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Weekend of carnage on roads leaves six dead



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Published Date: 28 July 2008
WITNESSES have described the moment a pick-up truck and a car collided on the A9, causing a fireball that left four dead, including a two-year-old boy.
The accident was one of several in a weekend of carnage on Scotland's roads that claimed six lives.

Ben Hayes, 34, was travelling north on the A9 when he saw the pick-up swerving near the Slochd summit north of Aviemore on Saturday afternoon.
He said the southbound pick-up moved across the carriageway slowly, "as if the driver had fallen asleep".

"It hit the car behind us head-on," he said. "I saw it in the mirror. It burst into flames. It didn't look like anybody would be walking away from it."

Another witness added: "It is a miracle anyone survived. Both vehicles were welded together by the heat. It was impossible to tell what make of pick-up truck was involved.

"It ended up on top of the Volvo. They were both white, burnt-out shells."

Northern Constabulary said yesterday it may take several days to identify the victims, and DNA or dental checks might be needed.

Another woman and a four-year-old girl who were in the car were pulled to safety by passers-by and taken to Raigmore Hospital in Inverness.

The occupants of the Volvo were believed to be Dutch. The survivors' conditions were last night described as stable. A number of dogs in the pick-up truck also died, police said.

An hour after the fatal A9 fireball, an 83-year-old woman died after crashing near Alcaig, in the Black Isle.

Adding to the weekend's road carnage, a man was killed and several others injured in a crash on the A82 at Luss near Loch Lomond around 6:20am yesterday. The man who died was in a people carrier which had eight people on board.

Saturday's crash on the A9 brings the death toll on the 112-mile Perth-Inverness road to ten in just seven weeks as government officials prepare their framework for improving the nation's road infrastructure.

The accident happened just south of a stretch of dual carriageway. Campaigners say that dualling the entire route – which saw 82 fatalities between 2000 and 2004 – would save dozens of lives. Just 26 per cent of the A9 is currently dual carriageway.

Murdo Fraser, MSP, deputy Scottish Conservative leader, said statistics showed accidents were four times more likely on stretches of the A9 that were single carriageway.

He said: "The death toll continues to mount on Scotland's most dangerous trunk road. It is clear that, while dualling the road will never eliminate serious or fatal accidents altogether, it could substantially reduce them."

The SNP pledged to dual the entire A9 after it was elected to power last May.

A Scottish Government spokesman said its Strategic Transport Projects Review report shortly to ministers with options for Scotland's roads network, including the dualling of the A9.

• A nine-year-old boy from Glasgow was in a critical condition in hospital last night after a crash on the A81 Glasgow to Callander road near Ballat Crossroads at about 2:30pm yesterday. Three other people, including his mother, were injured in the crash, which involved a Volvo estate and a Vauxhall Corsa.





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rogerB,

Kowloon 28/07/2008 04:16:41
Have you no respect for what seems in the A9 case, to have involved Dutch tourists and a person driving with dogs in a pick up truck, perhaps hard working and over tired. The drivers were unlikely to have been driving in an extreme fashion. Most likely the A9 caused this, now common, tradgedy. I am sure the police have painstakingly explained various solutions to Government for 20 years or more and will have to do so for a lot longer too. The loss of life is awful but so too is the trauma and stress pressed on the crews that have to deal with the accident. I cannot imagine that nor how the families who have suffered loss now feel.
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Vincent-W,

28/07/2008 06:42:04
Nearly 300 people die each year on Scotlands roads and another 3000 seriously injured (1000 of these casualties were child pedestrians) - if that happened on the railways then the media would be baying for blood.

Linskail - you are an idiot, your analysis is superficial, peurile and insulting to many victims
5

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 28/07/2008 07:09:26
"Murdo Fraser, MSP, deputy Scottish Conservative leader, said statistics showed accidents were four times more likely on stretches of the A9 that were single carriageway."

Mr Fraser, how many people were dying as a result of Edinburgh's lack of trams, which you helped force through instead of allowing the SNP to spend the money on dualling the entire A9?
6

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 07:16:04
That's the second fatal RTA on the A82 Fort William to Glasgow road in the last few days. Should it be dualled too?
7

rpb,

28/07/2008 07:18:49
No 5. Do you actually use the A9 frequently? Apart from in the summer it is fairly empty.
If lorries/caravans/horse boxes & the 40mph brigade were legally forced to use laybys to let faster traffic past (like in Switzerland) then most of the lunatic overtaking borne out of frustration would cease.

At what passes as a rush hour into the "city" of Inverness the section from the south into Inverness is more or less deserted.

I do not want the SNP spending MY money on completely dualling a road that is no way near capacity.

