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Wrong MSPs elected in poll fiasco



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Published Date: 18 May 2008
THE expert appointed to investigate last year's Scottish Parliament election fiasco has said some MSPs may have no right to sit at Holyrood.
Elections watchdog Ron Gould revealed he is "not comfortable" with the view that all 129 MSPs elected last year actually received more votes than their opponents. He blames the farce in which more than 140,000 ballots were spoiled.

Gould's astonishing comments last night threw a cloud of uncertainty over the Scottish Parliament's integrity, and over the SNP's historic victory.

Last May, First Minister Alex Salmond won power on the back of a one seat victory over Labour. One constituency, Cunninghame North, was won with a majority of just 49. It later emerged that 1,015 votes had been spoilt. In other seats the spoiled papers outweighed the winner's majority, suggesting different results could have emerged if they had been counted.

Gould's comments were given to MPs on Westminster's Scottish Affairs Committee, which today publishes a hard-hitting report that says the aftermath of the vote was a "disaster" for Scottish democracy.

However, it insists that as all the parties accepted last May's result, there could be no prospect of reopening the entire ballot.

Gould's comments, made in January, are revealed in the MPs' final report. Their summary declares: "We asked Ron Gould, who conducted an independent review of the elections, whether he was comfortable that everybody who now serves in the Scottish Parliament deserved to be there. He responded: 'Frankly no, I am not comfortable with that.'"

The unprecedented number of spoiled papers was blamed largely on the decision to hold both the Scottish Parliament and Westminster votes on the same day, combined with the decision to put the two Holyrood ballots on the same piece of paper. A new electronic counting system further complicated matters.

Gould last year slammed both the Scotland Office and the then Scottish Executive, claiming voters were "treated as an afterthought" by politicians who organised the vote and put "partisan interests" ahead of the public good.

Allan Wilson, the losing Labour candidate in Cunninghame North, said he believed he had won the vote. "If you look at where the spoiled ballot papers were, it is easy to work out that the majority of them would have been Labour voters."

In Edinburgh East, there were 2,521 spoiled ballot papers. The winning majority, gained by SNP candidate Kenny MacAskill, was only 1,382. In Livingston, the SNP candidate Angela Constance won by 870 seats but there were 1,634 spoiled ballots.

In Linlithgow, Labour candidate Mary Mulligan won by 1,150 votes, but there were 1,722 spoiled papers. In Dunfermline West, Lib Dem Jim Tolson won by 476 votes – far fewer than the 757 spoiled papers.

In the summary, the MPs ascribe blame partly to the Scotland Office. It claims "lengthy delays disrupted election planning and led to weak contingency arrangements". The MPs also criticise the Electoral Commission, saying they did not do enough to anticipate the problems.

However, it concludes that power for future elections should not be handed over to the Scottish Parliament. Labour MP Mohammad Sarwar, committee chairman, added: "This is not the time for a quick fix solution, but a chance to move forward and ensure that the disastrous situation of May 3 is not repeated."

Labour Party figures last night said they did not want to reopen the election result. Livingston MP Jim Devine, a committee member, said: "This was not about a Labour MP huffing away about losing the election. We just have to make sure that this kind of thing doesn't happen again."

A spokesman for the Scotland Office said: "When the Gould report was initially published, we immediately accepted five core recommendations which will have a positive effect on the experience of voters in elections."

The Scotland Office will soon publish its response to Gould. A Scottish Government spokesman said: "The results have been universally accepted and no challenges were mounted beyond those rejected on election night. The report does not cast doubt on the result.

"The only way to address the legislative and managerial fragmentation identified by Gould is to transfer full responsibility to Scotland."

The full article contains 700 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 19 May 2008 10:10 AM
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18/05/2008 00:09:42
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karinxxx,

18/05/2008 00:18:28
alfred whats your game?

You know you will just get moderated.

