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Parliament: Turf wars hotting up in debate over who holds reins



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Published Date: 03 April 2008
With Westminster and Holyrood locked in a tussle over the division of powers, the SNP can sit back knowing it is in a win-win situation.
YVETTE Cooper caused a storm this week when she wrote to the Scottish Government questioning its plans to replace the council tax with a local income tax, and highlighting a potential £750 million shortfall.

In the division of powers between Westminster and Holyrood, local taxation falls clearly within the Scottish Parliament's remit. But the UK Government argued the Chief Secretary to the Treasury was entitled to intervene because she was voicing a "legitimate concern as a Cabinet minister on the provision of public services in Scotland".

That's not the way Finance Secretary John Swinney saw it. "This is an issue for the Scottish Government. It is not an issue for the Westminster Government in any shape or form," he said.

The spat raises the prospect that tensions between the Labour Government in London and the SNP administration in Edinburgh could spill over from disputes over funding to a serious turf war about the responsibilities of the two regimes.

Just days before the SNP's row with the Treasury erupted, Labour MP Eric Joyce told a fringe meeting at the party's Scottish conference in Aviemore he believed the House of Commons should spend more time debating matters like Scottish health and education even though they are devolved to Holyrood.

Mr Joyce, MP for Falkirk West, argued that in the US, education was the responsibility of individual states but Congress would still discuss broad issues around the subject. He said: "Perhaps we should be scrutinising these issues more than we do at the moment. I don't think MPs should be setting policy, but where there are larger questions about priorities and what are the really big challenges."

It is a controversial view, especially at a time when increased powers for Holyrood are about to come under active discussion in the cross-party Scottish Constitutional Commission.

Taxation is the most important area where change is likely to be proposed, but there are others such as broadcasting and control of the Scottish Parliament's own elections, where there is support for a switch. With the pressure for more action on airguns north of the Border, even firearms are mentioned for possible devolution.

Some Labour politicians have said the commission must also look at powers being moved from Holyrood back to Westminster. Terrorism, foot-and-mouth and bird flu have been mentioned as possible candidates for transfer south.

Malcolm Chisholm, Labour MSP for Edinburgh North and Leith, speaking at the same conference fringe meeting as Mr Joyce, said the possibility of powers going back to Westminster had to be kept open, but he did not expect a "great migration" in that direction.

"When it comes to defence and foreign policy, the advantages of dealing with these on a UK basis far outweigh the disadvantages," he said.

"Immigration has caused some controversy, but as Jack McConnell showed with his Fresh Talent initiative, we can get a variation within immigration policy. I'm open-minded about broadcasting. But people have to look closely at the evidence, not just make an emotional decision based on whether Scottish football matches are shown on terrestrial television."

Scottish Labour leader Wendy Alexander wisely steered clear of the constitutional commission in her keynote speech to the Aviemore conference.

But in her St Andrew's Day lecture in November she highlighted several areas she believed worthy of examination to see if more power should be handed to Holyrood – welfare to work, road transport, public holidays, marine issues, animal health and taxation.

Since the commission is "cross- border" as well as cross-party, and has been officially endorsed by the UK party leaders, the MPs – however reluctantly – are signed up to the process.

In a debate at Westminster yesterday on Scotland's future, SNP MPs repeatedly goaded their Scottish Labour colleagues by asking whether they supported more powers for Holyrood.

Scottish Secretary Des Browne took the opportunity of his speech at the close of the Labour conference at the weekend to point out Westminster was passing more legislation for Scotland than the minority SNP Government. He told activists: "We may be in opposition in the Scottish Parliament but we are still in government in Scotland."

For what it's worth, a new study this week suggested a majority of English voters would be happy to see more tax powers transferred to Holyrood.

The Nat-Cen survey claimed 75 per cent of English voters believed that "now Scotland has its own parliament, it should pay for its services out of taxes collected in Scotland".

But English support for Scottish independence was down from 24 to 19 per cent. While Labour was in government at both Westminster and Holyrood, any cross-border clashes could be kept under control.

It's a different story now that the two centres of power are held by opposing parties. But almost whatever happens, it is a win-win situation for the SNP.

