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Ian Swanson: Labour's Euro warning

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Published Date: 09 June 2009
LAST week's European elections were the last time voters across the country will be asked to go to the polls before Gordon Brown calls a general election.
That could still be 11 months away – and there was nothing in the Euro results announced on Sunday night to make the Prime Minister want to go any earlier.

Labour's drubbing – third place at UK level behind the Tories and UKIP and second to the SN
P in Scotland – may not have been a surprise, but is damaging nonetheless.

So what do the results tell us about the likely outcome of the Westminster election?

If people voted the same way in the general election as they did last week, Labour would have no seats left in Edinburgh.

The European results showed the SNP with the biggest share of the votes in Edinburgh East, Edinburgh North & Leith and even Chancellor Alistair Darling's Edinburgh South West constituency, where Labour was pushed into third place. The Tories were top of the poll in Edinburgh South and the Liberal Democrats were ahead in their Edinburgh West seat.

The SNP also came out top in East Lothian, Midlothian and West Lothian.

The plain fact, however, is that people don't vote the same way at a general election as they do in a European poll. But in a world where opinion polls are analysed for every possible signal of the public mood, real votes in real ballot boxes cannot be ignored.

SNP election mastermind Angus Robertson says the Nationalists' good showing proves Alex Salmond's goal of winning 20 Westminster seats is "achievable".

"It is hugely significant the SNP is now winning across Edinburgh and the Lothians," he continues. "It's impossible to make accurate predictions, but we have a fighting chance of winning constituencies like Edinburgh East, North & Leith, Livingston – and the list goes on."

But the SNP stops short of claiming it could oust Alistair Darling, however delighted it is with the result in Edinburgh South West, where the Nationalists finished 70 votes ahead of the Tories.

"It was brilliant," says SNP candidate Kaukab Stewart. "I almost feel sorry for Alistair Darling."

Tory candidate Jason Rust, who believes he could beat the Chancellor, says he was "very content" with the Tories' "solid performance" and points out UKIP took 917 votes in the constituency, many of which might go to the Tories at the general election.

He says the SNP vote included a lot of traditional Labour voters punishing the party. "This must be a very worrying result for Alistair Darling," he says.

But Andrew Burns, Edinburgh's Labour group leader and agent for Mr Darling, insists the Chancellor will hold on.

"Good as they are for the SNP, even they would accept these figures will not translate into a general election result.

"It's a different contest completely and I don't think either the SNP or the Conservatives can win that seat."

Mr Burns says it was disappointing for Labour to end up third in Edinburgh. But he points out the SNP's share of the vote in the Capital – 21.4 per cent – was actually down on the 1999 European elections, when it took 22.2 per cent. "I'm not taking away any credit from them," he adds. "But it's still really a four-way split in Edinburgh – and with the Greens doing well, you could almost say a five-way split."

In Edinburgh North & Leith, the SNP was delighted to top the poll in the European elections after finishing fifth in the constituency in the last Euro vote.

Candidate Calum Cashley acknowledges the "fantastic" result will not necessarily be repeated at the general election. But he says: "This gives an indication of the direction of travel, which is in our favour."

The Lib Dems are targeting the seat for the general election and their candidate Kevin Lang insists they are "firmly on track" despite the party's third place.

"This is our best performance in a European election ever in North & Leith. If you look back at the last European election in 2004, we came fourth – just a year before finishing a strong second in the general election."

Sitting Labour MP Mark Lazarowicz accepts the Euro elections were "a bad result for Labour everywhere" but says it is not necessarily a guide to what will happen at a general election.

He argues the Lib Dems' poor showing in last year's Forth ward by-election – which covers a large part of the constituency – shows they are not making inroads.

In Nigel Griffiths' Edinburgh South seat, the Tories took the biggest share of the votes, with the Lib Dems second and Labour third. This is the Lib Dems' top target seat for the next election – they came within 405 votes of defeating Mr Griffiths in 2005 – and candidate Fred Mackintosh is hoping most people who voted Green last week will switch to him for the Westminster poll. But the Tories' top slot gives credibility to their claim the seat is a three-way marginal rather than just a Labour-Lib Dem battle.

The SNP's George Kerevan will also be encouraged by the way the votes stacked up in Edinburgh East, where he faces a battle with Labour former councillor Sheila Gilmore to replace outgoing MP Gavin Strang.

Most politicians accept the European results cannot be neatly translated into wins and losses at Westminster. But the figures from last week's poll could still hold valuable lessons and warnings for the parties as they build up for a closely-fought contest next year.



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  • Last Updated: 09 June 2009 9:53 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Ian Swanson , Labour Party
 
1

Linda,

Edinburgh 09/06/2009 09:59:38
Hopefully these results will stop stupid Lib Dem claims that everywhere is a two horse race between them and Labour.

In Edinburgh South the SNP were only 100 odd votes behind Labour last Thursday and came 2nd in the 2007 Regional list vote beating the Lib Dems into 3rd place so even this seat could become a four way marginal.

People keep saying Westminster is different but you can't compare the SNP vote in 2005 with the momentum of two successive elections victories in Scotland plus credibility of running a very successful Scottish government briung to the SNP who also have the most popular leader in Scotland by a long way.

The problem for the SNP will be the lack of equal coverage on the "National" TV channels.



