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Homosexuality ban 'no reason for asylum'



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Published Date: 11 October 2008
THE head of the UK Border Agency has enraged human rights groups after stating that gay asylum seekers should not be allowed to stay in Britain simply because their sexual orientation is outlawed in the country they have fled.
Lin Homer, chief executive of the Home Office agency responsible for applying Britain's asylum policies and enforcing border controls, told The Scotsman that a ban on homosexuality in a home country is not in itself a reason not to deport asylum seekers who fear persecution because they are gay.

After speaking at a conference in Glasgow organised by Scottish Refugee Council, Ms Homer said judges consider the "practical consequences" for homosexuals if they are returned, not a country's societal or legal approach to homosexuality.

Last week, The Scotsman revealed how Jojo Yakob, a young Syrian man who claims he was tortured for being gay, fears for his life after a Scottish judge threw out his appeal against a deportation order.

His case raised concern from equality campaigners that Britain is sending people to countries where they face persecution because of their sexual orientation.

Yesterday, Ms Homer defended the approach taken by her agency and the court, insisting the information about countries of origin used to make these decisions is as comprehensive, and transparent, as possible.

"What the court takes into account is the practical consequences for the individuals concerned," she said.

"The simple presence of either a law or a culture that frowns upon homosexuality is not of itself a reason (to grant asylum]."

She added: "I think these decisions are made carefully and thoughtfully."

Ms Homer's admission that Britain will not offer protection to homosexuals because of legal prohibitions alone was branded "astonishing" by Nico Juetten, policy manager with LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) Youth Scotland.

Countries which outlaw homosexuality include many Middle Eastern and African states.

In Syria, homosexuality is regarded as a "disease" which needs to be treated. Reports from the country claim that dozens of homosexuals are imprisoned after being arrested on vague charges such as abusing social values.

It is claimed that within Syrian law, killing a homosexual can eliminate family shame – which means the perpetrator faces a much shorter jail sentence.

Mr Juetten said: "Lin Homer was talking about country of origin information. It's good to have transparent information, but sometimes that information is wanting. It may be that homosexuality, for example, is tolerated in one part of the country, but not in another.

"The problem also is judges often say something along the lines of 'you'll probably be fine as long as you keep a low profile'.

"But if someone has fled the country because of their homosexuality, they are going to be closely monitored when they are returned."

John Wilkes, chief executive of Scottish Refugee Council, said: "This is inconsistent and muddied thinking. If there was a law in a country that said you cannot be Jewish or a member of the Communist Party, would the UK government send them back to that country to be prosecuted?

"To say someone should not be able to express themselves free from persecution is contrary to the European Convention on Human Rights and the Refugee Convention."

BACKGROUND

ASYLUM seekers should be given the right to work while they await the outcome of their application, Kenny MacAskill yesterday said.

The justice secretary said allowing asylum seekers to work would help address labour shortages in Scotland and equip people with skills they can use if they are returned to their country of origin.

Speaking at a Scottish Refugee Council conference, Mr MacAskill said the Scottish Government was lobbying the UK government to ensure "fundamental lines in the sand in terms of Scotland's values" are taken into account as the new Immigration Bill is developed.

He said this included protection for children, minimal use of detention and integration.

The full article contains 646 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 10 October 2008 9:52 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Immigration and refugees
 
1

Rufus T. Firefly,

11/10/2008 00:22:07
This is exactly why Nevsky is stuck in Russia.
2

truthsleuth,

11/10/2008 01:24:21
Good for the Borders Agency
At last someone prepared to put THIS NATION FIRST.

SEND HIM and the OTHER ILLEGALS BACK HOME

We certainly cannot afford them now.
3

Guga II,

Rockall 11/10/2008 01:42:14
None of these so-called asylum seekers is genuine. They are all economic migrants. Moreover, under international law, asylum seekers are supposed to seek asylum in the nearest safe country. This does not allow for them traversing half a dozen or more countries to get to the soft touch of the YUK.