The trams point is moronic. You could have said the SNP didn't hear about lots of Glasgow deaths that will be saved by continuing Labour's idea of building more M74 through Glasgow


8

SouthernSkye,

28/07/2008 07:23:09
Where it is physical possible (local terrain taken into account) all the main arterial routes North of Gla/Edi should be ear-marked for dualling.
Starting with the A9.
Perhaps, at the same time, enhance the railway network to carry freight therefore removing a large percentage of the lorries from the roads and having local distribution hubs (when I was younger they were known as freight terminals!) from which the lorries can collect and deliver within a reasonable radius of final destination.
My thoughts are with the families of all those who perished on our roads.
9

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 28/07/2008 07:43:48
#7 Please explain to us exactly how you would enforce a law ordering "the 40mph brigade" to pull over and let faster traffic pass. How often would they have to pull over? For how long? Who would set the "minimum acceptable speed"? Would it be the same all along the 122 miles of the road? Would it vary with weather conditions?

If a police radar camera caught a driver going too slow and holding up everyone else, what would they do? Jump into their car and mount a high-speed pursuit, along an already-dangerous single-carriageway road, until they caught the perpetrator and made him pull over?

Have you ANY idea how ludicrous you sound?
10

conservative,

Fife 28/07/2008 07:51:12
Plenty of cash to improve the main road through Cornwall to help the tourist trade (not exactly many locals down there use it). As usual though no money available to improve Scotlands main artery. Isn't it a grand life subsidising the English?
11

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 28/07/2008 07:56:19
The Loch Lomond road was still closed at 6pm last night. That's twelve hours after the accident. As a result a vast frustrated Southbound convoy had to take the Calander detour; and Calander was clearing its annual Highland Show crowds! Miracle there were no more accidents. Surely carnage can/should be cleared more rapidly?

I agree that we are wrong to blame the roads. A road just sits there. It's drivers who abuse it. Proof? No accidents occur on empty roads.
12

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 08:01:48
No. 9

I have seen police pull over slow drivers (tractors etc) on the A9 before. Other coutries including (I think) Canada have laws relating to travelling x number of miles with more than x numbers of vehicles behind you.

If there were more long lay-bys and more than the one sign at the Perth / Highland boundary advising people to allow overtaking - indeed telling people they were obliged to pull over - things would improve. Put in average speed cameras and spend some money on junction improvements (Kingussie North and Pitlochry North and South)

As rpb says (no.7) traffic levels on the A9 do not begin to justify dualling - even in the summer. Dualling the A9 would consume the Scottish roads budget for a decade or more - evening the money out on other roads like the A82 (stretches of which carry similar levels of traffic to the A9) or indeed the A75, A77 etc would see a reduction in fatalities on these "notorious" roads too.
13

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 08:08:15
How many lives will be saved by the £600 million pounds M74 extention? Should that money be spent dualling the A82?
14

KitWilding,

SW England 28/07/2008 08:12:44
#10 Yes maybe A30 through Cornwall has been improved, but the main road from the SE to SW, the A303 faces the same problem as the A9. Sections of dual carriageway linking sections of single carriageway which are amassing a similar death toll, but as it is only in ones and twos unlike the A9 crashes, it does not warrant attention.
At least, in Scotland, you have the hope of dualling. We have not, because all dualling west of Stonehenge to Ilchester has been abandoned due to the Stonehenge fiasco. The Druids and the National Trust have a lot to answer for.

There have been a few rants about slow moving traffic. Are the HGVs sticking to their 40 mph National limit?
I doubt it, they are more likely to be travelling, when they can, at 50-60 mph. The current 60 mph limit is a maximum and it is stupid to suggest that all traffic should cruise at this speed regardless.
As others have rightly said, blaming the road is passing the blame. It is bad, impatient driving or not taking sufficient rest that causes accidents.
15

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 28/07/2008 08:13:42
#12 "I have seen police pull over slow drivers (tractors etc) on the A9 before. Other coutries including (I think) Canada have laws relating to travelling x number of miles with more than x numbers of vehicles behind you."

That doesn't explain how you enforce it. If the police are at the roadside with a speed camera and catch someone doing 39mph, how do they know he isn't going to pull over at the next available spot? All they can do is follow him to find out, an obviously difficult task since by definition he'll have a tailback of other cars behind him and it's a single carriageway. The number of police required to properly enforce such a law would be staggering. Pulling over the occasional tractor isn't going to cut it.
16

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 08:29:10
I don't know how you would enforce it - let's ask the Swiss. Increased police presence on any road - single carraigeway, dual carraigeway or motorway makes people drive better. Incidentally - the times I have seen it the police have been in the traffic, not on a speed trap, and because the traffic was moving slowly it wan't exactly as you said a "high speed pursuit". Do you think dualling this road should be the number one priority in Scotland for the next 15 years? Should the dualling stop at Inverness? The section to the north as far as Tain is very busy too especially in the morning and evening, much more so than the section south of Inverness, and is only dualled as far as Tore.
17

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 08:42:14
Why is it Scotland still lags behind in providing a modern transport infrastructure compared to England and Wales, and most other E.U. nations?

