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Published Date: 14 November 2007
THE fallout from the Scottish elections fiasco is continuing to cost taxpayers, with the expert brought in to assess the messy aftermath still being paid for advice, it emerged yesterday.
Ron Gould remains under contract with the Electoral Commission. It was revealed that the Canadian election chief's daily rate is 600 (£420) plus up to 100 (£70) expenses.

The Electoral Commission last night could not say how many days he had billed for.

Mr Gould, who has also advised the United Nations and supervised the first democratic elections in South Africa, took five months to produce his report into the controversial Scottish elections.

Had he worked five days a week on his comprehensive report released last month, he would have reaped the equivalent of £40,000 plus expenses over that period.

Mr Gould is expected to appear before a Scottish Parliament committee via a videolink on 5 December.

MPs on the Scottish affairs committee also want to quiz Mr Gould.

Mr Gould asked to be paid in the single European currency rather than the pound. It was this method of payment rather than his conclusions that yesterday triggered controversy.

Ian Davidson, the MP for Glasgow South, said he found it "odd" that he was paid in euros.

During a grilling of the Electoral Commission in a Commons' inquiry over the Scottish local and government elections, Mr Davidson had asked why he had been paid in euros and not pounds.

Sam Younger, chairman of the Electoral Commission, replied: "Because that was his preferred currency."

During the wide-ranging session, Labour MPs also expressed dismay with ministers and officials that candidates and their agents were denied the right to see contentious ballot papers on the night.

Mr Davidson criticised the lack of expertise displayed in administering the elections. "There was so little experience among officials that it is like being lectured about sex by virgins," he said in the Scottish affairs committee session.

Jim Devine, the MP for Livingston, also complained that Labour lost control of one council because of just one vote.

"We were told because of the e-counting system that we could not have a recount," he said.

Mr Younger said he did not believe the e-voting system had disenfranchised anyone.

He also said that the Electoral Commission was seriously considering a "lottery" for the order in which names appear on the ballot paper in future.

It is believed that candidates ranked near the top of the list have an unfair advantage over others. Political opponents cried foul after the SNP inserted "Alex Salmond for First Minister" at the top of the regional list.

MPs also called for manual counting to take place at the next elections after more than 140,000 papers were discarded for the Scottish Parliament elections and tens of thousands more for the council vote.

David Cairns, the minister for the Scotland Office, admitted that there had been many mistakes in the run-up to the elections. But he denied that there was any dubious intent behind the mistakes.

"There is a lot of difference between being accused of taking too long to phase in a procedure and trying to rig an election."

Mr Cairns also agreed that separate ballot papers should have been used and that elections for local government and the Scottish Parliament should take place on different days in future.

The full article contains 567 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 14 November 2007 10:29 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Holyrood Elections
 
1

Guga II,

Rockall 14/11/2007 04:10:42

We should be free to run our own elections, and not have them run for us by the colonial power in Westminster.

Moreover, the bill for this enquiry should be sent directly to Maggie Broon and his pet poodle wee Dougie Alexander, as the election farce was down to them and their attempts at manipulating the Scottish elections.

2

Bad Yin,

Sentenced to 20 years of boredom. 14/11/2007 05:06:11

Why would the guy want paid in the currency of a country that fixes elections? That's like accepting a cash payment from a counterfeiter!

3

Brick V. Tamland II,

14/11/2007 07:36:27

When will journos and politicians understand that the plural of Euro is EURO.

4

Mercutio,

Falkik 14/11/2007 07:50:12

#4 Who Says so, the sheeeps in Brussels?

5

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 14/11/2007 08:01:12

Pay them in US Dollars.

6

Stephen101,

Odd, very odd 14/11/2007 08:08:58

Ian Davidson compares the running of the election with 'sex with virgins'. Yes in the plural. I find this a very 'odd' manner of describing what happened.

What was going through Davidson's head when he said that? Does have other fantasies he would like to tell us about? What does he understand as the difference between sex with a virgin and sex with virginS?

Mr Davidson, I think you owe it to the electorate to explain yourself. We should be told.

