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Published Date: 26 November 2008
NEW plans to create a drop-in centre for the homeless in the heart of the city centre are set to get the go-ahead – to the fury of hotel and tour bosses.
The Salvation Army wants to open its "dry centre" in vacant business premises on Niddry Street, off the Royal Mile, after the lease on its existing Bread Street facility ran out.

The centre would be a drop-in centre for homeless people providing
hot meals, showers and clothing. The charity claimed it will be a vital service to the homeless community in Edinburgh.

But businesses and residents on Niddry Street have united against the plans, claiming existing problems with antisocial behaviour on the street from drunks and drug users will only get worse.

Council officials have recommended to the city's planning committee that the drop-in centre be given the go-ahead despite a total of 27 objections from neighbours.

Property agents representing the owners of the SAS Radisson Hotel building, which is opposite the proposed centre, wrote to the council to warn the plans would create "a focal point in the heart of the Royal Mile for considerable 'undesirable' types".

Ian McKain, manager of Auld Reekie Tours, which operates out of offices neighbouring the centre, said the street was already under pressure from antisocial behaviour.

He explained: "Heroin and other drug addicts use the turnpike stairwells for injecting, inhaling and smoking banned substances, resulting in discarded needles, tin foil, litter, urine and excrement.

"It is always a risk that myself and my staff can face physical confrontation by these people."

Earlier this year, the Salvation Army abandoned plans to create the centre in nearby Clerk Street after a planning application attracted strong objections from neighbouring residents and businesses.

Residents around this centre contacted the News in July with concerns that the area had been plagued by people drinking and taking drugs in the street.

A temporary drop-in centre has been operating from the Salvation Army offices at the corner of East Adam Street and the Pleasance in recent months.

A spokeswoman for the charity said: "The Salvation Army has been searching for a suitable site for our vital service to the homeless community in Edinburgh for three years.

"The Niddry Street location is in close proximity to our hostel accommodation at the Pleasance and our move-on flats at East Adam Street. Our aim is to offer an integrated service for people without a home.

"We are responsible service providers with a proven track record of repairing lives. We want to assure the public that we will do everything in our power to ensure people using any of our services respect our premises."

In a report to councillors, officials say the Niddry Street plan should get the go-ahead, saying it would have the potential to reduce problems in the area by "providing them with a place to go".





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  • Last Updated: 26 November 2008 10:15 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Homelessness
 
1

Frankly Mister Shankly,

Edinburgh 26/11/2008 12:18:41
I have first hand experience of the old Bread Street centre as I used to work in that area. Although I 100% see the need for facilities like these, the staff at the Salvation Army were for the most part incapable of controlling their clients. Fighting, drug dealing, drinking, hassling passers by were a regular occurrence and I hate to say it but the people who have to live and work near the proposed centre are right to be concerned.
2

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 26/11/2008 12:23:49
I hope the drop-in centre gets the go-ahead. We need to provide as much help to the homeless people as we possibly can, and the NIMBYs should be ashamed of themselves: heartless numpties.
3

I love to eat Sellotape,

26/11/2008 12:29:17
It's a little unfair that these people should be "dropped". They have enough problems as it is. I think a "walk-in" (or even a "stumble in") centre would be more fitting. But what do I know? I'm just a humble beekeeper.
4

Ecto,

26/11/2008 12:30:53
#2 perhaps we should stick it in Lasswade, make vagrancy a criminal offence and put them all to hard labour, layabouts! Another example of the cooncil ignoring the needs and wants of people who live and work in the area!
5

elayne,

26/11/2008 12:31:50
homeless people need services like the salvation army provides,however the clients of these services need to address their own issues with drink and drugs,it is sad that so many people are homeless and have other issues,but common decency states,one shouldnt shoot up in stairwells/**** in stairs/threaten by passers etc and the salvation army may have to be stricter about who they allow to use the centre
6

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 26/11/2008 12:33:10
#4 - might liven the place up a bit.
7

alex paterson,

edinburgh 26/11/2008 12:35:29
Drop in centers are great,you are well looked after with delicious honey.
8

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 26/11/2008 12:36:46
How can the residents tell that the drunks are indeed homeless? Surely in today's society such anti-social behaviour is committed by people from all walks of life?
9

Dragonlord,

26/11/2008 12:36:49
The drop in centre is a great idea! Just how far will the drop be? 200- 300 feet perhaps?
Why not just have this centre on the tram, and the tourists can be welcomed first hand.
10

I love to eat Sellotape,

26/11/2008 12:45:15
Yes. A tram-in center. There we go.
11

Hexagon Fun,

26/11/2008 12:46:55
Put the homeless in jars and we can laugh at their squashed features and taunt them with cans.
12