The law should be changed so that all these bogus asylum seekers, and all other illegal immigrants should be deported as soon as their feet hit the deck.

As for Kenny MacAskill, he is a total waste of space, and wee Eck should get rid of him before he does any more damage to the SNP.
4

Dougie - Edinburgh,

11/10/2008 01:47:52
Britain's gullibility in this regard has created the situation where people claim to be homosexual in order to claim asylum. One Iraqi refugee supposedly fleeing persecution for homosexuality turned out to be a very heterosexual rapist.
5

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11/10/2008 02:08:14
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Robin11,

New York 11/10/2008 03:44:27
Seems that the population self-identified as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT) becomes more and more. According to my experience on the site *BiLoves dotcom* (a site for coming out, explore sexuality, etc.), there are about 100 members per day and they are very active. You can imagine.
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alwaysalba,

11/10/2008 08:08:51
if only we could move that trash that murdered the headmaster who now claims he cannot be deported because he turned gay in prison. sorry to all of the society's but this kind of rubbish doesnt help people who wish to practise their sexuality openly in the UK. wake up and see the fact that your fight to be established is being used and abused, and makes your fight so much harder.
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FTH22inarow,

11/10/2008 08:29:57
now we should deport the ones that are here already, wait a minute they run the country and the old etonians that are the opposition will know as well
11

Regulator,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 08:48:01
It all appears a bit contradictory. Advice is given that asylum seekers should be allowed to work while the legal process runs it's course because we have skill shortages that these people can fulfill.

#3 totally correct, so why should we be going thru a legal process for an asylum seeker (Probably cause the French house their asylum seekers at the Chunnel entrance).
12

Kyle N Carrick,

11/10/2008 09:19:04
3 "None of these so-called asylum seekers is genuine"

How do you know that?
13

Roy,

11/10/2008 09:34:08
Lighten up, racists. Scotland has been producing economic migrants for centuries. Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand, England, South Africa, etc., is full of them...
14

Duncan in Edinburgh,

11/10/2008 09:49:46
What a depressing bunch of selfish comments from people who have clearly never experienced oppression, true poverty or, apparently, empathy.

It is pure ignorance which breeds these attitudes.

We are a nation of lazy, fat idiots who expect the state to support us and assume that any immigrant would be the same; yet state dependency among recent immigrant populations is far lower than that in the rest of Scottish society, and the net contribution from immigration is massively positive.

It is immigrants who prop up the economy which provides the benefits for the rest of society. If the people already here were willing to do the jobs that need doing then the black market for illegal migration would dry up instantly. But while our cities are full of lazy, substance-dependent, benefits claiming layabouts, we will continue to be plagued by problems of illegal immigration.
15

James Donald,

Newbridge 11/10/2008 10:06:52
#14 Duncan in Edinburgh - "We are a nation of lazy, fat idiots who expect the state to support us" - Speak for yourself.
16

Logie Almond,

11/10/2008 10:14:56
If you say we should allow any homosexual from a country where homosexuality is banned to claim asylum in Britain you are giving hundreds of millions of people the right to stay here. And since most "asylum seekers" are cheats and liars anyway you are giving them a convenient peg to base their scams on.
17

Guga II,

Rockall 11/10/2008 10:16:18
#14 Dungcan.

"our cities are full of lazy, substance-dependent, benefits claiming layabouts"

Again, speak for yourself.
18

Media 1,

cape town 11/10/2008 10:23:37
How many European, Australian, Canadian, American, New Zealander ASYLUM seekers are there in Africa and the Muslim world?

If the western way of doing things is so wrong, then why is it that there are more Africans and Muslims looking for asylum in the west?

I thought we were the enemy?

The problem is this; the west has pulled itself out of the dark ages and many of our ancestors along the way have died so that we may experience such freedoms - but the others I mentioned have not pulled themselves out of the dark ages and therefore look to the west to save them.

Imagine a westerner opening a church in the middle of Afghanistan or anywhere else for that matter. He or she WOULD be killed. Now imagine they used that church to express anti Taliban or anti Bin Laden messages like the animals who used mosques in London did?