Wouldnt you rather dicsuss the idea that douglas alexander and westminster and the labour party and liberal democrats are to blame for the fiasco at the scottish elections in 2007.
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ptdoug,

18/05/2008 00:19:40


Alfie-E

ah'l gie ye 150 quid an' no a penny more ya chancer ye.
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ptdoug,

18/05/2008 00:22:15
Leave Alfie alone... he has to make a commission somehow...

Bairns tae feed an' aw that.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 00:23:33
"threw a cloud of uncertainty over the Scottish Parliament's integrity, and over the SNP's historic victory."

I guess we've not had one of these "cloud over", "hammer blow to", "sent reeling" ... type of pieces in reference to the SNP for a few days. I guess this one was overdue from The Northbritishman.

As regards the election ? Yeah it was a feck up. Old news. Cold porridge. It's a year past. I guess your employers still haven't snapped out of their depression from the result. But a year is a long time to be this fed up about something. Time to get some counselling perhaps and move on.
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ptdoug,

18/05/2008 00:25:20
Scotland on Sunday political editor Eddie Barnes will be online from 5pm BST today to answer questions and discuss matters of interest. Add your questions or comments below – now – and visit here later today for the live discussion.

WHIT !!!! I nearly missed that bit.

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Rob - Honest Toun,

18/05/2008 00:25:40
"the decision to hold both the Scottish Parliament and Westminster votes on the same day"

Whit Westminster election wis that then? Are ye shuir ye're no gettin mixed up wi the Scottish Local Government elections?
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ptdoug,

18/05/2008 00:33:05
"Wrong MSPs elected in poll fiasco"

EDDIE... why do your headlines so rarely reflect what is actualy said.

"Wrong MSPs elected in poll fiasco" You are stating that as fact when it is only suggested as a possibility.

If you wish for the Scotsman to be regarded as a serious broadsheet... leave the cheap sensationalist headlines to the Record and Sun.

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ptdoug,

18/05/2008 00:34:32
Oh...and have your articles proof read.
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Jwil,

18/05/2008 00:36:40
Westminster's Scottish Affairs committee .................. insists that as all the parties accepted last May's result, there could be no prospect of reopening the entire ballot.


Phew! There is a god!
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Guga II,

Rockall 18/05/2008 00:38:36
The Scottish elections should be under the direct control of the Scottish parliament and thus the Scottish people. We are perfectly capable of running our own affairs as well as our own elections.

Westminster trying to retain control of the Scottish elections is tantamount to the English government continuing to treat us as a colony. If that situation is allowed to prevail it would be a total insult to the Scottish people.

In any event, it was the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party, in London, who were totally responsible for the fiasco of the last Scottish elections. They have proven themselves incompetent and corrupt in trying to manipulate our elections to suit their party politics.

It is also totally disgusting that any foreign or colonial power should think that they have the right to control our elections. The days of the British Raj have long gone, and will, hopefully, be followed into oblivion by their defunct and archaic union.
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ptdoug,

18/05/2008 00:42:19
Eddie,

With the Scotsmans daily circulation figures down to around 45,000 (When you take away the thousands of free copies you distribute), do you really think it is wise to keep making such a concerted effort to allienate the 35% of the Scottish electorate that support the SNP and Independence with your sustained campaign of anti-SNP spinning.

We don't ask you to support them... just to be fair.

Give it a go... you might be surprised.
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ptdoug,

18/05/2008 00:47:59
GUGA II'

What you bitchin' about...

Dont you know that the French elections are run by the Germans...

The Canadian elections are run by the Americans...

The Irish elections are run by..er...Iceland..

The New Zealand elections are reserved to Australia...

So why in heavens name should anyone complain about our Scottish elections being controlled from England.
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karinxxx,

18/05/2008 00:48:00
and if the headline wasnst a propaganda for the labour party it could just as easily have said.

RIGHT MSPs elected in poll fiasco.............