By 2010, the Irish National Roads Authority will have completed a network of European standard motorways and National(N) dual carriageway routes.

Meanwhile, the Central Scotland Motorway network, commenced in 1960, is still incomplete?

You don't hear many Irish jokes nowadays, do you?
18

Peter Manchester,

Manchester 28/07/2008 08:46:18
How can a road be dangerous, it never moves. When I learned to drive some fifty years ago, never drive faster than road conditions allow I was told. Have got to 67 and never had an accident. Todays standard of driving bothers me, look out I'm here springs to mind. However would I pass todays driving test???
19

Micropacer,

28/07/2008 08:53:06
Our transport infrastructure is abysml. Over 300,000 people in the North of this Country are connected by the A82, A9 and A96 - add to that Rail tracks that are ancient and slow!

Its not about capacity although I notice no one has put any figures up just wild assumptions - its about connecting Scotland together. The North is strangled economically by the bad links. It puts people both business and tourist off coming North.

Meanwhile the Central belt just keeps spending the cash on vanity projects like its going out of fashion.

We got more done up transport wise up here when the Tories were in power in Westminster - and thats a fact - maybe one people should think about!
20

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 09:02:52
No 19

I would question your assertion that the North "is strangled economically by the bad links". Inverness has doubled in size since the A9 was rebuilt 25 years ago. If you want to see economic strangulation visit West Coast communities served by the A82. Let's face it - the money isn't there to dual the A9 and rebuild the A82. Who loses out?
21

Green,

Dundee 28/07/2008 09:07:06
Rev. S. Campbell

What a naysayer. this is the system they have and works well in Ireland. You may be a bad driver, but most people manage to cope.
22

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 09:22:05
Works great in South Africa too - everyone complies and you always get a wave or a couple of blinks of the hazard-warning-lights.
23

Captainofedinburgh,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 09:24:10
I've never had the pleasure of driving on the A9, but by the sounds of it I don't really want to. 10 deaths in 7 weeks?! That's more than just poor driving that's causing these kinds of statistics. I drove back up from Newcastle last night on the A1. Another road that really must be dualled it's full length. Considering it's the main route between England & Scotland, having large sections of it as single carriageway road is crazy.
24

Spoot,

Third rock pool on the left 28/07/2008 09:24:50
#15

I suggest that you tke a caravan on single carriageway roads in Norway and allow a queue of traffic to build up behind you, then wait to see how quickly the police arrive on the scene to enforce the law.
25

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 28/07/2008 09:27:08
#16 "I don't know how you would enforce it - let's ask the Swiss."

Okay, go ahead then. Let me know what they say.
26

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 09:43:02
No. 25 You're the one who thinks it is "ludicrous" and yet it seems to work in other countries (Ireland and Norway have been mentioned too).

Do you think dualling the A9 is the number 1 transport priority in Scotland over the next 15 years?
27

Finnz,

North Sea 28/07/2008 09:47:09
The nature of the accident (head on collision) is what must be prevented as these usually end up with multiple fatalities. The simplest solution is to build a 3 lane road with the second, overtaking lane, being swapped every 2 miles or so. This means that no one vehicle would hold up traffic for more than 2 miles. It would also ensure that no overtaking would be possible until the 2 lane section. A lot cheaper than dueling the whole road.
28

ehlndh,

London 28/07/2008 09:47:56
Certainly dual the A9, for obvious reasons, and to allow people living along and off it to benefit.
But also dual the A1 along it's entire length. At present the stretch between Newcastle and Dunbar is mixed dual and singel carriageway. Frustration builds up behind slow traffic on the latter. People take risks and accidents occur. Signs by the roadside record numbers of accidents in a past time-period. These signs read almost like boasts. It's incredible that the road between the capitals of Scotland and England well into the first decade of the 21st century is not completely dual carriageway.
29

Finnz,

North Sea 28/07/2008 09:49:18
Here's what Wiki says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%2B1_road
30

Ardaz Nayles,

Borders 28/07/2008 09:50:14
I regularly drive up the A9 to see my family.

The non-dualled stretches between Perth and Inverness are the worst, especially those around Dunkeld, and Blair Atholl.

Re #14, I've never heard of HGVs being restricted to 40 mph, they regularly overtake me when I'm doing 60.
Coaches also frequently overtake, even though they're not meant to be doing more than 50.
31

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 28/07/2008 09:58:56
I use the A9 several times a week and, #7, it busy throughout the year.

There are several points:
When it was constructed, the volume of traffic was low - that volume, however, increased disproportionately as the route improved.

Many of the sightlines on bends, dips and at junctions were designed for a 50mph flow of traffic and are unsuitable for today's faster speeds.