We all know the outcome because the muslim world has no restraint, they will kill us in a second for behaving the way they behave in our societies.

Therefore, I believe that in time Europe is going to have to become just as brutal toward the muslim world as they are toward us - and that will be the Muslim worlds fault for failing to offer the same respect in return.

Please note - Europeans are not perfect, I am not suggesting they are. War and occupation is no small matter and some of our leader should be put on trial, but in terms of everyday life, European societies are certainly more responsible.
19

Zippy,

Australia 11/10/2008 10:31:40
It makes me shiver when I come on here and read yet another splurge of closed minded comments by a bunch of inward looking drones.

For a moment those of you who think that coming to Scotland as an asylum seeker is like visiting Disney land then get a life. For one moment imagine what it would take for you to feel the need to leave your home, your country, your friends, your family and what you have known all your life, to move to somewhere where you are very likely to have no friends, no family, no money and pretty much no confidence. Imagine that then add on the closed minded bigots, like yourself that greet you on your arrival. Welcome to Scotland. Fortunately there are people out there who respect humanity and feel that everyone should enjoy the basic human rights that the majority of us take for granted, yet some feel should not be given to others, particularly to those who look and sound a bit different.

Do some research, open your minds and have some respect for others.
20

bluehead,

edinburgh 11/10/2008 10:31:41
what equality?there is no such thing!politicians have destroyed that like they have destroyed everything else,
my congratulations to them who confess they are lazy and useless,it is good for there souls
we never needed immigrants to start with if they had made all the wasters who have spent all their formative years living of the state, work for their money, instead of sponging then there would be no excuse for foreigners to be here ,then Britain would have stayed Britain instead of what it is now.
21

zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 11/10/2008 10:34:33
Would we be saying the same thing if the reason for wanting to stay in the UK was because a person would be persecuted in their country of origin because of their religion? What about an apostate from Islam? Would we send them back to be persecuted or killed? Then why send a homosexual back to be persecuted or killed?
22

Ave Maria,

London 11/10/2008 10:36:28
No's 7 + 9 - Typical ignorant comments
No 14 - You are spot on

My little brother was so badly beaten up in Edinburgh - just for being gay - that he was left with a fractured skull and permanant deafness in one ear. Needless to say he left Scotland and all the small minded, ignorant bigots that live there behind and EMIGRATED to Vancouver where he can walk down the street without the threat of some neanderthal wanting to smash his head in because of his sexual orientation.
23

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 11/10/2008 10:49:30
If the bloke is interested in "freedom" he should have just gone to the nearest "free" port, and made his application to that country.
The vast majority of us, do not want any more of these shysters in the UK.
Time to adopt a quota system.
24

Ave Maria,

London 11/10/2008 10:50:49
Also meant to add - why anyone would want to claim asylum in Scotland because they are gay is beyond me. The majority of Scotland is as small minded and bigoted as many of these backward countries that have banned homosexuality anyway.
25

Eric D,

Alba 11/10/2008 10:55:01
Given that the "refugees" already granted asylum are disproportionally represented in the benefits/NHS system ( 80% of THE qat chewing Somali's receiving benefits), I fail to say the material difference anyway , but the principle is correct that they should NOT be allowed to work here without proper checks done ; criminality,health,character and their general suitability to integrate.

No 14 : Thanks for the rant. A quick cursory look at Governments stats show the employment rate in Scotland is the Highest in Europe. Scots employment rate is 76%.The Chinese in Scotland are 78%, the Pakistani, Somali's etc, etc are below 50%. Broken down further Scots females ( 80%), Pakistani's(13%). There is a problem with welfarism and dependency in this country , exploited by NuLab. Despite 11 years of unparalleled growth (3m new jobs -80% to immigrants) IC and IB take up is unchanged.

