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Opposition to £1 'bed tax' for Hogmanay



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Published Date: 20 March 2008
A NEW row over controversial plans for a bed tax in Edinburgh erupted yesterday as one of Scotland's leading event organisers threw his weight behind the idea.
Pete Irvine, the creator of the city's Hogmanay celebrations and author of a best-selling tourism guide to Scotland, has backed the idea of charging visitors extra to help to pay for major events.

He would like to see any money raised from visitor
s staying in Edinburgh over New Year ringfenced to go into the coffers of the Hogmanay budget. Guests would have around £1 added to their bills under the "visitor levy" scheme.

Earlier this month, it emerged that Edinburgh was ranked as the ninth most expensive in the world for hotels. But the city council and leading figures in the Edinburgh Tourism Action Group (ETAG) support the scheme.

However, there is growing opposition from leading industry figures amid concern about damage to Edinburgh's reputation. Yesterday, the city's main business organisation vowed to fight the introduction.

Members of ETAG will meet next month to discuss whether to press ahead with plans for some form of levy scheme, which will only directly affect hotels.

Research carried out on behalf of the group has found that such a venture, which has been hugely successful in cities like Vancouver, could generate an extra £3.2 million a year for the city.

Giving evidence at Holyrood to a parliamentary inquiry on the tourism industry, Mr Irvine said: "The budget we have for the event (Hogmanay] has been the same for years.

"Hogmanay needs money and we are the only show in town, there are no conferences at the end of December, no business travel. Why shouldn't there be a hotel tax?"

He told MSPs that when the event was first set up Edinburgh was a "ghost town", with only a few hotels booked up and many attractions shut.

Simon Williams, the head of the Edinburgh Principal Hotels Association, is the project "champion" for the scheme within ETAG.

He said: "The industry has yet to come to a view on this idea, but it wouldn't work unless it was a compulsory scheme, and I can only envisage hotels being part of it initially. It's important to stress that this isn't a hotel tax; it's a visitor levy scheme where all money raised would be ringfenced. "

However, Graham Bell, an Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce spokesman, said: "Of course it's an additional tax; if it's compulsory it must be.

"We don't get any sense of appetite for this at all. We believe it could be very damaging for Edinburgh and affect the city's ability to compete internationally if it was to go ahead. We're completely opposed to it and believe the whole idea should be rejected."





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subrosa,

20/03/2008 00:47:19
Tax the pavements. That way you'll get your money for your ridiculous carnival. Absolutely ridiculous this idea. What will they come up with next?

If this was real business this Hogmanay 'celebrity' bash then it should be self financing. If it doesn't pay stop it. Simple. Let the people of Edinburgh have their city back.
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20/03/2008 02:16:24
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calum,

20/03/2008 06:57:28
Another poverty plea from Irvine and his "anything but Unique Events". Usual diet of stale acts - stilt walkers, flying crane suspended mime-artists, drum beaters and flag wavers, all topped off by the compulsory squibs ........trouble is, Pete, all your chums and luvvies, your influential cooncil pals, your conveniently placed co-directors and your "ear on the Board" best pals have retired, moved on or been voted out. For years, your "event" paid no bills for research, permits, supervision and policing. You're yesterday's man.
5

madrab,

edinburgh 20/03/2008 07:42:12
It should be £10 per night all year round.

That way everyone in Edinburgh could benefit from the tourists instead of being burdened with them.
6

Alberto.,

20/03/2008 08:24:46
Surely the first and glaring example of bad business management - venturing into something with thoughts - nay, seemingly, absolutely convinced, it cannot be afforded!

Relying on placing a compulsory tax on such a venture - and it being 'ringfenced', with Politicians, local bureaucrats involved, must be the biggest laugh of all!

I would think the only 'ringfencing' that would apply is right up to the moment they have finished counting it, and if has been a 'good result' - then Whay! Hey! bureaucratic eyes will light up brighter than ever before, and no doubt, plans in waiting will emerge for which such funding has already been 'earmarked!'

Isn’t that the way in 'Politics?'

Of course, if the result is a bad one, no doubt it will all be down to outsiders beyond their control!

Another Political result - if it's a good financial result - then Whay! Hey! - again, in the typical way that politicians see such 'happenings' - then, 'up it will go' for the future, in their greed to boost their coffers!? I now read some politician spouting off about the possible lack of a suitably skilled labour force to even do the construction work - such is the 'foresight' and standard of planning in this venture!

Presumably, with such a possible stumbling block/s , already being foreseen, now must be the time to call it off before the massive financial investment to what may well be a great loss - and a very costly one!