Frankly Mister Shankly,

Edinburgh 26/11/2008 12:47:44
2. It looks like it has got the go ahead, which is fine, but as I said the people who run the place need to keep a tighter control of their clients or it'll end up being the same scenario as the Bread Street centre.
13

jwcx,

edinburgh 26/11/2008 12:57:45
This is the city council all over. These facilities should not be sited in the heart of a tourism hot spot. We have a homeless hostel sighted next door to our home- underneath the catle and we have had a myriad of problems caused by this including neighbours homes being broken into, A female neighbour was mugged by a resident of the hostel, fires started, drug taking and paranaphanalia discarded as well as general abuse and threatning behaviour towards anyone who challenged them about the anti social behaviour, the staff of the establishment do a good job, but these premises should be sighted elsewhere. they have to go somewhere but why do they have to be where tourists and residents have to encounter this sort of behaviour on a day to day basis. Tourism is extremely important to Edinburghs economy and we should do everything to promote it for repeat business. What do the homeless offer/contribute to our society?
14

inter alia,

Edinburgh 26/11/2008 13:09:26
I can understand the NIMBY's. I dislike their opportunistic use of 'tourists'. The Salvation Army looks after those rejected by society at large, and in particular rejected by other agencies. As others have writen, there is a need to 'police' the centre. Bread Street was out of control.
15

Destroy the Planet,

26/11/2008 13:11:00
To the 'tourist chiefs' (self appointed non entities no doubt)- this is a living city not your disneyland the residents come first not tourists. (There is a definite requirement for this in the area, if you hadnt noticed the old town is where all the jakies and junkies hang out)so the only people that should have a say are the residents, being one, i agree with it.
16

Bill MacD,

26/11/2008 13:25:27
Yes, it's far far important to create a sanitised disney-esque fake facade of the real city, to extract as many dollars from tourists as possible, rather than to look after our poorest and most vulnerable people decently. Well done Mr McKain and your ilk for speaking up for the really important values we all stand for nowadays.
17

elayne,

26/11/2008 13:28:24
since the olden days the old town has been the place where the people on the margins of society have lived/hung out(the rich all ****ed off to the new town)and this area is where there is the most need for services for the homeless.in teh 60s anton wallich clifford founded the simon community,which was christian based but "tolerant"of peoples faults(eg he bought an old building in london,where drunks/addicts could drink,take drugs etc)this provided basic spartan conditions without any obligation on users part,his clients were folk too far gone to live or return to mainstream society.today there are many more facilities for homeless people to help reintegrate them in to society and help with accomodation etc,sadly the issues of drink and drugs remain very high within homeless community and it effects others who have to live nearby.
18

Bill MacD,

26/11/2008 13:29:33
Oh, and 4-Ecto, in your desperate desire to slag off the Council at every opportunity, you've missed the teensy little detail that the Council officials are actually doing the right thing here, and recommending the facility is approved. It's the selfish grasping gits who make money in the area who want to sweep under the carpet all evidence that doesn't suit their meanminded greed, regardless of the concerns of less fortunate souls than themselves.

Anyone passing Auld Reekie tours please pop your head through the door and gob on their carpet for me, would you?
19

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 26/11/2008 13:44:41
Well in all the years I have lived close to facilities for the homeless I have encoutered more grief from corporate drunks, drunk students, hen and stags, millionaire developers who want to knock down homes, greedy councillors..and so on oh and not fogetting the grief from buy to letters who rent their flats on nightly basis over the internet.
20

I love to eat Sellotape,

26/11/2008 14:03:33
Bicarbonate of soda. Do you think it's worth a try?
21

Decent,

26/11/2008 14:22:54
I thought the Sally Ann played cr@ppy music and sang carols and went round pubs shaking their collecting tins. How do you expect them to look after homeless people too?
22

jwcx,

edinburgh 26/11/2008 14:23:36
To anyone who supports this venue being opened, how would they feel if it was sighted next door to them, I too used to support this kind of facilty until it opened? How would you like to have your quality of life and personal security threatned on a daily basis not everone who lives here is a millionaire who can afford to move out, there is a shortage of affordable housing espcially in the city centre. I do support this kind of project but I do belive that law abiding residents needs and views should be considered, and until you have this kind of venue on your doorstep you will never understand how challenging it can be. And to say that Historically the old town has always been a place for undesirables is no argument at all. We historically used to send kids up chimneys and just because we did it in the past doesnt mean we should do it these days....
23

I love to eat Sellotape,

26/11/2008 14:42:14
The Salvation "Army"? Do they have guns and tanks and stuff?
24

Mallory,

Edinburgh 26/11/2008 14:48:07
Everyone should support the Salvation Army - their work means a lot to many and is a great example of faith-based compassion in action.

The premises are more relevant to today's society than yet another five star luxury hotel.
25

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 26/11/2008 14:51:46
#22 "How would you like to have your quality of life and personal security threatned on a daily basis..."

How would you like to be homeless?
26

Dragonlord,

26/11/2008 14:56:03
24# Great idea put them up in a 5star hotel. Edinburgh is just the soft spot they are looking for.Too many " homeless" are no such thing. Many come from outside the city, to beg and intimidate people.Many who are "homeless" are given houses by the council, and still live on the street. I have worked with these people, and no matter how much help you give, they revert to their old ways time after time.
27

jwcx,

edinburgh 26/11/2008 14:58:37
#52 I have always lived by societies rules and do not have a substance problem but I did find myself homeless a few years ago so I DO SUPPORT These kind of projects, my problem is with the places that these venues are sighted and they way the council ride roughshod over the residents of the city centre! I did help myself to get out of my situtation, I would have been easy to pick up a bottle or a needle and hide but I found the strength and got support to help myself.
28

Mr H 2u,

Embra 26/11/2008 15:36:36
What's the problem exactly? There's already a Sally Ann centre 100 yards along the road, on the corner of the Cowgate and the Pleasance. And there's The Cowgate Centre a wee bit further down Holyrood Road. One more won't make any difference.