2

Elethiomel,

Edinburgh 09/06/2009 10:41:39
If the SNP think they can win in Edinburgh South they truly are deluded, they came fourth there on Thursday, third by a mile at the 2007 Scottish election and at the last general election only polled 6%!

2005 General election result

Labour Nigel Griffiths 14,188 33.2% -9.0
Liberal Democrat Marilyne MacLaren 13,783 32.3% +4.9
Conservative Gavin Brown 10,291 24.1% +7.5
Scottish National Party Graham Sutherland 2,635 6.2% -3.7
Scottish Green Steve Burgess 1,387 3.2% N/A
Scottish Socialist Morag Robertson 414 1.0% -1.5

To be honest considering that the Lib Dems are only 405 behind I think their challenge is a bit more credible.


3

Vivas,

Edinburgh 09/06/2009 12:02:20
'In Edinburgh North & Leith, the SNP was delighted to top the poll in the European elections after finishing fifth in the constituency in the last Euro vote.

The Lib Dems are targeting the seat for the general election and their candidate Kevin Lang insists they are "firmly on track" despite the party's third place.'
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Excellent result from the constituency I live in. The LibDems have been bleating about this supposed "2 horse race" years. They thought it would just fall into their lap if they bided their time. Well they were wrong about that.

Not necessarily an SNP gain in a future election, but a very good showing is on the cards. And in a potential 4 way split between SLAB, Tories, LibDems and the SNP ... they have a decent chance of taking it.
4

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/06/2009 14:01:28
Where will the UKIP votes go at a General Election? In Scotland, they weren't that significant but down south there is a chance that some of the UKIP 'protest' vote might revert to the Tories. I think that in Scotland, the result of this election suggests that voters might be getting the message that a vote for Labour is a wasted vote.
5

Tynietiger,

09/06/2009 14:20:16
# 2
Politics is all about momentum and the Lib Dems have stalled. The SNP vote in Edinburgh South has increased from 6% in 2005 to 17% in 2009 and if it works hard it could increase further by time of General Election. Disillusioned former Labour supporters (and I am one) are more likely to vote SNP whereas (as a rule) Lib Dems rely on former Tories many of whom will now return to their original party.
6

Doh,

09/06/2009 14:48:38
#1 and #5

The SNP will be last in Edinburgh South.

Would you care to place a bet ?

BTW the last time I tried to bet with an SNP supporter they didnt pay up - he told me the SNP would win the last Scottish election by a 10% margin. They didnt.
And he didnt pay up.
7

Elethiomel,

Edinburgh 09/06/2009 15:44:26
#5 Well in my opinion Labour supporters are pretty dissallusioned at the moment, would you agree?

However despite that the SNP still could not persuade enough of them to switch to even come third in South on Thursday, they were fourth, still behind Labour.

They will come fourth again at the general election in South.
8

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 09/06/2009 16:02:55
What if the SNP share of the vote increases again at the next general election.
Momentum is everything in politics and with tactical voting now common in Scotland the SNP could be the party of choice in many more constituencies by then.
It is now mid term in the Scottish Parliament and that does not seem to have had a visible adverse effect on the SNP.
Our ideas on the health service, education, defence, post office, etc are increasingly divergent from the English model but restrained by our block grant system.
That old chestnut, generating the fear of financial independence is now played out. What are we attached to at the moment - a near bankrupt England ?
9

BIG EYE,

Paisley 09/06/2009 16:15:33
Amid all these poltical reviews following last Thursday can I enquire whether the Scotsman are also reviewing their editorial policy which has been unbelievably hostile to the SNP for sometime.

The pro Labour stance has greatly reduced respect for the publication and surely as Labour slips more rapidly into oblivion is it not just possible that someone has the gumption at the Scotsman to try and ensure it is not dragged down with them ?

Nobody is asking for the newspaper to become SNP overnight all most people seek is some balance instead of bias and some genuine journalism rather than being a mouthpiece for Labour propaganda.

If this could be achieved then i think it would be accompanied by a strong recovery in the paper's future rather than the current decline.
10

Megan H,

09/06/2009 18:30:41
Both Tory and Labour must be worried in Edinburgh South West. The SNP organisation has moved up a gear and is taking votes from both. The Tories have put in a huge effort and still ended up second.
Roll on the Westminster election.
11

Earman,

Paphos 09/06/2009 19:11:28
Fear not. Forget all the extrapolations, opinions, sniping, naysaying and speculation. The simple fact is that Scotland is moving towards Independence, slowly perhaps, but surely. History will show everything falling into place and all players playing their part, albeit sometimes unwittingly.

It is time, people, and no amount of unionist bluff and diversion will have any effect. Steady...steady, and we shall have Scotland back, at last!
12

Idolatry,

Edinburgh 11/06/2009 12:15:03
I had to laugh at what Calum Cashley said: "the result will not necessarily be repeated at the general election". How true. The Nats are close to irrelevant in a Westminster election, where even a 100% landslide in Scotland would give them less than 10% of the House of Commons.

Even being generous to the Nats, taking this swing since 2004 and applying it to the North and Leith constituency, the SNP would still finish fourth. By the way, the Lib Dems would win it.

The truth is, in many places with a Labour MP, people will vote for the party best-placed to get rid of them. Fair do's, it's the Nats in Edinburgh East and Livingston, but it's the Lib Dems in Edinburgh North & Leith and Edinburgh South.

 

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