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Leaders' vitriol raises questions



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Published Date: 10 January 2008
AFTER the Christmas and New Year break, it's back to battle for Scotland's politicians. MSPs are ready to lock horns over the SNP's budget proposals and a host of other issues, as well as resuming last year's rows about Alex Salmond's involvement with the controversial Trump development and the dodgy donation to Wendy Alexander's leadership campaign.
And today they were waiting to assess the latest state of hostilities between Mr Salmond and the Liberal Democrat leader Nicol Stephen, which seemed to reach boiling point before the holidays.

For the three weeks running up to Christmas, the regul
ar Thursday session of First Minister's Questions (FMQs) was notable for the bitterness of the exchanges between the two men, who were once seen as potential coalition partners.

During last year's Scottish Parliament election campaign, Mr Salmond would often go out of his way in television debates to woo his Lib Dem opposite number, offering to include a "more powers" option in the SNP's promised independence referendum. And the two men joined forces against the common enemy of Labour and the Tories on the issue of local income tax.

But there's no love lost between them now, as is plain from their clashes in the chamber. At FMQs on December 6, Mr Salmond used his reply to Mr Stephen to quote a recent SNP-commissioned opinion poll, pointing out: "A mighty four per cent of the population are impressed with the performance of Nicol Stephen as an opposition leader."

But Mr Stephen appeared ready for the attack. He responded: "I have here the last poll that was not paid for by the SNP in Scotland. It shows that, of the views expressed about all the leaders of all the parties, the most common was that Alex Salmond is 'arrogant' and 'patronising'."

The following week, Mr Stephen homed in on the Trump plan for a £1 billion golf resort in Mr Salmond's constituency.

He told MSPs: "Every step of the way, there has been contradiction, concealment and cleverness from his Government on the issue. It smells of sleaze."

Mr Salmond hit back, reminding Mr Stephen of the controversy he faced over the Aberdeen bypass when he was a minister. And the "sleaze" allegation was still rankling with the First Minister a week later at the last FMQs before Christmas. Even though Mr Stephen's question was about another issue altogether, Mr Salmond was determined to take a swipe at the Lib Dems over sleaze, highlighting dodgy donations the party had accepted.

Mr Salmond said: "Given that he has not repeated his allegation of sleaze in government, I remind him of what sleaze is. Sleaze is taking £3.4 million from a jailed donor, using it to finance election campaigns in England and Scotland, and refusing to give the money back. That is what sleaze is."

And for good measure, he quoted at length an editorial from the Aberdeen evening paper, accusing Mr Stephen of gutter politics, mud-slinging and scoring cheap political points over the Trump controversy.

Mr Salmond has also claimed the Lib Dem leader is so out of tune with local opinion that he is "unelectable in the north-east". So why this new level of vitriol? Senior figures on both sides have failed to come up with any old conflict buried in their past to explain the bitterness. One SNP source suggests it stems from Mr Salmond's success in winning Gordon from the Lib Dems to get into Holyrood last May.

"The Lib Dems have not managed to get over the fact that Alex Salmond took a Lib Dem seat," he says. "The Lib Dems did badly in the election when they are not used to doing badly in Scotland. They are not used to losing seats in Scotland and certainly not to the SNP."

The Nationalists deny that Mr Stephen's barbs have needled their man. "That's what First Minister's Questions is about – it's hyperbole, it's theatre."

But they insist the attacks on the First Minister have not played well for Mr Stephen back in the north-east, where they both have their seats.

"A breakdown of the YouGov poll last month showed 49 per cent of voters in the north-east chose Salmond as the leader that impressed them most, while only five per cent chose Stephen.

"If you're weak and indecisive, sometimes you overcompensate to appear tough. It's the John Major syndrome – if people think you're a wimp, you overcompensate and all it does is prove you are."

Lib Dem insiders insist the exchanges simply show Mr Stephen has been able to highlight the First Minister's weaknesses and get under his skin.

One says: "Alex Salmond finds it difficult to cope with criticism. Having spent his entire career up till now in opposition, he is not used to the degree of scrutiny that goes with being in government – and the most effective scrutiny has been coming from the Lib Dems and, in particular, Nicol Stephen."

Mr Stephen – never previously noted for his performances in the chamber – has noticeably upped his game, though aides deny he has received special coaching.

One thing is for sure – any chance of a cosy coalition between these two has gone for good.