Several of the overtaking areas - especially the laughable wee bit of dual carriageway at Crubenmore and the three-laning at Meadowside and Ralia - are far too short to let queues pass a slow vehicle (Tesco lorries frequently have tailbacks that are up to five times the length of the Crubenmore dual carriageway!).

Morrison's apparently cancelled the standing instructions to Safeway drivers that they should not allow a build-up of more than five vehicles behind their trucks (Safeway had also moved a lot of produce by rail).

Personally, I don't like dual carriageways - they simply turn a driver into another mechanical component and often allow concentration to wander - but there is a very good case for increasing the amount of dualling between Inverness and Perth and, espeially, making the existing junctions safer. I don't know if it had anything to do with Saturday's horrific crash but the Tomatin junction on the A9 at Slochd is far too close to the end/start of the dual carriageway and has virtually no acceleration/deceleration provision.
32

Down with everything,

28/07/2008 10:09:39
I have had a great deal of experience on this road and to my cost have had several speeding fines from it, usually as a result of passing the unmarked police people carrier following an overtaking move, took me a while to realise what was catching me.

Anyhoo, long story short, i decided to drive to Inverness without breaking the limit once. I sat at 55 all the way from Perth to Inverness.

I calculated that as i reached the last bit of dual before inverness, there was a convoy behind me made up of many tens of cars, vans, lorries, tourists etc and i witnessed some mad overtaking as we came to the end of many of the dual carrigeway sections.

The point to this ramble is that i have never felt in more danger sitting holding up the traffic.

Yet, i was breaking no law and probably doing more damage to stress levels and frustration than i would normally be by driving 60-80 when the road allowed.

strange world indeed.
33

lodger,

Highland 28/07/2008 10:11:47
I am fed up with reading the get-out line "there are no bad roads - only bad drivers". Much of the A9 road in the north was designed and constructed in the 1930s - The Great Depression years. We are still negotiating the tortuous bends and sub-standard width single carriageways that were made for lorries with 10 ton max loads. The traffic flows and the size of vehicles have increased far beyond what was originally envisaged when the roads were built.
Having worked in survey, design, construction and maintenance of highways all my life, I am totally convinced that there are bad roads and very bad roads.
Some bad roads were the result of faulty design criteria in the 60s.
When black spots were targetted and the roads reconstructed, the death and serious injury statistics spoke out loud and clearly that lives were being saved on those stretches.

We need huge amounts of investment on our main arterial routs if we are to reduce the human tragedies we see unfolding every day.
34

Wynn,

CLYDESDALE 28/07/2008 10:15:16
Bad road design perhaps, but bad driving...that's always with us.
Learners aren't taught to think ahead, to expect the worst of those around them, to assume the road ahead is badly designed and maintained and that the consideration they show to others will seldom be shown to them.
Some of the worst driving is done by buses, HGVs, man-in-white-van, delivery vehicles, family saloons and bikies....no category is excused.


35

jester,

Somewhere else 28/07/2008 10:18:08
I have driven on the A9 recently and found it not too bad, while some sections are frustrating it's a decent enough road. I was caught up in the traffic jams caused by the A82 crash yesterday. I saw tour buses trying to negotiate the Garelochead to Arrochar road with great difficulty, and a huge amount of diverted traffic in queues along the road. As a regular user of the A82 I would say that this road is the one which needs upgraded more (how old are the 'temporary' traffic lights now?).
36

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 28/07/2008 10:18:17
#26 Yes I do. But you're the one proposing the Swiss model, so the onus is on you to explain it. Otherwise you're just spouting uninformed drivel.
37

Jock E,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 10:23:56
10# re Cornwall & 17# re Irish Roads Authority.

I'm sick and tired of these anti English and pro Irish posts on almost any topic in these columns that try to show Scotland is badly treated. Ireland has one main Motorway and some offshoots and these are recent developments. Scotland has many more miles of motorway, some of questionable quality now, and and roads in the Highlands are significantly better than any in rural Ireland, especially in the west of that country, where the roads are dreadful.

There has been a concerted campaign in Northumberland for the A1 to dualled. Ministers responded by stating there is no priority for improvement. Yet this is the premier road between Scotland and England.

There is a need for all trunk roads to be of a minimum standard (al la Germany and many EU conutries) regardless of traffic statistics but the UK government has no vision and is pennywise, pound foolish with roads investment.
38

Scotland Uber Unionists,

28/07/2008 10:25:46
People blaming roads for accidents are like people blaming knives for deaths. It was driver error, whether he fell asleep or lost concentration, whatever, the road WAS NOT to blame.

39

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 10:26:17
No.33

Yes the A9 north of Clashmore/ Dornoch does still have some pretty poor sections (The A9 south of this was re-aligned and rebuilt and a cost of several hundred million £s 25 years ago).
40

KitWilding,

SW England 28/07/2008 10:32:06
#30. The speed limits on a single carriageway are 40 mph HGV:50 mph Coaches:60 mph other vehicles.