Like all propaganda that is printed in the scottish press we should look at this and say where is the evidence? There is no evidence to show that the statement

Allan Wilson, the losing Labour candidate in Cunninghame North, said he believed he had won the vote. "If you look at where the spoiled ballot papers were, it is easy to work out that the majority of them would have been Labour voters."


This would be allan wilson who was going to mount a legal challenge and didnt because he knew he would lose.

What about the areas that would have went to the snp or the conservatives or the lib dems?
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karinxxx,

18/05/2008 00:49:02
sorry that should have said

and if the headline wasnst a propaganda for the labour party it could just as easily have said.

RIGHT MSPs elected in poll fiasco.............


Like all propaganda that is printed in the scottish press we should look at this and say where is the evidence? There is no evidence to show that the statement

Allan Wilson, the losing Labour candidate in Cunninghame North, said he believed he had won the vote. "If you look at where the spoiled ballot papers were, it is easy to work out that the majority of them would have been Labour voters."

IS CORRECT AND FACTUAL.


This would be allan wilson who was going to mount a legal challenge and didnt because he knew he would lose.

What about the areas that would have went to the snp or the conservatives or the lib dems?
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karinxxx,

18/05/2008 00:50:36
The truth is that this fiasco has been given a labour spin by the scotsman if this article was truly unbiased it would have mentioned that democracy and not an individual party was the loser here and by far the greatest losers were the voting public.
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karinxxx,

18/05/2008 00:55:11
Mr barnes would you care to explain why your paper has a labour spin attached to every article and why you do not provied fair and unbiased journalism.

also would you like to mention how many of your journalists are members of the labour party how many are members of the snp conservatives lib dems etc?
(without naming names of course)

If you wouldnt like to do this in the interest of transparency and to prove that you are not in fact biased either intentionally or unintentionally would you therefore like to explain WHY NOT?

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Steve,

18/05/2008 00:55:23
THIS PAPER IS A DISGRACE.
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ptdoug,

18/05/2008 01:03:06
The current share price-based valuation of Johnston is around £450m, a THIRD of what it was worth a year ago!!!
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Stefan Mack,

Nairn 18/05/2008 01:09:00
this ron gould is an imbecile. first he made claims the scottish executive were acting in party interest over the may count...then retracted his statements under interview.

now he throws uncertainty over the entire election.

what a complete moron.
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ptdoug,

18/05/2008 01:18:53
The Scotsman Circulation...

2000 100,000 +
2001 79,000
2002 82,270
2003 72,200
2004 69,600
2005 65,392
2006 57,866
2007 55,175
2008 45,000 (with freebies deducted)

The word "freefall" springs to mind.
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 18/05/2008 01:29:08
Well this explains everything!

No wonder Lord George Foulkes got elected!

Hic!
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 18/05/2008 01:32:42
No need to worry dear readers - now that the local govt recruitment advertising is to be withdrawn - I give the Scotsman (aka Pravda We love Gordy & Wendy) and its associated rags about 12 months at most.

Happy Days!
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2Right,

On Location 18/05/2008 01:55:33
Was Kenny MacAskill elected we want to know ?
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urban poacher,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 01:59:11
interesting d alexander in charge and w alexander ruining things now how long before this pair are removed or are labour just putting hierarchies before success
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Allan(handofgod137),

18/05/2008 02:02:34
Wonder how many of the "spoiled" papers were for the BNP.
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 18/05/2008 02:48:54
I agree with the headline. There were 46 MSP's elected in the Scottish election fiasco who do not deserve thier seats. Perhaps our Labour phonies will now show the integrity to resign.

Why not settle the whole thing and call a new election for this fall. We could even bring in some international observers to ensure that all votes as counted.

Bring it on.
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An Beal Bacht,

18/05/2008 02:55:26
I agree with 31 - in spades!

Bring it on.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 03:14:16
I read the Scotsman article "There's no hiding place for the guilty", from the sports page.


No one reading this paper supports the disgraceful behaviour, and it has nothing to do with football.

If the video footage helps catch the people involved, it should be released for that purpose. But's let's not make into a mockery, and something to watch and talk about for entertainment.