If Alex Salmond and his colleagues get their way, it's a victory over Westminster and proof that the Nationalists are standing up for Scotland.

If they don't, it's another example of Westminster being anti-Scottish and another reason to demand independence.

Mr Swinney's territorial tussle with Ms Cooper may be a sign of things to come.


The full article contains 898 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 03 April 2008 1:18 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Ian Swanson
 
1

Miss Jean Brodie,

03/04/2008 11:23:40
Believing there should be no government at all - this article only intimates that a Scotland governed independently would still be a better option than the current UK arrangement - c’mon let’s get the refferendum on Independence for Scotland oot tae the public and let them vote on that issue and not have it lumped in with a load od additional political shennanigans as part of the various party manifesto nonsenses.
2

eric,

03/04/2008 12:15:58
An Independent Scotland would secure Labour into power for decades.
3

Merouane,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 12:18:01
"Mr Swinney's territorial tussle with Ms Cooper may be a sign of things to come".

Unfortunately so. But where does the responsibility lie? On issues such as local taxation, they lie with Labour in London. This has been the case with most of the "fights" we've had bettween Holyrood and the UK government. The SNP can't do much without a majority in Parliament, and for Labour to try and wreck that is against the spirit of devolution (you, Ian, may call it "anti-Scottish").
4

Merouane,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 12:19:35
#2. Nope, I don't think so. The accountability brought into Scottish politics by devolution has weakened Labour support in Scotland. Fiscal autonomy or independence will continue that process. Unless Labour changes radically.
5

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 03/04/2008 13:00:21

Local taxation was an SNP manifesto promise. Yest again it has been discovered that the SNP had not fully thought through how they were going to impliment it, like students fees, the extra police officers etc. They now turn to there tried and trusted way of attempting to dig themselves out the whole they are in by blaming Westmisnter. Its becoming tedious now with the SNP and old Slymond using the same excuse. Ultimatley the SNP didnt beleive they would win the election so they promised the world and there problems have came home to roost.
6

Linda,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 13:01:42
Eric is very wrong and behind the times.
The SNP believes in an STV system of voting in an independent Scotland.

Westminster is changing the goalposts since SNP came to power.
7

Capital Boy,

03/04/2008 13:13:01
eric as usual yer spouting nonesense, the east/central side of scotland has thankfully all but got rid of labour and hopefully no matter what happens these cretins will never get back into the east side of the country, let the sheeple on the west coast vote blindingly for them !!
8

Hamish Scott,

03/04/2008 13:21:35
#5
Yes, and black is white and white is black! It's obvious who's causing the trouble here and it's not our Government.
9

Bob Christie,

03/04/2008 13:26:52
#2 What utter tripe! If this is the best you can come up with you clearly understand little of today's political climate in Scotland.

Proportional representation has seen off forever Labour's perception of its divine right to govern Scotland.
Added to this is the public's realisation that the Labour Party has changed for ever.

Labour is now the party of the rich, having abandoned completely its roots.

Labour is now the party which wages illegal wars.

Labour is now the party where its MP's and MSP's indulge in corrupt and illegal financial dealings with particular regard to expenses.

So Eric look on it positively and call the changed labour party situation the "Independence Dividend"
10

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 03/04/2008 13:45:33
A vote for Labour, LiberalDemocrats, or Conservatives is a wasted vote in a Westminster election. They will all tow the party line and not represent Scotlands interests on undevolved issues.

The SNP is the only party that will speak out for Scotland.
11

Merouane,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 13:48:12
#5. You forgot to mention the £500m they've been bounced into spending on the tramline. Bet you're all in favour of that.