I assume you are talking about the A9, if so, if lorries and coaches are overtaking you when you are travelling at 60 mph, there cannot be problems in overtaking for cars passing other cars doing 40 - 50 mph!

Unfortunately large vehicles often now have the same performance as cars, but they still need the lower speed limits for stopping purposes.

This latest accident does not appear from current reports to involve overtaking, more like in-attention or worse.

I firmly believe that if their is a problem with large vehicles exceeding their speed limits by 10 - 20 mph, the police would be onto it.

A few years ago, every coach driver in this part of the country had a letter from the Chief Constable saying what would happen if they were caught on camera doing more than 50 mph on a single carriageway trunk road. It would not have been a case of a fixed penalty notice.

We seem to have an anomaly in these postings whereby a number of cars are only travelling at 40 mph whilst the HGVs and Coaches are doing 60+. I wonder what the truth is, probably about midway between the two!
41

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 10:38:24
No. 36
The police can stop you for "driving without due care and attention" they use their judgement and authority a bit more often and put up more signs to remind people to move over when required. As others have noted it works in other countries. The money saved could be used helping prevent deaths on other "notorious" roads.
42

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 10:40:51
No. 37

"There is a need for all trunk roads to be of a minimum standard". Exactly. All trunk roads.
43

Murdoch,

Fort William 28/07/2008 10:49:21
No. 35

The "temporary" traffic lights on the single track section on Loch Lomondside have been there for 30 years.
44

The Seer,

28/07/2008 11:01:38
I have travelled the A9 more times than I can recall and the road is dreadful at the best of times. If you are on it at the wrong time you will be stuck behind tractors, slow moving lorries and caravans. When you do get to infrequent overtaking lanes everyman and his dog tries to overtake and when people get stuck behind other cars which adds to the frustration. Something needs to be done. As other poster have mentioned the system to allow overtaking works in other countries and could be used here. The way to do so is ensure people obey it. A possible way to do it would be set up cameras at various points along the road that monitor slower moving traffic. When a tailback of a certain length builds up then a sign at the road side could alert the driver of the slow moving vehicle to use one of the lanes. A failure to do so should then result in a fine and/or points. But the simplest and best answer would be to upgrade the A9.
45

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 11:10:18
#3:

I agree entirely. It is a terrible tragedy when people get killed on the road but you cannot blame the road itself. The people who drive along it are to blame---like the pickup truck driver who may have been asleep.
46

Broddr,

28/07/2008 11:23:23
99.9% of all road traffic accidents are caused by one common denominator. The driver.

If people took more care and were a little less rash and arrogant on the roads then the accident numbers would drop.

People should pull over to let faster drivers past, how stupid is that?

I have said it before, something about getting behind the wheel of a car turns normally considerate, sensible people into idiots.

"Get out of my way, I am going 5mph faster than you! There should be a law to allow me past!"

Read between the lines of that and you get "I am more important than everyone else here, I should be allowed to make other people wait and move for me but I should never have to wait or move for anyone else! Ever!"

Wait, plan your moves and if you can't do it safely don't even try. Don't drive when you are tired, don't drive when you have had a drink (even one drink), don't drive when your are irritable or angry about something. Don't assume everyone should get out of your way. Expect mistakes, everyone makes them.

Be courteous, considerate and understanding.

It seems to me that most people on the roads are constantly fighting against something, be it a cyclist, a horse, a pedestrian or other motorists. Foaming at the mouth yelling for people to move or go faster or go slower or let them out or let them in.

It is truly ridiculous.
47

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 28/07/2008 11:26:39
So long as we continue to blame the roads rather than vehicles and drivers, road carnage will remain with us.

48

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 28/07/2008 11:33:53
#41 That's it? That's your answer? Constant surveillance over individual drivers over a 122-mile stretch of road and arresting them for an offence which there is absolutely no chance of them being prosecuted for? Good grief.

DWDCAA does NOT cover driving at a safe legal speed. Can you IMAGINE the outcry at someone being prosecuted for NOT speeding on the A9?
49

Albawolf,

28/07/2008 12:08:03
Someone should ask the members of the Glasgow Party and the Liberal Dems why in 8 years in office not one inch was dualled ?

Why doesn't the BBC do this ?

These eight years saw money wasted on a palace for those same Glasgow Party and Lib Dems.

Then after the last election those same Glasgow Party and Lib dems voted to spend money on a tram-line that will serve 6% of Edinburgh's population.

Why are these issues not raised ?
Why aren't the leaders of the Glasgow party and Lib dems asked how come they did the above ?

Why ????????

50

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 12:13:55
#46:

"People should pull over to let faster drivers past, how stupid is that?"

Probably not as stupid as it may first appear. Needlessly holding up faster traffic leads to frustration, which in turn leads to people taking un-neccesary risks, which in turn constitutes a hazard.