Scum are scum. end of story.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 03:15:29
Col

Did you call HQ?
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Navvy,

18/05/2008 03:32:16
Worra load of rubish

The spoilt wotes were an should not be counted. If people can not follow simple instructions, my 90 year old mother managed, then they do not deserve a vote
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 03:36:05
#35

Mr Army Medic

We don't all have your intensive training background.

For me, recounts should be part and parcel of any good vote.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 03:43:06
Saturday Night And Sunday Morning would probably get into the top 10. That was my oversight.

They don't make films like that anymore.


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W Smith,

Middle East 18/05/2008 03:50:34
So Kenny MacAskill only got in on a 'majority' of 1,382 when there was 2,521 spoiled ballot papers then, eh?

Is our Justice Minister demanding a re-count?

This is 'democracy' - Zimbabwe style!

No wonder Salmond can write nice letters to ballot fixing Mugabe.

Its time......



.... for a re-count.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 03:55:12
Top ten best comedy programs


1. Not the nine o'clock news

2. Porridge

3. Men behaving badly

4. Two Ronnies

5. Father Ted

6. Only an excuse (live)

7. The Booze Cruise (classic)

8. Operation good guys

9. Del boy (forgot the name)

10. Celtic mid field (forgot the names)
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 04:18:17
Forgot Dad's Army
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Snuffy Ivy,

18/05/2008 04:50:00
"....comfortable with everyone who is currently serving in the Scottish Parliament..........................?" (and Ron Gould said "NO")
THAT IS AN OPINION ...........NOT A FACT!
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 04:52:44
Snuffy?

One person one vote..

What is that all about.
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Watson,

Irvine 18/05/2008 06:23:27
PTDOUG said:

The Scotsman Circulation...

2000 100,000 +
2001 79,000
2002 82,270
2003 72,200
2004 69,600
2005 65,392
2006 57,866
2007 55,175
2008 45,000 (with freebies deducted)

The word "freefall" springs to mind.

It was also reported in the TV News that Scottish local authorities were not going to place job vacancies in "news" papers. This will result in a loss of revenue both from the fees charged and from job seekers looking at the situations vacant. Will the Scottish Government follow suit?
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 06:29:37
Falling circulation, eh

Talk your way out of that one, Scotsman
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 06:33:56
Watson,

Got most of your post, but what are the "freebies", that you refer to?
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 06:37:38
Some joker (who missed his last bus home) was on here earlier saying that Frankie Howard wasnae funny.

That's as bad as it can get.
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DGR,

Coolangatta 18/05/2008 06:49:39
Me'thinks that Mugabe wants to get in touch with the Scottish Electoral Commission for help with the Zimbabwe election most urgently. Please pass the request on.
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18/05/2008 06:51:27
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,

18/05/2008 06:54:02
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 06:54:05
What is Salmonde doing about the truck drivers.

Tell me that?
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 06:57:21
Scotland needs more guys like the ones who took the bridge before the germans could blow it up and held out where no ordinary human being could have possibly done so.

Salmonde is not one of them, IMO
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 07:34:23
Post #39
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 07:35:05
#49

Yes, and what a master stroke for the SNP to disguise their “shock troops” by dressing them up in union jacks and have them sing anti-Scottish folk ditties as well as disparaging tunes referring to causing harm to those who would support Irish Independence.

Either that, or you should not be let out on your own.
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donald,

glasgow 18/05/2008 07:40:54
Settle it now. Bring it on!
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 07:42:36
#49 #53

We all know the real issue is schools.

