their phony 'pretense' and display their true beliefs and hatreds.
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Imelda,

13/03/2008 16:33:45
37
Dáithí

Hello, very smart of you to have caught the Lizard's ulterior motive, all for a bad cause. He keeps telling lies and leads a life of pretence/pretense. A real Jihadist apologist. No wonder oder called him the stupidest boy of all!
I wonder what he's up to now. Oh yep, praying with his bum high up in the air!
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 16:41:33
#38 - Imelda

I think the correct word is 'Troll'! ;)

I will point out one thing that I don't think he understands - it is possible to be Jewish and not be a 'Zionist', and be a 'Zionist' and not be Jewish.

Whenever these guys claim to be 'anti-Zionist', then eventually display their hate. In this case, he's pro any fundamentalist Islamic state - as long as they're 'anti-Zionist'.
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Imelda,

13/03/2008 16:51:18
39
Dáithí

Oh well, now we know exactly what this Troll brainless is after. That is, a desire for an Islamic Republic in Israel and the support of Islamic laws to enforce on non-Muslim believers there. Certainly, his (and other Jihadist apologists) motive of making good use of the word "anti-Zionist" is a plot to cover up his hate or just to avoid other posters from labelling him as Jew hater.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 16:52:16
#36 -

>"...except for the answer an Islamic friend gave me,'It means whatever you want it to mean'. "

Was he a Zen Islamist? ;)
42

Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 16:57:49
#40 - Imelda

>"motive of making good use of the word "anti-Zionist" is a plot to cover up his hate or just to avoid other posters from labelling him as Jew hater."

There are people that have perfectly honest, rational and fair concerns with the Israel-Palestinian situation.

Unfortunately for them, guys like Suck/bf/bo do them all a disservice when they take their hatred to the extreme.

Islamic fundamentalism would even be acceptable, as long as it's 'anti-Zionist' - I don't believe that even the most concerned 'anti-Zionist' would take this extreme position.

Perhaps I underestimated their hatred.
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britsout,

camelom 13/03/2008 17:15:30
the very devil himself as long as he is anti zionist
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britsout,

camelon 13/03/2008 17:18:58
bye now, driving range and then a curryhouse in glasgow. have fun
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Imelda,

13/03/2008 17:19:03
42
Dáithí

Yeah, it's very true how the intense hatred for Jews have turned the terrorist apologists to even consider supporting Islamic fundamentalism. This only emboldens the Islamic fanatics to carry on terrorism and killings. Nothing turns out good in the end. That is stupid. They try all ways to find faults and blame the Jews for everything, if not create conspiracy theories.

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Imelda,

13/03/2008 17:24:43
43, 44
brainless

Ho, ho, ho, Lizard has turned into a devil and now flies out with a broom to curryhouse for a big meal!

47

Imelda,

13/03/2008 17:25:44
42
Dáithí

Night, night
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Memyself&I,

13/03/2008 17:35:41
Phew,..is he gone yet?

49

bill2,

13/03/2008 18:09:10
21 Doreen

You need to be more careful on who you call a troll.
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57Nomad,

california 13/03/2008 18:30:27
#14 Kate, Zurich

Kate said:

"Christianity has its extremists as well, Judaism persecutes Palestine...need I go on?"

Need you go on? Only if you have a point to make. Name one group of Christians who are encouraging suicide, the intentional murder of women and children, and are issuing a steady drumbeat of apocalyptic sermons from the pulpit labeling Muslims as pigs and monkeys.

Kate if you think for one second that anyone is going to buy into your casual description of moral equivalence think again. When was the last time the Methodists slaughtered the children in an elementary school to make a political point. When you are walking one way on the sidewalk and coming toward you are four or five Hasidic Jews, do you fear that one of them has a bomb under his hat? Do you see a priest driving by and think that just maybe he might be another one of those Jesuits with a car full of dynamite ready to blow up everybody in the lunch line?

Give us credit for trusting the evidence of our own senses. We have eyes, we have ears, and we know who the people are who wish to convert others by offering them the choice of conversion or the sword. You may try to lump all religions together, especially in the context of modern history, and say 'if one religion does it then all religions bear the guilt.'