The recent house of commons report revealed recent mass- immigration has added nothing to GDP per capita in UK.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/2075031/brown-has-exploited-immigration-to-hide-from-deep-problems.thtml
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Dave,

Western Isles 11/10/2008 10:56:45
At last, sensibility. In order to affect change in ones country with regards sexuality acceptance, ones particular group need physical numbers.

If they all come here, then no change will ever happen in thier home country.

Remember, gay people need hetro people ever more so. Otherwise, who will breed more gay people? Not the gay people themselves. It's simple fact of biology.

So lets work together here.
27

Dave,

Western Isles 11/10/2008 10:56:45
At last, sensibility. In order to affect change in ones country with regards sexuality acceptance, ones particular group need physical numbers.

If they all come here, then no change will ever happen in thier home country.

Remember, gay people need hetro people ever more so. Otherwise, who will breed more gay people? Not the gay people themselves. It's simple fact of biology.

So lets work together here.
28

Brodric,

11/10/2008 10:58:16
14 - Duncan

Oh Yahoo!

"It is immigrants who prop up the economy which provides the benefits for the rest of society".

Just explain how an immigrant with his low-paid job (and therefore low tax payment) is benefitting us. Add to that an immigrant with a pregnant wife and child: free school/nursery, maternity payments, child benefit, free medical treatment, housing benefit, council tax, free dental treatment for mother and child.

Balance the books Duncan and get real because most of the immigrants are like this one or they are singles living in communal flats, still benefitting and still paying low taxes...many of whom claim tax support (forgotten the name of this) AND send child benefit back home for children living in another country. They are often from countries where they already have child benefit for their children...and their wives work.

DON'T SPOIL MY SATURDAY MORNING WITH YOUR WISHY WASHY COMMENTS.
29

Brodric,

11/10/2008 11:03:02
19 Zippy - my comments at 28 are about immigrants not refugees. And I completely agree with you about refugees. I married one. And I have many friends from various countries who came here as refugees because of real persecution.

The good thing is that refugees from various countries tend to get together and really support one another. And there are many people in Scotland who open their hearts and give up their time to help those who come here.

And we should help real refugees, including homosexuals from countries where the persecution could be torture or death. These are the reasons why Europe adopted a policy to assist refugees under this kind of terror.
30

Brodric,

11/10/2008 11:06:34
24 - Ave Maria.

Sorry about your brother. Unfortunately there are a minority of people everywhere who use any kind of difference as a target for their own inadequacies and prejudices.

But Scotland has a big community of gay people. In Edinburgh there is a whole area of gay bars and homosexuals don't fear for their lives every time they go out.
31

Nellie Rogers,

reading bus timetables 11/10/2008 11:12:19
You can legally marry a 13 year old lassie in Syria, but homosexuality is illegal
Here you can legally be homosexual but marrying a 13 year old girl is a one way ticket to Peterheid.

I see a perfect wee solution to this. We keep this lad and they take Gary Glitter.

Everyone wins a watch and a hat.
32

Ewan M,

11/10/2008 11:15:40
Good, send the lot of these ecomomic migrants back.
33

albanman,

11/10/2008 11:23:48
#28 Brodric. I think it is you would need to get your facts straight. You say you're not talking about refugees, so what do you have in mind?

If you're talking about migrants from the EU, they have a right to live in this country. British citizens can get the same in any EU country. If you're against membership in the EU, that's another issue entirely, but for EU citizens have the right to live anywhere within the borders of the EU, and receive the same benefits as the citizens of the respecive country.

If you're talking about legal non-EU immigrants, they are helpful to us in numerous ways. While they have the right to work, the visa they receive is stamped "NO ACCESS TO PUBLIC FUNDS" - so no jobseekers allowance, no child benefits, no state pension, no free dental treatment for a pregant mother as you wronlgly claim. In other words, they pay in but can't take out. You need to check up on the laws of this country before making such ill-informed comments.