Why do some people (with rich parents and know a few guys who know someone else) get to go to the good schools, and no questions asked.
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 18/05/2008 07:46:56
Interesting one sided conclusion that Labour lost seats as a result of the poll chaos.I have often wondered whether the poll chaos robbed the SNP of a more substantual victory.We will never know but the opinion polls at the time of the election suggest that is a logical conclusion.There is also a lot of evidence that there was postal vote fraud in the Govan constituency that reduced the size of Nicola Sturgeon's majority.
I notice that Allan Wilson was provided with yet another opportunity to complain.I don't know what happened in Cunningham North but the really important lesson is that the election chaos in May 2007 should never happen again.I would also remind Allan Wilson that an independent nationalist candidate who was a serving regional MSP got around 4400 votes in Cunningham North.He had been originally elected as an SNP member and had four years to build up a profile in the North Cunningham constituency.If he had not been standing,I think that it is very likely that the majority of the winning SNP candidate would have been considerably larger.If Wilson cannot win when the nationalist vote was split,he has a hard task in the future.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 07:51:18
Where is Col. with his top ten?

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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 18/05/2008 07:51:42
For Eddie Barnes:

Should you actually stumble onto the comments, can you answer just WHY the Scotsman still thinks Scotland should reamin in a bankrupt & corrupt union, where the so-called "merger of equals" means everything of substance is decided in London & we have to rely on crumbs from Westmincester?
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 18/05/2008 07:56:52
I think Salmond should do a Wendy right now. He should declare that this report highlights such a gross failure of the electoral system that he has no alternative than to ask all parties to demand that the election should be re-run now.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 08:00:12
#59

Redy

Take it easy there.

A recount? Who is going to pay for that.


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Richardinho,

18/05/2008 08:01:06
The returning officer's decision is final. It would be absolute chaos to go back now and try and count every single vote that might have not been counted properly.

The lesson is that next time we should get it right.

I'm sceptical about the labour claims that 'they would have won' had it not been for the disorganization of the poll-but let us remember that they must take most of the blame for organizing it. The running of Scottish elections is a reserved matter and the person in charge was labour party stooge Douglas Alexander.

Several of his actions can only be interpreted in terms of trying to secure party advantage in the most cynical way, so there is a rich irony if the labour party lost as a result.
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C U Jimmy,

East Ayrshire 18/05/2008 08:01:12
Typical Labour organization on running the election,in spite of the warnings they got, and the result serves them right, they couldn't run a stall at Paddy's Market.
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Richardinho,

18/05/2008 08:03:03
I'd like to ask Eddie why he didn't ask Malcolm Bruce's opinion on this?

shurely an oversight!
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Cam3,

18/05/2008 08:05:18
However, it concludes that power for future elections should not be handed over to the Scottish Parliament. Labour MP Mohammad Sarwar, committee chairman, added: "This is not the time for a quick fix solution, but a chance to move forward and ensure that the disastrous situation of May 3 is not repeated."

Eh? Am I reading this correctly? I hadn't really anticipated that giving control of the Scottish vote to the Scottish Parliament was regarded as a 'quick fix solution' - what kind of moronic, bizarre and idiotic statement is that?

As long as it is a FIX solution and is run as IT SHOULD BE in this country!

"...but a chance to move forward and ensure that the disastrous situation of May 3 is not repeated..."

Ahhh, back to the Labour hands responsible for the mess in the first place then? Business a usual? Nothing to see here, move along, go back to sleep Scotland....

....good luck in rigging the next election as pro-Labour as possible Mrs Cairns and Alexander.

Can anyone else pick up on this please?

Can anyone else see that LABOUR ARE A NATIONAL DISGRACE AND ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED???

And from Sarwar? ANOTHER bent LABOUR politician!!!
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 08:06:57
#63

Richy

As usual, missing the key points and being Mr Driftwood.

If anything was ever clear cut, it was this.
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big big fun,

in the land of the censors 18/05/2008 08:17:13
why has the scotsman stopped anyone from commenting on the sports section ?
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big big fun,

in the land of the censors 18/05/2008 08:17:33
why has the scotsman stopped anyone from commenting on the sports section ?
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 08:22:25
#66 #67

Let it go, man
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Alan B,

18/05/2008 08:25:01
And still Douglas Alexander was not forced to resign.