The full article contains 870 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 10 January 2008 12:59 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Ian Swanson
 
1

glassbenmhor,

10/01/2008 10:05:55
"One thing is for sure-any chane of a cosy coalition between these two has gone for good.
THANK GOD
2

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10/01/2008 11:26:27
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10/01/2008 11:29:01
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Linda,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 12:47:58
Nicol Stephen was totally out of order by alleging sleaze by Scottish Government and Scottish Office Chief Planner when he absolutely no evidence and after six weeks has not produced a single shred of evidence.

The Head of Scottish Civil Service has since confirmed no improper conduct by officials or government had occurred.

No wonder Alex Salmond went for the jugular and I am surprised that even 4% think Stephen is performing well.
5

Fenon,

10/01/2008 13:12:19
AM2 on a SNP story so quick, i thought he had no preference to any party?

Where is Wendy?
6

Farky,

Wendy HAS BEEN.. 10/01/2008 13:23:22
Hmmm... Anyone know what is going on regarding the investigations into illegal donations for Wendy?

Oh.. Nicol who? Spent force, if ever he was one!
7

Linda,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 14:05:31
AM2

So if staff have acted properly will Nicol Stephen do the decent thing and apologise for his sleazy remarks
8

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 15:33:52
Having watched FMQs today it appears that Nicol Stephen is almost incoherent when asking a question. There is no way that he could have expected any direct answer to his rambling questions.
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10/01/2008 15:47:40
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 16:03:58
#11 Afternoon AM2! I remember you being pretty vexed at the time regarding the last FMQs of 2007 - but...
Parliamentary politics in the UK (and yes I appreciate the irony of a nat saying that..) has always involved "robust" debate, so it's hard to feel sorry for someone who chooses to go into politics and is on the receiving end of it - in this case Nichol Stephen was certainly just as lively in his attacks.
But lets not forget that at the time he was naively playing politics with a huge investment in Scotland. Using the phrase "smells of sleaze" may not be a direct allegation, but its still a unacceptable inference of corruption - with absolutely no evidence to back it up! And you know there was more to the story - lets not get mealy-mouthed here about the exact use of words, Stephen was being naive, petty and disruptive! And for what ends? Not the people of NE Scotland thats for sure!

Now... on a totally different subject, is it me or are these boards virtually deserted since the site was redesigned....?
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 10/01/2008 20:11:41
AM2 You must be the most supine of commentators! Politics is a war and in this war you are an appeaser.This war is whether Scotland can become a responsible nation state or a subservient after- thought to a once Imperial power that still thinks it still is. Nicol Stephen is a no-hoper (6% rating in today's poll). Salmond, as one would expect in a war, will take "no prisoners" and if he fails to fight for his principle of Independence then he will go down in political archives as a loser. You match the latter as a nit-picking statistician that will manipulate any reason to defend your BRITISHNESS. If you want to be associated with Blair, Brown, Hain, Browne, Thatcher and her entourage, Liberal guff then fight your corner. The Stench of Westminster is now WORLDWIDE and if you want to be a party to that infamy, fine. There are a huge number (increasing every day)who have "seen the light" and want nothing to do with a corrupt and discredited Westminster CON. Inexorably the truth "will out" and now that the accepted rulers of Scotland(Labour) have finally been exposed the fiuture is clear. Whatever one's political hue then exercise it in a positive step forward in a Scottish Parliament, devoid of the trappings of wealth, sleaze,brown paper envelopes or inbreeding. Scotland has the knowledge and the resources and the will and the generation to redress the shakles of past allegiance to a Rotten Union.
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 10/01/2008 20:37:45
AM2 You are at it again! To win a war did Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Roosevelt or any other politician play by the rules! Get real! Did the IRA or the British troops in Ireland "play by the protocol"? Did Gordon Brown play by the rules in financing an illegal war? Did Tony Blair play by the rules in lying about WMDs? Does George W Bush play by the rules? He couldn't even spell rules? Your efforts to counter your critics is commendable but don't attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the more discerning readers of your posts. You have failed on so many occasions that I believe you should graciously admit you are a lost cause and go back to gardening or whatever.
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urban poacher,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 21:38:36
Now the Scottish Government action over Trump seems to be trying to keep him onside. Now since there does not seem to be any personal or party gain involved it is not sleaze. They might be using the preferential circumstances of local MSP and FM being married to same woman but trying to keep major projects here is not sleazy. Calling in a planning application is sensible, the planning process seemed a bit tight with a casting vote. (Personally not bothered whether Trump stays). As for FM trashing Nicol, he had it coming, was really quite mild personally I would have gone for him much stronger.