And isn't the real issue in this part of town, the drunken louts who fall out of all the pubs along the Grassmarket, leaving their trails of vomit along the street, marking their route home.

Perhaps all these tourism cowboys could chip in for some windowless vans to round up the homeless and ship them off to a farm somewhere, where they could play with all the other homeless people.
29

Teofilio Cubillas,

26/11/2008 15:48:45
I don't avoid the city centre because of the homeless/jakies, who are generally pretty harmless. I avoid it because of the drunken schemies who wander the streets after getting 'pi5hed' looking for bother.

As for the Salvation Army, wonderful people - give them your cash if they come collecting near to you.
30

Jock MacSprog,

26/11/2008 16:22:43
of course its a needed service, but not in the city centre and certainly not in the middle of the prime tourist area of our city. These services should be where these people live and are from. They are not from the City Centre or the Royal Mile area, they simple end up there and congregrate there because they are predators and realise this is the best place to prey upon those who they want money from. Be that robbing, theiving or begging. There is no reason other than class warfare and thumbing your nose at others by the lefties on the council to place the facility there. They are of course too ignorant to realise that the continual destruction of Edinburgh City Centre as a business and tourist destination by them will only make life worse for those in society who are in need of social services. Tourists and Businesses will go elsewhere where its cleaner, safer and more welcoming and take their funds and taxes with them. So who then will support the downtrodden in Edinburgh ? Not the good people of Lasswade Morag.
31

Jock MacSprog,

26/11/2008 16:25:11
25 I wouldnt like to be homeless which is why I dont make bad decisions that would end up with me being homeless. Also how many of them could be living with friends or family or probably already have homes. Homeless is a false term for the majority of these predators
32

tomias,

Edinburgh 26/11/2008 16:45:04
there is the proposal for a new hotel in the Cowgate- it looks just OK for that " drop in/ out" centre.
And why not Folks??
33

JFW,

new town 26/11/2008 16:56:53
#31 - ridiculous comment. These people don't choose to be homeless, most people end up in dire-straits due to circumstances beyond their own control - circumstances that maybe a lot of the rest of us can handle but that's beside the point; not everyone is perfect.
I think this is one of the better sites for this sort of thing in the Old Town - it's not going to affect the Radisson or Auld Reekie tours; the only people that should have a say might be people who actually live beside it, but I can't see this being more of a hassle than dealing with the stags, hens and students, that stumble, puke and defecate around that area as it is. That particular part of the city is a magnet for every anti-social @rse in the city on a weekend night. I pity anyone who lives there but I fail to see how this will make it any worse.
34

Sassenach Observer,

can you spare £2.25 for a skinny latte ? 26/11/2008 22:08:35
I think its shocking that the homeless are being expected to make their own way from their shop doorways in Princes Street to this place. Surely the tram route could be diverted via Niddrie Street ?
Will there be kennels for the dogs ? Is there somewhere they can buy or steal new pieces of rope ? Are there plenty of corner shops selling extra large cans of drink with an unfeasibly high alcohol content ?



35

Jock MacSprog,

27/11/2008 02:33:23
33 JFW no I think this is the ridiculous comment: "most people end up in dire-straits due to circumstances beyond their own control " oh really, so becoming a drunk or a drug addict is a circumstance beyond ones control ? Come join the rest of us in the real world. 90% of the homeless are so due to substance abuse, repeated, voluntary substance abuse. Sorry there are a lot more people in the world with real diseases, handicaps, etc who are more deserving of our sympathy and money.
36

Big Carbon Footprint,

Edinburgh 27/11/2008 09:57:00
If this Tourism head honcho wishes to improve the attraction of the Royal Mile for the tourists maybe they should start by shutting down all those tartan tack shops which sell sub standard items pretending to be 'Made in Scotland'
As someone who has played on several cds that these places blast out to attract tourists I feel embarrassed and do not wish to be associated with this very low quality market.
37

JFW,

new town 27/11/2008 11:41:39
#37 a lack of empathy for your fellow man is one of the tell-tale signs of a pyschopath. I just love people who see everything in black and white - 'but for the grace of God' is a phrase that should spring to mind when looking at a lot of these people (and BTW I'm not naive enough to think all of them deserve our sympathy). Even if you can associate drink and drug abuse with homeless to the extent you suggest (90% of all statistics are made up BTW), you might want to stop and consider that people who turn to drink and drugs to that extent might be suffering from underlying issues like loss of a loved one, loss of a job, abuse, mental health issues, etc, etc, etc. Time to reconsider your assumptions about homeless folk - for a lot of unfortunate folk there is a fine line between keeping your head above water and ending up on the street.

 

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