The running of elections in scotland must be devolved to the scottish parliament.

Can anyone give any reason why it is best for westminster to run a scottish election?

As we can see from the last one, their is a big problem of accountability when things go wrong.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 08:25:53
Not a high level of research or local knowledge shown in this article, for example "...to hold both the Scottish Parliament and Westminster votes on the same day..."
Was Gould asked to nominate the seats where he felt the wrong MSP had been elected ? There is not necessarily a link between spoiled papers and the election result being correct. The only way would be to rerun the election and that would have need to have been done before many of the seats were declared if it was not going to influence the rerun.
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Alan B,

18/05/2008 08:29:39
#Watson

"It was also reported in the TV News that Scottish local authorities were not going to place job vacancies in "news" papers. This will result in a loss of revenue both from the fees charged and from job seekers looking at the situations vacant. Will the Scottish Government follow suit?"

This is a very important point. It shows the power that the government can have in influencing editorial policy at newspapers.

I have long suspected that labour used this policy to ensure for party advantage.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 08:29:54
Col

Where have you been?

Lot's of admin to deal with..start witht the big stuff...Fawlty Towers

Sir, we might have to send a few Spits to take pictures of the Bismark. Two of chaps can still walk, but their kites are a bit busted up.

And Sir, your sister called again.
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big big fun,

18/05/2008 08:33:13
why has the scotsman stopped anyone from commenting on the rangers sports section ?
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 08:33:54
Col,

Had a laugh at Nothern Lights, but didn't let the enemy know.
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Cludgie,

18/05/2008 08:39:52
Eddie, Eddie, Eddie... Where to start? Never mind the wrong MSPs getting elected, clearly the Scotsman/SoS has employed the wrong staff... And we wonder why circulation is on the downturn. OK, go ahead blame the internet, if that makes you sleep better at night.
It was your unionist friends who organised this "poll fiasco", not the SNP. It was your unionist friends who ran the most negative election campaign in Scottish history and paid the price for that.
"This was not about a Labour MP huffing away about losing the election" says Labour's Jim Devine... sorry Jim the zip in the back of the Scottish electorate's head is up, whilst Labour's popularity and that of SoS is firmly on the decline.
Question for Eddie... at what level does circulation have to reach before you a) start writing some balanced pieces? and b) retire?
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Jimmy the Pie,

18/05/2008 08:42:23
I see the Sunday Hootsmoan has halved its cover price in the Highlands and Islands editions. Even at this price I wouldn't consider buying it until there was some writing worth reading.

Yes Eddie, so that means you'll have to move along!!
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 08:46:34
Rangers...the best team in Scotland.


See you jimmy hats are banned, because of some Celtic fans in Rangers strips.

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Navvy,

18/05/2008 08:50:02
A thick illiterate electorate will always result in spoilt votes.

Many countries have multiple votes on the same paper. The recent Malaysian General election had federal and state votes on the same paper and ther were no such questions on the result of the election from any observer. So the electorate in alaysia a developing country can read and understand instructions better than Scots.

No wondr people voted for Labour for 60 years - just plain thick? Or is there another reason
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pehman,

sussex 18/05/2008 08:53:03
The article could also have said that for the 10-12 months prior to the election the SNP were polling 5-8% ahead of slab.

Therefore the neck and neck of the election result may well have favoured slab, and stopped a majority government.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 08:58:31
Col

I still have your DVD of Last Of The Summer Wine?
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911 was an inside job.,

18/05/2008 09:08:45
Anyone caught voting NuLabour in future should be hunted down and tried as a war criminal!
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happy english,

Londn 18/05/2008 09:12:59
#79 The scum of Scotland, it took a brave English ex-Army Medic to punch a couple of Rangers scum to get that Copper out of being kicked to death. How many Scots were there kicking him one lone Copper, you may think there the best team in Scotland but they certainly are not the bravest. England will not forget.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 09:14:14
War criminal?

Col

Might be some work for us to do today.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 09:17:49
#86

Are you English?