That is not true. Radical Islam is the root cause of the trouble, not Israel, not the US, radical Islam. That is the present threat. You can't wish this away, Kate. The war is forced upon us. You don't have the option of talking or fighting. You choice is this, fight or surrender. You may wish to quietly throw in the towel, we aren't going to and we will continue the fight until the threat is eliminated.
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13/03/2008 18:55:04
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13/03/2008 19:06:07
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John Blackley,

Florida 13/03/2008 19:55:52
$50 57Nomad: Stop it. It really causes me pain when I agree with the gist of what you say.
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Infidel,

Dar ul harb 13/03/2008 20:00:02
Bravo 57Nomad (post #50)! People like Kate just cannot seem to grasp that whilst most religions produce extremists, Islam produces more than all the others combined. And it is a direct result of what Islam actually teaches. ("Slay the unbelievers" and all that stuff). Islam's "extremists" are just true believers doing what they are told to do by their holy book. They really should not be seen as "extremists" at all, just true Mohammedans. Besides, if Islam is essentially good, then why is it that the more "extreme" its followers get, the worse they become? They should get better - extreme believers should be extremely good!

Check out www.thereligionofpeace.com for proof (as if it were needed) about what Islam is about. And, like you, I shall not throw in the towel but will keep up the fight as long as I am able.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 20:26:39
#53 - John Blackley

>"$50 57Nomad: Stop it. It really causes me pain when I agree with the gist of what you say."

Ha! It shouldn't, these are simple truths. As Nomad says, "Radical Islam is the root cause of the trouble, not Israel, not the US, radical Islam. That is the present threat."

The deniers really don't disagree with this, the difference is that they view 'Radical Islam', and the instability that it could generate, as a tool to further their own political agendas.

They feels as if they can use it (radical Islam) to their advantage for a wee bit to overthrow:

- the US;
- UK;
- Democracy;
- Israel;
- Capitalism;
- Jews;
- working for a living ('wage slavery');

or whatever their lame cause is, then magically 'turn off' radical Islam once it's served their purpose, ie, the destabilization necessary for these 'pocket revolutionaries' to secure power.

How? Well, they really haven't thought that part thru yet. Most of them believe appeasement will work, it just hasn't been tried yet. Leave radical Islam alone, it will leave them alone.

These appeasers will be in for a bit of a shock when it fails. Oh my, they'll cry - but we promise to be nice!!

Then there are the plain ol' begrudgers, who will even accept Radical Islam, as long as Americans, Brits, Democracies, Capitalists, employed people and Jews are 'dealt with'.

These begrudgers and haters remind me a bit of a line that I heard concerning Ireland's neutrality during WWII:

"The Irish would line up the whole world to go thru the gas chambers and ovens, as long as the English were first in line"

Same thinking here.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 20:30:18
Follow-up

When we see the statements like "even the devil" that Suck McCrunchie/bo/bf say, we have to remember that there is also a bit of a 'contest' out there -

the contest to see who can claim the title of 'the most radical', the 'most extreme', etc.

What the result is really the 'most bitter'.
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Conan,

13/03/2008 20:51:30
'Ms Eshraghi says hard-liners have hijacked the revolution, which she says was meant to bring freedom to Iran.'. Really. I happen to be old enought to have actually lived in Iran before the Shah was removed and before the 'Ayatolla' returned.

I can tell you that Iran, then, was a generaly happy place and freedom was widespread. The country was on an excellent trajectory of development in all aspects of its life.

Yes, there was an effort made to quell and limit the influence of the retarded 'mullahs' and a great effort made to counter the Russian-supported communist presence - and in all of that no doubt excesses were carried out.

But, for had the Shah remained in power the lot of 98% of the Iranian people would definitely have been FAR BETTER over these intervening years and their future would have been downright rosey.

But, that's not what some who post here - who mostly lack any form of actual direct experience or knowledge of what they talk about - wish to hear and proclaim.