Oh, in case you're talking about illegal immigrants, they don't have visas anyway - and we all need documentation to claim benefits. These days, it's often a passport.
34

Allan(handofgod137),

11/10/2008 12:22:27
Ah the usual whining from the leftists who are worried that if we get rid of the foreign scroungers we'll then turn our attention to the home grown scroungers.
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11/10/2008 12:25:39
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11/10/2008 12:30:06
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sam the god,

11/10/2008 12:41:50
well that is a start now how about actually throwing out those who have failed in their applications together with their extended families
38

vimto,

11/10/2008 12:49:36
37. Good point.
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Tris,

11/10/2008 12:49:39
#14

Well said Graham.
40

sam the god,

11/10/2008 12:49:39
Just think if we get rid of all these illegal immigrants (asylum can only be asked for at the nearest safe country to where they are fleeing so all of them in the UK are illegal) that are in this country just think of the money the country could save especially in this time of credit crunch.
41

nickname in use,

Scotland/UK 11/10/2008 12:56:56
Good. (without meaning to sound heartless)

OF COURSE it's not a good reason.
Lets get something STRAIGHT. (no that wasn't a pun)
They are seeking asylum.
That means their life is in grave danger.
Gay people can hide their sexuality. Their life stops being in danger when choose not to expose themselves as gay.
They know the rules and prejudices of their country, thus, they brought it on themselves by being openly gay.

NOW, of course it's a horrid thing and no one should have to be in fear of their life due to who they are sexually attracted to... but still. Those are the facts.
Just like the British, if they don't want to live under the laws and prejudices of their country, they shall go through the legal immigration process and seek a better life elsewhere. Somewhere that they can live without fear. Or learn to deal with it, like everyone else does.
As it stands, their problem can be solved by just not parading down the street with a rainbow sign.
Of course they do not NEED to come here. It's sad but we can't just let anyone and everyone in. Asylum is for people under threat from very serious things and in grave danger. ALSO Africa, The Middle East etc..(muslim countries who are against homosexuality) are nowhere near Britain. Asylum seekers are supposed to go to their nearest safe country to seek asylum.
Our nearest countries are Ireland, France and Norway.
I somehow doubt that's where the gay people are fleeing from (or any of the asylum seekers actually).
In theory, the UK should not really have ANY asylum seekers, since we're a little island cut off from the rest of the world.
Syria is nowhere NEAR Scotland! In fact it is plain out of the way. Even if the asylum seeker DID come from Norway, they are supposed to go to their nearest country...Sweden. France=Spain etc.
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danbob,

11/10/2008 13:05:07
Zippy 19# Your comments are a bit ironic, what with you posting from Australia. If you are posting from Australia then you will know your country has been operating one of the tightest and rigid policys anywhere on the planet, regarding Immigration and asylum. At least the UK has not left a boat load of Afghans floating on the Indian ocean for days. Perhaps you should direct your comments at the Australian press.
P.S You any relation to Bungle.
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11/10/2008 13:34:40
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Nellie Rogers,

Waiting for a number 14 11/10/2008 13:56:41
#44
No, that would be in contravention of the International Fair Swapsies Edict, (1985), Paragraph 2, section 14(a)
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11/10/2008 15:24:22
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paulmort,

Quezon City 11/10/2008 15:27:50
Well said Danbob are you any relation to tenbob
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danbob,

11/10/2008 15:55:57
47# No but I have a sister called Mary Ellen.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 11/10/2008 17:14:11
Once the words "homosexual" or "homosexuality" or "gay" is in a newsitem sound sense and reasonableness fly out the window as demonstrated by some of the hateful and ridiculous postings in this thread.
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subrosa,

11/10/2008 17:19:18
'It is immigrants who prop up the economy which provides the benefits for the rest of society.'

Really? What about all the illegals who nowadays run our drug scene and also the people trafficking scene? Our prisons are full of them.

I'm all for immigrants being treated well if they do have good reason to be here and are skilled, but these people are a minority to the numbers which have arrived here in the past 10 years.

As for shouting 'I'm gay' as soon as things aren't going there way, we should ignore it. If I went to their country I would have to abide by their laws or face the serious consequences.