AM2 face it the SNP is going to do everything possible to put Scotland first, clue in name, they are going to pick fights with Westminster on everything down to colour of bus lanes, that's politics. It's about promoting your party ideals and policies. Objectivity in politics isn't always up there in the prime motive. Of course the Labour Party are spinfree paragons of virtue with pure and clean donations and never resort to gutter politics. Mainly because they would have to climb up to get in the gutter.
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 10/01/2008 21:42:04
Sometimes I get angry with incompetence. Rarely do I get furious but yet again you (as is your norm) make me furious. I have given you options and as usual you WILL NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. Do you want to be part of a discredited Union? Do you want to be part of a so-called corrupt Union? Do you want to be associated with liars (devote Christians like yourself)? Do you support evil men like Campbell, Mandelson,Bush, Goldsmith,Blair, Brown, Hain and the ongoing list of people who pretend to make the citizens of this country a priority yet abandon the very people they con for their own private gain? Blair, £500K for a part time job. Hain who conveinently loses £100K. Mandelson who is sacked for fiddling his mortgage then gets a sinecure for megga bucke in Europe. The list goes on and on. You quote "objectivity". where is the "objectivity" in the stated cases? Answer the question, you trumped up vacuous intellectual! You sit in your secure little Utopia wherever but have you ever seen the deprevation in Scotland's poor. This in the fifth richest country in the world! You parsimomious fraud! Your Union stinks,like the ordure you personilise in these posts. Do you condone the thousands of deaths in Iraq perpetrated by a Unionist government? Do you condone the treatment of our troops by the MOD? Do you really accept that the British government can boast to be the "mother of democracy" when 20,000 yes 20,000 pensioners will die because they will die from heat related causes this year? Is this a Union you respect? I have surely touched a raw nerve in your psyche. Tell us! Does it hurt?
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 10/01/2008 21:46:32
Sorry for the blips in my post. This fraud gets me really upset. My arthritic fingers get a bit mixed up on the keyboard. By the way AM2, did you ever do service for your country?
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Sanny,

Glasgow 10/01/2008 21:57:19
AM2: - Get off the soap box. Any thought of repugnance brings us directly to your door. Let's face it there are many instances where it is you that has made repugnant statements in reference to other posters.

Whilst you have said on occasion that you are not aligned with any particular Party, would you agree that you are pathologically opposed to the SNP or are you just pathologically opposed to Scottish Independence? Your answer may help other to properly weight your future comments.
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 22:07:43
#15 AM2 - I know that you don't admire the theatre of politics, but is it not exactly the one area of modern life which should be free to be passionate, angry (as our friend Il Penseroso appears to be demonstrating), stubborn... hell even annoying - let's not try and sanitise politics: Its always false anyway - for exmaple, the "family friendly" hours in Holyrood are pure PC tokenism - everyone works late anyway, its just that substantive business has artificial time limits. I for one don't believe that politics should be run like a business - like the current mediocre career drones in charge in the Labour Party... That bit of theatre may be ugly but blandness just hampers accessibility...
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 10/01/2008 22:10:32
AM2 While I am still on the subject... Where does the corruption stop in your paragon of virtuous unionism. Wendy in doubt. Labour Lord gaoled and charged with assaulting police(Foulkes knows and pissed out of his mind on free drinks)! Setting fire to hotel curtains but still retains the right to a secure index linked pension and payment for attending the Lords in London. Labour MSP disgraced for putting more priorities on eating pies than to his Ministerial briefs and he is re-elected!!! Democracy in full flow! Dare I continue with McLetchie, and LibDem financiars? And you support these Unionists! Poor wee Sciotland! Too poor and too stupid to run it's own affairs! Lied to by Scottish Labour politicians who would lose their sinecures if Independence was assured! Don't do as you want, do as you are told! AM2 The Empire is caput! the Union is on the way out! I know it is hard for a Ulsterman to face the facts but you are history. Make way for inevitable change. Make way for the young and ambitious. The Lords and the Commons are an anachronism you simply will not accept. Holyrood has been the key to a revitalised new generation of Scots and they will not go back to your neolithic Union. You are a dead duck and your quack gets more insignificant by the minute.
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Scozzy,

11/01/2008 05:36:56
The simple fact of the matter is that it takes scrutiny from people such as Nicol Stephen to keep the First Minister honest.

The allegation of sleaze is not (dis)proven at this stage but the calling in of the Trump development by the John Swinney (instead of the Secretary of State) after it had been rejected by the local planning authority is in clear breach of the national planning laws.
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donald,

glasgow 11/01/2008 07:35:05
He should have stuck the heid oan her.

 

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