Go away and clean up the mess you have made around the world and pray god is a good man who (might) let you have your own personal booth when you eat your oysters.

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Phil C,

18/05/2008 09:21:23
#49 Sillyoldrules

Your comments re Zanu and the SNP are a bit daft. This story is about the Douglas Alexander efficiency unit causing havoc again! Labour have always assumed victory in their backwater socialist state of Scotland and did so by keeping the people down. They don't understand, and don't like, the fact that people deserted in droves. Those people were fed up of being beaten up by the big sticks of Labour taxes, incompetence and dishonesty.

Methinks, if Labour had enough support left, they would be asking for a Mugabe style vote-off. Gordy, Bendy and Bob have much in common. And BTW that was our unionist lodge doing the good deeds in Manchester!
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Paul Spencer,

Glasgow 18/05/2008 09:21:41
Talk about retreads, old stories and sloppy journalism, this about sums it up, a clear case of cut and paste journalism. Having listened to John McGurks programme of Radio Scotland on Friday about the decline of Scottish Newspapers, I am now having to agree with Andrew Neill, that the way ahead is a merged Hootsman and Herald, both papers are now turning out torpid journalism, the pincer movement of falling circulation and decreasing advertising revenues are reflected in poor quality journalism as papers become no more than tatty versions of Student Newspapers with about the same relvance!!!
83

bring them on,

18/05/2008 09:24:42
They should bring back student papers
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subrosa,

18/05/2008 09:26:43
Why didn't Ron Gould say this during his interviews when he changed his opinion about a few other things?

Could it be another brown envelope arrived recently?

As for the Scotsman's demise it is sad. But it's the population that decide a newspaper's circulation and they just can't accept that. Either produce unbiased reporting and headlines or slip into oblivion.

Scotland does need a fair, balanced national newspaper though. Neither the Scotsman or the Herald meets the requirements at present. I would prefer a national newspaper produced and written by Scottish based journalists and not the English based, 'Scottish edition' ones which have been appearing over the years.
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 18/05/2008 09:27:52
Allan Wilson, the losing Labour candidate in Cunninghame North, said he believed he had won the vote. "If you look at where the spoiled ballot papers were, it is easy to work out that the majority of them would have been Labour voters."

This causes me concern. Is he saying that as these people come from areas of multiple deprivation then they surely must have voted labour? Just shows why Nu-Labour does nothing for the working classes. Keep em poor and keep their vote.
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happy english,

London 18/05/2008 09:29:09
#88 Ha Ha Ha Ha . Typical Scot stoops to Insults, hey big mouth why dont you take a walk down Manchester and shout your mouth of there, but you wont because your a COWARD, go wipe away the dribble that is coming out of the side of your mouth, in Manchester it took gangs of you to beat up one Copper, back home in your all Mouth. GO AWAY YOUR PATHETIC.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 09:31:13
That's why we have the Daily Record.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 18/05/2008 09:35:52
LOSER Allan Wilson, the losing Labour candidate in Cunninghame North, said he believed he had won the vote. "If you look at where the spoiled ballot papers were, it is easy to work out that the majority of them would have been Labour voters."
What a whinger this liebour loser is,a spoiled paper means that the person who spoiled it was trying to vote liebour, clown.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 09:35:54
Sir. the first film was much better. Sir Mc

What about the admin, Sir
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 18/05/2008 09:37:24
The balance of reporting plays only a small part in the decline of newspapers. Today the Internet is supreme, news reaches people as it happens. People like to comment on articles click a link and see the video not to mention the millions of those who blog on a daily basis who provide an alternative viewpoint and un-edited video. Also how many young people do you see in the shops every morning with a newspaper under their arm – very few, more like a bottle of coke and an I-Pod in their lughole. Times are changing and in my view for the best.
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b.allan,

alba 18/05/2008 09:44:42
Eddie are you trying to hint to the few Scotland on Sunday readers left that the spoiled ballot papers would have been labour votes? If so then you're finally waking up to the fact that Labour voters MUST BE stupid.To vote for a party which took us into an illegal war is just plain thick.To vote for a party that wants us to keep subsidising England WHILST WE GET POORER AND POORER under the "leadership" of Mr North Britain? "bring it on" eddie.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 09:50:57
Col

And if you can, call your sister.