With such massive problems for these 'taxpayer funded' ventures already in sight - and hopefully under full discussion, will those responsible for ‘running the show’ have the courage to stand up and say I / We have made the right decision - in advance, and fully accept the praise or blame according to the out come, and make up any financial loss incurred due to ‘business failure!’

Although Profit / Loss margins cannot be known before the event they should remember the gamble - losses could be sky high and possibly never overcome (and Yes! I know i
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Alberto.,

20/03/2008 08:28:30
#6 Cont'd....


Although Profit / Loss margins cannot be known before the event they should remember the gamble - losses could be sky high and possibly never overcome (and Yes! I know it’s only taxpayer money) but a penny profit = success, not a great one but beats a 'Loss' hands down!

Whilst many business people may make a profit from the venture, one way or another, those organising and funding the event must also do the same - for the taxpayers benefit, in order to call it a real Success!

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iain,

edinburgh 20/03/2008 09:22:37
Pete Irvibe supports the bed tax? Of course he does because it would help pay the fee he charges EDC/
THIS IS A DISGRACE.We need to hear a lot less of him than we do.
9

Alasdair MacWhirter,

Finishing breakfast 20/03/2008 09:39:28
And no doubt it will cost the council £1.50 to collect every £1 levied.

Is Irvine employed directly by the council as their tax raising, drum beating, entertainment spokesperson, or is he just aggrieved that he is no longer making as much money from the council because so many can see through him and his second rate turns?
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iain,

edinburgh 20/03/2008 09:40:27
Can someone explain to me how and why Pete Irvine is allowed to both steer and profit from Council policy on Hogmanay? He is not elected.He is a business man who has made a lot of money out of organising events and 'festivals' for Scottish-usually Labour dominated councils.
Here he is suggesting a TAX from which he will benefit. He wants us to pay for him- his fees and ultimately his art collection his car etc etc.This is a clear sign of how shambolic our public sector has become....EDC cannot even organise a p### up in a brewary-literally- because that is what Hogmanay amounts to.
11

Dav,

Edinburgh 20/03/2008 11:42:37
#10 iain - Good post. Just about says it all really!
12

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/03/2008 22:08:08
I go to Amsterdam because I want to and have to pay a city tax on top of quoted prices for accommodation.

5%

So, if you want add a tax, then do it. It is up to you.

Just do it if you want to and just don't do it if you have any doubts.

Check out the accommodation prices and quality with whom you are competing first.
13

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/03/2008 22:28:55
With regard to 12.

How you going to collect the tax? Are you Labour in disguise?
14

Alberto.,

22/03/2008 09:31:29
This tax would seem to glaringly say 'Poor Management' skills, and a great effort in pricing yourself out of business!

If the Hogmanay looks like a financial loser, and such an event in the winter in Scotland, in a City, (not an ideal Winter Holiday resort for the masses - which I would assume is what is required - for success of 'the venture!) would seem to be screaming out, - Don't do it! - if profit is required! As it seems thoughts of financial loss are already being put forward - need more be said!!!

From the Publicity I have read, during and afterwards of this 'alleged' glorious event - it would seem mainly to be 'a big boozy do' - and probably, to many who seem to participate - that's it, nothing else matters!

Of course, I may be wrong, but when the point arrives where the organisers want / need to 'stick a tax' on, because of financial doubt - nay, saying from the outset it will be a loser financially, it must be time to doubt the organisers ability - or lack of, and for the best - for the taxpayer 'Call it a Day!'

As the “BOOZE” aspect seems to be at the forefront of the event, and probably vitally important to any financial success, the whole picture painted by ‘whoever runs the show’, presumably the Council authorities, surely does not auger well for them and Scotland as a whole, in the current World wide well publicized Scottish problem of its ‘alleged’ fight (far too many of them already!) against the massive Binge / Booze problems of the Country, its inhabitants and visitors - and apparently anyone who simply happens to get in the way!

Must be time for serious thought on the matter, and seemingly,with doubtful financial success apparently in the driving seat - forget the whole thing!

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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 13/05/2008 07:20:10
Am I still dreaming this morning? Is anyone REALLY suggesting that tourists who'd come if their hotel cost £80 a night will rip up their plans and go elsewhere if it was £81?
16

TedH,

East Kilbride 13/05/2008 08:27:25
This is sheer unmitigated greed. Edinburgh businesses should be happy with the fact that events bring lots of additional revenue (i.e. profit) into the city, rather than trying to find underhand methods of wringing more out of the visitors.

 

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