Why are we such a soft touch? Why are so many prepared to allow this to happen? Because we allow it to happen. If we ignore it then it will go away ...
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11/10/2008 17:19:57
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subrosa,

11/10/2008 17:20:32
ooops that 'there' should be their.
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Joe Macdelta.,

11/10/2008 18:41:55
If they have a good reason to be here then fine, but if not then get them out A.S.A.P., if gay then, so what it is not a reason to stay here, let him go somewhere else.
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sam the god,

11/10/2008 19:24:41
#42 vimto
i believe that the poster #14 has in the past openly stated that he is one
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glen urquhart,

glasgow 11/10/2008 21:57:30
Where are all the asylum seekers going to be housed? Are the government going to build new homes for them to stay - something they haven't bothered doing for Britons for decades?

What happens when we have 3 million unemployed - a real possibility in the coming years? Do we still let in thousands each year?


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Zippy,

Australia 11/10/2008 23:21:06
#43 danbob
True I am living in Australia, but born and bred in Scotland, and yes Australia has got some terrible immigration policies, although they are starting to change since Rudd came in.
To answer your 2nd question, Bungle has been my lover for several years now.
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ThomasP,

12/10/2008 00:04:44
Homosexuality ban 'no reason for asylum'

Totally true. How can we know when an individual is homosexual?

By tomorro afternoon we shall see waves of immigrants jumping off lorries at the borders claiming to be homosexuals...
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 12/10/2008 06:20:34
Well next year all those "doubtful refugees" will arrive on your shores and announce that they are going to convert to Christianity. You are safer with the homosexuals. Australia does have a strict emigration policy but it covers all races, European, Middle East and Asia. That way you can pretty well ensure that all the hooks, crooks and bottle washers are represented by a pretty even percentage of each race. One thing that has been noticed is that their bl**dy teenagers are the same as our bl**dy teenagers.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/10/2008 10:57:42
The posting by an odious thing called "amadi" from the United Arab Emirates is a hate-filled fundamentalist Muslim rant.

I have asked it to be removed because such hysterical and lunatic and shrill shrieks from an unabalanced person does not belong on the Scotsman and is in fact PROHIBITED.

He can enjoy his self-satisfied Islamic brain-washing in his own country but he has not right to inflict these inhuman and inhumane views on the rest of the world through the threads of the Scotsman.

He should be permanently banned from EVER posting on THe Scotsman.
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Ave Maria,

London 12/10/2008 11:21:01
No 30 - Brodric
Yes there may be several gay bars/clubs in Edinburgh but that doesn't mean that gay people are welcomed or even tolerated in Edinburgh/Scotland. As can be seen by the numerous ignorant comments on here...

No 52 Brage + 57 Amadi
Homosexuality is not a "disease" and therefore cannot be "cured". It's well documented that homosexual behaviour occurs in the animal kingdom. This points to the naturalness of homosexual behaviour in humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Also Amadi - the UAE's appalling record on Human Rights is widely recognized throughout the world. LGBT is just one of the minority groups that are victimised and criminalised (and sometimes even sentenced to death!!) just for expressing who they are. So your comments are not relevant or even welcome here.

No 14 - Duncan in Edinburgh
If you are indeed gay and "out" as No 55 suggests then I commend you for your bravery for being openly gay in an ignorant, bigoted, hostile and backward Scotland.
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Ave Maria,

London 12/10/2008 11:24:07
No 61 - Tim

Couldn't agree with you more. I'll be requesting his post along with No 52 Brage gets deleted for there stupid and ignorant views on homosexuality.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/10/2008 12:34:23
#64 Brage

Myself and others had the hate-filled rant @ 57 removed because it contravened the terms of reference and guidelines as outlined for permission to post on these threads.

It is against most jurisdictions to promote hate literature and #57 from the UAE was proselytising his radical Islamic bullsh*t and was inarticulate to boot.