#7. If the editor of the EEN had his way, Labour would be back in power today.
12

Anne, Glasgow,

03/04/2008 14:17:28
Des Browne, "We may be in opposition in the Scottish Parliament but we are still in government in Scotland."
Please Des, more of the same and Scotland will be independent in a blink of an eye. Labour ministers just don't learn. This comment smacks of insensitivity and disrespect to Scottish voters and stunning arrogance.
13

cheuchtar,

03/04/2008 14:25:06
Scottish MPs at Westminster have realised just how irrelevant they are to Scotland.Their only purpose is to provide cannon fodder to help Brown stay in power.
14

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 03/04/2008 14:47:44
#8

Yes a "big laddie did it and ran away". Its all westminsters fault lets blame Westminster, well if Slymond wants and independent Scotland then he will have to step up and tack responsability for what he promises but cant achieve, oh wait he wants us to join the EU if we become independent, so there you go he will then blame the EU for not being able to achieve what he wants. The truth is SNP promised a lot and they haven't/wont be able to fulfill the promises they made. Now you can blame who you want. But Alex Slymond has always given that hollier than though impression, the idea that he is above all this but you see him for what he is a typical politician who promises a lot and fails to deliver and blames everyone else for the faults.

#11 He wasnt bounced into the Tramline(which I am against) the SNP didnt appose it for political reasons. Now if you have priniciples (the SNP say they have) then they should have voted against the Trams, but the fact is they didnt on purely politiocal reasons.
15

steve 1511,

aberdeen 03/04/2008 15:24:20
eric joyce mp,what does he know about what goes on in scotland,he lives in SOUTH CROYDON LONDON his wife is a school teacher in south croydon,his kids go to school in south croydon,his family home is in south croydon,his only claim to fame is as a yes man to broon, and for having the largest claim for expenses in the house of commons,as he racks up the air miles as he flies up and down to visit his local constituency , they have no shame these labour mps
16

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 03/04/2008 15:26:24
Yvette Cooper's statement was entirely party political. If Scottish Labour had proposed a different tax system they'd quite simply have been told no by Labour at Westminster. The bottom line is, Labour do not want to take their hands of the reigns in case devolution turns up different policies north and south of the border. From being a party who once stood for the minimum wage, they are now a party who stand for minimum change. If Labour should lose the next Westminster election, the party in Scotland will lose the link to inside information that it currently enjoys. With Labour in opposition at Westminster, as well as in Scotland, devolution will truly come into its own for the first time.
17

Merouane,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 15:32:44
#15. The SNP voted _against_ the tramline at council level and at Parliament level. A majority of MSPs and councillors (Lab/Tory/LibDem) voted in favour, so it goes ahead.

I don't think a lot of the Unionists were even in favour of it themselves, they just did it to take £500m out of the SNP budget to make life difficult for them and thus give people like you ammunition to accuse them of failing to meet all their manifesto pledges.
18

Merouane,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 16:04:22
#19. Aye, I'm sure that was part of it as well. From the very first days following the election Labour have been unable to cope with the reality of the situation.

I really don't think they're stupid enough to seriously try and provoke an election, so I fully expect the sly (an not so sly) undermining (from the Labour group in Holyrood and from the UK government) to continue. I think people are increasingly aware of what they're doing though.
19

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

03/04/2008 17:31:01
#20 Merouane,Edinburgh 03/04/2008 16:04:22

I think Spook has gone AWOL..Plays some sort of game on Thursday nights but im sure like me he would agree 100% with your response.

You are correct, Labour would never call for an early Scottish election because their representation in Parliament would plummet. Brown did the same in England, i call it backtracking of titanic proportions
20

Toast,

03/04/2008 18:31:54
Cooper is simple one of Browns poodles,he is the one who is denying the people of Scotland the right of democracy,strange he is happy to fight wars halfway around the world for "democracy" but perish the though of his own birth nation enjoying it,what a hypocritical fool.
21

Joe,

Livingston 03/04/2008 20:37:55
Jim Devine: Livingston MP..On the 2nd April in Westminster. "To summarise, is it not the case that we have great pride in Scotland? What we do not have is the prejudice of the SNP."
Looks like the SNP looney's in this forum are on their own?
22

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 03/04/2008 23:25:58
#10 - G'wa and behave yersel for ony sake. Scots have dominated the politics of Westminster for mony a year and Scotland has benefitted thanks to this fact. Just because you can't see the woods frae the trees is nae excuse so waken up your ideas a bit for goodness sake?
23

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04/04/2008 02:27:09
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04/04/2008 02:28:02
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mr angry,

ayrshire 04/04/2008 10:42:55
#26 You will either be waiting a long time, unless
Liberated from Life posts a blank page as they
would if being honest

 

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