It is A FACT that the entire nation of Iran HAS BEEN hijacked all these several decades by a bunch of backward-thinking fools from the ninth century who would have women as chattel and interfere with absolutely every aspect of everyone's private affairs.

I would challenge anyone who actually thinks the current system in Iran (or in any other retarded 'mullah'-run society) to go and live there for a few years and then check back with us with your experiences. Assuming you would last the first few days?
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Dáithí,

San Jose 13/03/2008 20:59:03
#58

>"I would challenge anyone who actually thinks the current system in Iran (or in any other retarded 'mullah'-run society) to go and live there for a few years and then check back with us with your experiences."

I doubt that you'll have any takers, Conan! ;)

Their apologists here don't want to live like that - no,no, noooo! They just want to use them as tools to help them achieve their anti-US,UK,Democracy,Capitalistic/Jewish/'wage-slavery' goal.

In fact, I'm guessing that they'll post little more on this thread, preferring the 'offensive' instead of the 'defensive'.

Too many 'inconvenient truths' here.
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Paloma negra,

13/03/2008 21:11:09
Fascinating.

Many Iranian girls enter prostituion due to being ostracised by their families during their rebellious teenage years.
They find themselves homeless ... on the streets of Tehran and other Iranian cities and become easy prey for pimps.

If this granddaughter of the cleric is serious about reform
... good for her.
People forget that it is easier for Western women from Christian / or Jewish societies to rebel.

Women in Muslim countries have to be very determined and strong willed to fight the system / stand up for equal rights and equal treatment under the law.

Good luck to this woman
... I wish her success
... and hope she wins.
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Amparo de Glasgow,

13/03/2008 22:25:43
#59
Paloma ...
Yea ...
Well said.
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Michael F. Moore,

13/03/2008 22:51:06
59 & 60

FH Trolls using different names.
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Itchy,

13/03/2008 22:54:17
#1 Stalin was anti-American. You presumably endorse him as well.

You also presumably endorse Iran's anti-freedom government and human rights abuses just because they stick two fingers up at America.
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britfreee,

13/03/2008 23:15:05
51

Troll
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Night_Worker,

St Enoch Centre 14/03/2008 00:11:05
#65 you must worship Siva now you like bill is acting like you are trolling youself you must be on his team to be a problem here i bet you like the boss troll djookers
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14/03/2008 00:15:01
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Amparo de Glasgow,

14/03/2008 11:10:51
It is amazing how when people oan these here wee strands huvnae goat a Scoob as in
... how to respond
... when their wee brains cannae cope
... their first response
... is label someone a troll

... get a life or live in the real world numpties.
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britsout,

camelon 14/03/2008 13:18:27
63 #fakey in the hoose , brit freee (too many eeeee's )marvellous its a great honour sir. hope he can handle the heat this soubriquet ( britfree kinda word ) will bring down upon his head , britsout wishes you all the best with your stolen handle . strange fruit indeed !
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Imelda,

14/03/2008 13:24:45
50
57Nomad

Excellent post. Kate claimed to have read the Koran but that’s all rubbish! She is so ignorant, not knowing her “peaceful Islam” preaches extremism. Fortunately, Infidel came along with great posts at #13 and #54 to spill the beans. The truth certainly hurts the Islamofascists.
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britsout,

camelon 14/03/2008 13:43:17
imelda you make me laugh, ta very much for your humourous posts , all the others on this thread take these subjects far too seriously . its nice too see someone puncture their anger with deliberately silly nonsense posts keep up the good work and remember we're laughing with you not at you
73

Imelda,

14/03/2008 13:56:49
72
brainless

I'm glad I can make you laugh. Hey, you got a friend named Kate but she's a nitwit, knows nothing, yet pretend to be smart!
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57Nomad,

15/03/2008 08:18:15
#52 Wally

Wally said:

"bill2 is NOT a troll, he is a valuable and well respected poster unlike people like yourself who run around calling people names."

Calling people names? This comes from Wally? Let's see. Oh yeah, I remember. Are you the same Wally who used to refer to me as a Nazi? I think you are. Neo-con warmonger? Wally you got a lot of nerve calling someone else a name caller.


 

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