For these reasons, the Scotsman, in its infinite wisdsom, IMMEDIATELY deleted his rant and I hope they ban PERMANENTLY him and his ilk from this blog.

I do NOT consider my view is the "correct view" but just my personal opinion as expressed in these democratic forums and I sincerely feel you have misinterpreted what some of we posters has expressed.
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12/10/2008 14:56:50
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Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 12/10/2008 16:49:06
#63 wrote:

"..Brage gets deleted for there stupid and ignorant views on homosexuality."

Talk about narrow minded. Only one point of view is allowed - namely yours? LOL that is so funny.

Certain people throw a hissy fit if someone dares disagree with their opinion, labelling it 'hate speech' or some other nonsense. If people are inciting the killing of gays, Muslims, or whatever - I agree this is hate speech.

If someone thinks Islam is a bunch of fairy tales, or homosexuality is 'not natural' then that's not inciting violence - its called an opinion.

If you don't like it - then tough really. If you can't take people having a differing opinion to your beliefs then perhaps a messageboard isn't really the place for you. You see, shock, horror, people might not always subscribe to your beliefs.

Terrible isn't it? Maybe we ought to lock up everyone who doesn't have your beliefs?
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Kipling,

12/10/2008 17:28:00
As someone with a homosexual relation (NOT relationship!!!) my impression of this group is that as a group it is as intolerant, corrupt and as closed as a group of freemasons. Try, as a heterosexual, sitting with a group of homosexuals (who know your sexual inclination) and whilst you might not be squeezed, you will certainly at some point in the proceedings be squeezed out. The kind of heterosexual company that 'gays' themselves are asking for simply doesn't practise the same social exclusion behaviour. It may have done once, but it rarely does now. Try and function on an equal basis with gays in society and you will lose out. I therefore have sympathy with the Syrians frowning upon this sexual inclination, particularly where it may bring in Aids to a country probably with few if any sufferers, but if the guy has been tortured as part of his 'treatment' this can only be wrong. Syria should show that treatment is, in fact, being stuck in a room with a mad shrink and not in a jailhouse with thieves, rapists, etc., and the judge should have decided on the basis of this.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/10/2008 17:35:02
66 Brage

You are talking out of your backside. Just because a person is homosexual and/or is heterosexual and supports the rights of "gays" does not mean that they support a "dictatorship". Where DO you get your logic - from the back of a cereal box?

It is ignoramuses like you that give heterosexuality a bad name and YOUR arrogance is breathtaking in its air of superiority and God-given right to pass judgment on everybody and everything that disagress with you.

You must be a JOY to be at a bar or pub when reasoned and intelligent folk are TRYING to have a polite discussion.

Been shunned many times, Bragie dearest?
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 13/10/2008 00:26:59
71 Brage

Scotland is overflowing with counsellors so please consult one soonest to cure you of your inferiority complex and Napoleonic sense of inadequacy.

It may baring you back to land of the sane.

And why do you persist in capitalising "Homosexuality"? Is this one of your hidden psychiatric hangups that only years of therapy will cure.
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Ave Maria,

London 13/10/2008 16:26:03
No 64 - Brage
"How dare you impose your views on others!!!" Right back at ya sweetie.

"If you have even a rudimentary anatomical knowledge and a slight acquaintence with physiological function you will realise that the genitalia of each gender was designed to interact with that of the opposite gender"
I'm no rocket scientist but the gay boys I know seem to make it fit if you know what I mean?!

Oh and FYI - I'm not gay. I'm a very hetero girl. I just like to see the good in everyone. Takes up too much energy to hate everyone dontcha think??

No 69 - Kipling
Have you ever considered that you might just be really boring company and that's why you were "squeezed out"? Although sounded you were disappointed you weren't "squeezed" ;)

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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 14/10/2008 11:54:38
#75 Brage the Braggart

How nice for you.

You certainly do have a very high opinion of yourself.

As for your "perfect somatic and psychologicial health", your sick preoccupation with homosexuals and homosexuality indicates that others may differ as to whether you are truly in "psychological health".

 

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