7

morris,

Edinburgh 14/11/2007 08:12:14

Why do we need an expert to tell us Douglas Alexander is wee boy doing a mans job?
As Guga said this was probably an attempt at a miscarriage of democratic intention,and thats what resulted.Labours voters were too stupid to be able to understand a simple explained ballot paper. I agree it was a bad design, but the majority understood it ,so you can take your pick on whether they were disenfranchised, or simply too stupid anyway,and some would even claim they have no right to have their vote counted ,when they cannot even understand how to avoid spoiling the paper and excluded themselves!

I support democracy as much as the next man does,but clearly it works best with an informed electorate.I myself encountered one person who thought the SNP Symbol was NEW LABOUR and I am not joking! I would be reluctant to ever say anyone should be excluded from participation,but clearly there are cases which I would sruggle to defend!
We all surely want a result which is unambiguous and without the need for explanation of any kind whatsover.

8

Mallory,

14/11/2007 08:12:18

Was there no-one in Scotland who could have knocked together a report on the voting shambles? It wasn't rocket science to have worked out the pitfalls and problems IN ADVANCE.

9

Toast,

14/11/2007 08:38:16

Younger is obviously an idiot if he believes nobody was disenfranchised,must have been appointed by the king of the idiots,Douglas Alexander [somebody please explain how he is an MP]

10

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 14/11/2007 09:05:05

Why Euros when the pound seems to be thumping all other currencies of the markets?

11

Roy,

14/11/2007 09:33:34

Sounds a lot - until you realise that it's less than 1% of that being spent on security in Afghanistan reported in the adjacent story.

12

JayJay,

Right here 14/11/2007 09:35:26

It would appear that the accepted procedure for all politicians involved in cock-ups is to (a) deny any responsibility even if it is self evident they are to blame (b) doggedly refuse to resign and (c) organise a costly enquiry that will inevitably blame no-one whilst acknowledging lessons have been learned.
You would think that bringing in an expert more suited to sorting out bent elections in some dodgy african dictatorship would be shame enough for our political masters, but oh no. You mix a professional politician with confidence bordering on arrogance and you get wee Duggie. If he had any honour he would quit. But politicans and honour really are mutually exclusive.

13

Mercutio,

Falkik 14/11/2007 10:21:03

The politicians of ALL PARTIES should be horsewhipped for bringing the May elections into disrepute and in doing so embarrassing the people of Scotland.

14

GP,

14/11/2007 10:31:28

This is a small issue far better to have further investigations into bith the Scottish office and Labour parties for their parts in this.
There may well be criminal offences been committed. Mr Gould has criticised but has stepped back from outright damning of those involved.
It will take a real investiagtion to uncover the truth on this. The politicians will circle the wagons no doubt to keep each other safe.

15

GP,

14/11/2007 10:33:12

The SNP may of course be keeping some details back especially about the Alexander "brothers" contribution to this fiasco or maybe an alleged attempted fraud?

16

IC,

Edinburgh 14/11/2007 10:39:15

#14 Spot on.

17

Boy Wonder,

14/11/2007 10:57:22

" ... daily rate is 600 (£420) plus up to 100 (£70) expenses ... "

Oh aye ... and who fixes these kind of rates??

I'm an expert in my field, yet I certainly don't command those kind of rates.

So who's being taken for a ride by whom?

THAT'S MY TAXES YOU GITS!!

Stop that sodding gravy train NOW!
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(and let me get on!) :))

18

Findlay Thompson,

Uig 14/11/2007 13:15:21

#17

Boy Blunder...your worth £1,000.00 a day! + the rest!

I'd even pay cash so you'd appear regularly on this board!

19

GP,

14/11/2007 13:16:28

anyone who calls himself and expert is ;
(a) wrong
(b) kidding himself on
(c) justifying extravagent rates

p.s. I do not call myself an expert but I claim £1200 a day plus expenses.

20

Hadrian,

14/11/2007 13:32:36

Just to show that the inability of Ministers to accept responsibility for their total incompetence to do the jobs they are well paid for is happening all over the world.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,227412...

Does their complaint sound familiar?

21

Reckless,

Fife 14/11/2007 15:25:58

 

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