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Cross-border 'split' on superbugs



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Published Date: 25 June 2008
DES Browne, the Scottish Secretary, intervened yesterday in the scandal over an outbreak of a fatal hospital bug.
He said that "best practice" from NHS hospitals in England – where infections from Clostridium difficile and MRSA have fallen as a result of "deep clean" programmes – may have been ignored north of the Border because of anti-English sentiment.

His
remarks followed the outbreak at the Vale of Leven Hospital in West Dunbartonshire, where nine deaths since December have been directly linked to C diff and nine others had it as a contributory factor.

Mr Browne, appearing before the Scottish affairs committee at Westminster, said: "We need to be very careful we don't get into the situation where we are not doing things just because the English are doing them, and denying ourselves access to the best practice."

He said that, following a "deep clean" programme – which has not been implemented in Scotland – outbreaks of C diff had fallen by 23 per cent.

Figures from the Health Protection Agency show the number of MRSA cases fell by 18 per cent between July and September last year, while C diff cases were down 21 per cent.

It is understood there is concern in Labour circles that the SNP administration in Edinburgh ridiculed last year's demand from Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, for a cross-border NHS "deep clean".

Some experts believe that to be a pointless exercise, saying a hospital can be cleaned from ward to ward one day, only for infections to be spread by new patients the next.





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  • Last Updated: 24 June 2008 10:13 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Hospital superbugs
 
1

Guga II,

Rockall 25/06/2008 05:51:08
Browne, our part time Scottish Secretary, is an idiot. The Scottish Office is an archaic organisation which should be scrapped in this day and age, along with its colonial attitudes.

Browne should be concentrating his efforts on his other part time job, as he is making a hash of that too.
2

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 25/06/2008 09:03:39
As usual there is no joined up thinking and we ignore what is happening elsewhere in the UK?

Long before the English NHS decided to have a massive 'deep clean' of its hospitals, the Welsh Assembly Government has successfully tackled the same problem of hospital acquired infections reducing them to the lowest level possible!
3

IM Archer,

England 25/06/2008 12:54:44
Don't worry, the English aren't doing anything with the NHS in England. It's all being done for them - or to them - by the British, not least imposing foundation hospitals through the votes of members of Westminster from Scotland while their own parliament in Scotland rejected them.
4

TerryH,

England 25/06/2008 12:56:25
"best practice" ... may have been ignored north of the Border because of anti-English sentiment."

Is this for real? Is this how deep the hatred and bigotry runs in Scotland?

Jeez
5

Partan,

Fife 25/06/2008 13:32:31
Don't worry, Terry. It's only indicative of the kind of dung Des Browne is likely to come out with if he thinks there's a possibility of scoring an anti-nationalist point.
6

Wendreda,

England 25/06/2008 13:39:08
I can hardly credit that this man believes the Scots would endanger their own citizens in order not to imitate the English NHS.
7

ENT specialist,

Dumfries 25/06/2008 15:43:00
I have nothing against hospitals being clean, but C.diff. has nothing to do with dirt in air vents; it is a bug that lives in the gut, and is spread from patient to patient on peoples' hands. Since it lives in the gut, I will let you work out for yourselves how it gets on the hands. It also happens to be what is called a spore-forming organism, in other words it forms itself into little capsules that are protected from alcohol hand gels. The only way to get it off your hands is soap and water.
8

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 25/06/2008 17:33:51
Lets clarify roles here. This Des Browne comments on matters reserved to holyrood.

On another thread Salmond is warned by a westminster source not to ask for further powers or discuss westminster reserved matters.

Newliebore.Oldhypocracy.

Draw your MP's salary whilst you can Dessie, come the next election you'll be oot on yir earchie.
9

uno.who,

Livingston 25/06/2008 18:02:42
#4 - It's not real .... it's Des Browne from New Labour ! You just couldn't make it up.

What a stupid thing to say, and an obvious and puerile attempt at point scoring against the Scottish Executive. Browne is a complete idiot.
10

linda mccafferty,

25/06/2008 20:15:14
ENT specialist #7 , it is common knowledge that not everybody washes there hands after being to the loo healthcare profession included . we also have elderly geriatic patients who have to be cared for including there hygiene needs , so obviously the C-Diff spores will be on toilet seats , toilet flush systems , door handles ,sink taps ,etc, etc you name it the spores will be there , so if the hospitals were cleaning properly , the risks would be lower
11

JennyA,

Scotland 29/06/2008 20:01:25
Dear ENT Specialist. I fear for your patients. Those spores are ubiquitous in hospitals. They are VERY resilient and can only be killed by bleach, steam cleaning, ozone and a few other specialist methods. They can survive in this form for months or even years. Apparently, for vulnerable patients, it only takes a few spores to become infected.
It is well known that bed making can 'disturb' spores. I was put post operative into an open ward with patients who had diarrhoea. I was on two powerful broad spectrum antibiotics. I do not know exactly how I got the spores. But I got them!! The ward was carefully cleaned with disinfectant every day but this does not kill these spores. It is true that alcohol gels are useless against C.difficile!!

 

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