I'm not saying that slower drivers should jump out of the way the instant someone faster comes up behind them. It would however be of great benefit to all concerned if they were to be more aware of what was going on around them and the implications of their actions.

I have personally witnessed members of the "50mph, brake for every corner" brigade blindly pootling along in their own little world, totally unaware that a queue of faster traffic is building up behind them. I have even seen them purposly trying to prevent others overtaking, even to the point where they pull out and accellerate when someone attempts to overtake. How mind-numbingly stupid can that be?

There is nothing wrong with being overtaken by a faster vehicle. It is not an insult to your manhood (or womanhood) and it does not automatically mean that the overtaking driver is a complete idiot who must be slowed down at all costs. By thinking ahead and ditching this stupid idea that no-one should be allowed to overtake, a hell of a lot of lives could be saved on our roads every year.
51

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 13:39:44
Rev:

"Can you IMAGINE the outcry at someone being prosecuted for NOT speeding on the A9?"

It's not a matter of being done for not speeding, it's a matter of being done for driving without due care and attention or dangerously. Contrary to what the current propaganda says, it is not necessarily dangerous to drive fast and it is not automatically safe to drive slowly.

I have outlined examples of potentially dangerous behavior whilst driving slowly in my post above.
52

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 28/07/2008 13:49:04
The A9 was fine when first done when everybody drove Morris Minors and other c r a p slow cars.

Lets be honest, look at the cars we drive nowadays. Even the "wee" engined ones can reach over 100mph no bother, have power steering, reduced noise levels, are very comfy, good stereos etc etc.

So I would say now that the A9 has become dangerous through technological advances in car manufacture that we take for granted.

The questions we have to ask ourselves though is this. Do wee need to dual the road when we are trying to take active steps to reduce car transport based on oil?
53

Upbeat,

28/07/2008 13:56:10
Way back at #7 rpb suggested that the Swiss have and enforce rigidly rules about queues and slow moving traffic.

This is simply not true. After hundreds of journeys through and around Switzerland, spread over more than a decade through the 1990's I can confirm that I never ever heard of anybody being fined for this 'so called' offence. The only provision in Swiss law was the former German motoring principle that when approaching a level crossing which was closed to traffic, heavy vehicles should stay back from the crossing, to permit lighter vehicles to move ahead of them, before the barrier reopened . Sadly his ceased to be effective, and was no longer policed, as traffic volumes increased. People attempting to squeeze up in front of a stationary HGV completely blocked both sides of the carraigeway on both sides of the crossing..... Chaos once the barriers opened.

Motoring in Switzerland may have led rpb to believe that people were moving over because the law demanded it. It was far more likely that the Swiss were respecting the other motorist , and giving way to swifter traffic purely out of courtesy.

By all means ask the Swiss to advise Scotland about remedies for queues on Mountain roads. But do not be disappointed if they look slightly surprised that you should look to them for advice.

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Hugh Dunnit,

Glasgow 28/07/2008 14:06:50
This accident was caused by driver error or mechanical failure.

The A9 needs a period of robust policing to sort out the speeders, tailgaters and moby-users that we've all encountered. The two wee white vans are useless at catching speeders as they're too easily spotted except, if my memory is correct, by a certain chief constable.

The chief constables of Northern and Tayside should be sitting down today to devise their strategy. Manpower shouldn't be a problem if there's a will and some imaginative rostering. For openers, all 9 to 5'ers and all junior supervisors should spend one day a week on the A9. It doesn't matter if they're not driving a turbo-charged speedmachine - just get their asres out there in anything with an MOT and get these lunatics sorted out. There should be a beneficial spin-off in that they will once again come face-to-face with the general public and will therefore be able to converse as equals with the handful of junior cops who are at present the only ones doing the job.

Naturally, the chiefs will need an even larger squad to measure the effectiveness of "Operation My Jacket's On A Shaky Nail If I Don't Do Something About All These Deaths", but that's just the way things are done nowadays.

Just think, if all these deaths were murders, the press and politicians would be asking the chiefs for daily updates on what they're doing about them. The fact that they're classed as road traffic accidents shouldn't make any difference - the victims are still dead.

So what ARE they going to do about it?
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 14:18:29
Dave,

Just an observation, but in the days of Morris Minors, you also have Jaguar E-Types, Aston Martin DB4s and Bentley Continentals, all of which were easily capable of 100mph plus!

The brakes, suspension and tyres were nothing near the standard they are at nowadays---put most modern drivers in a Ford Anglia in the wet and they would spin it the first chance they get. This is aside from the argument that a Ford Anglia or Austin Cambridge should be the learner car of choice though!

Having driven on major A-roads, I am pretty certain that the problem is not purely excessive speed. Yes, any modern car above about 1.3 litres is capable of a ton, however, compared to doing the same speed in a proper, fast car, it is damn scary and you certainly know that the car is far from happy.

