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Secret talks reveal Westminster's true feelings towards devolution



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Published Date: 07 March 2008
I was shocked but not surprised by the former Lib Dem leader Sir Menzies Campbell's shameless autobiographical admission that in the run-up to last year's Holyrood election he engaged in secret talks with Gordon Brown aimed at preventing the SNP from forming – or even participating in – an administration after the election (your report, 5 March).
This merely serves to confirm the strong suspicion entertained by many observers at the time that Sir Ming himself played a crucial role in the Lib Dems' curious decision not even to enter a dialogue with the SNP on the possibility of forming a coali
tion administration, despite the evidence of widespread agreement on a range of common policies in the manifestos of both parties.

Even more disturbing is the clear evidence afforded by the pre-election Brown-Campbell talks of a concerted effort by Westminster politicians to interfere in the internal affairs of the Scottish Parliament.

It is intellectually dishonest of top Westminster politicians to proclaim their undying commitment to the principles of devolution while simultaneously doing everything in their power behind the scenes to undermine the integrity of the elected Scottish Parliament and its decision-making process.

In reality, it is painfully obvious that Messrs Brown and Campbell devoutly believe Holyrood politicians of all parties are not really up to the job of governing Scotland since they lack the allegedly superior wisdom of Westminster MPs.

It is just a pity that the Scottish Lib Dem leader, Nicol Stephen, likewise lacked the backbone to stand up to his interfering, patrician London boss.

IAN O BAYNE, Clarence Drive, Glasgow

The Scottish Liberal Democrats' position in relation to a coalition with the SNP in the aftermath of the election seemed a little odd at the time; it was unclear just why a referendum, a main promise of the winning party, was a deal-breaker (especially given the Westminster party's perennial enthusiasm for referenda).

Now we know. The Lib Dems were shackled by a veto instigated by Gordon Brown. It seems London Labour controls two parties in Scotland.

We knew the Prime Minister was a control freak, but this is ridiculous.

(DR) PAUL MIDDLETON, High Street, Lampeter, Ceredigion

I doubt very much if the SNP will be infuriated by the disclosure of Sir Menzies Campbell that our Prime Minister was working behind the scenes to prevent the SNP forming a government, without even consulting the Scottish Labour Party leadership. This is exactly the type of conduct we have come to expect from Gordon Brown.

I'm sure the Labour Party leadership in Scotland will be infuriated, but don't expect too many screams of anguish from them as they have grown accustomed toMr Brown treating them this way.

JIM CARSON, Larchfield, Balerno, Midlothian





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  • Last Updated: 06 March 2008 9:09 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Holyrood Elections
 
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ptdoug,

07/03/2008 00:16:08
This is a non-story !!!
2

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07/03/2008 02:47:14
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Martinh,

07/03/2008 08:34:33
Stop bleating, what did you expect Ian O' Bayne? Its just how you would expect politicians to act. They all have a private agenda, and wheeler deal behind the scenes. As for #2, MacAlba, member of the tartan Taliban, I love Scotland and wouldn't choose to live anywhere else, but if the likes of you are ever in charge in an independent Scotland, then I will be seeking political asylum in a more tolerant country, and England might do.
4

Mari M,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 08:52:36
The comments from No2 are very scary indeed and a fair indication of Scottish Nationalist thinking. At least he-she says it openly, the other naionalists go through the motions of tolerance. They are already lining up who will go the wall in their ''free'' Scotland. These people would easily fit in with the thinking of the Nazis or Taleban.
5

Shug the Dug,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 09:05:30
Whilst I share the disgust at the secret mchinations of London politicians attempting to undermine the democratic will of the Scottish voters, as a long time member of the SNP - and an Englishman by birth - I equally deplore the sentiments expressed by No 2. I have many 'ex-Pat' English friends among the party membership and it is wrong to characterise the party as being racist. My sympathy and support derives from political decisions not racist-based ones and I have found my party in general and my local association in particular, a very broad church of responsible thinkers able to make mature, rational decisions on where they see the future of Scotland best served. That is why I am proud to support the SNP.
6

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 09:07:35
3

I expect no better from our politicians as you say but I dont believe they should get away with any wrong doing when they are caught. Or do you think they should have a carte blanc to do and say what they please without consequence because its exactly how you expect them to behave??
7

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 09:08:35
4

One opinion doesnt a movement make.
8

Martinh,

07/03/2008 09:21:41
#5. I'll stay if you are in charge! #6. I don't think that GB and Ming C were doing any 'wrong' but their efforts demean their public persona, and ultimately will be judged on what they do and say, up front and behind the scenes. The recent rise in the National minimum wage for instance is a good thing for Scotland, and the UK.
9

Linda,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 10:41:26
I heard a Lib Dem on television recently saying holding referenda was a core Liberal belief.