No othere urgent business, sir
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 09:53:03
Sir, if I may suggest, we should spread out our tank forces. And perhaps bring out rear guard to the front.
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Anne, Glasgow,

18/05/2008 09:53:12
A friend of mine, a manager in the NHS, had a spoiled paper which would have been rejected. For the record Labour voters, SHE VOTED SNP AND ALWAYS HAS.
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 09:55:43
Col

Under heavy enemy fire now. Hard to get a clear message through.
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Phil C,

18/05/2008 09:57:31
#101 Col

Cast your eyes elsewhere...

Here's a few to be going on with, oh and a couple of others like Blair, Cameron, Prescott, Reid....

Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury and Minister for the Civil Service
The Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP

Chancellor of the Exchequer
The Rt Hon Alistair Darling MP

Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs
The Rt Hon David Miliband MP

Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor
The Rt Hon Jack Straw MP

Secretary of State for the Home Department
The Rt Hon Jacqui Smith MP

Secretary of State for Defence; and, Secretary of State for Scotland
The Rt Hon Des Browne MP

Secretary of State for Health
The Rt Hon Alan Johnson MP

Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
The Rt Hon Hilary Benn MP

Secretary of State for International Development
The Rt Hon Douglas Alexander MP

Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform
The Rt Hon John Hutton MP

Leader of the House of Commons (and Lord Privy Seal); Minister for Women; and Labour Party Chair
The Rt Hon Harriet Harman QC MP

Secretary of State for Work and Pension
The Rt Hon James Purnell MP

Secretary of State for Transport
The Rt Hon Ruth Kelly MP

Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government
The Rt Hon Hazel Blears MP

Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury and Chief Whip
The Rt Hon Geoff Hoon MP

Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families
The Rt Hon Ed Balls MP

Minister for the Cabinet Office; and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
The Rt Hon Ed Miliband MP

Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport
The Rt Hon Andy Burnham MP

Secretary of State for Northern Ireland
The Rt Hon Shaun Woodward MP

Leader of the House of Lords (and Lord President of the Council)
The Rt Hon the Baroness Ashton of Upholland

Chief Secretary to the Treasury
The Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP

Secretary of State for Innovation, Universities and Ski
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 10:04:24
Phil C

Need any back up? Looks pretty heavy where you are.
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Publius,

Girvan 18/05/2008 10:11:57
#72 Alan B

Good morning Alan
I wouldn't read too much into this. A lot of public sector bodies are moving to internet-only advertising of jobs. It is much cheaper than the press and saves a lot of money.
In my previous job as head of a large department in a University I preferred to advertise all clerical/admininistrative jobs and all temporary academic jobs on-line - and I left in 2003. Even then it saved a large amount of money from my budget.
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Phil C,

18/05/2008 10:12:21
Good luck chaps!
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bring them on,

18/05/2008 10:16:38
Thank god the reserves turned up on time, for once.

Cold tea and spam for the Col. lads
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Awake,

North Lanarkshire 18/05/2008 10:24:26
Yes, the vote was rigged alright... in favour of Labour. It would have been an SNP landslide.

Especially Cumbernauld... who the fcuk voted for that dithering numptie Cathy Craigie? And Airdrie? What happened there?

DRS = Neil Kinnock, Director. Where is the source code?
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Publius,

Girvan 18/05/2008 10:26:01
It's time to call time on Rangers' trip to Manchester. I am truly sorry for the Russian fan and the Manchester policeman who were hurt. I hope that the perpetrators are brought to justice. BUT according to the police and the Manchester council the great majority of Rangers fans were not violent. Let's accept this.