Even though most drivers are driving around in something that can do the ton, the vast majority are never going to even try to do so. I think that the main problem does not arise from speed of travel, but instead it arises from lack of concentration, lack of skill, illusion of safety and downright irresponsibility. Drivers who are guilty of any of the above would be just as guilty of it whether they were driving a Smart Car or a Bugatti Veyron.
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 28/07/2008 14:57:16
Sure Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head, but the cars you mentioned were hardly the Everymans car, was it? Just like today, I do not see many super cars on the road, especially on the A9. I have thought of that.

My point was, rather, that even our wee enginened cars are probabaly more advanced than those old classic sports motors you mentioned.
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Venachar,

28/07/2008 15:00:41
The A9 would be fine if it went to Mallaig, Mallaig still has to contend with passing places to get there - get real people we are in the 21st Century and our infrastructure is appalling. We just do not compare to europe, roads, trains are much better on the continent. All our cities should be connected by dual carriageway at least and rail connections. Do we have an electrified rail system - no.
Next time you are abroad please open your eyes. How much money have we spent on our armed forces since WW2. How much has Germany and Japan - they have not wasted the income from their economy.
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McMillar,

Fife 28/07/2008 15:12:23
Of course it is a 'dangerous' road. The stats are quite clear and shocking. #1 priority and still we are wasting money digging up the streets of Edinburgh.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 15:13:22
#56:

In some respects you are right, but I reckon that the cars themselves are not singularly to blame.

Most people drive at about 50-60mph on these types of roads. Some of them drive a lot slower. Those kinds of speeds are within the capabilites of all but the most knackered Morris Minor.

You may have something when you hint at the false sense of security that can sometimes be generated but I argue that as a competent driver, you should be aware of this possibility and actively combat it.

In my experience of dirving A-roads, I seem to find that a lack of speed, erratic driving (braking for every corner and not maintaining a straight course) is far, far more common than coming across cars (or motobikes) that are travelling at 100mph plus.

Far too many people drive along in dreamland and so when seomthing does go wrong, they are not in a position to react properly in order to deal with it. The first reaction always seems to be to hit the brakes---probably because it's the simplest thing to do. In a situation that threatens a head-on collision, just hitting the brakes is completely ineffective. You need to think about swerving, if needs be, swerving off the road.

Let's face it, who wouldn't rather take to a field at 60mph rather than hit the front of an on-coming vehicle at an impact speed well into 3 figures? It's a no-brainer when you think about it. The problem is that A great many drivers do not---and there lies the problem.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 28/07/2008 16:00:16
#51 "It's not a matter of being done for not speeding, it's a matter of being done for driving without due care and attention or dangerously. Contrary to what the current propaganda says, it is not necessarily dangerous to drive fast and it is not automatically safe to drive slowly."

Oh, I agree entirely. In which case you meant to say "dangerous driving", an entirely separate offence from "driving without due care and attention".

Which gets us no nearer to you explaining how this would be effectively policed.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 17:11:16
Rev:

I think that the key here is education and development of driver skill. This is an area that has been sadly neglected in recent times. You only need to look at the adverts for car insurance, servicing or in fact anything to do with cars to see how motoring is general has become a little, cute, pink and fluffy wonderland world where its always a sunny day and you can watch the little cartoon lambs gambolling around in the field as you "put-put" along to where you are going.

In reality the real world is far different. Vehicles can and do kill if you don't treat them with respect. It is about time that the image of motoring was drastically hardened up so that the potential hazards are more apparent and it is emphasised that driver skill plays a large part in keeping everyone safe.

Once you have driver skill and people start using their brains instead of day-dreaming about a nice cup of tea with sugar-coated buns by the side of the dum-dum bush, then you won't need policing per se. There is a hell of a lot more to enforcement than trying to catch people so that you can punish them. Altering people's perception works wonders.
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Brian Ferrari,

28/07/2008 17:41:20
Sadly this accident could happen on any road that hasn't been dualled. It wasn't caused by someone trying to overtake.

However the A9 should be dualled and the money found to pay for it as a PRIORITY. Next, how about the a96 Aberdeen/Inverness road? Too many lives are lost on these major trunk roads.

In the meantime I agree that frustration does cause accidents.

There are plenty of laybys on the A9.

Driving slowly and not pulling in to laybys to let queues past should attach the same social stigma and penalties as driving excessively fast. More signs should be put up. Surely it's not too much to expect someone who is plainly going slower than all the vehicles bunched up behind to take a little time out to let the queue past.

It's only part of being a courteous and respectful driver.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/07/2008 18:04:44
#62:

"Surely it's not too much to expect someone who is plainly going slower than all the vehicles bunched up behind to take a little time out to let the queue past."