Funny how they refused to go into coalition with SNP
on basis that they feared a referendum on independence.

It seems now Ming told them that was the price they had to pay for UK lib dems to go into coaltion with Gordon Brown after next general election.
10

G,

dundy 07/03/2008 12:18:45
What a lot of tosh from Ian O Bayne - it's called politics!!!
Two parties who are in government together have talks about their plans and approach for the coming election - it is secret as are other meetings between political groups..
This managed instant outrage tries to paint the SNP as above all that stuff but they have been happy to have "secret" talks with the tories and the greens following their minority victory in the polls...

As for a referendum, let's have it tomorrow - OH the SNP don't want one - funny that!!!!
11

Senor Pedo,

Lima. 07/03/2008 12:39:24
All this talk about the independence referendum is just bunkum . Every general election affords the Scottish people , if not the English , the opportunity to vote for separation . They steadfastly refuse that option . What I did find strange was that the mature Scottish electorate actually voted to establish yet another layer of self serving politicians . We need less of them , not more and the ones we do elect should be capable to govern . Fat chance !
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Alastair the First,

07/03/2008 12:42:20
Unionists caught with their hands in the till again! No wonder they can but try to divert attention from the real story by squealing loudly.

Brown, Campbell, the whole fecking lot of you - you are scum, vermin, beneath comtempt. Anti-democracy, pro-controlfreakery. As for Nicol Stephen, if he had any sense of decency he would resign forthwith.
13

Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 12:45:59
#4 Mari M

Mari, I fully agree with you that these comments are utterly out of order, however being committed to Scottish Independence myself, I must compeltely oppose your base-less assertion that that is in any way representative of the SNP.

I've been a member of that party for ten years and NEVEr have I come across anti-English comments or feeling. Where I have heard anti-English comments is from the lips of unionists (often West of Scotland football fans!).

Nationalists see independence as a way of improving relationships between Scotland and England, not distancing ourselves. Unionist seem to be stuck in limbo...many will happily sing anti-English songs, yet are happy to rally to the support of the union at the polls...it's odd, it's wring and it makes no sense...

It's very easy for peopel like you to try to sling mud in the direction of the SNP, but please be advise, the SNP is probably the least racisit or prejudice party in Scotland...
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Martinh,

07/03/2008 13:15:08
#12. Anti-democracy control freakery eh? Couldn't be said of the Sacred National Party could it? A fixed rate local income tax would negate local democracy at a stroke, disempowering local authorities to set local tax to suit local needs, leaving it all in the hands of John Swinney? And of course your SNP hasn't been trying to influence the planning procedure in Aviemore has it, oh no?

Black, pot, kettle, and spring to mind. #13.Daibhidh. Alastair the first's (and hopefully the last) hate filled comments are out of order too.
15

Amanda Huginkiss,

07/03/2008 13:47:25
13# Nationalists see independence as a way of improving relationships between Scotland and England.
You must be having a laugh!
Ireland became independent, and immediately lost most of its exports to Britain. It was the people of Britain who individually boycotted Irish goods because of their anti-British stance.
Relations only began to improve when Ireland forfeited her independence to join a larger union that included the UK.
But still, a large proportion of their population are still anti-British or anti-English.
Improving relations?
It will make things worse!
16

Miss H,

07/03/2008 17:12:43
11 Erm Pedro. The SNP was elected to government in Scotland.

Does that mean we can declare independence?
17

Enigma,

07/03/2008 17:53:30
Both gentlemen are vehemently opposed to the creation of a devolved English Parliament. Perhaps I should now launch a tirade of anti-Scots venom such as is frequently trotted out by Scots nats when condeming the English for standing in their way.
18

bill-alba,

Fife 07/03/2008 19:33:04
Amanda yes nationalist do think there will be an improvement in relation to england
I think Ireland would have been expecting you brits to boycot their goods they never got any help from you lot when they were in the union so why would they expect any when they left...Ive no doubt at all that there will be some in England (probably you) who will boycot Scottish goods when we have independence....
Before you come out with your usual nat bashing telling us that we are all anti-english I have just moved back to Scotland from England and at the moment all my friends are english..not that that will make any difference to your unionist ramblings..
19

Enigma,

07/03/2008 19:40:08
18

There is and has been for a long time a substantial minority of Scots who cannot abide the English, the sort who probably already do boycott English goods. It may be true that not all nationalists are anti English but most anglophobes are nationalists and furthermore they give ammunition to those in England of a similar mindset.

 

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