The problem is getting them to notice that they are in fact doing this. Even if they come out of their dream world for long enough to realise that their is a huge tailback behind them, it would still be yet to register that they were actually causing the hold-up and that it wasn't a case of:-

"Oh! Look at that! It's really busy behind us yet the road ahead seems quite clear!"

Don't laugh! I honestly think that in some cases that could happen!
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I should be studying,

edinburgh 28/07/2008 19:34:19
No.10: "Isn't it a grand life subsidising the English?"

Well, maybe the funding for Scotland's roads was used up to buy all that hardcore and tarmac to fill that chip on your shoulder.
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Upbeat,

28/07/2008 20:58:12
Whe returning north on a Monday morning a couple of weeks ago, the layby at the top of Drumochter at around 11 am seemed like a great place for a coffee pause. Our veteran vehicle enjoyed a breather also , even though it is easily capable of keeping up with the legal pursuing traffic along the A 9

During 15 minutes spent enjoyeing our coffee not one other vehicle stopped to enjoy the stunning morning sunlight.

I suspect that holidays have to be lived at breakneck speed today, otherwise the duller moments might be spent pondering world events......
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danbob,

28/07/2008 22:15:05
Perspective needed here. A very sad and tragic accident but one that could happen on numerous roads throughout the UK. I have only driven the A9 between Perth and Inverness a couple of times but found it a superb road, reasonably quite, and overtaking of slower vehicle fairly easy. What I did find though is it's a dreadfully boring road. Nothing to do but steer the car. It's a sleep inducer without a doubt.
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truthsleuth,

29/07/2008 00:54:16
The road is not a sleep inducer its the driver who effectively committing an offence and should get off the road and out of his car.

Roads do not cause accidents
They do not move
They are not concious

Drivers give roads a bad name to hide their own defincies.
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truthsleuth,

29/07/2008 00:58:31
Six dead on the railways or in aviation would mean closure for a fortnight, investigation for a year.

Why is death on the roads so cheap.
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truthsleuth,

29/07/2008 01:00:29
When living in the countryside of N. Yorks it was very noticeable that drivers of farm vehicles often pulled over to let other vehicles pass.

Driving in other parts of the UK I cannot say never but I can't remember it happening
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Russell M,

Stirling 29/07/2008 22:07:45
Ah, that good ol' British stiff upper lip, it's mostly the drivers fault. Then why improve the roads at all. Large areas of Scotland are quite adequately served by single track with passing places. And if there were no privately owned automobiles the roads would be 70% safer. Let's try to be realistic, but thinking outside the box may be helpful.

How to improve safety on Scotland's A9 while dualing is completed:
1. Install centre line "highway safety barriers" on all single carriageway sections with minimal gaps for intersections and property access. (Doable by the end of 2008)]
2. Enforce 50 mph minimum speed on all sections unless conditions are prohibitive. (There are no 40 mph curves even for HGVs on the A9.)
3. Create/construct a verge capable of carrying farm traffic. (Mixing vehicles only capable of 20 mph with vehicles capable of 70+ is insane.)
4. Widen the central reservation at all level crossing intersections to allow drivers to negotiate one direction at a time.
4. Improve all of Scotland's north-south trunk roads, A82, A84, A92, A96, to a 50 mph standard. Thereby allowing traffic a reasonable choice.
5. Rationalise road mph speed limits to apply to all vehicles: Built up area (street lit) - 30±10%+2, Single Carriageways - 50±10%+2, Dual Carriageways - 60±10%+2, Motorways - 70±10%+2, with enforcement applied equally to both ends of the range.

An Alternative Plan:
1. Britain has one of the best road safety records in the world, which is something to be proud of. So let's stop whingeing about road fatalities.
2. Let Darwinism eliminate the feeble, weak and inattentive thereby further improving the quality of British drivers.
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Poubelle,

orkney 31/07/2008 14:30:26
#7 - you don't know what you're talking about. I regularly drive the A9 to and from Orkney and the road is always busy no matter what time of day or what time of year I travel. The worst part of the A9 is between Perth and Inverness due to the infrequent sections of dual carriageway. I'd have to agree with #31 that completely dualing this section would improve things considerably.
Putting more deliveries onto the railways would also help make the road safer as I've been in long queues behind multiple lorries where one has tried to overtake the other on a stretch of dual carriageway, failed and had to pull into where it was in the first place thereby denying any faster vehicles the ability to get past and causing immense amounts of frustration to the drivers behind. It's inconsiderate driving in the extreme.
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Norkay,

Outer Hebrides 03/08/2008 15:28:26
Yes it is a hoary cliche but the road is not to blame, you cannot blame an inanimate object, common sense tells everyone that. The cause of deaths on the roads sits firmly and squarely with the drivers, I don't care which way you care to argue about it. If everyone was less concerned with "SELF" and drove with due care and attention of the other people driving on the road the A9 would be as safe as any other road, but I would still say upgrade it to dual all the way, with central barriers which may reduce accidents.

 

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